Fishing Etiquette (DON’T BE THAT GUY)

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[@Battlenut1]

Subbed cause it looks like your Navy.

[@travissmith8709]

At least he slowed down. I had a boat do this to me and never slowed down. The wake was massive and when it finally ended i was about 50 yards from where I started

[@jeremylong6229]

"I can still get there before him" My guy your in a kayak and hes in a bass boat... no you cant.... I understand your frustration though

[@limitbassfishing2733]

To be a little devil's advocate, it doesn't seem like he did it on purpose or to be mean. He may not have noticed you guys until he came off plane and was slowing down. By then it was honestly too late. He didn't continue to escalate after you said something and he moved through as quick as he could. Best not to let it get to you and move on else both of you look foolish.

[@levis569]

"moved through as quick as he could" lol ya he sped off on purpose like a real jackwagon and stirred the bottom up.He should have apologized or something

[@BunchyFishin]

As a yak angler and glitter boat angler he knew chad was there, if he didnt then he shouldnt be operating that boat. Alot of people are just Aholes and want to ruin someones day for fishing a spot they wanted to fish.

[@yakyak99]

agree

[@CincoRojo]

Y’all think this is bad wait until you see the Texas coast…

[@michaelboykin9881]

I totally disagree. When you're driving a vessel it's your responsibility to see everything in your path. It's not like the kayaks were hiding behind a bush or tree. He saw them. He just didn't want to go around. Plain and simple narcissism.

[@pringals]

"You won't know if you don't go" ... adding that to my journal of quotes I've kept since I was a kid.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

👊🏻

[@walter992]

Chad, I spent three years stationed in San Diego and in all my years have never experienced more jack wads than while fishing the San Diego lakes. Without even looking at you folks would pull up less than a couple boats lengths in front of you and just start fishing like you are not even there. This was a regular occurrence. Man, I sure was glad to finish that tour and get back to the South where folks still have some restraint and display courtesy to each other.

[@richardkeller6940]

There are rude people in the south too not just San Diego

[@jasondelgado-yg5mj]

I feel ya man. Guys will literally pull up in front or right next to me a pitch away likes it’s cool.

[@walter992]

@@richardkeller6940 Not like in San Diego. Courtesy is the exception to the rule.

[@jimrockford4309]

Drama Queen

[@robertcox9226]

we've all had that problem. the last person that did that to me I followed them down the bank casting a swim jig because the fish were suspended in the clumps of hydrilla every time my jig hit this clump I would get a bite. then I would scream like Ike. I lost count I caught so many bass but I never saw the other guy catch one.

[@jasondelgado-yg5mj]

I’m here in Southern California and it seems like after Covid hit and guys new to fishing hit the waters etiquette flew out the window. I’m out 5-8 times a month and it happens to me almost every time out.

[@C.Adams82]

Your spot on.

[@bobbrown9277]

Awesome brother. You handled that better than I would

[@zackerythomas4536]

Agreed

[@michaelloucks4448]

I hear you Mr Brown I think I would have gotten really pissed off and cursed at him . But as I get older I try to hold my cool I'm almost 60 yrs old but something like that it just seemed he did that intentionally .

[@aznboymix559]

This dude handle this a Karen.

[@krakhare7111]

Yeah I gotta agree. No matter what craft you’re operating, be courteous to everyone else on the water.

[@MrFishingOhio]

One of my spots I fish I constantly have boats pulling up in front of me flying in at 40 mph. Just completely blowing up the spot; it’s annoying

[@cfv704]

Happens too often. Things like this are common place. Everytime I hear a motor i ALWAYS check its pathing. Also carry a concealed. Some entitled people really dont give a damn about your safety.

[@garywilliamson5535]

I understand your frustration. I got out on one of our local lakes a few years ago. I didn't know it was duck season and every single duck boat that passed me, never slowed down and they all waked me while I was in a 10 foot inflatable boat. One fisherman came by and I heard him tell his buddy, don't wake that guy up their fishing. They slowed way down and we talked a minute as they passed and I thanked them for the curtesy they showed. Don't know if all duck hunters are as rude as what we have in NE OK but I was not impressed.

[@db9818]

I fish a busy bass lake, I’d rather them pass on plane. Some slow down but that throws a bigger wake, unless they’re on the trolling motor.

[@DoctorSess]

I mean I feel your frustration but it’s duck season and duck hunters are a bunch of mongoloids

[@sliderman6899]

Up here in the North we call these assholes spot hogs. They can not find there own fish so they pull in and mark yours. Get use to it!!

[@juketreks2192]

Remember when we were fishing outside Red Hook, NJ and we were fishing 30 yards apart and a boat drove between us at full throttle?

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Yessir! But I kind of expect that in the saltwater…. This “should” be different

[@patrickmahoney3479]

I have had some really close calls while on the water. It is a matter of being safe as much as being courteous.

[@jerryoliver5591]

I am really enjoying this kayak! It was a great deal for the cost and it has a lot of wonderful features. I highly recommend it

[@19DESERTFOX91]

i would of slapped my lure into his boat and said he ran into my cast lol

[@AnthonydREDWAVE]

And then you would have proceeded to get a beating.

[@roberthance1187]

Was on Leech Lake MN a few weeks ago and had a fishing boat troll in and spot lock right where I was casting my jig for 30mins straight catching walleye. Leaned over and told my brother on the next cast I'm putting it in his boat... Almost hit the dude in the forehead, I stopped the spool and pulled back just in time for it to stop and plop down just inches from his boat. Normally conversation would ensue, but his trolling motor scrolled 90deg and he scooted outta there. Have fished the Oconto where it's like bumper cars without problem, but some guys will act like they just don't want you to catch fish in situations like this.

[@NiteWolfeFishing]

Last week i was crappie fishing, anchored on a brushpile and this powerboat rolls up 30 feet from me and starts pitching there bobbers 5 feet off my bow. Then they get all pissed at me for videoing them and telling them to smile your on youtube.

[@TechyTechAdvanced]

Feel ya on that one, even on a 17foot deep v those people are jerks can be ten times worse when in a kayak! Boater safety certification should be required to operate ANY motorized water craft just like a motor vehicle!

[@richretired5558]

Boater Certification would do nothing....Look how many jerks are on the roads.....Jerks will be JERKS! And to many "Boaters" Kayak people don't count, we are not on "Boats".

[@MendandMake]

If you ever get over to Sam Rayburn reservoir in east Texas take a video for us

[@ILLUMINATHAN79]

C’mon Chad, he had a dock to get too!

[@andrewcason5205]

This is like getting mad at the car switching lanes to gain 2 cars. Not following driving etiquette. It’s everywhere why you seem so shocked.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

It’s literally not everywhere in the South. Which is why it was rare and uncalled for. Thanks for the comment but the comparison isn’t even close

[@anthonyclem107]

I got to a spot to duck hunt on a public lake one time. There were some guys a good 200 yards away from us where we set up. They were kind of in the area first but we faced the open lake and they were fishing the bank. They eventually worked around and got within shotgun hitting distance of us. Cut a group of ducks off that were swimming in our direction just to get into a fork of the lake. We were livid. Not only did they cut off ducks, but they were stupid when it came to safety

[@americanagothic7851]

The duck hunters around here have lots of spots away from people fishing. No one has problems around here on public lakes. Any good duck spots are mostly away from good fishing spots.

[@tombosanko3085]

I bet that all the time on a lot of the lakes we go to.

[@johnmiller5987]

I mostly fish walleye. And I troll for them. It's very common for someone to anchor right where I just caught one. Then they want to cast at your boat like it's their spot. Last year my brother was out. When a famous guide. With his own TV show did it too him. With a boat full of clients. Didn't stop my brother from catching his limit. How would that make you feel? Also realize that fish are not afraid of boats. The guy in front of you hopefully churned up some bugs that attract bluegill. And what eats bluegill?

[@stevenm6301]

4:39 is true of most people, most of the time. Well said. Sadly, it’s a personality trait that shines through in everything that person does.

[@SithLordDarthBane]

This is just happened to me at Headwaters. Launched from the Kayak spot. Hugged the bank…. And a boat came by 25mph 10-15 ft away from me…. Crazy crazy man i almost thought he was intentionally trying to Ram me that almost pulled out my concealed carry to shoot into the air …. It’s not safe out there anymore.

[@MrBigDaddyUSA]

I was on the lower part of the Flint this afternoon. Had a large group, like 10, jet skiers come barreling through. Not even one broke throttle. There were a few other yaks fishing (they were in a N Al tourney). All commented it was a very disappointing day for common courtesy on the water.

[@andrewbickel1450]

Wow I just got settled in from an all day fishing day on my local lake. I was set up to cast into a treetop and 3 older guys came along in a pontoon boat parked right in the tree top and ran their motor trying to get turned and blew up the whole spot. Seems since he's been fishing the lake for 30 years and......... Since he was there early in the morning before me it somehow made it ok🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. I said "after 30 years you would think you would have learned some manners". Didn't bother to tell him I've been fishing this lake for over 50 years. Looked like maybe his son was driving a guy about 50 ish. Great way to bring up your kids to be respectful. Passed him later on and pulled in a 2.8# ER on a frog . No bad for northern Crawford county area this time of year. ... I feel your pain Chad. All we can do is present ourselves in a respectful manner to others and not be "THAT GUY"🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@Steve-iw1kj]

Happens all the time on the potomac river makes me wish my Yak had a torpedo on it

[@brendanlee8287]

Chad it seems that people with larger boats have no respect for kayakers. This happened to me on the Susquehanna river last week. He said I was in the seam he needed to go through. The river was a half mile wide with many other seams.

[@billy5330]

It's crazy I see this video it happened to me today all day long fishing in Florida😢

[@ChadHooverFishing]

It’s frustrating. That’s why once it gets crowded I go to the rivers or fish at night

[@paulferber7090]

A pro fisherman cut 50’ in front of me and took the structure i was working towards during a FLW tournament. It was a small area that we wont even enter if another boat is already in there.

[@mrstackracks1189]

At least he did slow down once he saw u

[@opinionatedviewer7730]

My dad helped me realize some people are unknowingly inconsiderate, him being a bigtime culprit. Remember kids only you can prevent forest fires! Let it go and hold onto your hairlines guys.

[@penalty5992]

What PFD do you have? Do you think that having a green/khaki PFD and camouflage gives you an advantage in fishing compared to a bright orange, highly visible vest? I am considering getting the Stohlquist Keeper vest in the olive green variation.

[@auggyboy284]

That boater did that on purpose…and it happens way too often

[@xxxxxxx3760]

It's even better when your in canal that you can cast half way across and boats come flying on plane past you

[@martinschulz9381]

Hey he slowed down and tried not to make waves, in crowded lakes this distance is common...especial around docks and boat launches.

[@tahoedriver0216]

Its a very common thing at the lakes i go fish at, it happens at least 4 or 5 times when i go kayak fishing, the guys on paddle boards with sails are the worst they will pass 10 feet in front of you. I was planning on going this weekend but we got snow today and itll be cold tommorow

[@arkansasworstangler9151]

Man I hear ya cause I was out fishing on a boat on the white which isn’t that wide and this dude comes flying by

[@michaelboykin9881]

Great video. Now do one in ramp courtesy, like to ines who back down the ramp and then spend 20 minutes prepping the boat, arranging gear, monkeying with the anchor rope, and then doing all over again as they block rge ramp when they come in. It will ruin the first and last hour of your day.

[@SimonC82686]

It's getting pretty common to encounter people with no fishing etiquette. The other day I was fishing a stretch of bank to the left and to the right of me. With over 100 ft. of open bank and no one else around, 2 older guys decide to set up 10 feet beside me and throw out 2 poles each where I was fishing the rocky bank to the left where I previously caught a 3lber chasing herring. After I caught a couple 2lbers off a laydown, they pick up move to the laid down tree I was fishing to the right. Just this morning I went out to the same spot hoping for some solitude and a freakin boat of 2 troll up, completely cut me off and start fishing the spots I am. At that point I had nothing to cast at because the boat was in front of me about 15-20 ft, the guy in the back was fishing the rocks to my left and the guy in the front was fishing the laydown on the right. It's mind blowing

[@American-Plague]

Should've started casting over their line every time they cast and get your lines all tangled up.

[@whothegoofball4838]

Sounds like his boat motor was missing. He would've stayed home and checked the coils and spark plugs, maybe a tune up.

[@danielgreen2574]

Guys run through where I'm fishing almost every time I go out,at 68 years old I love bass fishing,but get screwed over a lot of times.

[@davidlewis9572]

Nice fish , great attitude…..never fails there’s always that one guy ….don’t be that guy . You handled it better than most.

[@bignate6664]

I hate boaters especially pleasure boaters... I was anchored on the james river fishing for catfish out of the channel out of the way, well hear comes a 30 foot yacht wide open I figure OK he sees me he'll roll off as he passes me... Nope threw a 4 foot wake at me. I cranked my anchor wizzard got my anchor up off the bottom as far as I could and just barley got the nose towards the wake had it got me broad side I would have went over along with about 3000 dollars in gear close enough to swim to shore but still. So as a multi species kayak angler I've grown to hate boaters they think it's funny to wake us out they don't think about our lives the money we spend to make these things fishing machines... I know this ain't all that much my graph by itself is a grand not to ammount for my rods tackle and all the other rigging. The most respectful boats on big rivers are tugboats. I've never had one not roll off the throttle as he passed unless I singled him to throttle it up and throw a wake. I kinda enjoy riding the wake but I'm also retarded😂 I also don't have hundreds of dollars of gear on board either.

[@OhioRiverFisherman]

Its crazy how ppl are today. Everytime i go fishing, someone shows up within 5 minutes and crowds me out everytime. I bought a spot on a lake for camping, but i was fishing it for like 12 hours. As soon as i get setup, here came 2 ppl and posted up on me. I told them that i bought this spot, and they argued with me about it. So i just let it be and moved on down. I ended up crushing the bass and catfish and they didnt get a bite. Lol

[@jeffarmstrong9324]

That’s why I always have a rod rigged with a heavy jig. Leaves a mark.

[@Spaceshuttlegunner]

If I had a dollar every time that happen, I would have a bit by now. 😂

[@gregstabryla9945]

Courtesy is always the way to go Wether hunting, camping, or fishing. People usually go out of their way to be helpful. There's always going to be the rude one in the bunch. I get over it and get on with my day. Hell, I'm fishing 🎣..

[@rbartig]

I've bank fished or fished from a dock and people drive over my line without caring. One of the main reasons I like to take the unbeaten path away from people.

[@ria_adventures]

I would have casted and tried to hit them because this happens way too much to me 😕 Thanks for your video Chad. I also subscribed 🙂

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Thanks for the sub!

[@bheineez]

My life. I got hit by an idiot not watching where he's going.. near miss multiple times a year. Boat licence does no include common sense!! Love the videos thanks for the hard work.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Thank you

[@brittpereira2600]

You can see where the guy is fishing and he could have sneaked behind the guy fishing

[@ChadHooverFishing]

The point of this video was that he could have just stayed in the channel To get to where he was going. He wasn’t fishing, he was simply driving across the flat to ruin our fishing. He also went out of his way to do it. It would be a different argument if he was even attempting to fish and would have still be rude, but he was simply just doing what he did to ruin our fishing.

[@SergGarcia-xt5ye]

Down here in south Tx, there are people that like to run their boats 30-50 feet from the T’s at public fishing piers just to ruin someone’s day, one time I got completely spooled and rod broken in half when a boat did that to me, but just like you said there’s no more common courtesy anymore, I’n fact idk how many times I’ve had to call game wardens on other people for fishing harassing.

[@oxyfee6486]

At least he slowed down, I’ve had guys almost flip me.

[@matthicks9622]

The flat isn’t the only thing that got boiled up😂😂😂. Im with you tho brother that would’ve set me off, I mean at least apologize if he didn’t see you or know what he was doing.

[@kentuckywatchtower2686]

Thinking of buying a Yak and this is one of the things I worry about. Ppl are a$$holes. Some ppl think since they spent thousands on a boat they have the right of way.

[@scotsemmens596]

We need to bring back fighting and ass whoopings.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

I mean, you ain’t wrong….. 😂😂😂

[@ChrisFunktheFeralOne]

if 150 yards of braid wasn't so expensive..... it would do wonders to the seal on that lower unit. you handled it well sir, they totally showed how little they care for anyone else on that lake!

[@dukeitsk9624]

Come fish in Canada on some lakes sometimes you wont see a boat for days 😂😅.

[@F-N-C]

A real fisherman would never do that to another fisherman. That S happens to me from time to time while trolling. Just pull right in front of you and stop. 🤬🤬

[@touavang1770]

Those rude boaters are everywhere, especially where I fish. They alway come close, and those jetski rider are the most rude nasty people. They always ride really close and ride back and forth and literally try to ruin my fishing day. But yeah, I do understand your frustration.

[@tomg204]

Unless they actually have a house on the lake, kayak fishermen are at the bottom of the fishing status hierarchy, even below the guys who fish from shore. That guy was probably trying to take his bass boat to his dock and you got in his way. You caught some decent bass though.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

It’s funny that you actually believe this and even funnier that you took the time to type it out. 🤦🏻

[@raydongreen]

I like your channel. But this one seem like you were just looking for confrontation. But great fishing. Love your content sir.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Thanks. I wasn’t looking for a confrontation. I did a follow up video to say that i could Have done better but trust me, there is no reason that boat should have done what he did. Like I said in the follow up video, I could Have reacted better, but with how close this guy got and the circumstances of it I could have also been justified in reacting much worse. Thanks for your response and I can see where you are coming from based on the context of this video and again, that’s why I did the follow up. Appreciate y’all

[@raydongreen]

@@ChadHooverFishing man. I respect that. And I do agree with all you mentioned after better listening too. 👍🏻👍🏻 have a great day sir. Just subscribed.

[@michaelloucks4448]

Hey Chad I can not believe how rude some of these people are. He could have drove out further away from where you were casting. Unreal that is terrible .

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Exactly, and it was worse for him too because his motor bogged down all the way across the flat

[@erockscott1184]

I have jets skis and boats literally drive RIGHT over the top of my line while I'm surf fishing....I also have people Adults literally walk right into my line right in front of me while I'm surf fishing...i had an oriental lady step on my line and walk right on top of it in front of me yes...while surf fishing

[@VooDoo2049]

hey chad dude i get that all the time at Lake Geneva Wisconsin! not only bass boats but wakeboard boats. if i wanted to i could bean the driver with my luer if i wanted to.

[@andiiramii2775]

Same thing happen to my boy a hour ago but instead of a bass boat it was 2 wake boats. My friend got pissed and told them something and their respond was "You're just made because you cant afford a bass boat" . Damn clowns think because we're on kayaks we cant afford a bass boat LMAO. Our kayak setups are just as much as a bass boat lol

[@mike-indiana6643]

I wasn't there, not everyone sees things the same. It takes courage to say you could have been nicer. That's why I watch ya. Keep up the good videos.

[@davidson2004fatboy]

GUYS ALL TALK ! VERY ANNOYING, GONNA GET HIMSELF IN TROUBLE WITH a GUY LIKE ME

[@havensoldier34]

@@davidson2004fatboy GOBBLESS BORTHER

[@WadeLife]

I've had a couple of boats do some dumb 💩 but most have been polite for the most part...

[@Willy1216]

Dude this week alone this has been horrible on Watts Bar and fort Loudon.

[@stephenrobertson2397]

Had them 20ft away a few times how can you stay so calm sir I cant

[@mikeford9176]

Horrible man. Yesterday I had some idiot roll right by me in a brand new Nitro. He obviously can afford it but has no idea how to drive it or care about anyone else. I fish out of a semi v hull so not horrible but rocked me pretty good. People just don’t seem to care as much anymore

[@fantomphoenix6170]

Gives you a reason to get a surface iron setup :)

[@Adventures101.]

You're a better man than me sir..

[@casenwallacefishing4450]

Imagine leading the biggest b.a.s.s kayak event ever and this happens twice. Welcome to bama lol!

[@ChadHooverFishing]

🤦🏻

[@FishingWithCotton]

I encounter this just about every time I go out

[@tombosanko3085]

Unfortunately that happens everywhere. We've had that happens to us too.

[@mikeyz8775]

I like to aim for the boat prop.

[@Shaftya_McNasty]

Crying about a boat on open water. 😢

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Watch the hole video…. 🤦🏻

[@scottvickery2057]

At least he slowed down...lol

[@travisjae1775]

Hey Chad, thanks for your content, and looking forward to seeing more. Are you using the nucanoe unlimited in this video, and how do you like that kayak. I ask because I'm a large guy, 6'3 280, and have decided to go with the unlimited.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

No, this is the BONAFIDE SS127. But I will be using the NuCanoe Unlimited for a series of videos in the very near future

[@CFJ8869]

It has gotten worse the last 3 years. Fishing etiquette is out the window. Especially when it comes to us kayakers and bass boats. By the way nice fish.

[@kater4052]

This kind of stuff and people who leave their trash all over are two of my biggest peeves. I usually pick up when I go to the lake and try to leave it looking better than it did when I came. So many times I'll go back the next morning, and there will already be a bunch of trash around from people who fished the night before - @$#%!!! Pick up after yourselves people. We have a beautiful planet, stop trashing it!

[@Snap-Time]

Too many selfish people like that these days. They’re so petrified of accountability too that they will use any excuse in the book paired with unnecessary aggression to act like they did nothing wrong. You’re right, common courtesy is not so common anymore.

[@ColoradoFishing]

I kayak fish and boat fish. He really wasn’t being that bad. You need to chill out IMO. He slowed down to zero wake for you, call him a clown or whatever, but you don’t own the water any more than he does.

[@allensaelee6707]

I do the same. At the end of the day you dont own the water chad, some folks just dont know, but he did slow down for you and not cause you any wake. That is courtesy. I slow for Kayaks all the time as much as i could and i expect boaters to do the same when i am fishing. But you cant please everyone. Even slowing for kayaks respecting their fishing. They still throw their hands up like if u have no right to be there. Boaters can enjoy the recreation of boating & say the same thing, kayaks are in wake zones fishing slowing them down where they cant enjoy water sports. Like you say, just because youre fishing doesnt make it more important than his activity. Its a shared space at the end of the day. He did slow down to literally nothing for you. Couldve blew pass and around and flipped u for all he cared.

[@barrywinfree6845]

Don’t cry

[@ChadHooverFishing]

😘

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Thanks for the comment, it all helps.

[@easygreensniper]

4:39 oh the irony! 😂

[@ChadHooverFishing]

There is no irony in saying that

[@easygreensniper]

@@ChadHooverFishing you need to look in the mirror buddy.

[@joeys7519]

That guy was a piece of work

[@gentrynewsom2080]

Boats going by are not a problem they can provoke a strike.

[@kineticenergy1085]

And people pinned, or, stick down passing the boat ramp causing all our watercraft’s to slam against the dock🤦🏽‍♂️

[@joeynovoa4943]

Gotta love clowns with no common sense 🍻🤙🏽

[@SwolecityFishing]

Chad, I mentioned to you before that now you’re in Huntsville I have some great backwater spots where boats can’t go to catch tanks. I messaged you on Instagram after you said let’s meet up. Let’s get it, brother!👊🏾

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Shoot me a text at 757-348-2232

[@ChadHooverFishing]

I will also try to find the DM

[@SwolecityFishing]

@@ChadHooverFishing I’ll shoot you a text now.

[@SwolecityFishing]

@@ChadHooverFishing Hey brother, I tried to call and text you about fishing tomorrow, but your notifications are turned off on your personal phone. Hit me up, Jorden.👊🏾

[@sidewinder-nf9qm]

May not have known any better, lots of credit card captains out there. But you have to call it out so maybe those that aren't aware will be later

[@RAM-19]

A little tip from up here in canada on how we deal with assh@!es like that...a slingshot with a bag of various sized marbles...works great on gel coat paint jobs...been using it for years...especially for those great wake board boats that think its funny to try to swamp you ...ive dinged a few $10 000 + dollar paint jobs and im proud of it...invited all of those meat heads to meet me on the dock for a "discussion"..no takers so far...THAT SAYS IT ALL... SO MY ADVICE...BUY THE SLINGSHOT...IT WORKS!!!! From my wet melted igloo on the mountain in alberta Canada 🇨🇦 D.