First look at Vault Hunters Update 15

[@Kyrox2]

Please do not add skills or talents that say "a small chance". You should state the exact chance. It's fine if you don't know what the value will be right now, but you shouldn't force everyone to guess what those values are.

[@navysaw23]

Yes, otherwise it becomes a wiki hunt to see the exact chances

[@yaboipktendo]

​@@navysaw23 And "forcing" the player to check a wiki is bad game Design

[@walterroche8192]

I agree & disagree. I agree that it should not be vague, but ONLY when the game is using numbers on skills/talents/abilities. Though this works PERFECTLY fine when the descriptions are on the skills/talents/abilities with numbers. (Ie Terraria, others)

[@kamiza6802]

I swore Iskall has discussed this bad design before, interesting he put it in...but hopefully it's just due to testing and not final numbers

[@bondsmatthew]

PoE's "nearby" sends its regards

[@danjal87nl]

I don't know if it does or not - but the blazing talent should burn off one stack at a time for the listed duration. Not just drop off entirely if no kills are made for that duration. Reasoning: If you're in a high adrenaline situation, it doesn't just drop out of your system instantly either. And by making it drop off more slowly you create a more sustainable loop as opposed to jerking up and down between higher speed after killing a POI and possibly falling back if you take too long hitting the next POI

[@jacklin3867]

Two ideas for the stacking abilities: - Stronghold - As you kill more mobs, your defense (either armor, or resistance?) increases. Or, it gives you absorption hearts. - Pillage - As you kill more mobs, your item quantity (or rarity) increases

[@divinatrixdarktide4127]

For the looting talents, add two more with double the % loot bonuses, but only when below 30% or 40% health. Let the player choose risk vs reward

[@andypleiman7103]

Luv u iskall I’ve watched your videos for years now and it sucks to see you get burnt out. I love the videos where you put less effort into so just do what makes you happy❤️

[@l_ukers]

For another stacking idea: could there be one for a decrease in cooldown time? Allowing for the more mobs you kill, the faster your cooldowns reset.

[@JaegerDreadful]

Or the more chests you loot.

[@Run2Seeun]

That would be busted with max CDR. Instead, you could make it grant a small chance to reset active cooldown of an ability.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@Run2Seeun I mean I feel like things being super powerful with lots of skill points and gear investment/reliance isn't a problem, and mana is already there as a limiter to stop CDR from completely breaking the game. If somebody puts in the work to get high mana/regen, high CDR, a talent that lets them reduce their cooldowns further, AND abilities to use those talents on, if that build isn't busted, that's a bad thing for the game. Super powerful builds aren't bad if they take a lot of effort to get

[@spicytexasbean9370]

Another Stacking idea: momentum, where the longer you are running the higher your speed up to a set cap which increases per level, where the speed immediately resets on stopping or upon landing a melee hit, and it applies a damage multiplier on the first hit based on the speed, or an aoe is added to the stopping hit alternatively.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

The problem is that this basically just gives you passive speed again unless it's incredibly underpowered. You'd basically need to set like a 10% cap that takes a while to reach just to make sure it doesn't have the same problem as normal passive speed

[@trey3638]

It's all good, but I feel like he's adding way too many abilities... Especially very niche ones which only a few % of actual serious players will use. He should focus on making it as accessible to new players as possible.

[@thomasfplm]

I would like to suggest an specialisation for dash: It gets charges that can be used in quick succession, but with each of them gives you the equivalent of level 1 dash in movement. Using all charges would cost more mana than a single use of the basic version, and the time to recover all the charges could also be a bit higher than the recharge for the normal dash.

[@n0t_that_guy295]

Think about it with a 600 second cool down which is 10 mins, every 10% cool down reduction is a minutes worth, so for someone who is running a build with about 80% reduction, the cooldown will be 2 minutes

[@premieress2623]

The changes are looking awesome. Appreciate all the hard work you and your team have done to keep making Vault Hunters better and better every update.

[@beelzebob9264]

You could switch the item quantity/rarity around and make the condition to have less than X hearts or less than x% - higher loot at higher risk so to say

[@ChuckLowitzki]

Yes, great idea

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

That has the same problem as the current talents, people would just damage themselves down to x% health after killing all the mobs in a room and just looting. The way the game is currently balanced makes getting low on health difficult unless you're being overwhelmed by mobs and about to die. It wouldn't give a risk/reward dynamic, it would just be boring

[@cheato1163]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 I feel like the only way to make it balanced would be to simply make it a chance on opening chest to increase its loot, make it have a chance to increase a chests tier for example.

[@HorizonsEdge18]

Defiantly throw a piece of redstone or a block of redstone into that iron generator recipe so it makes it more telling of power cause a blast furnace surrounded by chromatic iron just makes me think im making a better blast furnace not a generator And for that skill that makes hunter trigger on a kill of a mob, we didnt see it trigger here so idk if it does or not but it shouldnt ACTUALLY trigger the ability because if I have both the talent and the skill and I go kill something i dont want to wait 600s for its cooldown and if it does actually trigger the ability make it a shorter cooldown. I 100% wouldnt want it to activate it off me killing something than need it after the cooldown is up when i go to hit a god alter for living chests. those are my only things, GREAT WORK iskall.

[@kamiza6802]

valid distinction that can be made more clear. wouldn't be a bad talent to reduce cooldown on kill too.

[@Pago_ol]

U should try making some sort of preview of the ability you select. In order to sort of see how it works before learning it. Lov ur videos man!! Keep up the great work!

[@nathangalba7691]

Would the scrappy purist also include the off hand slot or just armor?

[@superbelo]

I haven't played much VH but idea for the speed masterie. Instead of a constant speed boost, maybe give the player a choice, so a short non-stackable speed boost after looting a chest maybe 5-10 seconds, or a short speed boost after killing a mob. This way speed boost isn't a constant but with good movement, tools and a good room it could feel nearly constant. And in some cases to maintain a speed boost, you have to waste time breaking a chest you maybe don't care for which does help balance it out. So sure they will have a higher loot total, but they will be taking loot they don't necessarily want/need. And the mob based version, isn't necessarily for sprinting around and looting effeciently but more so for kiting mobs/getting away, which is great for squishy builds.

[@erinkarp]

The mob kill based talents are cool!

[@Kieranoughton]

I would love to see a stream where you bring in tango to playtest, he's an ex game developer so he could also have some good ideas to improve the game

[@yeager1957]

No more nested crafting for the processors? THANK GOD!

[@Run2Seeun]

It is still nested and idk why. The advanced processor still requires a basic processor. Even the vanilla recipe of that doesnt require the basic one. You craft directly with diamond

[@durpmcdurpish2197]

Iskal, I love it. Honestly, every time you change something I was attached to (like speed, in this case), I still end up preferring the changes once I get used to them. Despite what some may say, I’m all in for these “big” changes. Keeps each new run fresh! I am amazed at the care that you put into this, so take care of yourself, but mostly thank you!

[@akr4s1a]

I like Purist, when I played The Division 2 running a glass canon build with little survivability but unbelievable DPS output was so challenging and fun

[@GamerGump]

Welcome back from holiday, it seems like every time I check KZbin you have another Vodskall post. I missed that.

[@dextoast]

I think it would be better if you had the speed stacks at maximum of 10 for all levels but the duration and quality of the stacks should increase each level. I think you should be rewarded for specifically choosing Hunter gear thus 8 rooms doesn’t seem bad I also think that we should be able to see the % chance of things to trigger so we can decide whether or not to take a point in a talent or skill

[@melplayzgamez]

Can't wait to stream and play the new update! Love the changes and additions - better balance and absolutely LOVE the new Mastery skills! I'm still new to Vaulting, but it's my absolute fave MOD to Minecraft - I only play this and vanilla. Excellent work to you and your team!

[@OnBean-qe1vf]

Do you know when the new update will come out?

[@MusicWithoutwax]

I still would love it if leveling up was a choice for when the player was ready for it vs automatic

[@FugaceFugite]

Idea to make the Treasure Seeker and Bountiful Harvest talents not boring : instead of being a passive above a health threshold, have them be a stackable effect that procs when you take damage. This encourages having health and losing it (then most likely healing it back) to increase your odds. Because POIs often have mobs, it makes it worthwhile to engage in combat as any damage you receive makes the looting better. It rewards dangerous playstyles where you are constantly trying to lose health on purpose and potentially risking death. I think the effect should last longer than with the other stackable talents however, since these would not be used during combat but instead after, so they should last at least a few seconds even on low levels so you get a chance to use the thing. Unless you want looting during combat to be a thing, there might be some potential there though it'll likely feel frustrating/counterintuitive to players.

[@denalidtx]

So glad about the storage recipe changes! I don't even care that much about the costs, but I hate how complicated the process itself is right now!

[@seanfourie6739]

Ive been waiting for more vauly hunters vids🎉currently trying to catch one of your streams. Love your videos so much❤

[@javiermaines7995]

I love the new talents. I think the idea of transferring speed to killing mobs ( I think maybe make it a tiny bit longer) is awesome

[@linamishima]

holy crap I am finally going to spec into hunter! Thank you!

[@domcii9558]

I love thr changes to the iton generator and refined storage knowledge stuff

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

The purist talent reminds me of the recent ARPG No Rest For the Wicked. Their rarities aren't based around like 'common is worse than rare is worse than epic is worse than legendary,' their rarities are: common is fully customizable, rare is a bit stronger but slightly less customizable, epic always has a super strong positive and also a negative effect (cursed item), and legendary are items that don't just have random stats, they're like the unique items you've mentioned for VH where they're designed by the devs

[@CrimsonBulletz]

for the additonal loot perks, make it the opposite affect. The lower max health you are the higher the loot rewards. Adds a risk/reward to it.

[@Casual_Cannibal]

Speed and blazing look to still be mandetory as speed is kind regardless. But now youll only get max 60% MS some of the time. Theyre still both points to be rushed

[@amberplay]

Having the talents that require above 80% hp changed to be instead a boost at lower hp would make it a better risk Vs reward as you'd have less survival chance but get rewarded for it

[@alexandersproats31]

So excited for U15. These changes are looking awesome!

[@Chaotican362]

An idea for making the 80% more obvious, you could make it so that with that talent, your 80% health is highlighted in some way to show what health you need to be above in order to activate that talent.

[@f8keuser]

What about a talent called 'Lucky Arrows' there would be a % chance killing a mob with a ranged weapon would drop extra loot, depending on how many levels spec into the talent will depend on the loot quality type. What about a talent called 'Time Dilation' gives a small chance to stop the vault timer for a moment when killing mobs. But only works on last hit kill so mob kills from fall damage and status effects doesn't work. 1% chance to stop vault time for 5 seconds 2% chance to stop vault time for 10 seconds 3% chance to stop vault time for 5 seconds 4% chance to stop vault time for 10 seconds.

[@bighamerreis2058]

You could make a talent block of a percentage of your mana, the more levels in it, the more it caps from you and the stronger you get

[@n0t_that_guy295]

I absolutely love vault hunters because the updates are always amazing, compared to something like overwatch which had its most recent update, giga-buffing ever single tank instead of fixing the actual problem which is counter-swaping

[@Zach010ROBLOX]

I'm mostly in favor of the new skills/talents, I particularly like the changes to mysteries.

[@taliatwist8228]

Im lvl 97 and have a javelin sight build, it scans the whole room for hardly any mana and no cooldown. i really like it for scav and elixir runs. its also soo good for target looting in general.

[@halleyaugusto2335]

generating power in VH is always a pain to do, nice addition, giving a free one for us

[@pablokim2]

The hunter changes will cause drama and i can feel iskall knows too haha but i accept it and want to give it a try before i throw random feedback about it being "nerfed", so ty for all the hard work iskall, excited to try this update❤

[@SunflowerMead0w]

Oh wow okay lots of change. I'm neutral to sad about the speed changes (wanna go fast!!!), but really pleased about Prime Amplification! I'm admittedly a little nervous, but trusting the process on the change to Hunter, and while I definitely agree with other commenters and would like to see a specific chance for Hunters Instinct listed, I really like the addition. It also very slightly buffs theme augments bc of slime type mobs and varying numbers of horde mobs (more mobs more chances at the trigger). I am LOVING the changes to masteries! Literally clapped my actual irl hands about it. Incredible change. Never used the masteries before, now I DEFINITELY will try and find points for it. Also very excited about the ice bolt. I used a chilling build for a minute there during my Impossible Arcade run and was YEARNING for a way to chill them from a distance. But HOLY PROCESSOR RECIPE CHANGE BATMAN?!?!?! Best thing in the update.

[@EgoLTR]

I liked having to pick what to focus on with hunter. To me it makes more sense to keep it how it was but just make changing the type to be free and not require a regret flask. But it seems you've put quite a bit of thought into the change, so let's see how it works out

[@junaidmaniar7716]

Can you make hunter have no cooldown outside the vault because if you accidentally cast hunter just before entering a vault, you’d wait 10 minutes to have hunter back again, which I think is a little too much

[@Missmori]

i LIKE the new hunter ability. i struggled so much with the switching every time, and it felt like i was just burning resources.

[@koxy_xix]

I never took hunter, so this change will incentivise me to grab it earlier than lategame, the decrese in speed is a change i like personally, since now speed% boits are a chase item for speed builds even more, i like the stackable skills and the mob masteries. I like the storage mod changes as well, and the iron generator change is very pog.

[@terps_]

Watched the VOD on twitch, and just wanted to suggest if you go down the route of making the Implode it's own separate tier, you could make one of those skills to use up all of your absorption hearts to deal damage, similar to mana with Implode and your suggestion of hearts. It would give just one more purpose for absorption hearts that you were discussing with the heal skill

[@MarkM-qk1gs]

I've been waiting for this vid, missed you iskall

[@electrum5579]

I like what I see here! Hunter change is good, getting AE2 up is going to be a lot quicker, and spending fewer points on speed IV means more points to put into the more interesting stuff, even when it was very fun being fast

[@sep8019]

About grouping yes grouping is smart cause its gonna be insane with all 4 of those skills combine For the one item rarity and quantity ones i mean yea you would wait but its like deciding you wanna waste time healing or you wanna just loot the thing about making them more expensive .. the thing is there is a lot of things you have to spend your points though more items are powerful so idk i havent played vault hunters for a while like since hermitcraft started so maybe others who play more of vh can be more accurate about it ( also i love love love the icebolt )

[@sparkoflife5720]

It may be slightly broken, but you could technically make Discipline give a percentage mana cost reduction on all spells/abilities. Not sure how it would be inplemented, and might be busted, but it's a thing to consider.

[@SenpaiPoru]

An idea for two other talents could be a stacking talent for armor or resistance or maybe thorns? Another idea I thought would be cool would be a stacking one for regen but the duration would be short and the cooldown could start at like 5 minutes or so and lowers just a little with each tick in the talent

[@walterroche8192]

It should be possible to give attack buffs (limited time stacks) to chest treasures rarities. All without attaching it to a weapon/skill/talent. This would have to be coded at the base level and be a 'world' ability & not a 'character' centered ability. Probably changes game objectives too much, though with items having adjustable skills/talents with would be purely optional or gameplay style changing if the player decided to Rush a vault. Balances the Risk VS Reward equation.

[@avian946]

Ooooo prime amplification, that’s good stuff right there. I’m surprised at the loot ones to increase rarity and quantity, these are the sort of things we’ve gotten rid off in previous updates. Purist seems like a good one to take early game and then late game for challenge sets when you are farming legendary gear.

[@finlay460]

Sucks to have hunter changed but only cause it means i have to admit to myself I've been using it as a crutch, especially for scavs. I like the idea of simplifying power generation though, I have so much junk from powah I've gotten out of Mod boxes :/

[@Karatekid36]

i like the change to speed and hunter. personally i find when you have speed 4 you go a little to fast. Speed also ate up a lot of you skill points and with only having a certain amount getting 8 back is great. The change to hunter is nice i feel like the cooldown is a little to long especially if your unlucky and don't get treasure goggles. But, will test out with how much cooldown reduction helps with that. I'm really excited for vault hunters 15 and can't wait to see new builds come from the new skills/talents.

[@CoconutTiim]

Speaking of recipe changes Iskall you might enjoy taking a look at Wold’s Vaults. It’s a Vault Hunters pack with a bunch of extra mods and recipes and items added, could give some good ideas for future things?

[@FletchTheNightKeeper]

For a stacking telent, why not something like a "Blood Dash" where on killing a mob has a chance of stack up a small pile of free dash abilities

[@mitch1982]

I trust your judgement Mr. Iskall. Thanks

[@mistmage]

I instantly want to stuff all the "On kill" in to a box like masteries are in.

[@Run2Seeun]

I wish the hunter ability kept the specializations with shorter cooldowns. No specialization would show every POI and the ornate one for example would only show ornate with a much less cooldown

[@dv_mellow1709]

U could add a chaining talent that stack which gives +1 chaining every stack

[@punkrockpapa84]

Not sure speed after killing a mob is the greatest idea because thats when im looting. Im sure itll be fine, but kinda blah in my opinion

[@Massuus]

5:25 make it so it works only when you are below a percentage of health, like 50% or maybe even 25 or something so players can play more risky and get more loot because of it!

[@FletchTheNightKeeper]

Hunters Instinct, would be better as a cooldown reduction. Otherwise i can see it procing basically when your in the middle of battling mobs and then looting the POI they came from taking up most of the ability time before u actualy get any use out of it.

[@kordellcurl7559]

I feel that the game needs an early game storage because before you get ae 2 or refine storage you basically need a lot of chests.

[@LaughCappp]

Sorry, did you say axe users? I didn't think there was such a thing 😅

[@ImKairyu]

what about a haste that stacks up instead so that we can mine large areas fast, but a bit more control when just trying to remove a few blocks

[@mannydsins]

Suggestions: I highly recommend adding integrated dynamics for handling part on mods. Xnet is good but lacks functionality on handling items.

[@howdoiturnssj3]

that sounds good! haven't played in a while, might try again. At this point, you might just want to get rid of Refined Storage in 4th edition. Just disable channels in AE2 and it's basically the same.

[@cheato1163]

Couldnt you add a sort of mastery system where you get points every 10 levels that you can freely add and remove and they would give you the passive buffs for inside vaults, being unbreaking, speed, haste, reach etc. Basically giving you a passive skill tree and make that the main and possibly only way to get them. Then leave talents for the more interesting build stuff.

[@magicalex2346]

I feel like the passive vs stacking speed still needs some number tweaking. Passive speed at max level costs 8 skill points for a 40% speed boost. Stacking speed at max level costs 8 skill points for an up to 20% speed boost that you have to do something to keep that buff active . I understand you can purchase both, but to me it feels bad that for the same price, stacking speed is both harder to keep up and less of a benefit for doing so. Also is it possible to get more clarity on how these stacks work in terms of decaying? Because how they do (or more specifically how easy they are to keep) affects the balance too

[@bitblit]

The mob killing effects should have their own group and be limited in how many points you can put in total, similarly to Masteries and Javelin Enhancements. That would allow for you to specialize which you pick without the worry of having to take them all for it to be good. It'd be too difficult to balance otherwise.

[@L0RDG3N0M]

stacking stuff should be grouped, as should be the item quantity/rarity ones. Would also be cool if skills also were in some sort of grid overview, instead of the slider thing

[@verify6329]

I'd really like to see bosses again in some shape or form, I really miss the exciting challenge

[@calebeaton8777]

I think instead of increased mana region, it would be cool to see increased ability power if you keep your max mana low. That way it's not just trading mana for mana but sacrificing mana for damage

[@STded51]

I think Purist will make more sense as unique helmet rather then a talent....Poor crown, Jester crown...Just this unique property, no stats....or make it that it would have different dependencies....for example more Quant for empty gear slot, damage for scrappy, rarity for common, healing efficiency for empty red trinket, mana regen for empty blue trinket.

[@ImrazorZodd]

I agree that speed is boring, but I don't agree that blazing is an adequate replacement even though I don't think its bad. The thing is that I dislike the speed in combat for a long time until I get used to the pov change and just that it messes with my positioning, so I suffer through the speed in combat in order to be able to get from fun thing to fun thing faster and cut down on travel time. Blazing keeps the bad part of speed and enhances it, and cuts out most of the good part. To underline my point, this change cuts down on my ability to greed a vault since it is much harder to explore without speed. But I trust the process. :)

[@BaydleOG]

Hi Iskalls I was thinking a new expertise I hope can be added is one that increases the amount of xp you get from crafting vault gear cause rn I feel like it is soooooo slow so you never really get the full effect of it and at most unless if you sink a lot in the most you’ll really get out of it is like 1 or 2 gear pieces to like 20 %

[@sebastianhermani8649]

Is there a possibility of getting a prestige option eventually? Like get a small stat boost like you could choose extra lucky hit chance or something else for example and start from level 1 again?

[@BubbIes_G]

I agree with the speed thing I do like haste but you dont need it when you start to get mining speed

[@plantcraftie4141]

Arcana, Smite and Fireball will be so powerfull!

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

A thing to avoid burnout, especially on Hermitcraft and making videos... just PLAY the game, have some general goals but dont set time frames persay, if a project doesnt get done in "this weeks episode" who cares? Let it take multiple episodes to casually get it done when you feel like it. Go play and have fun with your friends as thats the whole point if a multiplayer server especially one made up of friends. Ive run into this issue with the server i play on with some friends. No one is around or when they are they are doing their own thing so theres no interactions. Basically playing solo while playing with friends which is boring. But i have found that just goofing off and not "progressing my useless builds" or redstone contraptions is far more fun. Idk either way id love to see your videos again, not a huge fan of the "small stream" BTS vods.

[@mistmage]

Item quantity and bountiful harvest should have different starter one for above 80, and one for below.

[@mikachu6493]

what do you think about adding cursed gear that has better stats, but also includes debuffs?

[@MegaSamson13]

It might be interesting if you switch treasure seeker around that you encourage LOW hp and taking a greater risk while looting

[@epicthief]

Sooo pumped for the possibility of a Bedrock version of Vault Hunters, just waiting for big papa Microsoft to give the green light for us to give you our money

[@terror_nightmare9308]

I still think "Assassin Mob" should be called a different name. It does have a certain accuracy as the they are difficult to hit, but i still can think of turtles, spiders and slime as assassins

[@FletchTheNightKeeper]

Speed telent is OP atm, but also balances out bad RNG with objectives like scavenger and monoliths, where u can find the correct chests (becuase they just arent spawning) or just trying to find the monoliths. Also helps balance finding dungeons as the RNG behind then make it like 1 in 6 vualts at least for me, and even then half the time i cant use them becuase im either out of time or the vault objectives make them not useful and just a waste of time

[@mozellebargamin8459]

Will you be adding the full Vods?

[@gme4236]

Armor as a stacking talent?

[@answeris4217]

I think that early game drawers is needed to manage all the inventory stuff. The other mods that you can search your storage inventory are quality of life improvements and should be later game stuff.. Level 20 is really where the tutorial for the game stops and where the game begins...

[@vertopolkaLF]

coming in 3 weeks (6 months)

[@MrFrizzle]

9:14 - worth!

[@nilesh2489]

Finally I will get to become ice wizard and ice warrior build

[@Casual_Cannibal]

Hunter/Hunters instince will be fun

[@nerdjournal]

I still wish there was a bit of a tree component to the skills. Where you have to invest into a specific area to access other advanced combos. BUT. I will accept whatever you feel is right for your game. I'm only here to play it. You are the one making it. Better not let me down. lol JK.

[@aegelotte]

Can my current vault hunters world update to V15 (level 70ish right now), or should I restart?