First Iron Fitting - Mid Handicap Player

In this video, we fit irons for Alec. He is a mid handicap player and shooting in the mid to high 80's. He has never been fit before and has enjoyed the process.
In short, he was playing a regular flex club and only carrying it about 175. Trent fit him into a club he liked the look and feel of, and gave him a stiff shaft. Now he is hitting it 195!

[@jasonperez2535]

This is one of the most violently athletic swing I’ve ever seen. No way this is sustainable. My back is sore just watching him 😂😂😂😂

[@peterhammer4644]

I have rarely if ever seen anybody hit a 7-iron that hard 😂😂. Crazy club speed.

[@ImaBearOk]

I thought I was fast at 94 lol. This guy is a blur.

[@slytown]

Agreed with commentors. He needed a lesson more than he needed a fitting, although the regular shafts are not helping. Tons of early extension here and swinging for the rafters. If he dialed it back he would get that smash factor up and probably hit it the same distance. Crazy speed for a 7 iron.

[@chadotis8416]

Damn this dude can hit a golf ball!

[@danramproject5655]

All He needed was to keep his old clubs, but bend the clubs maybe 1 degree upright and done. It seems his current gamers are too flat for him and that’s the reason he is missing right. Nothing wrong with your 7 iron going 175+. That’s actually ideal for gapping.

[@JBJHonez]

The new 7 irons are 2+ degrees stronger loft that most older clubs. That’s why he’s hitting further, for starters anyways

[@MinimalDann]

there is no way on this earth he needs to be using a “game improvement club” maybe one with a little forgiveness yes but he’s already got the horse power and distance. His current gamer was way better than the other clubs interns of dispersion and let’s be fair who needs to hit a 7 iron any further than 177 carry… Surely the fitter should send him away with his current clubs…

[@lconley8722]

I had the same issue when I recently got fitted and I kept telling the guy I don't want game improvement and he kept trying to push them until finally I told him if he shows me another game improvement I'm leaving and he knew I was ready to buy that day.

[@internet123ism2]

this just makes me wish I was younger.

[@ludwigdrummer41]

Currently gaming stealth irons and have them 1 degree upright and I'm able to draw and fade the ball

[@abpob6052]

Sometimes you are more consistent when you swing at 90%. This guy was swinging as hard as possible on every shot.

[@cleveland2022]

Nice swing for a 10 handicap. Great fitting video

[@DB8TEG]

His shots with his own irons had a much tighter grouping. This is why I have yet to go get fitted for clubs. Spend tons of money just to end up with a product that gives you distance but kills your accuracy. He is also SMASHING that 7 iron. If he hits like that on the course, he should be playing scratch golf. If he's still shooting in the 80's with that swing, he needs work on his short game. Yes I am preaching to the choir because I have a similar issue. I

[@edwarddurkin6635]

I wonder if he was swinging harder at the fitting than he normally would. I didn’t see what his current clubs are but with that distance and dispersion he should stick with current irons.

[@keywestkat7132]

I've watched a ton of youtube videos comparing irons. I've never seen dispersion as good as his current irons. Ever. I dream of being that consistent. Anyone know what his current irons are? Not that I'm assuming they would be a magic bullet for me but I'm really curious.

[@duanenichols2703]

The guy doing the monitoring is cool and so informative Where is he located I wonder The young man hitting states he plays in the 80s wonder where in his game he struggles because hes a hitting machine

[@ou812true5]

Hitting off a mat is a lot different than playing golf. At the beginning, his handicap is said to be a 10, but he says says he shoots in the upper eighties...Huh?

[@davehurley26]

Would standard lofts be better like you get with blades ? Maybe titleist T100 irons

[@dream-_weaver4769]

Keep the clubs you have and stiffin your shafts.

[@jordandouvartzidis1745]

Great video.

[@rk-ez6ch]

Im just watching this to study his swing

[@jamestiltman8674]

His own clubs looked fine and he said would stop when hitting the green. Aim left of the target and he’s playing I nice push fade within 20 yard dispersion.

[@bigdogpete43]

When hit 5 balls in a row within 10 feet, at that height and distance, close the laptop and walk away. If anything, this screwed this kid up.

[@lewmano7367]

Did you try him in different shafts? Surely most of those heads are so similar but playing with shaft weight and balance would be the majority of the time?

[@animeidiot8649]

His old clubs are golden for him! There is obviously a reason why he has not gone to a fitter before, there is no need. I do wonder though that if he is that consistent, why the steady slight push? With that level of obvious skill even a slight adjustment to stance or grip should fix such a static error. Additionally why swing the irons like a driver...? I would go a 80% 5 iron over 95% 7 every day all year, should he do that, he would be + handicap. Perhaps he plays different, but then why do that in a fitting? when the goal is to tune in your clubs for course use... Anyhow that is superb athletic swing and he should treasure his clubs that support it!

[@justinstephenson9360]

Not convinced by this fitting. Alec's problem is mostly path and face control, he is swinging a little to the right but with his existing set of irons his face was mostly around 4* open to the path. That is a recipe for the ball going right and spinning up. Unquestionably some of that lack of control would be down to the shaft. For someone who can swing a 7i at 101 mph the last thing he needs is a power bat. I can understand the wish to have more forgiveness but IMO he should play more traditional lofts (maybe something like i210 or Miz 223s), and with his speed he might even be able to play an extra stiff shaft. I would experiment with the weight of shaft to see if that has an effect - not everyone reacts the same way to weight changes. I would be less concerned about peak height and spin - Alec's swing is just so fast that he is bound to get a lot of spin. From Trackman an average tour pro swings the 7i at 90 mph, gets just over 7000 rpm of spin, a launch angle of 16.3* and a peak height of 96 ft. Alec is over 10% faster than the average tour pro! What Alec needs to work on is path and face control, maybe a slightly steeper angle of attack and definitely needs more forward shaft lean to launch the ball lower (stiffer shaft should help).

[@Jameslawrencehaardy]

From slowing it down his biggest issue is that he's getting stuck inside, stops rotating and ends up jumping through his shots to square up the club face. Which is why he's hitting the high right shots because from the impact position it's impossible to get your hands far enough ahead of the ball, but like you said he just needs to focus on getting a little steeper so he has more room to turn through the shot. I imagine with his driver he's almost hitting slices consistently

[@twinprime]

During the fitting the shaft info on Track man was DGX100 which I assume Dynamic Gold X100 which is a 130g X-stiff shaft. This speed is insane my back hurts watching it (I'm a pathetic 85mph with a 6 iron, and I'm already above average for most golfers haha). Also I'm really wondering they gave him all super game improvement irons and not players one like Apex Pro, i59 or i525, 0311P. With this speed he doesn't need any help with stronger lofts.

[@justinstephenson9360]

@@twinprime Great spot on the shaft info - I missed it completely. With Alec's speed he definitely needs an X-Stiff shaft. The i59's you suggested would be an excellent choice for Alec. And it is not just your back that hurts watching that speed!!

[@Jameslawrencehaardy]

@@twinprime Because it's mainly about strike, smash factor for a mid iron is like 1.3-.14 - bearing in mind that smash factor is basically just a ratio of your club head speed to ball speed. He's hitting a 7 iron at 28 degrees loft with a smash factor of low 1.3 consistently with a more traditional lofted 7 iron he'd struggle to get over 1.3 and strike the ball consistently. I played the nike vr pro combo for years and the 7 iron in that set by comparison is 35 degrees, the 6 is 31 and I usually average 135 ball speed on a 6 iron that's less lofted than the 7 Iron here. He's on a weird line between swinging hard and fast but also need that extra forgiveness to be able to consistently strike the ball well, no point buying a set where you just hit the ball different every time. I'd say he'd probably be better off just getting a few lessons before getting a new set of clubs and fixing that issue of getting stuck inside and getting a more consistent strike then he could easily be gaming something like a p770 or t100s instead

[@Hammy1962]

to me, his first shots, with his own clubs were virtually perfect...with guaranteed accuracy like that, why change anything...???

[@PreservationEnthusiast]

Because the club makers and custom fitters need to get people to change clubs every year or two in order to give themselves a comfortable living. You have pinpointed the biggest scam in current sports marketing!

[@fatClyde]

His "fitting" literally made things considerably worse. All Alex needs is a few lessons in control and shot shaping. He seems obsessed with speed above all else. He could be really excellent with some guidance. not new $1000+ clubs. IMO

[@Ezunit1991]

Idk about that. Look at the smash factor. He needed a stiffer shaft. Also, he was use to hitting those. You made a change. That takes time. He will come back hitting farther with less effort.

[@iowamatt2519]

with that swing speed he doesn't need an iron fitting he needs Kyle Berkshire

[@ProfessorMikecarGuy]

Give me some of this kids speed, incredible, 7 iron 200yds?

[@dennismurray00]

It’s a 5 iron with the juiced lofts so distance seems right.

[@fatClyde]

True.

[@moogod]

It’s more like a six but still

[@dazaaw]

100mph so really good for a 10 hc.

[@mugz_1437]

How come the ball is drifting to the right on all his iron shots? The reason am asking because that’s my problem now and I can’t get it straight I don’t hit it as far as him like but ay he is getting some yards for an average person congrats to that👍🏻

[@noRest4Gary]

It's face angle and/or swing path. In my opinion, he hits a natural cut (fade), that's a better way to look at it. Straight balls are the toughest shots to hit. I would also guess he just plays the cut all the time. Im Sung-jae plays a cut on almost every shot and he's world class. I would say try to emulate someone like him or someone with a swing similar to yours. Couples, Nicklaus, KJ Choi, all hit A TON of cuts.

[@midlifebiker7424]

Close the face or move the ball slightly forward will change the path if you are consistant with swing. Small adjustments but being consistant is a very good start..

[@josiahjones9521]

Are these stock shafts? Dude needs the stiffest flex you can get with low spin , low launch. That ball height is ridiculously high.

[@windmillgolfcenter]

he was hitting it so high because he was not impacting the ball with any shaft lean, and his angle of attack was very low.

[@manuelhernandez9448]

Why súper game - improvement He has BETTER than Tour speed stats? He can probably use 770s or i230s

[@michaelsullivan8444]

What’s the on course numbers… opposed to perfect lord pinchin off a mat? Not a fitter but is there any bias results mat vs turf

[@GenXGolf24]

Why are you giving this guy game improvement irons when he has that much speed he dosent need pressed lofts in my opinion now I’m not a fitter

[@l8Os]

Is a 1.44 smash factor good? I hit a 7 iron and 4 iron and 1.44 was my average smash factor.

[@wkndwarrior4733]

How does he shoot in the high 80s, What? 102mph club speed on a 7 iron on his first swings of the year? his strike was consistent enough for a more players style club and speed was certainly there.

[@razzledazzle8631]

How in the heck does he shoot high 80s with that swing and dispersion ..It is hard to believe he is not shooting 70s to low 80s. Something goes out on him somewhere when he plays ..

[@duanenichols2703]

Just needs to go to stiff shafts instead of reg.

[@hbyrdut]

Why a stiff shaft and not an x flex?

[@charlesrohl7635]

🤔 Shooting upper 80's and is a 10 HC ?? Shouldn't that be more 15-16 ?

[@Therionx]

Can a 18 handicap get a iron set fitting ?

[@windmillgolfcenter]

Yes they can! We can find something for you that will improve your game

[@thisjustanother]

sorry but it seems these results were not better then what he was originally gaming... the results were worse in terms of how the balls were dispersed. and the onyl reason they are going longer is the fact the stealth irons are heavily strong lofted with 7iron at 28deg.

[@JonathanGalentine]

If I could hit a 7 like he did with his original clubs, I wouldn't change a thing - other than more putting and chipping lessons!

[@Fishin_Carolina]

He absolutely needed a more stout shaft. He could reshaft his gamers or weaken the lofts on the Stealth. I can guarantee you with a >100 mph swing speed on a 7 iron with a regular flex shaft, his “typical” dispersion does not look like those first 5 balls he hit

[@StuMarston]

Geez

[@ericerickson4560]

Same way I can..with an awful short game

[@BatmanTC]

A 10 handicap who usually shoots in the “high 80s”? How does that compute?

[@charlesrohl7635]

My thoughts exactly. I'm in the mid to upper 80's and I'm a 16 according to ghin.

[@lawbinson]

Maybe he plays at a tough course from the back tees. Or just once in a while shoots real low out of 20 rounds.

[@jflewis1]

That doesn’t compute . He hits the crap out of the ball but 3 putts every other hole😂

[@BatmanTC]

@@jflewis1 needs to work on that damn putting.

[@BatmanTC]

@@jflewis1 10 handicap still implies you’re shooting low 80s, so still doesn’t make sense, he needs to update his handicap then.

[@SEANBERRY56]

How in gods name can a player hit a 7 iron over 200 yards(optimal) and shoot high 80s?

[@michaelmckay]

Watch us putt and chip lol

[@8563robbie]

You stole my comment !

[@rickcudmore8156]

hitting it far does not equate to a lower score. Short game.

[@SEANBERRY56]

@@rickcudmore8156 It does actually. You can look up handicap to distance charts which will show you that the lower the handicap the further the distance on average.

[@josimpson8853]

It's easy to be long. It's a lot harder to be acurate.

[@outtaurmind8554]

swings way too hard . have some tempo

[@blainebrown746]

Dude ur outta ur mind

[@cfnaround1585]

“Mid handicapper” That swing speed? His short game must suck

[@paulstephenson5815]

Sorry but I’d call a mid handicap between 8 to 18 and if you are your not looking at power bats

[@peterbanton9155]

Before changing clubs, flatten yours to limit the fade and see how that works first.

[@PHOBIAx57x]

It’s the opposite, ball to the right for right handed indicates he needs his lie angle more upright.

[@dennisduncan9695]

I went flatter because it lets me go after the ball and the ball doesn't go right.

[@Purdueboiler27108]

12000 spin rate

[@davehurley26]

Blades would be better to take off some distance

[@franklinniesterjr3812]

Before you do anymore with the clubs,....go back to what he is gaming. The problem is in his body setup and direction when taking his stance. Looked a bit open with the left foot turned way out front.

[@scotthucks7966]

Mid handicap my butt!

[@michaelg3911]

He must be the worst putter on the planet if he isn't scoring in the 70's on a regular basis. Or he is wild as it gets with the driver and is constant trouble.

[@morandifrancesco5219]

10 hcp, mid handicap????

[@mikeshumate1840]

Not seeing a need for new clubs here....but i'm not a paid PGA Professional.

[@ludwigdrummer41]

That's the problem with a fitting, you get tired

[@windmillgolfcenter]

Amen

[@alexestes9114]

needs to slow down just a bit

[@SHADOW.GGG-]

bollocks made him worse.

[@nigelhaworth1353]

Alec has been robbed. More distance through stronger lofts but a much worse front back dispersion which is exactly what you don't want.

[@josiahjones9521]

He also got tired and his ball striking went all over. Curious to see if that would be the case with his old clubs.

[@andythoms8130]

Ruined his golf game lol 😆 , nice swing iam not jealous much.

[@andrewportman2575]

Shocking fitting, putting a guy with that much speed in game improvement irons. Should have put him in traditional lofts with a lower spinning shaft to bring his distance and height down somewhat. Terrible

[@paulferrito3657]

Im sorry, but this video makes no sense. He finished with the same shot shape, but a much worse dispersion? Simply putting a line stick on the floor and teaching him to play with his shot shape makes much more sense to me.

[@barriedavies333]

If he’s 10 handicap his short game must be awful.

[@myopenmind527]

5 shots in its clear he can’t putt and has an awful short game. 😂

[@davidtalbot491]

The problem this guy has is he believes that these guy's know what they are doing and fitted iron's will make him a better golfer WRONG.

[@windmillgolfcenter]

He broke 80 for the first time this year...

[@randy1634]

Horrendous fitting, this guy has no clue what he’s talking about All the golfer needed was 1 maybe 1.5 degree upright and a shaft to bring his spin down to about 6800 and a descent angle in the 40s Most benefit would be for the golfer to work on his attack angle, swing path and club face relative to swing path.

[@royclose946]

I play off 7 and im 50 years old and I use taylormade stealth hd irons they are so easy to hit why make golf harder by putting a set of blades in the bag and suffer with your game 🏌🙂👍