First TOP 32 KNOCKOUT IN YEARS | Harsh Judging at FD St. Louis?

[@cliff4695]

This was the worse round of judging any drift series, in the history of judging. Never seen anything like it. They need to get on that DMEC level, and I'm American 😂

[@aletzr]

yeah it ruins the whole event

[@tancankemaller7136]

It’s not about being American dude. I think it’s done on purpose against RTR.

[@karterjones9590]

Funny enough before that round started I thought to myself “wow the judges have been great this season!” and then this event had a ton of calls I didn’t quite understand. I agreed with some of the calls but their reasoning made no sense. I guess they had to make up for the first 4 rounds

[@EGHeartattack]

@@tancankemaller7136 Yes there was some shitty calls at St. Louis but you can’t seriously believe rtr is being targeted. Rtr wasn’t the only team dealing with bad calls and they also won the previous 3 events.

[@KentaElZeroM]

@@tancankemaller7136and it’s not even about it being against rtr FD judging is just terrible in general.

[@tjtotheb]

There shouldn’t have been an OMT, i’m not sure how FD is making these mistakes with so many technical advancements. Hearing the judges call him out for straightening out then him going on the rumble strips which they clearly said was a no-no and still getting the win is mind blowing.

[@frankender7026]

In the FD livestream they establish that touching the rumble strip on Outside Zone 4 is considered "a tire off [course]", and that "dropping a tire [off course]" is grounds for losing your battle (see Adam's battle), yet Thorn gets to freely plant himself on the red and white rumble strip and "drop a little bit of a tire" and NOT be ruled against for it. Absolutely terrible judging. Commented this on the livestream with timestamps, but edited them out here. Can re-add them if needed/wanted.

[@cliff4695]

Since when does dropping a single tire equal a L, when the chase driver can miss 2 OZ's? It complete total BS

[@Barry.ONeill]

​​​​@@cliff4695 he means lead vs lead James lead was almost perfect but thorn droped a tyre in his lead, thats where I see the comparison both hadn't the best chase, they wer both washy so I go off the leads then see is there a difference and there was James clearly won. One of the judges actually agreed

[@frankender7026]

@@cliff4695 Sorry, should've clarified that if all other things are equal in chase and lead runs, but one driver drops a tire, then that driver should lose the battle and it shouldn't be an OMT.

[@frankender7026]

@@Barry.ONeill You said it better than I did. That's exactly the point that I was trying to make, that based on Thorn doing what amounts to dropping a tire while Deane not doing anything like that in his runs means that Thorn should have lost and Deane should have won.

[@MattFGA]

Its funny that on Adam's chase, they said that Field's lead was the reason Adam could make a good chase, but gave no props to Deane's lead being the reason Thorne could make a good chase. And Thornes first lead seemed choppy as hell, affecting Deanes first chase.

[@yahkeigejnpierre3183]

It's a broken record at this point. We can all see the bias.

[@markusiltanen]

Agreed, spot on. I thought it would been easy looking lead vs. lead, because you need a good lead to have a good chase.

[@allanbuckleynyainda]

Just to add Deanes lead in the first battle was better than Matts ...matt had Hella wobbles in zones especially 3

[@fzR-up2uu]

@yahkeigejnpierre3183 what tf is the bias here?😂😂😂 you really think FD is biased towards a rookie on a small team over james effing deane? Grow up

[@yahkeigejnpierre3183]

@fzR-up2uu It has nothing to do with team sizes. The shit that some drivers did that weekend should have put the under the same scrutiny as James. Ryan Aasbo both dropped tires, yet it wasn't a factor in the judging. It's not that deep. The problem is that some drivers are held to a higher standard than the rest, which is why we see these BS questionable calls. 9 years of watching FD, and it's only recently (3years) has the call been so weird and hard to understand.

[@jono051283]

FD judging is terrible, it’s not even consistent from event to event.

[@driftosaure4815]

I would love to have the DMEC judging calls on all bullshit we have seen last week !

[@jono051283]

@@driftosaure4815 right! They literally don’t even apply the same rules to each driver or from event to event, it’s honestly embarrassing for them.

[@driftosaure4815]

@@jono051283 yeah totally, im from france and even the little French drift championship have better judges 😅 And really really really really really too much sponsor advertising, every battle 🤯

[@yamondakawazuki8941]

doesn’t help that the judges are usually friends of certain drivers, kinda how the world works anyway right? edit: just wanna add this quote “It’s who ya know and who ya blow.”

[@subarusam34]

From event to event more like run to run sometimes especially that weekend. Shocking.

[@patos1281]

I started watching FD again after years just because you came back.. as i see nothing has changed with the judging.. sad

[@aletzr]

yeah they should fire them and hire new judges get those on dmec level

[@joshuafranks3156]

Just tune into DMEC and FD-J.

[@patos1281]

@@joshuafranks3156 yeah i Watching dmec from the first season. It's a completely different level from tracks to judging and stream

[@lukesmith715]

No it’s changed so much from the past few years, it’s gotten much worse.

[@ganggasuwana9458]

Exactly

[@geroldslade478]

Fd judging is absolutely disgraceful they need new judges. You absolutely won that battle

[@GaragE36uk]

Won the first battle, was no need for omt..

[@TheRagingRayn]

They will just do what they always do. Either call their fans idiots through condescending remarks, or say they made changes to the rules but still keep the same judges that don't use the rules to make their calls.

[@victormoreira7213]

​ I was thinking the same, very unprofessional from whoever is running the chat on their Livestream

[@Quadrex7]

I'm actually so happy you made this video. Pure honesty. Every time!

[@TV_Offroad]

Shout out to how respectful the team is for you guys to make your videos, seeing them stop changing tires on your car for a few minutes so you could make your video was sweet

[@TheDjjacco]

The OMT was uncalled for, judging sadly is getting more and more inconsistent as they as more rules that they cant follow consistently, and choose track layouts that are “too” easy thus making battles about mistakes rather than who fulfills the goals the best respective to the lead/chase position. Also if they’d explain their judging decision a bit better than “we just wanna see that again”

[@TheRagingRayn]

I agree with you regarding the tracks. They always feel the same to me for the most part and are too short. If you watch DMEC they have much more interesting layouts and the tracks are longer from what I've seen.

[@JohnMichael0226]

This was bad, not much more to say that already hasn't been said from reading these comments. Love your passion, and dedication to the sport wherever it takes you. Humble as always and not one to take it out on your competitor. That is what truly makes you the GOAT!

[@BragoX90]

It's definitely something strange happening with a judging in FD especially in this round. Good runs man! True fans of the sport see everything. Best of luck 🤞

[@DudeDayne]

Keep your chin up James! Few rounds to go, and your already acclimating to the mustang super well!

[@jesscneal]

OMT from two of the judges was very surprising. Both your runs were better. You got robbed again. Lookin forward to the next round 👍

[@michaelthompson7006]

Im not sure how many times i have watch this and cant work out what the judges marked you down for. Defo less mistakes of the two. You can’t have a good chase with out a good lead. On the plus side. This reminds of when you figured the euro fighter out. Keep the head up and we go again 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@NoLimitNihad]

Jonathan Hurst said it best when he pointed out that drivers other than the top guys like Freddy, Tuerck, and Field especially, who are also bffs with everyone in charge, have to win by at least 20-30% to even have a chance of getting the call which couldn’t be more true. But the sad part is even then, there is still a pretty good chance they lose.

[@ChenteBlessed]

Just watched the vid , I’m amazed with your humbleness James ! Your the GOAT !!!

[@jaywilson7062]

I couldn’t believe the judging, he absolutely straightened up! Hard luck mate 👍

[@hatch450sx3]

That's was a straight zero and James did NOT scrub speed. I like Thorne but he deff didn't not win that run

[@migueloliveras8086]

can you guys record the drivers meeting or write down what the judges want to see in both places of the run. That way the team can create a "guide" or a checklist to help with the inconsistency clearly present in FD. For Example; Judges stated in drivers meeting we want the driver to not leave oz1 early, but you notice drivers doing this are getting away with. I think having a checklist like this can improve when protesting and help bring to light to all the sketchy stuff going around FD

[@allanbuckleynyainda]

Never seen someone get penalised for being wide in an outside zone And for some reason forsberg kept leaving oz1 early but they kept allowing it ???

[@olof103eriksson]

So heres the thing, they might say that "it was said in the drivers briefing" but then they go about and keep making calls that are not in line with what they say in the drivers meeting. The same thing happens in DMEC so its not just a one series problem. It happens in the Swe champs, Scani champs, local comps etc What needs to happen is a judging manual that they need to stick to. I think it also would make it easier for the judges as they have something that explains to them why one thing is better than another. This needs to be universal so if you start your grassroots career you will learn from day one what its like being judged in FD or DMEC

[@GertPaaret]

Haven’t watched FD in years to be honest ,their judging hasn’t made any sense for years unfortunately!! Only thing that got me back to watch it a little bit this year is your return. Wish you’d keep your focus on Driftmasters ,honestly James!! Much more enjoyable!!

[@bigmikepimp2003]

I love how passionate james is. James is great that your struggling a little it'll be super rewarding once you figure this car out

[@gerdunlea]

Keep the head up James. It will all come together, your an awesome drive and a fabulous Irish ☘️ 🇮🇪 ambassador. Best of luck in the next round

[@ToxxicMonkT]

The fact that the clown didn't even know you're a 3 time Champ gave away that bullshit call

[@tmuthigani]

@jamesdeane i can already see your rtr FD championship trophy coming, just keep your head up and remember your the best at it. Always Drive it like a champ!

[@alexnav85]

I mean, were they not pentalizing for hitting the red and white on the last zone? Technically dropping a tire. Did Thorne not do that on the lead on his run in the first go?? I was pulling for you to win. You got this bro!! Few more rounds to get it.

[@driftingmajix]

I remember the poll on the livestream on who won that battle and it was around 80% that voted for Deane. I don't think all of them are fanboys. Of course, we all have some preferred drivers but most of us are still capable to be objective enough to vote on who performed better or am I wrong? And that OMT was even worse. I would have given it a shared fault because Thorne was on a much tighter line with less angle. I think without that dirt drop he would've still straightened in the chase. I need to rewatch that frame-by-frame to really settle my opinion on this but this made me so upset that I don't want to. :D

[@alexnav85]

@@driftingmajix Couldn’t agree more

[@TheAce78]

Judges somehow closed their eyes when Thornes rear wheel goes over the red white , but james went a bit longer on outside 1 they made a huge fuss over it as if Thorne didn't do that in his lead somewhere between the two runs. Pretty bad judging tbh.

[@slimsantana9482]

fd judges are a joke , good luck rest the season

[@zebulonstampfler9117]

In reference to getting used to the track in the dark before qualifying, maybe it would be a good idea to try out some really dark sun glasses on a few runs during practice so that you could get your reference points down in low light? Just a thought, probably not an original idea haha. Great driving James! You are the best

[@Tavian.]

at 18:09 thorne completely straightened out and you can clearly see the steering snap to straight roll forward 3-4ft and then re-initiate drift, no dirt got kicked up at OZ 1 james dropped a quarter of a tire

[@heffe17]

Watched this a few times and just before. No dirt, no slow down. Thorne was so deep he didn’t have a chance. He straightened because he sent it too deep.

[@nicholasgasser976]

Dont be disapointed brotha You shoulda got the win in my eyes!

[@ricardofernandes7303]

I am no expert but I think overall James should have won. Felt that overall is runs where more solid. Amazing to see him being so honest and not just show up when it is all good

[@garvan79]

Shld not have been omt !! Looking better every event lad,tnx for video!! appreciate you ❤ Riga NXT ❤

[@Quadrex7]

Your videos are reminding me of watching my replays back on GT3. after editing and watching myself vs my ghost car. If you get me. Insane driving !! Great work from the whole team. Riga Baby!!

[@Daniel_Allison]

Keep your head up James. My family and I will be cheering you on in person in Seattle.

[@ciartdsfa4899]

I like the way we are getting to see the trials and tribulations of the pro game warts and all. humble honest and totally real which is hard to beat and shows the effort put in. It's interesting seeing the full picture and not just a sugar coated ego boosting success story vibe and that can only be good for those coning behind you into the drift game😎👌🔥

[@bobpowell7390]

You and Simon Olson got robbed the worst out of the whole weekend man. But I love your humility in defeat. So many people bitch about a judged Motorsport. That’s why you’ll always be the best man!

[@rohky5452]

Robbed in middle of day.. was crazy hearing judges try explain they decision

[@Quadrex7]

Great video! JD130 All The Way! 'There's no straight in drifting' 😉

[@BadBillyJack]

So Thorne can straighten, and run up the red/white stripes and still get the W. What the heck bro. It wasn't you. You killed it out there. Good driving man.

[@HydraSperati]

The way you (or someone driving your car) dropped chelsea off on the track during the airforce inauguration was absolutely HILARIOUS

[@marlaplunk2833]

Agreed. I was there with my son and he was like "that's Dean'es car!" when it pulled up. When Chelsea got out and ran to his car we lost it.

[@mac180sx8]

Keep the head up James 😊💪 You can do it, see in mondello this weekend 🇮🇪

[@rodrigodalmazo5560]

Man, for me you definitely won that one. Cheering for you from Brazil!!

[@InsertNameHere0369]

That’s a tough one to swallow James. You know whatcha gotta do this next round. So learn, improve and keep slaying those tires man!!

[@jefrykurniawan5630]

amazing adaptation adjustments give the best james💪💪💪

[@esmith2158]

That was some of the most inconsistent FD judging I've seen in a while. 3 more rounds, you got this!

[@i_amwormwood2533]

Just keep at it man. Still happy to see you back in competition out here. Looking forward to watching you at Irwindale

[@Mievvl]

You are the best. Wish you luck and victory in the next round of fd and Riga!

[@mat8009]

Daylight robbery, im sure youll get the podium next round 🤞🏻

[@jtp9210]

keep ya head up! still the best driver on the planet!!

[@devonfernandez98]

That was such a clear W on the first battle should never have been questioned or omt.

[@fearfulclone5486]

One thing I found odd was in multiple instances Jarod bringing up Odi’s podium drought. Ooooh look what happened…

[@tylerhersey557]

You killed it the judges were absolute trash, never should have gone OMT to begin with. Phenomenal driving as always!

[@Nscardigno33]

Your first lead run was nearly perfect, when I saw that I was like Mann James is on fire. Robert never really matched your angle in chase and his lead run was full of wheel corrections in the zones. judges always preach on lead runs and mimicking one could argue the only reason Thorne even stood a chance in chase is because how clean your lead was. Good driving either way I feel they are holding you to such a high standard with your past accolades.

[@bloodmasta1]

A been a tough season of FD for you bro getting used to a whole new kind of car to drift whilst doing the top competition in the world you’d be killing this in the Eurofighter! And the judges are all over the place this year that should not have been a OMT you had that in the bag! But you’ll get there man Roll on Riga my boy!!

[@VNTRFilms]

FD is not the top competition anymore sadly. Other than that true.

[@KodyFrame]

The picture of old Chelsea on the slide out is my favorite

[@marquiserogers4802]

James, I think when you go from third into fourth you should stay in to the end for the last outer zone problem is is the wheel speed is so high you gotta try to get a handle on your line before you get into outer zone four

[@Jimmygravy]

sick edits, color corecting and camera work looks like a video game!!!

[@natanielniles313]

Video editing is on point!

[@joshshelton796]

Awesome video man!

[@DotTrev]

Head up deane! You're killing it and judges seem delusional sometimes lol

[@CEPE2022]

Hang in there James, FD couldn't beat you in 2017,18,19, and they won't beat this year. Every drift fan who watched this knows you were robbed in the 1st battle. If this is how FD operates, it's a poor reflection on the sport. Looking forward to seeing you coming over the hill on Saturday in the new car. JD130 🇮🇪 🇮🇪 🇮🇪

[@manny17flash]

That was such a bogus call, no way Thorne should've gotten that. First run should've been the deciding factor. Makes me think I can be a judge if making bad calls is a standard lol.@formulaD y'all hiring? I can be a judge haha. Good luck the rest of the year mate.

[@Imkingsmen]

I feel like the judges should be separated from Jared and the broadcast because it seems like which ever judge is in the booth commentating can’t focus and judge the run appropriately! Also I feel like the judges decision is swayed due to Jared’s comments! They should be in a separate room with no access to the livestream or Jared! You and Adam kinda got the nasty end of the stick because of this!

[@fiberplz]

This makes a lot of sense. They will never go for it.

[@ChrispyWRX]

Love the edit @ 5:00 beautiful

[@86themadhatter27]

I thought maybe supporting you may have made me a little biased but even rewatching the first battle, you did more than enough to beat Thorne. They just seemed to want to OMT everyone. They made Odi omt Field and i couldn't see why either. I feel like the level of drifting in FD this year is exposing the cracks in the judging

[@ryanworkman5229]

Oh wow, I missed watching live, but I've been seeing some serious discussion about the weekends event. I'm not at all sure how that run went OMT, and previously Thorns transition would have been called a straighten and a zero, I don't buy the excuse that the lead run caused it, because the chase driver is supposed to copy what the lead does so a late transition means the chase needs to transition late. (previously they have forgiven chase drives for going off course, because they were follo0wing the moving clipping point and followed the lead off)

[@spamandsazon]

No hate to the judges, it's a hard job and most fans are generally bad at judging too, but that first one wasn't as close as those OMTs made it seem. Having watched FD for 20 years, I was only surprised by Robbie's choice on that first battle. Ryan is almost always detail-oriented enough to see the subtle but important differences, he's a great judge. Brian and Chris always wind up OMTing battles that are clear but close. They tend to only slide to one side for very obvious wins that anyone can see. Robbie usually judges more on the details, so seeing him go for the OMT here was disappointing. Your first lead was one of the best runs the entire event.

[@TheRagingRayn]

Yeah, so difficult that other orgs to it better.

[@JayTownsend1]

Anyone know what the red button is on top of the gear shifter?

[@artothewanderer9517]

Your lead lap was better than Thorne and your chase lap was better than Thorne. No way that should have gone to a OMT.

[@ToStompU]

rob thorn is an awesome guy and i hope he wins a championship but man isnt the chase driver supposed to chase no matter what???

[@E9xwill]

How the fuck the first battle went OMT is beyond me. They literally dissed his chase the whole way through, then dissed his lead. Said your lead would’ve been incredible in qualifying? Fuck man, they’re so inconsistent this year. It genuinely seems biased toward someone else winning the event / championship. Keep pushing. Everyone believes in you and can see through their bullshit. We all know you’ve got it. Don’t dishearten yourself. You’ve come back from worse and you can do it again. 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@williamkack7602]

Real good driving anyways 💪🏻

[@vipecrx]

Even "vanilla attitude" James Dean is talking about the judges in FD...

[@AndisSubaruPower]

Worst round of judging! I've not seen nothing like it. FD was getting back on point up to this round. It all went tits up here. Judges need to pull it together or they will loose audience and drivers if they carry on like this. I definitely think you won top32 battle. Great video btw. Keep up the good work 🔥🔥🔥

[@Maccaroney]

You'll get them next time James!

[@erichsonroscoe8338]

That was a clean win for james. Thats why i watch DMEC over formula drift. DMEC has better judges and better tracks.

[@LeslieannePablo-zj8df]

Good job sir James Deane practice make perfect god bless you

[@craik26]

My mind’s in peace now the we all agreed you were robbed. I can’t wait for next round because after this you’ll show them who’s the GOAT!

[@florian_montuzet]

I still don't understand why you lost ... There was no need of a OMT . But it's so good to see you being more confident with the car

[@justaplayer3206]

That's not fair u shouldn't have omt Its ok its ok .... Keep up legend 🔥🖤

[@ctrsmithy]

Yeah thought they where pretty hard on Lz aswell. Next time guys 👏

[@scuffedgravyboat]

next year you gotta come back with the S14.9, you would be unstoppable. but then again, Falken

[@dmr_arex]

FD destroys itself. If you got a name in FD, you got an advantage (like field). We need a worldchampionship with neutral judges. And holy moly, not so much time between the runs. As much as i was hyped to see you back in FD, i wish now you wouldnt take part in it and drive the whole dmec season. Its simply a better competition.

[@antoncesia8809]

21:40 I don’t know, who is that guy, but his driver is James Deane

[@TwoOneSe7en]

There never even should have been a OMT in the first place. You won that first battle. Narrow margin maybe, but indeed won.

[@drquanzyz8490]

onto the next dance good sir, sorry to hear about the results, but your fans know who really won. you will comeback strong from this we all know it

[@MrChris106gti]

How was that first battle a omt?

[@ChasingPerfection]

You know, as a fan I've spent the last few years learning and understanding the judging. I listen to each rounds, "what they are looking for" from the judges. Of course I have fav drivers but I can also admit when someone looses. It is infuriating when they say one thing is bad and completely ignore it when looking at a run. The inconsistencies with judging is such a disappointment for a organization that is "celebrating" 20 years...

[@SweVikingRC]

The OMT was relly far of in judgment in my opinion! Better Luck next race Deane 🎉

[@zubalama1990]

Judges don't like RHD Mustang :D

[@misterphiluk]

You should try using Melatonin to adjust your body clock so you feel more refreshed and ready to avoid the jet lag and adjust to the time difference.

[@growlith6969]

1:23, lol, who's on that wanted poster?

[@mattybyrne1991]

Lad them 3rd 4th gear up changes tho are sweet

[@vvevvevvvv]

Happens to everyone, Jams. That's ok.

[@dalton-at-work]

the irony of RTR throwing a protest....anyway great insane effort from Deane

[@manusb6441]

FD is getting worse each round at this point. Well at least next week you will be at DMEC as Wild Card driver. Super excited for that! It's Riga Baby!

[@VIPER276]

Keep you head up champ. don't be to hard on yourself, the judging was very questionable on this 1.

[@hillbillywes100]

James., Big fan here, it' seems they have a hard on for RTR at this round! He hit the rumble strip and straighten too. I/m having trouble staying interested when they pull shit like this on my drivers! I'll be blunt, these judges w/ FD have an agenda and are doing every thing they can to seed one of their pets for a championship, hope your at LZWT

[@dilutedskew]

Should not have gone OMT! You had it! It was close but there were clear differences.

[@darrenlsagts996]

Deano do ya know what you can do is keep doing what your doing bro it’s all up again you cause your the champ champ champ as McGregor would say Frist time in a new car what ever will be will be bro wait till next next year because I hope Sportsbet have odds on you because I’ll be rich you will smoke the whole lot of them keep the chin up and keep just doing what your doing

[@lukemtb6800]

I genuinely loved formula drift but the judges have killed that for me over the last seasons. You are Better than fd