First Officer on Scene and Patsy's First Contradictory Statements

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[@rebebristol5696]

Came for the crime, stayed for the unintentional ASMR

[@cherbeatTX59]

I rarely finish his videos because his voice puts me to sleep! I tried to watch his last one four times. I still haven't finished!! 🤣

[@Yemers]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hunnypie1873]

One of my favorite voices 😊

[@jennh.6639]

@@hunnypie1873 💜One of my favorite voices too. His content and analysis is always refreshing, interesting to listen to and think about.🔍⚖️

[@tourjoursv]

Same. His voice though! I listen to him almost every night. Wonderful content, paired with a very pleasant voice.

[@juliefabio]

I respectfully disagree about waking the kids up. I always try to get up before getting the kids ready so they are not in the way and distracting me. I wake them as late as possible as I can have them both ready in 15 minutes if necessary.

[@Thatskatermetalgirl]

Respectfully the Same. I got ready first then woke my kids up so i can just focus on them and doing what we needed for them.

[@caramelfrappuccino234]

Yes I get up and ready first.

[@RawOlympia]

As a mom, ditto. I can concentrate on me, then concentrate on them, and it gives them a lil' extra sleep and no one gets in the way of each other

[@oklahomalilly]

I always liked to have some time to wake up fully and prepare myself for the day, before I got my children up for a trip.

[@donnasmith2079]

The Ramseys say Burk slept through everything. He was not awaken till the police checked his room. Wouldn’t any parent wake Burt up ,and ask if had seen his sister or heard anything that night.

[@chitasha116]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@Victor-cr5rr]

Me to

[@viviancaulkins5858]

I can’t imagine someone like Patsy not taking a shower, especially before going on such a big trip. I don’t think that she ever went to bed that night.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

Beth is wrong. Vivian is right.

[@rhondacranford5389]

She had the same clothes on from night before! She had money enough to wear a different sweater

[@annabellem.4014]

It seems very unusual to wear the same outfit she wore all the previous day. Especially before traveling, I like a clean, fresh outfit to wear. Yes, I think she never went to bed.

[@LB-lt3pz]

She never slept. When they got home that evening they gave Burke a bowl of pineapple as a bedtime snack. JB snuck some of Burkes pineapple and he caught her and cracked her in the head with a flashlight. Parents heard the scream and came to see what happened. This is when they decide to cover up what happened, they knew JB was dying. Burke was banished to his room while mom and dad staged a crime scene.

[@workingonmyroar7944]

With kids it’s much easier to get ready if they are sleeping Can’t even go to the bathroom without kids coming in Shower, hair, makeup, much easier with sleeping kids Have to load the car etc Not sure what time the flight was but this is common PJs etc

[@LovingLife-333]

I agree, and waking them up last is what I would do too

[@kaybrown4010]

Sorry, I disagree as a mother and grandmother. On the night before leaving, I prepare everything in great detail. Come morning, the adults are up first and ready themselves before rousing the children. Smoother sailing, guaranteed!

[@kylelooper2156]

You pack the night before, correct? Have you ever imagined getting up the day of and stuffing clothes into a garbage bag to travel by plane? No one does that, and certainly not someone as image-conscious as Patsy Ramsay? Was she going to show up with a garbage bag full of clothes like a homeless person? No. If she expected to travel, she would have packed her suitcase the night before, and she certainly wouldn't have put on makeup over old makeup and put on yesterday's clothing that she wore to a party. Despite having to make an early flight, she didn't set an alarm. Her version of events just explains why she wasn't packed and why she took the back staircase, where she finds the note before awakening Burke and how Burke manages to remain asleep throughout this entire scenario.

[@jennifermccallister2049]

Me too

[@rodneyjohnson7327]

​@kylelooper2156 Patsy never went to bed.

[@carolrobinson1802]

I think I read where there suitcases were already in plane ready to go.

[@dennistrull1475]

​@@kylelooper2156if it's me.. the whole house would be locked. We go out one door. Lock it and hit the road

[@milissae]

No. You let those children sleep. Everything takes 5 times longer with kids.

[@JennieAndrews-l8j]

Not everyone thinks like that. I'd be waking my whole house up. Kids, babies, elderly. Everyone. Then I'd be at my neighbors. The whole time doing all that, I'd be on the phone with the police. Someone could of saw or heard. U know the brother did it. Parents covering up. It'll come out. There are people that aren't going to stop till it's brought to justice

[@SaltyChips-dh3mp]

user-co1gp3zr3p How do you ‘could of saw’? ‘Of’ is NOT a verb.

[@southerngirlraven7]

@@SaltyChips-dh3mp KZbin is not grading comments. Relax.

[@bethflynn4278]

This is the first time I heard Patsy's version of the morning events. This sounds so.very similar to the McCann case where the Mom does not go in to the bedroom until the door slams shut and upon seeing her daughter missing from the bed she immediately knows that she had been taken.

[@harrietlyall1991]

Yes, the parallels with the McCanns are very striking.

[@gilgemash]

@@harrietlyall1991 years, continents, ocean apart 😷🌈

[@OraclesandBeyond]

I love this series. Thanks again. If only we were flies on the wall 24 years ago.

[@andreaturnquist4855]

I'm really enjoying this series. Thank you!

[@argosz8046]

Hi Nick. When traveling, I place my soiled laundry in a garbage bag then put them in my suitcase, so they don't make my clean clothes smelly/soiled. However, if Patsy wanted to hide evidence, what better way to do it - hidden away in pre-packed suitcases!

[@gina.1]

The location of the note screams OVERTHINKING. I wouldn't even put this in one of my scripts unless it was some sort of plot device -- and that's what this is here as well. Thanks, Mr. van der Leek.

[@O-T-7-BTS]

Who would wake up find that their young child has been kidnapped, call the police, then at some point say, hey we've got a plane to catch, if you find out anything give us a call?! There's nothing remotely normal about that. I've decided I'm going to kidnap a child, I break into the home, grab the kid then have to hunt for pen and paper to write a ransom note on. I find pen and paper but I mess the note up so I wad that paper up and toss it in the garbage and start a new note over. I'm doing all this while the parents are in the home. Yeah ok, makes complete sense.

[@MissPerriwinkle]

ur analysis, sir, is the best ive found.....thank u. all 3 of the family were involved somehow with her death......

[@smg42526]

First thing I wondered (as in the Chris Watts case) why not immediately call out for the missing person/persons??!

[@rachelnieman5963]

I'm a mother of four. I always got ready before waking the kids up when they were little. Once the kids were awake, my whole attention had to be on them.

[@adrienne5080]

Me too.x

[@tishbeaver4294]

Me three! I came to leave this same comment. At those ages, I would have packed my kids the night before and literally woken them the last 5 mins before we had to leave. Also, it’s “normal” for some ppl (myself included) to predict what/why/who/how something is where it is or who left it there. My immediate thought would be, “Who would leave me a letter? Must be so-and-so.” What is NOT normal (in my opinion) is a mom not checking all rooms calling/screaming your child’s name. My brain rejects the thought of something horrible having happened, my brain WANTS my child to be somewhere close by, just needing to be found.

[@nomorenarcz]

@@found5189 he doesn't

[@cherylwright9408]

House seems in disarray for someone having house keepers . I understand Christmas can get messy .

[@steph7738]

Noticed that as well. That basement was a mess.

[@bethflynn4278]

I agree. I sometimes wear my clothes 2 days running if on the second day I am not needing to dress differently. I guess traveling on your own plane to go to your own house is much more casual than going on a commercial plane to a resort. Plus no real rush.

[@jacquiet6040]

The words Patsy uses, dare I just forgot what you said, to add to it. Anyway, have to listen again. When Patsy said in her Christmas letter that she was hauling JonBenet around, I didn't like the hauling word. I was a dancer and my parents would say they are driving me to class not hauling. Just thought I would throw this in. I know I may get slammed fir this idea.

[@typeorulz]

Yes, you have a point. Plus, I think Patsy got a ton of validation in her daughter's accomplishments. I do not say that as a criticism--only as an observation. I think Patsy truly loved her daughter and also basked in her achievements. Only the lizard brain would endanger something that brings you that kind of feels. Or an accident, maybe.

[@tyleroreilly8195]

Nah they were hauling that child all over the place. Dance lessons, singing, acting, piano lessons, they even mention rock climbing at one point. You can tell from videos that jonbenet was trained and forced into all this pageant stuff. She doesn’t really come across as a “spark plug” or exhibit a natural stage presence such as a young judy garland. Seems like by the time the murder took place jonbenet was already showing some true rebellion towards patsy for all this nonsense.

[@ginnyg271]

One thing that has always been on my mind about this case. Did they pack suitcases for this trip? I can't remember seeing this in the police video or photos. If your leaving early for a trip with children would you not pack a few things?

[@TCRS]

If your leaving early for a trip with children would you not pack a few things?>>>There were some packed things in John Andrew's room, and also a lot of clothing in bags under the spiral staircase.

[@annettebarlette9471]

John loaded the plane on the 25th.

[@dogmawpalmer5715]

I think they were flying on Johns plane. Maybe why they were so casual preparing to go.

[@gilgemash]

It was a courtesy flight on a corporate jet, gift from Lockheeds, which eventually absorbed access inc

[@jacquiet6040]

Doesn't take 2 1/2 pages for the housekeeper to ask for money.

[@Investigativebean]

I don’t know. I have two kids, and we sometimes do get ourselves ready before the kids. Sometimes one of us will get ready while the other one starts getting the kids situated, and then we will switch off. Then you might leave the kids to sleep as long as possible if they went to bed late the previous evening.

[@TCRS]

How old are they? And would you do this before catching an early morning flight?

[@Sookielein]

@@TCRS Even more so when you got a flight to catch. Especially with children that age. You need to prepare breakfast and get clothes ready and have at least the six year old supervised with brushing teeth etc. But at that age they have their own little minds and when they're sleepy they waste a lot of time or get cranky. It can be a nightmare so as a parent you situate yourself first if pausible. And it's also the little me time you get. Doing your make-up and having a cup of coffee before things get wild you know.

[@nickyblue4866]

Hey nick! I love your content!

[@davonnelson5648]

Tcrs good point. About patsy being awake all night bc she was still in the same clothes

[@davonnelson5648]

@@bethryan9077 I formed my own opinions about who I thinks behind this child's murder.. & trcs's input just further stamped who I believed was guilty... & Mom,Dad & burke aren't definitely not innocent!!!!!

[@sularkins6229]

Brilliant but don’t agree.. often I would let my kids sleep & prepare myself first

[@jacquiet6040]

There's the word. Loading the kids in the car! You load groceries, etc. Words Patsy uses that bother me. Like Hauling JonBenet to the pageants.

[@rebekahcrossman4690]

It’s cultural - a southern thing.

[@steph7738]

Yes, taking a shower after a busy Christmas Day & then having to travel most of the day would be something I would have done.

[@sondrainaz3895]

No no. Parents usually get ready before waking kids

[@venusgal2706]

I am certainly not defending them but when you have a second home, some people even have the same with a permanent travel trailer/campsite, you often have clothing there, another set of make-up, another set of dishes, more hair brushes, toothbrushes, etc. In other words, a total set-up and an entirely furnished home, just like at home. I have done that with the camping thing. If you go often enough, you even have food stocked in the freezer, cupboards, frig. You may want to grab some fresh veggies or milk but you can go at the drop of a hat with basically nothing, there is much for food and drink you can keep stocked that does not expire. Also I think I only realized recently this trip was only supposed to be about three days, if that? Returning on the 29th I believe. Or do I have that wrong? I personally wondered why bother with such a short trip... However, in that day and age, before 9/11 and with your own plane, you are not wasting most of two days in airports and traveling so it probably was worth it... He also could likely fly into a small airport close to their destination, no need for a shuttle, or large metro airport--perhaps get a rental car, etc... I wonder if they had another vehicle there... Since they did the Mackinac Chicago sailing thing, clearly the boats are stored there somewhere and he is from Michigan. As far as the garbage bag, it seems odd with their bent for appearances but again, who is likely to know or see it? It isn't like they had reporters looking for pictures of them in those days and they weren't celebrities. Again, taking off from probably a smallish air strip or airport, maybe even in the 90s they could drive right up to their plane... Just laundry to launder at another home of theirs that probably has a washer and dryer as well. I sure would not stuff dirty laundry into luggage. Guessing she may have grabbed three outfits or so for the kids they had worn in the last busy few days just in case things left there did not fit as kids grow so fast. All of that said though, I don't believe the Ramseys so the account of that morning or day is questionable to me as far as what if anything is truthful. In their case, it could be that Patsy (or both) are being careful not to place herself/themselves in the basement and so no suitcases which is perhaps where they are kept...

[@Sookielein]

If I'm not mistaken John said it was the first time they could get the whole family together. So it would make sense with everything you mentioned to make this trip even if it's just three days.

[@sonclearbrahman-ar1461]

🎯

[@sandraosullivan9861]

I agree 100 percent regarding wearing same clothes the following day. I wasn’t aware of that. Very interesting. And as far as getting myself ready before my kids on an average day, always get kids up at least after a quick coffee, short of that, you need every minute you can get when organising your day with kids involved

[@ziggypop8106]

Excellent point on shower not that important, make up very important for Patsy, all about appearances, 'What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve for'

[@nikigoutis5926]

I'm curious Nick, if you will spend an episode discussing the 911 call. It's quite important, at the end Patsy thought she had hung up but she had not and what you hear her say is pretty incriminating.

[@OraclesandBeyond]

I totally agree

[@OraclesandBeyond]

That 911 call is very in this case

[@TCRS]

The call is important. I'm narrating The Craven Silence right now on patreon and there's a 10-page chapter on the call, which is why it feels like a lot for me to go over here as well.

[@nikigoutis5926]

@@TCRS I see great then I'll go on patreon :)

[@paulaprettypaula4213]

Patsy says what did u do ?go back to bed

[@TaylorGirl777]

Somebody in that house killed that little girl iv always thought it was burke! And the parents well patsy covered it up & staged the scene.. I don't think John killed his daughter, however like nobody came into the house there was no fresh footprints in the snow! Burke always seemed very jealous of Jonbenet 🥺

[@TaylorGirl777]

@@bethryan9077 ok, but didn’t he not hit her with a golf club or something before that night come on everybody has there own opinions on this case Burke was an only child before Jonbenet came along and her mother was basically living tru her with those beauty pageants her father adored her, Then we have the ransom note? Who says there going to kill your child if you don’t pay them money and DONT call the police yet the child is found dead in their own house? Did the killer forget the child? It makes no sense to me.. it had to be someone in that house that’s just my opinion doh lovely 🥰

[@brighterdayjenn8579]

Yelling the child's name would be a parents first reaction, then following everyone in the house's name. There is a case of two missing brothers from a backyard. The foster father said he looked out from the porch for them, went back into the house asked his wife, ran back out to the fence looking pass their yard. Then got in his car drove down the block and yelled their names. Everyone is saying he is giving off Watt's vibes.

[@gilgemash]

Jaezuz Why bring watts into this case. Watts was a little kid then. Stop this nonsense thinking, reacting.

[@brighterdayjenn8579]

@@gilgemash what are you going on about im referring to the two little adopt boys missing from their foster parents home that just happened recently. I had to look the title up. Two Missing California City, Adoption Parents Speak Out or Up.

[@gilgemash]

@@brighterdayjenn8579 sorry. Didn't know that. In London. Chronology not clear from your comment. Happy Christmas 🤶🦌 🌈😷

[@O-T-7-BTS]

Hey Jennifer I just heard about that case yesterday. I watched the interview with the two foster parents and I have to say I didn't feel good about it.

[@gina.1]

Absolutely had the same thought @jennifermullins

[@jacquiet6040]

Parents and Caregivers get ready first. I am my 105 mom's caregiver and I get ready first, then my mom, then the dog. Just like instructions on the plane. Adults put mask on first then assist the children.

[@diannemccarroll2367]

Don't understand why she wearing the same clothes from the day before. Why she not showering or washing? Being a former beauty queen, u would think she would be looking her finest. Considering they would be spending time with extend family.

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

Patsy said in another interview & another statement she got up at 5:30 am.

[@melissa9375]

Agree about letting the kids sleep, getting everything ready to go and then waking them up. Am I right in thinking you've never had to do that drill? ; )

[@brigittebowman9113]

Yes, I can understand waking the kids last, if they're used to taking them on even the plane in the pyjamas, but I can't imagine what we know of Patsy's life, not showering and taking garbage bags, with clothes stuffed in them, travelling to meet others. It seems quite incongruous really.

[@brigittebowman9113]

@@bethryan9077 okay, Beth. It sounds like you know the family well. Thanks for your reply. 🌻

[@paulaprettypaula4213]

This house is messy and ugly plus the basement is gross 🤮

[@paulaprettypaula4213]

@Sarah Shea thought they had a housekeeper

[@jaustill237]

Barely into this and I already disagree on two assumptions. 1. We always get ready first and then wake the kids and get them ready. Seems like different people do things in different ways. Likely depends on whether or not your kids will get themselves ready or if you have to be active in making them ready. 2. My wife is very meticulous about appearance and has an immense wardrobe. But she can wear the same clothes from the previous day. This is because of another assumption. Many people wear a new set of clothes for each day, so if you are wearing the ones from yesterday, then you're wearing them for a 2nd day. Not the case, though. My wife will change her clothes as many times as she wants in a day, depending on outing. So a clothing item that was worn for just 2 hours the previous day is fair game for today.

[@jaustill237]

Got a bit farther, and it makes even more sense to me, that is: this video actually makes me think that Patsy might be innocent: 3. She didn't take a shower that morning. If she had involvement in the death, she would want to get clean. This also makes sense on why she wore the same clothes. Realizing that everyone is different, when I take a flight, I always want a shower afterwards. You do a lot of hiking around the airport and carrying bags etc. She didn't get done up before going on the plane because she was going to afterward. And there is zero chance of seeing anyone from last night's party at the airport or in Michigan. 4. That's exactly how I think Patsy would pack the bags. Grab up what was needed and toss them in trash bags, checks out. But you jumped to the wrong conclusion saying she would carry those bags through the airport. It sounds ridiculous because it is ridiculous. She would toss those trash bags into very expensive luggage. This is exactly how Patsy is. She is done up on the outside, in reality, she is a mess, but she looks done up. It's all surface level. So yeah, I can see Patsy walking through the airport, in need of a shower, in last night's clothes, with luggage full of garbage bags.

[@jaustill237]

There's even a word for this: Pageantry.

[@Danielle-hk9ln]

I never paid much attention to the details of this case, I assumed they were innocent ...but now...

[@Sookielein]

I also disagree. Usually you get yourself ready and let the children sleep in as long as possible.

[@janicescott7338]

I’m sure Patsy wore very nice clothes, especially to a Christmas night dinner. Then she said she decided to just wear the outfit again for early morning private flight.

[@KarenSanderson1]

Did anyone state why a pillow was on the kitchen counter?

[@lottesrensen8004]

Of course you panic if you find a note like that and find your childs bed empty. Then you will inevitably think the letter is true

[@melissalee2166]

I think Lou Schmidt felt sorry for the Ramseys. I think he knew they covered for Burke. Maybe he would have done the same thing in their situation. I feel that he had lots of compassion for the Ramseys considering that John already lost a daughter. Patsy battled cancer and now their son accidentally kills their daughter. I am willing to bet Lou pushed the intruder theory to help the Ramseys since they had already been through so much and Lou knew that it really was just a tragic accident.

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

Exactly. He became friends with the Ramsey's & created reasonable doubt for them. He knew what happened.

[@jacquiet6040]

They never said that JonBenet washed up and brushed her teeth that night. When they said that lipstick was on the duct tape, I was furious that Patsy would put lipstick on JonBenet for the neighbors Christmas dinner. Disgusted she would put makeup on her and it wasn't a pageant. Then I thought, that lipstick would have worn off from dinner, beverages, etc. Can't understand why lipstick print was on the duct tape.

[@lottesrensen8004]

Lipstick?never heard that. An footprint from the lips yes but not by lipstick

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

There was no lipstick on the duct tape. There were Jonbenet's lip prints indicating she was not alive or conscious when the tape was applied.

[@annettebarlette9471]

Did John step over the letter to get down on the floor to read it ?????

[@HoneyBee-zh9zw]

If im going somewhere that morning i get ready first then wake the kids up to get their day started, if im not going out i stay in my bed clothes unless its cold out i will put on warm clothes and a jacket to see them off weather it be the drive to school or the walk to the bus stop but it depends on the schedule of that day...

[@rcoopee]

Don't judge her by the words she used at the time. Many would shout and say my child is gone after reading the note and an empty bed. Do not pull these words apart.

[@shortnotekerrie]

Patsy scans the note and runs to Jon Benet's room, doesn't bother to turn light on, sees she isn't in bed. Doesn't check room out at all. Yells to John. Doesn't go and check on her son? Are you kidding? I get where the McCaan's got their story from! Bloody disgusting all of these parents! + all these washing words and straight to laundry? Why? Hmmm

[@harrietlyall1991]

Yes, you’re saying exactly what I’m thinking re the McCanns copying the Ramsey scenario. Why anyone would want to copy a ghastly tragedy and scandal is incomprehensible, but it does seem to be the case.

[@annievvho]

@@harrietlyall1991 probably because they got away with it.

[@dariusmenda8487]

The wheels of justice turn very slowly & these are flat .. That’s the time to grab the spare & change that flat ..

[@aulain50]

Cant believe she bleached Jon Benet s hair What a desperate person

[@cherylwright9408]

Her sister and her Mother would known if Patsy would wear same outfit 2 days in a row .

[@dcprimetime8581]

They piloted their own plane

[@TCRS]

Yes, but not on December 26th.

[@danmcn61]

Per Patsy's version of events: If the three pages of the ransom note are laid side by side on one of the steps of the staircase, and Patsy was the first to go downstairs, then isn't it obvious that she must have stepped on them? I'm sure that she didn't jump over that step. She must have looked down and picked up the note, so why aren't there any of her fingerprints on the note? Why didn't she read the entire note? Any parent who came downstairs and saw a note like that would have turned on EVERY light in the house, would have gone to the brother's room and woke him up immediately, would have woken up her husband and made a huge scene. None of Patsy's story makes any sense at all.

[@RealMakoi]

Saying “listen carefully” is quite common when speaking to your children. It would make some sense for Burke to compose a ransom note with that emphatic beginning.

[@rcoopee]

No not necessarily waking up the children first. A mother has a lot to do before waking up the children before a trip. Plus luggage should be packed the night before and last minute things packed in the morning. This I'd how an organized mother plans a pre trip

[@Investigativebean]

I think it would be unusual to not take a shower, and not put on clean clothing. I feel like pageant queen or not, you would at least wear a clean outfit.

[@lottesrensen8004]

Maybe she would pack first and prepare and then take a shower and new clotches on then right before leaving

[@beelight2703]

I still need to read this rendition of events - listening today I find it odd that it must be a bit before 6 a.m. when Patsy sees the note which she thinks might be from the housekeeper - 3 pages of paper places side by side on a lower stair rung - and another ask for money. So is she saying the housekeeper came into the house really early on the 26th and left a note? (And 3 pages) to remind Patsy of her request? ….and presumably then left again? That to me just does not make any sense. I thought the point well made also about Patsy not calling out JonBenet’s name, checking the bathroom and also since JB was said to at times sleep in the extra bed in Burkes room - didn’t at that time quickly run to see if she was there……

[@daneengatlin5786]

It was just after Christmas. You know kids needed extra sleep. Kids would be woken up just before leaving. They had big day planned so they wanted kids to get as much sleep as kids could get sleep. She Put on same outfit on to get ready. It is possible. It was just worn to party for few hours. She was tired from Christmas. She had a lot to do so she decided to put on clothes and get things done. She was rushing. The questioned was why was she going down stairs? To get laundry to finish packing. Well It was a private plane. I have taken clothes in bags so they dont get mixed. This makes sense to me. Kidnappers left note on stairs because they rushed out of JonBenet bedroom with her and they wanted to get down stairs as quick as possible. They wouldn't go up stairs again. They DON'T want to get caught up there or possibly wake someone up.

[@user-qh8nh7oe6d]

There were 2 black garbage bags tied at the top, in what looks like an unused shower cubicle in the basement, recorded on the police video recording. Just wonder if they were ever checked and what they contained?

[@SPORT2932]

They flew on their own plane and soft bags can be pushed in anywhere. As opposed to hard sided luggage.

[@maggiedurham447]

Speaking for myself I would get myself and everything else ready to go if I had to leave the house even pack the car let the kids sleep till the last minute get them dressed let them eat, then out the door .

[@southerngirlraven7]

I have wondered for a long time if melatonin could have somehow played a role. John said that he took melatonin that night, to be well rested for the next day. The ransom note also instructed John to be well rested. Could it be possible that they gave her too much, and she stopped breathing? And then they panicked when they couldn’t wake her. Or, what if she was being SA and the person doing it used Melatonin to sedate her beforehand, and she stopped breathing during the assault? Melatonin has been linked to a few children’s deaths and it can also lead to bed wetting. Just something I have thought about and I never really heard anyone discuss.

[@Theresa-Lottodo]

I can actually understand Patsy putting the laundry into garbage bags. I do the same when I go somewhere in a hurry and have the means to do the laundry when I get there. However, I pack the garbage bag full of dirty laundry into a travel bag! The garbage bag just stops the dirty laundry from contaminating an clean clothes I'm taking. So it is plausible. ;))

[@adamsmith8370]

Johns small plane would have limited storage space for luggage so bags might be best. The plane would have 3 adults including John, Patsy and pilot and two children. Plus they were taking Xmas gifts. Just very limited space for everything.

[@susettesantiago5509]

Patsy feels at home on her private plane and in her winter home…..if she wants certain personal items washed but doesn’t have time she can take them….

[@AndHence]

I think she wore the same clothes to account for possible fibers on JB, but probably washed them before putting them back on.

[@christievanderlaan7575]

I always get dressed ready and packed and wake my son last since he just needs to dress, brush teeth and maybe grab some food.

[@Bugiddle]

She remembers her shower is broken, so decides not to shower?? Can she not use John's shower?? Get up earlier than him and take a quick shower. I don't believe she didn't think she needed a shower. And she's going to wear the same clothes again, too? I bet they failed to collect any of her pajamas or nightgowns, too, right?

[@rcoopee]

Patsy sounds like a very disorganized woman in her home judging by what she has written in her book.

[@gingergrant6759]

when did they eat bagels?

[@joycelle1000]

You have no idea how a mother works at all. A mother will get up earlier attend to herself then pack make food then wake children. She grabbed her christmas clothes as they were close by and could be special enough or new to wear the next day.

[@Fourwedge]

Small kids always sleep on trips.

[@sondraeacker3125]

Nope, you let the kiddos sleep.

[@lottesrensen8004]

I dont think patsy carry the carbage bags ....a chauffeur maybe ....since they probably drive all the way to the private plain. They also might eat and even shower on board. She also mention they have most they need in their other house so not packing much.

[@deericcio3379]

When I go to multiple homes over the course of a night , for partying and eating and drinking , I’d probably end up with at least a bit of spilled drink , some cookie crumb or grease from potato chips on me , lol, and I dress nice and clean and dont go wild or anything, but I may also sweat a little , I’d never wear the previous nights party outfit the next day , or work clothes , maybe only something I had just wore in the house or to the store again the next day , does that make sense?

[@sweetsongs3820]

Tyvm Rocket Man 🤗

[@rcoopee]

Listen carefully can be written as this is the way the person is thinking.

[@ziggypop8106]

Did the remaining Ramseys live in that house for long after this happened?

[@TCRS]

No, they never returned to the house after midday December 26th.

[@ziggypop8106]

I'm confused. When did Linda Arndt, the pastor and the four friends turn up? Were they not all still there after midday? I always thought Arndt was first on the scene. Am I getting muddled?

[@gilgemash]

@@TCRS really?? So, did Access Graphics and / or Martin Thiakol take care of ALL of their subsequent needs etcetera - from square one...😷 Edit: Martin Thiakol subsequently married into Lockheed to emerge as Lockheed Martins... Two Martin Thiakol engineers wouldn't sign off on that cold cold January 1986, Challenger shuttle launch...after passing so many launch windows, as vp Bush was attending, they went ahead. Made a big deal, as a "common teacher" mccauliffe was the first non-astronaut. Poor crew. Their journey lasted 74 seconds, if that long. 😱🙏🌈😷Peace 🐝🌹🌈😷

[@dani.d.]

@@ziggypop8106 to me, it seems, they needed a ransom note, otherwise, it would have looked like someone in the house had killed her, even if it was an accident ? Plus no visible entrance point for an intruder?

[@ziggypop8106]

@Dani. D. I know what you mean. If it was to convince LE there was a real intruder it was misplaced. A 'real' intruder wouldn't write a ransom note for a dead child. It still doesn't make sense to me.

[@carolejean63]

I have 5 living children I would.get ready first then get my kids ready for church or a gathering

[@rebekahcrossman4690]

I don’t think they’re innocent. But, like you said, going into an investigation with a bias changes the trajectory. It seems careless to suggest it would be abnormal for Patsy not to shower before sunrise, then do her hair and make-up for the next 1-2 hours. People who shower daily think everyone needs to. But many women shower less frequently than men, because it takes 2-5 times longer to manage a woman’s hairstyle. Garbage bags: It’s misleading when you ask us to think whether we have flown like that because you know it was a PRIVATE PLANE with people they knew piloting it - something they routinely did. They didn’t do everything like others - following social norms….these are people who had private planes, could be untidy after a holiday because they had a housekeeper, people who got their own way more than most, so could also choose their comfort instead of the social norms of others - like taking clothing in a garbage bag to be washed at the other home. No sweat. Thats what being Privileged is: they Could dress their daughter like a showgirl if they wanted, and they could have a Christmas tree in every room if they felt like it.

[@jacquiet6040]

Of all mornings to decide you don't need a shower. Christmas Day - uncertain what time she got ready. Friends for dinner at 5:30pm. Stop at 2 or 3 neighbors to drop off gifts, perhaps a quick drink. Home at 10:00pm. A flight the next morning. Who wouldn't shower!

[@jacquiet6040]

@@bethryan9077 Thx for your detailed info.

[@venessachristian9575]

Is Christmas Star out on paper back yet? Hello from Texas!

[@TCRS]

Venessa from Texas, yes it is: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08R53MPZD/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tpbk_p3_i0

[@venessachristian9575]

Thank you Nick!!!

[@catherinetighe7813]

If they had to be at the plane for a 6.30 flight or even 6.45 , the children were still not up at 5.50 , about the time she read the note!!!! Very good point! Would the housekeeper not put the note in the kitchen. Why put it on any staircase!!! Much misdirection!!!! 2021

[@handeb1971]

The more I watch videos about this case the more I believe it was a premeditated murder. I believe that the ransom note was written even before. Because no one can put that much effort to write a three page note after the act like that. I believe the person who did it thought about it for days and planned it very carefully. There was no accident. I believe Burke and John are innocent and the person who did it got them to believe there was an intruder. I don’t think anyone in the family ever suspected the person who did it.

[@peternolan4107]

How about: she stuffed the clothing into garbage bags, then put the garbage bags into suitcases. No one would even know anything about garbage bags. Very simple.

[@shannonmiller1129]

On a work/school day, I would awaken my daughter shortly after I got up. Traveling, I would not, depending on her age, because there are always last minute time consuming things for me to do. Of course, I would get up extra early to do those things. No need for her to get up extra early. The Italicized "thoughts"? So transparent in trying to promote all her "thoughtful" innocence.

[@abrunett007]

I'd prefer to get up early and get ready, then get kids up.

[@annettebarlette9471]

Not many police depts deal with a foreign Terrorist letter in small towns.

[@bobbieburson5825]

Sorry to disagree but if you want any chance of getting out on time you let the kids sleep as long as you can.

[@thewattfamilymemories7734]

I hope this doesn’t come across as rude but it sounds like you have never travelled with kid’s. I would 100% leave my kids asleep while I got organised and got ready to go. It is no easy job organising to leave with kids. I could also see myself skipping showers for the kid’s to bath on arrival if I was running behind and had to get the kid’s ready. Lots of points I disagree with

[@TCRS]

Thanks for your comment. Not rude at all. If you find you disagree with a lot, you might want to avoid this channel in future, and spend time with a channel that supports all your points of view. Something else to bear in mind on the point about travelling with children, would you wake them up or would you wake them at the last moment too? Put otherwise, when you get your kids ready for school [I assume you've done that], do you wait till the last moment to take them to school, so they arrive at school still sleeping? Asking for a friend.

[@thewattfamilymemories7734]

@@TCRS I actually like your Chanel and I enjoy the videos but I was disagreeing with this comment and I did say I wasn’t trying to be rude! As for school I wouldn’t wake them up and take them last minute to school but as a family who used to travel a lot before covid we always would wake them Up at the very last minute and they would be half asleep yes. So I have to be honest here. I have 3 kids.

[@thewattfamilymemories7734]

Also noticed another few mothers saying the same so I reckon we have a point here. There was no need to be a little bit rude back, with the asking for a friend comment. Especially as I was a fan of your Chanel 🙄

[@rebekahcrossman4690]

@@TCRSwoh! Not even a little bit open minded about this. Very revealing of you.

[@maryelizabethrub5052]

It is a private plane. The plane isn't leaving until the passengers arrive...Also Patsy said she got dressed but wasn't she in the clothes she was wearing from the night before. So did she take them off and then in the am put the same clothes back on? Idk. Why is she doing the laundry? Did Jonbenet' pee on the bed? That is the only reason she would do laundry if they were pee riddled...

[@bublired]

I was in the minority that Patsy and John were innocent. I don't believe that either would use a garrote. They would be more likely to use hands or some other weapon. I also never believe they would want this to happen during the holidays. My opinion as someone growing up in "perfect family".

[@visionBWAGatekeeper]

She could have put the clothes back on because when she found the note she wasn't dressed yet. However the story of where was John when Patsy claims to have found the RANSOM STORY?

[@SnowflakeForestFelting]

Thank you! Right, I wonder this. Wouldn’t that have talked before she “panicked called” the Police?

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

That's not what Patsy said though. She said she changed her underwear & put on the same clothes she had wore to the party.

[@kellyjacquin715]

Most rasome notes are left where the was last at. Such as her bed. Suvh as in the Linberg kidnapping.

[@franceskajacobs2766]

To get rid of evidence throw it out of the plane

[@debbiemuckle5115]

Why were no suitcases packed

[@Investigativebean]

They would have already had their carry on bags ready and packed. Especially flying with two kids. Definitely not on garbage bags. That is truly bizarre.

[@catherinetighe7813]

John went to plane the day before with presents and more than likely luggage.

[@rcoopee]

I have my theory regarding the pineapple and the heavy torch and Burke and what followed. It might not seem that this could happen BUT look at the Murdagh murders and how the father looked into his sons face but still killed him

[@HoneyBee-zh9zw]

Had it not been for that note, john probably would have left for his trip and Patsy would have gone back to bed who knows if she would have checked on the children or just gone straight to bed, then later discovered jb missing. All this that happened that morning stopped john from going on his trip🤷, just a thought 🤔🤔

[@jackierice5848]

What kind of idiot would write a bogus ransom note on their own paper, with their own pen, from their own kitchen in their own house?? Answers on a postcard, please!