Let's Solve ONLY MURDERS IN THE BUILDING season 4 episode 5 'Adaptation' Recap Review Theory

[@DoublePMedia]

We’re at the halfway point- who do you think shot Sazz?

[@amandachilds5290]

@@DoublePMedia usually at episode 6 is major point at killer or killers so next one is going to be HUGE and all before have been sort of red herrings with bread crumbs and some thing big but misunderstood so I'm looking at crumbs like tinsel, scribbled out Dudenoff in photo, Helga, who poisoned Winnie in season 1, how Bev knew to go to Paradise, and is that gun related to Jan's guard, and is Jan going to solve this too and show up in finale maybe even protecting the trio because she loved Sazz? Still wondering if Bev could be Jan's sister and a killer too or just trying to control the story about her sister's murders...and the clues are pointing to creepy weird sisters all season with Charles going to see his in a two episodes. We've had bad romantic partners themes, fathers and sons themes, mothers and sons themes and now could this one be sisters and or brothers hence Brothers sisters, Sazz Bro is Brazzos rearranged, Jan mentioned being second to hers, did Tim Kono have sibling? Dickie has a co bro and now we got a stunt bro...lol

[@jaclynhilliard8877]

U mean Sazz is dead?? 😂😂

[@gold-star]

@@DoublePMedia Loretta!

[@Tru3_Detective]

As much as I love Richard Kind (I truly do,) I still say Vince Fish.

[@amandachilds5290]

@@Tru3_Detective he is sketch with the fact he knew where each one of them lived and the photo scribbled out. Yeah he knows more than he's saying about Dudenoff

[@georgex4700]

When you see Detective Williams in the episode, you'll know that it's going to be the best episode of the season😂❤❤❤

[@DoublePMedia]

YES!

[@abbyoxner3146]

I will watch any project she appears in omg she’s amazing

[@theartofintuition7682]

If Glen is shot, then the writer is involved. As soon as Glen recognized him, Glen was shot. Marshall mentioned he had 20/10 vision so he can make the shot. The Brother's Sisters (at least one of them) showed they could move a body. Perhaps we need to start seperating out the suspects? Who could make the shot? Who could move the body? I feel more than 2 people are involved. Bev acted like she had never held a gun, so not the shooter? I saw a fan theory that Sazz wrote the script and Marshall stoled it. That tracks because the writing is very "pro" Charles.

[@DoublePMedia]

100% that's where the show is leading me in theories

[@PeacefulGanja]

I think Sazz wrote the script for the movie. Marshall stole it or Stubbins stole it. Marshall knew Sazz out in LA along with Stubbins (who worked out there on Ben’s movies) before he had facial hair, which is why Stubbins recognizes him and comments on the beard that he didn’t have previously (it was just Charles’ assumption that Stubbins had mistaken Marshall for Mabel). Alternatively, Stubbins (let’s not forget Ben had a grudge against Charles and Stubbins possibly learned this) stole the script from Sazz and gave it to Marshall. That’s why Sazz left a voicemail saying there was an issue. Therefore, Marshall is stressed about rewrites because he didn’t write it in the first place and is why the rewrites are being called awful by Zach. Also, the fact that Charles loves the way he is portrayed in the script could be further proof that Sazz wrote it, because she knows him so well and they have respect for each other. However, I’m not quite sure if this is enough motive for murder. Could it? Could Marshall be using the murder board to his advantage?

[@DoublePMedia]

Wow - now that's a great idea! Love your thought about "Charles loves how he's portrayed because Sazz wrote it"

[@amandachilds5290]

Oh yes that's a good point that the rewrites are ridiculously bad, but Marshall is smart and observant just from his murder board comments. I think he got shot because he noticed something and was trying to fix his imposter syndrome so he did something foolish like confront one of the killers. BUT I like that theory that Sazz was involved in script! I kept asking how did Sazz read the script to know it had a problem BEFORE the trio even read one email from Bev? Your idea might fit that Sazz or Jan, who is killer and bored in jail, may be writer of it and Sazz knew that Jan wrote it and wanted to let them know and use it to get away from old life!?!! Was Marshall Tim Kono's sibling? Hence the Lassie comment from Glen? Didn't Tim have a sister? Not sure. Glenn also thinks he is fighting rats so I wouldn't put much stock in him but I did wonder if that soda bread was poisoned and Charles is still a target... Lol

[@lonelyone]

It also confirms that Marshall is a shitty writer, because all of his corrections make the original script worse.

[@mobellescorner9702]

Oh you’re good, this makes a lot of sense

[@van8ryan]

Most are calling that Stubbins is the one who gets shot (and since he recognized "Lassie", which is likely Marshall's real Alias, or "nickname" as he could be a former stunt double who's a complete "weakling" or he's "playing" a meek character). Definitely a good bet.

[@Lovepeacejoy360]

So if Sazz called Bev about a problem with the Only Murders movie before she died, that means that Sazz knew about the movie before the trio. How did she know about it and the problem way before the trio? 🤔 Thanks for the shout out in this episode. You have the best videos on OMITB. I look forward to them every week!

[@DoublePMedia]

This film moved faster than any movie in history. Sazz wanted to talk to Charles about something 'sensitive' -- a film wouldn't be sensitive, would it?

[@van8ryan]

@@DoublePMedia She likely got informed on the movie since she resembles Charles so well, but she may've uncovered something about the production and was warning Charles NOT to support the project.

[@thomasahearn4142]

Sazz' voicemail proves that she knew about the OMITB movie before the trio did. Anyone else find that a little strange?

[@DoublePMedia]

If the tacky mat was there, does that mean the Movie Production was already in the penthouse?!?!

[@amandachilds5290]

A lot strange because it implies she knew a good bit about it enough to see a problem and find someone to talk to about it. We still don't know for sure she called Bev because she didn't say Becs name and we know the killer has Sazz's phone. What if Sazz called Marshall and left the message and he used Sazz's phone to call Bev and played his own voicemail to set up a messed up timeline? But I don't think he's the killer because something makes me think he got shot confronting or following a killer based on his last narration in the episode. It's just a gut feeling

[@ritaamor283]

Because she is part of the movie! I think that the movie is actually a live documentary about the trio, and that Sazz is alive, they just want to see the trio in action. Reality tv, a experimental movie from the Brothers Sisters! That’s why they have so many promotional things without any actual shooting. Just an idea :)

[@lonelyone]

@@amandachilds5290 I agree, it is significant that we don't know who Sazz intended that voicemail message for. It could just as easily have been Marshall if the theory that he actually stole Sazz's screenplay is correct. And with Marshall's 20/10 vision, he could have been the sniper and Sazz could have been the intended target.

[@cheri7054]

@@lonelyone The person getting the message wanted to silence Saz. They killed her to get the movie made. The writer really wants his break. He’s desperate. I believe the writer of the movie hurt Saz

[@en3788]

I've subscribed because I really do enjoy how you dissect each episode and go back through seasons and I always find myself looking for your reviews after an episode comes out. I genuinely appreciate how much effort you must have put into this. Just keep at it and you'll get there brother!

[@DoublePMedia]

THANK YOU!!!

[@loganwebb5449]

I bet Mabel pitches Howard's animal podcast to Bev.

[@DoublePMedia]

Bev seems to accept everything.

[@GetMiked]

This episode was wild! So much going on. I was convinced they were setting up Howard to be the one leaving the footprints as they focussed on him so much in the background without really focussing on him. I also wasn't sure there's actually going to be a shooting and it's a fakeout - like part of the plot of the movie taking place live and being done for shock value and marketing, but it seems like people are sure there is? Glen could be an interesting target and we've never had a second murder happen midway through a season before. I'm still sitting in the camp of 'Paramount won't allow themselves to be portrayed as employing a murderer' as they must have given permission for their lot in LA to be filmed, so I imagine there's some kind of contract there. I can't remember if I mentioned it in a previous comment but the timing of 'Sazz's' message to Charles earlier this season was extremely fishy. I definitely think the apartment is bugged, the secret passageways seem to have been forgotten about but maybe the Arconia have sealed the ones they know about since they were publically revealed through the podcast. I'm loving this season and I'm looking forward to more twists and turns!

[@dr.nazeerareem]

Hey Thanks for the shoutout! Its Dr Nazeera. After the 5th episode I think Bev and the Brother sisters are just to divert us, * I think Sazz is the one who wrote the script (as the script points out how amazing Charles is). Who know Charles better than Sazz? * May be Marshall stole the script from Sazz and sold it to Bev and somehow Sazz came to know about it and wanted to clear that "there is a problem with the movie" * May be Glen had seen Marshalll with Sazz before and recognized him and asked about the beard. * Remember when Sazz told Charles that she wanted to talk to him about something sensitive, may be she wanted to work as Charles in the movie (stuntman to face) and wanted Charles's approval. We all know Charles is a little sensitive about these things. * May be that's what she had shared with Dr Maggie that she is gonna retire (from the stuntman job) * May be Sazz was renting the Dudenoff's apartment to keep an eye on Charles and write the best script. (Looking at Charles) * Just a last guess is M Dudenoff Marshall Dudenoff or Maggie Dudenoff?? Also because of the script he would definitely know how to lure Howard out of the apartment for the audition!

[@DoublePMedia]

Sorry Dr Nazeera! I'll get your name correct next time.

[@georgieee905]

The “tap in” vs taping theory is brilliant

[@DoublePMedia]

It *could* be - we need more solid motives!!! :)

[@jordanburgess1502]

Probably been mentioned, however it pays to rewatch seasons of course. Currently playing S3 again. In E5 'Ah Love!' Sazz turns up. Her + Charles converse in his lounge and in the midst of it all she drops a casual mention about him being a potential target, her hand radio and so on.. I did think that was odd when the EP first dropped but let it slide as a passing comment until this season, even talks of people/things from the moment he opens the door to her. So many missed clues everywhere and it's great

[@jmcdonald.1998]

I'm now convinced it's Marshall P.Pope. I suspected him from episode 1, but now this episode showed us both that he 'had an alibi' that nobody was enthusiastic to check out, and he distracted Mabel during questioning with the fake beard.

[@amandachilds5290]

What's super weird is that Oliver's two look alikes have beards and so did Marshall. Isn't that weird to anyone else

[@DoublePMedia]

Writers love to make writer characters either the hero or the villain

[@lonelyone]

I also suspect Mr. Pope. I feel like his name must be an anagram for something.

[@fioree2532]

Like Mabel said in season 3, “killers like to invite themselves into investigations”

[@jmcdonald.1998]

just bumping this comment

[@barbielf9650]

The Taping is the best theory I've heard of so far ❤

[@DoublePMedia]

It does make sense - even if we don't know WHO was taping

[@NicoleHeaston]

You are my favorite KZbin sleuth. I found you when I started watching The After Party. I love your format, music, and theories.

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you! The Afterparty was a *bit* easier than this season! Do you have a top suspect?

[@NicoleHeaston]

@@DoublePMedia Not yet.

[@lonelyone]

I miss The Afterparty. Comedy mystery shows are my favorite. The more serious ones aren't quite as fun.

[@NicoleHeaston]

@@lonelyone It was so much fun.

[@jolee2987]

My theory is that it’s Marshall. I think he got to know Sazz in order to write the script and perhaps she helped write it too. And maybe he cut her out of the writing credits. That would explain a call to both Bev Melon and Charles. His line about returning to something he was good at.. feels like it will be a call back. Maybe his talent for shooting? I just can’t figure out who the accomplice moving Sazz’ body could be. Also alibi wise, who has a one hour comedy set as an amateur??? It is typically like 5 or 10 minutes. So no one actually verified this supposed alibi

[@johngoldsmith427]

Caling it now, we keep seeing Bev putting on, taking off glasses - why? She couldn't tell it was Sazz and not Charles

[@amandachilds5290]

Yeah we thought she was Jan's sister "perfect" and bought the rights to protect herself maybe and was looking for Jan and found the gun from the security guard Jan killed. We don't trust her fully either. Glenn also has Terrible vision because he thought Marshall was Mabel in a beard and he keeps "seeing" rats. Lol. I thought he was just there for comic relief but I keep going back to the Detective Williams first flashback where she talks about twins creeping her out and triplets is worse and that show where all the people live in a guy's head. We've had more twins, duality and triplets from Cinda Canning and her two look alike assistants to babies in musical and now triplets in mirrors at photo shoots. Twin paintings one is imposter painting and just all kinds of stuff that is purposeful but is it part of the LONG GAME solutions this or next season?

[@DoublePMedia]

Hmm, okay what's the motive?

[@Luke-yx5ve]

One of the best breakdowns on KZbin, just needs the algorithm to work for it and it'll explode.

[@DoublePMedia]

Please Algorithm, save us!

[@nehaw.]

I genuinely think that the brother sisters are a big red herring. Well for starters the footprint could be explained by them just looking from angles from the westside to film the trio

[@DoublePMedia]

I think Brothers sisters are red herrings too

[@amandachilds5290]

Yes or the shoe print planted or remember it was just partial print so maybe another shoe has the spiral on the ball but the heel is different and that's what Marshall saw and why he went to follow someone and maybe he got shot. The "tinsel" is probably a bigger clue whatever it is and next time we find out if the gun was the guard Jan killed or whose it was from Det Williams

[@letstalkgaming2097]

If it was them and it happened how Mabel imagines it, how would Saz have had time to write 'tap in?'

[@Kristina-gz2wu]

I just watched the newest episode. Part of my theory has crumbles, or has it? I was thinking it was the neighbor's husband bc he's jealous of Brazos bc his wife has a crush on him. So I thought it was him and the twins. OMITB said someone saw the landlord around town so did he really die in the incinerator like sazz? Or was it a spare part he had from years ago and had a newer one put in? I wonder if it's someone from each side of the building. But, how did the producer know where sazz' retirement property was, how did she find the gun and how did she know where the light switch was? I wonder if it's another, the producer did it, thing. But what about Jan? How did she know who that guy was in order to say she saw him around the villages? Things that make you go, hmmm. Will mable be the next target?

[@DoublePMedia]

Don't think anyone has been eliminated yet (tho I think the Brothers Sisters are guilty) Keep your eye on the Sauce family

[@BMoney8600]

I am watching this with my parents and ever since I started watching your videos I have started paying way more attention when new episodes come out as well as when I watch them with my parents.

[@DoublePMedia]

Hell yeah! Thank you! We need everyone on the clue crew!

[@BMoney8600]

@@DoublePMedia I told my parents about your channel, maybe before we watch tonight’s episode I’ll watch this video with them to see what they think.

[@lonelyone]

Haha, it just occurred to me that you're a podcast producer too. I'm intimately familiar with the works of Charlie Kaufman and Adaptation so this was a fun episode for me. I think (if I'm discarding the Sazz is Moriarty theory) that Marshall is a good candidate for being involved. I made a long comment on the reddit discussion about this, but basically, he's had the most time to prepare for this (being a fan of the podcast) and it's most likely he would have gotten his alibi straight since he was imagining being interviewed by the trio for months. Also, we never see his standup set, so his alibi for that night isn't even confirmed. Someone else on reddit brainstormed that maybe Marshall didn't write the script at all. Maybe he stole it from Sazz. And maybe that's why she was calling about a "problem" on the set. Maybe she was trying to get the movie shut down. Maybe Sazz WAS the intended target (if Marshall was the sniper, he has 20/10 vision!) and he needed to shut her up from squealing that he stole her screenplay. Of course, we know there are at least 2 people involved, so I'm not sure who the accomplice would be. (There's still a part of me that thinks Sazz staged her own death, but you don't seem to want to go down this particular rabbit hole with me.) TAPING is an interesting theory I hadn't heard before. I do think Charles's apartment is possibly bugged and they were listening in on the ham radio, but I'm not sure exactly what "taping" would be in reference to here. Also, that would confirm the Westies are involved--unless there's someone else using a ham radio (Helga?). The Dr. Maggie/Helga connection is something I think you mentioned in a past video. In Cinda Canning's appointment book, she had two massages scheduled with Helga, and Dr. Maggie is the only masseuse we know of on the show. Who knows how good the continuity is on this show, or maybe it's just a coincidence. A few people (including me) have speculated that the "shot" at the end of the episode could have been a set light falling down and exploding. Howard exclaims "Someone's been shot!" but he does have a tendency towards the dramatic, so that doesn't exactly confirm anything.

[@DoublePMedia]

don't tell my parents that I'm podcast producer... I want to be able to come home for Thanksgiving :)

[@kikikiwi9990]

I am LOVING this season so so so so much! The mystery is so heavy this season and twisted

[@kitkatz3859]

Thank God you're here this episode has me questioning my own reality 😭

[@DoublePMedia]

If a body falls in Charles' apartment and no one heard it, did it make a sound?

[@kitkatz3859]

@@DoublePMedia only once the body hits the incinerator! 🫠

[@sapphire_willow]

It’s funny, I was rewatching old clips and something stood out: in the first episode, Oliver tried to apologize to Charles for never casting him in any of the roles he auditioned for, to which Charles says he’s never auditioned for him; Oliver replies “You’re not Scott Bakula?” If anything I think that might be who poisoned Winnie, with the motive of wanting revenge for never getting a role when Oliver was casting for something.

[@DoublePMedia]

Justice for Winnie! Sazz! Who else has been hurt by this crew? Scott Bakula :)

[@momohill]

I commented a couple weeks ago about my idea that Eugene Levy could be mistaken for Charles. Maybe the sound was him getting shot? (I don't want this to be true though, we love Eugene levy!)

[@MeanBob866]

Great idea with the whole ‘taping’ thing, but I’m still sticking with my idea that ‘tap in’ was a literal instruction on what Charles needs to do to catch the killer. Who will Charles tap in now that Sazz is dead? Eugene Levy, of course, because as the dub voice of Brazzos, he can imitate Charles’ voice in order to trick the culprit!

[@Conan1996]

Hey Double P great video as always I am really enjoying this season, much harder to figure out than season 2 and 3. There aren't as many clues as I'd liked and the tinsel problem is still bugging me. I still think Sazz was the intended target. We know that she knew at least one big secret: possibly the Dudenoff secret but am leaning more towards the Hollywood secret. For me it might be about Marshall being a fraud or somehow related to Charles' past? Also, he might be Dudenoff? If Sazz called Bev then it means that: 1- they are acquaintances at least. She was probably going to be a stunt double for Eugene Levy. That's why she got to know before the trio. 2-Since she told Bev, Bev's clearly not the main problem within the Hollywood bubble and probably not the murderer. Also, i might be missing something, but why is no one considering the possibility of the killer starting the incinerator BEFORE killing Sazz in order to confuse the investigation? This would require someone that knows the building pretty well and smart enough to know that the trio would consider the 2-killer solution when they realise that the timeline doesn't match. I would love to see that. I might be going in the wrong direction, but My biggest bet is still on Marshall. He is the one that pointed out the faulty timeline so it checks out. So yeah: am thinking that Marshall was an old Arconia tenant, possibly Dudenoff himself, with a grudge towards one member of the trio or all of them.

[@alexbeeby1927]

Even though they want us to think Charles was the intended target, what if that’s the misdirect, it’s exactly what the killer wants the trio and Charles to think, the goal is to make him paranoid and it’s working Sazz could have been the intended target then she could have found out a secret regarding the movie, if she spread it the killers chance at a Hollywood career would be over perhaps before it even started, it could take years for them to get another offer like that again or they won’t get one at all, they don’t want to risk that, they want to be remembered through this film and the secret could jeopardise that, out of desperation to save their career they plot the murder of Sazz and execute it, disposing of the body how they did because they wanted this to look like a botched hit on the wrong person, if the trio were to think that Charles was the target, then they’d be distracted protecting Charles, allowing the killer to move forward with the next step of the plan, Glen’s killed because he knows something that the killer doesn’t want anyone to know, then at the end of the season, they target Charles for real This season is focusing a lot on doubles, stunt doubles, acting doubles, a person pretending that they’re their something their not, two killers and if someone was shot at the end of episode 5, then there’s two victims It could have always been the killer’s plan to take out Charles, just not yet

[@DoublePMedia]

ALEX! I've always thought Sazz was the target, even last season episode 10. I don't have a great motive yet

[@theraves4956]

Only Murders In The Building - Season 4 Tin Foil Hat theory after Episode 5 This season and the Movie about the podcast point directly to the very beginning of season 1. I think Marshall has been observing the trio since they first met. I also think that he’s been watching Mabel for even longer. This is because she is in possession of information or is suspicious of someone or something that is a threat to someone very powerful. When season 1 opens, we see Mabel walking down the street in her orange outfit. So why is Marshall paying attention to her? Even though she looks very distinctive, there are literally thousands of people in New York that look more outrageous than her. We see her as she initially meets both Oliver and Charles, neither of whom have met each other before, and the trio is born. This is also the only time the trio is dressed in these clothes that season. That means someone would have to have seen this at the time. A fly on the wall. Why would Marshall be watching her first and then all of them later? Could it be that like the other “Westies” he’s the right kind of weirdo that Dudenoff took in and allowed to live in the West tower in return for a favor… An aspiring writer that needed help and in return, reported what he saw and heard directly to Dudenoff while also secretly creating a screenplay? Who is Dudenoff? Who would have money and power… and a secret to protect? Who might actually own the Arconia? Who might have used the pretense of shutting down a Bordello in the West tower to take the expensive and drastic step of sealing it off from the North and South towers as well as the East tower? Surely the permits necessary to do such extensive work would be on file somewhere with the name of the owner listed. Who has a criminal enterprise that could have been in jeopardy when Oscar was released from prison and set the stage for meeting Mabel after 10 years? Teddy Dimas. He’s had to take several drastic measures to protect Theo, himself and his criminal business and he isn’t afraid to do whatever he has to do. I also think he is Dudenoff. This is exactly the sort of information that might have gotten Sazz killed if she knew it and was about to reveal it to Charles. There are still plenty of holes to be filled, and this doesn’t solve every outstanding mystery, but I feel strongly that Teddy Dimas is behind a lot of this. Lastly, I think this may be a two part season. I think it could end without solving a “murder”, if there has actually been one, and will continue as part 2 next year.

[@DoublePMedia]

Detailed breakdown

[@johnkingery111]

Tin Hat Theory #2: Bev Melon has a twin (or a stunt double?) trying to ruin the movie. In this episode Bev Melon in the shed could prove her whereabouts, but was using the photo of her twin sister. Up in the penthouse, Bev Melon uses elevator to look for someone in the lobby as the trio enter. In the next scene, Bev Melon is getting off the elevator in the Penthouse claiming she has been looking for Mabel. Wasn't she a bit too excited about "people and button's" idea for a podcast? Could Twin Bev be working with one of the Brothers sisters to ruin film? To extend the tin hat theory--I go back to the number 4 repeating in the first 2 episodes. Where there four people involved in Sazz's fate? Loving this season and this episode was by far my favorite!!! Thank you for the videos.

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you for your theory. Double Bev

I think that the writer is the killer IF Glen was shot. When Glen saw the writer, Glen said “when did you grow a beard?” with Charles replying “that isn’t Mabel.” I know that’s played as a joke but what if Glen had seen the writer and Sazz talking at the bar (maybe about the movie script), and the writer wasn’t wearing the beard at the time? So asking when he grew a beard was a giveaway for the writer that Glen saw him and Sazz, and he needs to be taken care of Glen has 20/10 vision (good for a shooter), and this could fit in with the theory that Sazz wrote the script and the writer stole it

[@DoublePMedia]

I will be looking hard at Marshall too if Glen was shot

[@georgieee905]

You are my favourite commentator on this show always love your insights! Any chance Sazz wrote the script for the movie? Would explain why the writer knew so much about the trio never having met them..? Either the writer stole it, or for some reason maybe the secret Sazz discovered possibly about the Westies stuff she decided to retire/go into hiding so she just anonymously dropped the script off to him a struggling writer before she was killed and he’s taken credit for it hence he’s so weird and freaking out about re-writes/edits. I’m also starting to wonder if the stunt double played by Paul Rudd wasn’t just a double but actually a twin of something..? Why go to the effort of every other person having a distinctly different actor as a double but not Paul Rudd? Or maybe the Ben Glenroy season was all fake or set up- someone planned it all to eventually have it as one of the movies about the podcast with the draw of a celeb victim..? Also is it possible Charles was the target because someone in the film/production wanted to write a script for the final project/movie or season where of the podcast is where Mabel and Oliver solving Charles murder ..? Waaay to many possibilities right now. Other option Sazz was genuinely shot but survived she shoved something else down the incinerator and set it off planted the metal implants in the incinerator and is secretly working behind the scenes to catch the killer and stop them reaching their real target Charles ..? So when she reveals she “faked her death” it wasn’t with malicious intent but to save Charles.

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you for saying that. and YES so many possibilities. Charles will need to convert his wall to cork board for all the murder boards :)

[@georgieee905]

@@DoublePMedia literally! Also another side point that makes me wonder if Sazz is alive (under theory she was shot and let the killer to believe she died) is the fact we haven’t heard anything from Jan since she was in Charles apartment and fled.. could she and Sazz be working together behind the scenes to try to get the killer to reveal themselves ? Because otherwise where did she go..? Seems odd she wouldn’t show up again for so many eps

[@rezenpremium]

I don’t think Marshall has Impostor Syndrome, maybe he’s just an Impostor. Sazz probably wrote the script for the movie but got it stolen from her somehow. She’s been in countless movie sets and clearly passionate, but she’s retiring from stunt-doubling and taking her career into the less physically demanding art of writing. Maybe her difficult relationship is with this career shift? Would explain why she even knew about the movie existing pre-production.

[@DoublePMedia]

I've seen that idea from others --- but wouldn't there have been some sign of scriptwriting in her L.A. apartment? Show needs to give us more clues

[@ICRockets]

I hadn't been particularly suspicious of anyone associated with the movie before this episode because there was no indication Sazz knew anything about it, but now that that's changed there is a chance Zach Galifianakis could be involved. The episode where the cast shadows the podcast trio was the one that heavily featured the Perfect Strangers theme. Perfect Strangers was about distant cousins. This episode had the bit about *producers*. Zach said he was on the phone with his agent in his previous appearance badmouthing Oliver, but what if he was actually talking to.....his distant cousin Teddy Dimas?

[@ThePinkPurples]

Always look forward to your videos. Thank you!

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you for saying that. I appreciate all the support :)

[@sarahvanorden670]

I still don't know who did it but I agree that Glen was shot and what if each of the main trio's stunt doubles get shot - because Sazz doubled for Charles and now potentially Glen

[@DoublePMedia]

We're thinking alike --- Watch out Eva!!!

[@SmallishFry]

I absolutely LOVE your solving videos since finding your Murder At The End Of The World videos, Only Murders is up there with one of my favourite shows so as soon as this season came out I ran for your videos! I myself don't want to believe the Sazz faked her death theory (as much as I love Jane Lynch and Sazz, and would be happy to see her alive, somehow I feel like it would diminish the show a bit when previous murders have been real?) I never would have clocked the Loretta theory without your videos tbh, but I can definitely see it with the point that if Charles *was* the intended target that the killer (s) would have to have realised at some point that they killed the wrong person, which would require a) going into Charles' apartment to check that he's actually dead-and finishing it off if he wasn't, b) going back to the party and then seeing Charles in person in front of them or c) listening to the podcast to hear no Charles or info about him having disappeared and then hearing Charles himself (which puts Marshall into my suspects list after this episode since he said he listened and was such a big fan, add onto the fact he still doesn't really have an alibi, since none of the trio wanted to see his stand-up-stop him after a couple minutes of watching, you don't need to watch the whole hour? Though I found it hilarious that none of em wanted to watch *any* of it). I feel like there's something suspicious about the Westies but it doesn't have anything to do with the murder at all-it's just a big throw off, and it's someone in Hollywood or from before. I do believe "tap in" was just that, as much as I love the taping theory too, because she knew Charles would know what it means. The time and location of Sazz's call to Bev is suspicious for me, how she knew about the movie I feel like maybe she was being looked into as a stunt double for Eugene/Charles, because she's always been, why stray from the norm. As for the problem, maybe she thought Charles was actually going to star in it and she had a problem with Eugene being him? Idk, I can't guess anything further than her being looked into as a potential stunt double. I have my own little loose tinhat theory that no one I know has accused yet, going by Charles still being the victim- Eugene Levy! The episode where they confront Vince together pushed this into me; the way he was so ecstatic to be tailing him, and the details he knew about Brazzos down to the episode(yes he was the dub but still I found it odd), he's such a big fan of Charles'. So he would listen to the podcast aswell- in turn finding out Charles is still alive. Would a huge fan try and kill him? Probably not but potentially, if you're a celebrity fan-Brazzos reboot/spin off? Want to actually be Brazzos? You won't be while the real one is still alive. Maybe Hollywood beef while Charles was doing Brazzos, we don't know. I can't come up with proper motive but that and there was something he said in that episode aswell, I'd have to go back and rewatch that scene, seemed so weird to me. There's a few dots that do fit though for me; him being a fan, being Charles in the movie(closer to him and that was Sazz's problem, she somehow knew what was planned-maybe back to the being looked into as a stunt double, you're getting a killer closer to Charles), he wears glasses! I think I read somewhere Eugene has a lazy eye or something and that's why? But if he took the glasses off to shoot...And a celebrity of his status would easily have enough cash to hire someone to clean up once he realised it was the wrong person, right? And keep it hush hush. He didn't do much this episode apart from dance with Charles so I can't latch anything to it this week. If the one who was shot was Charles' other double, this loose theory is still alive in my brain haha. It's *very* loose, but I'm not slashing him off MY murder board just yet.

[@DoublePMedia]

THANK YOU. Murder at the End of the World was a crazy one. But a Eugene Levy killer would be wild!

[@johnsullivan6843]

No theories from me this video, but some of the production touches I really liked this time were 1) if Oliver were to dig out any of his workout gear it would indeed be from the early 1980s, 2) the John McEnroe shouting cameo on the NYC streets and 3A) do your own Google search of 'standard shooting target images,' then 3B) go to 13:32 of this breakdown see that the shooting target image used here is pretty standard, except that this one includes Charles' hat style! 🤣🤠

[@DoublePMedia]

I loved the hat on the shooting target too!

[@laurenbruno8214]

What I keep focusing on is the timeline between sazz leaving the trio and her getting shot, and what prompted sazz to make that phone call to bev. The voicemail said that sazz was told bev was the one to call. So im assuming she's never met bev before. How did sazz end up being the one to go get the wine? Did she have a mini talk with Charles beforehand, and that's why she ended up grabbing the wine? Also, heard this theory and loved it. The trio were talking about a cold case, then sazz walks in saying "I've got a cold case for ya", she had the idea there was another murderer in the building, could it have been the cold case murderer? And could that cold case victim be the real tenant of the dudenoff apartment? The apartment looks like it hasn't been touched in 30 years

[@DoublePMedia]

imo - the timeline doesn't make sense (but I think they mean for us to think it's true). Death Rattle Dazzle ends at say 10pm. They go to Arconia for opening night party. After 1 hour, all the guests have left and the podcast trio finishes recording their last podcast at Oliver's by 11:19pm?!?

[@amandachilds5290]

Yes there is still something about Dudenoff and "him" looking like Sazz that's not come up so the Westies are still hiding things and Helga still needs more investigation

[@laurenbruno8214]

Yeah, it doesn't make sense at all. Especially with getting the job done and cleaned up in 12 min. Also, if there were 2 killers, why didnt the one that supposedly disposed of the body not do the kill as well? So many questions! Haha @DoublePMedia

[@laurenbruno8214]

​@@amandachilds5290yes! The westies are definitely hiding something

[@yenirodriguezvaldes547]

I keep watching Charles saying that HE IS GOING TO GET THE WINE but he never does that... then he is talking about Sazz going to get the wine but never coming back??? There is a cut we are not seeing.

[@spoonfullasugar5613]

This might be a tin foil hat theory but what if… Saz the phone calls did put Saz at calling Bev Melon at 2:07 AM EST because.. they were planting the phone call to show to the trio.. Because… Saz wasn’t murdered. In fact there was no murder at all because the show isnt leading up to a movie being made, it’s ALREADY BEING MADE!!! and this entire scenario is being coordinated by the production team so that can make a film where the trio is actually solving a “murder.” Like a Truman Show situation!!!

[@mckenziewilkes]

I love watching your videos each week, they give me so much to chew on! I found this episode really funny and entertaining, but I was yelling at the screen “it obviously would take two killers!!” during Charles’ timeline explanation and I was frustrated feeling like I was so far ahead of the characters. The sisters’ shoes matching really points to them, but it seems too obvious… I’m so lost this season!

[@dugferd2266]

Ooh, missing G on TAP IN. Remember episode 1 where the envelope that had LOOKING AT CHARLES written on it, but there was another paper (strategically perhaps) covering the G of the word LOOKING? Maybe it's one of those sneaky visual clues that corroborates/foreshadows a clue.

[@DoublePMedia]

Hadn't thought of that - SMART!

[@AmyS79]

They've been shot could also refer to inanimate things, not just a person or people. You know how dramatic Howard is.

[@DoublePMedia]

LOL - if we come back and the tacky mats have been shot, someone's gotta slap Howard :)

[@jt279]

My killer theory: o Bev Melon wanted to eliminate Sazz because she was getting too close to finding out the problem with the OMITB movie, which was confirmed with Sazz’s call to her. Unbeknownst to Sazz, Bev was actually the one who called the hit on her. o Bev goes to Sazz’s Trampoline camp to find and destroy any evidence Sazz might have uncovered. o Bev hired an assassin who lived in the Arconia’s west tower (Rudy, who has no alibi) to take Sazz out. o Rudy, by using secret passageways between the 2 buildings and also in great physical condition, was able to complete the job in 11 minutes. o A professional assassin wouldn’t make a mistake like leaving a shoe print behind, unless it was done intentionally to mislead the cops. Rudy could have used one of Helga’s shoes to make the print. o Something in Marshall’s script risks exposing some other criminal activity/history from Season 1. On behalf of the Moriarty character (maybe Dudenoff?) Bev has been instructed to eliminate Sazz and Marshall from the equation.

[@adambernstein18]

I still think it was Loretta. The group says that Sazz’s murder was committed by two people and one of them had to be athletic. Loretta could’ve fired the gun and Jack Jonk could’ve easily moved Sazz’s body. A lot of people suspected Loretta as the killer last season and she’s barely been in this season which is suspicious.

[@lonelyone]

Loretta is currently getting the jonk jonked out of her

[@DoublePMedia]

I could believe Loretta ... but we need her back on the show., she hasn't appeared since episode 1!

[@boomerangerful]

Hi, blind viewer here. Firstly, i'd like to say i truly enjoy your content and the community. Loving the theories that you guys shared. One thing i'd like to add is that if you turn on the audio description and watch s3e10 right when saz entered charles' room, , the narrator says "a figure with a hat and suit moves to the kitchen **bang!** They fall" Not sure if this is accurate. Let me know. I find it strange why both of them fell and this might answer if there are 2 killers involved.

[@DoublePMedia]

I watched that scene with the audio description enabled, and I think that the voice is simply trying to describe what each picture looks like. Not sure there's a clue

[@sweetjess826]

I feel like it may be a red herring. It sounds like a gunshot, but it's possible maybe a piece of equipment falling or a prop gun going off. The Brothers sisters are also a red herring. I don't think they would give us the killers just yet.

[@johnhartvigsen7751]

When Bev told the trio about her alibi that she was in LA, why didn't they ask how Bev knew about the "retirement" location, when it wasn't immediately remembered by Charles. How did Bev get there? The gun was a revolver not a semi-automatic: you must pull the trigger for each shot.

[@me11owdd]

Yes! I thought the multiple shots was weird! Why keep shooting after you thought it wasn’t loaded

[@davidsmilerarandomkiwifrom6045]

Something I noticed is that Bev's drink bottle disappeared (during the by the elevator scene). Dunno if I'm over reaching also who attacked Glen during the Charles photoshoot

[@DoublePMedia]

Correct, when Bev saw Oliver, she put down her water bottle -- it disappears

[@ShinyHunterSolyu]

I’m theorizing before listing to the video. I think it has to be Rudy who helped with the murder. With someone from Hollywood. Maybe he wanted to get out of his whole typecast of being Christmas themed etc now the shooter? Be crazy if it was Eva Longoria 😂

[@DoublePMedia]

Eva's got her hand in so many things... even MURDER!

[@A.W-w6t]

My theory: The circle pattern in the footprint was the foot of a tripod, the killer used a remote controlled gun to make the shot. The Brothers sisters created their shoes based on this clue as official podcast memorabilia

[@DoublePMedia]

100% - I've worked with Tripods with a very similar 'footprint' - we are in uncharted waters with all the suspects and clues!

[@kreestenkreesten]

Thank you! I always look forward to your posts.

[@DoublePMedia]

I appreciate your feedback!

[@van8ryan]

Just realized Ana from the "Squatters Squad" family looks really similar to the Brothers Sisters, so it could be Poole and her teaming up. Poole is on the set so he could've be involved with the shooting. Glenn is likely the one that got shot since he recognized "Poole" (or "Lassie"; "Poole" may actually be an alias). He could've gotten the gig from Ana citing him for the Sisters. How they connect with Sass is the larger question.

[@MaxRebo-jj7dw]

The I’m watching you message the trio all receive on their phones matches the handwriting from the note I’m watching you that Jan received on her door is season 1. So as Sazz had noted on one her notes in her apartment the long game this goes all the way back to Season 1. Plus it would have to be someone who knew Charles and Sazz well so could still be Joy.

[@DoublePMedia]

100% Max, but don't spoil tomorrow's video 😀

[@jt279]

My thoughts on Marshall: o Glen mistook Marshall for Mabel; being a stunt performer Glen would be more attuned to observing body language, perhaps the writers are suggesting Marshall moves like a female? o Marshall has trouble growing facial hair o The term “Lesbian Brother” could suggest a transgendered male; could this be Marshall? This would fit with the theme of doubles and Adaptation. If this is true, then Marshall has a secret that Sazz may have uncovered, but that may still not be a strong enough motive for murder.

[@finlaybeaton2124]

So.... This may be verging on a TFHT but. Sazz volunteers to go and get the bottle.(season 3) Sass had a relationship she was trying to get out of Tap in, she took the hit for Charles Sass went to the apartment on purpose because she was in pain and at the end of her career. She knew someone was out for Charles. She went there on purpose to get shot by the killer. This would also ensure that the OMITB team would find the killer at full strength I.e. not without Charles. A step too far maybe is that she set the gun herself (stunt tape) in order to make sure that she took the bullet, while framing someone before they had the chance to actually commit the murder. Is she still alive? it is possible, the super human speed that it took to dispose of the body is questionable. It also means it is a win win, the killer is caught without getting Charles, she gets out of her difficult relationship (scott bakula maybe) no questions asked.

[@DoublePMedia]

Hopefully I've written this before but your feedback is great because it always makes me question things!

[@nroberts479]

Taping theory is interesting; that theory could also go back to when Bunny died and right before she died she said "sandwich" and for awhile they all thought she said "savage". This could be a similar situation.

[@L0REN0R2Z0RR0]

I doubt that Loretta even thinks about other men, but Oliver's jealousy will probably ruin the relationship after all. Either that, or she's involved in the murder, if it's a murder :D

[@DoublePMedia]

There is NO WAY that Loretta has been Jonked!

[@joyyoung3108]

I agree with the theory of tape recording or bugging the apartments. If the tinsel is part of a tape to record the Murder Trio. That means The Brothers Sisters were sneaking in the apartments to record them, which is why we saw the footprint. One sister could have placed a tap on the Westie apartment and the other in Charles apartment.

[@DoublePMedia]

I'm not sure its the Brothers sisters or another... I'm still confused about EVERYTHING

[@Prior2Popular]

BRO YOUR TAPING THEORY WAS AMAZING 😮 IT VERY WELL MIGHT BE THE CASE

[@DoublePMedia]

Every week, our Tin-Foil Hat Theories can't be beat

[@DanSlam-ei6kt]

Some of the pronunciations are wild. Potomac got me

[@filmerdude24]

I have a Marshall P Pope theory in my video for this episode-one I've been saying since episode one: Marshall P. Pope stole Sazz's script. He didnt write it becuase he was steugglign with it. In fact, he was introducedto Sazz by HELGA who wanted Sazz for stunt double for her, but was unsuccessful in landing jobs due to her physical traits (just like Sazz). All of this made Sazz realized it's time to hang up the stuntman cape and also realized her script is missing. The rest in in my video but that's the basic gist of it the Marshall theory/Four Killer Theory (which includes Rudy AND emotional motivation!!!)

[@DoublePMedia]

I like it... however if this is the solution, I'd be upset with the show not planting clues that Sazz was a writer in her L.A. apartment. I've not seen any clues that Sazz was writing a screenplay

[@momohill]

Always look forward to these videos!!

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you! I look forward to your comments :)

[@gigipicard]

I think Xmas tree guy shot Sazz and Vince disposed of the body. When asked if he shot Charles he said he hates Christmas. He gave a confession and not a denial. He's a hunter! And remember the mogul comment! He said I'm a mogul myself. Vince didn't have pink eye in the photo, but got it after. I think he developed it when he went to check on the ash and it got in his eye. But I think the fireman stunt double is involved too. Remember the non flammable material. If firemen use it, it could be from the stunt man from Concussions.

[@lukacunningham342]

I have to say, as a fellow writer, I feel bad for Marshall. He dresses himself up as his idol and you can see through his acting and narration that he wants specifically to make this movie, like how I usually specifically want to make one book before getting the next idea. He is the one guy (sans the trio and detective) I wouldn’t go for “He’s the killer”, I’d more go for “Do you want a hug?” For once I agree with the detective, there’s too many suspects. 4,000 is a stretch but I don’t want to actually count the-oh no, I’m already counting! First of all, we have the Westies, that’s Joe, the Sauce Family and Christmas-All-the-Time-Guy (I forgot their names) so five. Then, we have the Warner production crew (Bev, the Brothers Sisters, Marshall, Eugene, Zach and Eva) so seven people. Then there’s the people at the bar but due to mystery standards, I’ll only name Glen and Dr Maggie as they were the only ones named. With that, that is a total of fourteen, so only 14 f*cking suspects, Detective! (please never make me do this again). Also, this is a thought I just had about this episode being mostly about the movie adaptation. If you want to make a movie or a book or a play, here’s my advice: don’t make the book or movie or play you’d think others would watch or read, make one that YOU’D want to watch. While it sounds a bit narcissistic, it is incredibly not. If you want to watch a movie or want others to see a movie about comedy involving a cat, make that movie! It may take some time but at least you’ll make the movie you wanted. I have to say *FINALLY! BLACK-GLOVED TV SHOW KILLERS ARE BACK!* The last time I saw those was in gosh darn “Columbo”. And may I add this: Lester’s surname is Doorman. Irony or faith? Irony or faith? Now, on a more serious note, I like how this cliffhanger ended on a solemn note, they knew full well that the last thing we didn’t need after hearing gunshots was their usual happy song. But that implies that someone actually got murdered. (the first time since season one there was another murder) But who died? One of the Brothers sisters? Howard? Just a random stranger? We may never know until next week on “Only Murders in the Building”.

[@carolineutz2211]

7:10 Nah at least with iPhones, they display what time the call was made based on the timezone you’re currently in, not the one you were in when you made/received it

[@GenXMind67]

Not to toot my own horn but...HONK! Last week I did put my thoughts out there that two people were involved in what happened with Sazz...either together or in tandem. Anyhoo...as far as the Brother Sisters are concerned, well, hmmm...yeah, they are strong, so one could have grabbed Sazz while the other cleaned up. As far as the missing bag is concerned, I'm leaning toward Jan having taken it. Working on the why. Twelve minutes is just such a slim timeframe. So, could it be three not two? The twins and Bev? Bev stating she rec'd a call from Sazz eleven-ish tells me she was in NYC not L.A. Why was Bev in NYC? My next theory: the person that called Bev wasn't Sazz. Sazz's voice was a recording. But when was this recorded? Jonk is a character that may be a former childhood friend, brother, half-brother or son of someone living in the building because OMITB really loves creating those kinds of characters for the show. This character, however, once revealed, will be too obvious...right?

[@DoublePMedia]

#KeepHonking :)

[@SRPDEB]

I had a thought. Do we know if Sazz is an only child. Maybe she has a Twin Sister and that Twin Sister found herself in a bit of trouble and the only way they thought of getting out of it is by killing Sazz and taking her life. They probably needed to finish a few thing up before they could take up her life though - perhaps faking there own death or getting plastic surgery. However because the trio found out about Sazz's death they had to scrap the plan. Reasons I though of this is because we have several characters we still haven't seen yet like Dudenoff and Helga even though were half way into the season. The theme of doubles & siblings in the season and of course all the foreshadowing of Sazz faking her death. I really can't see them focusing on Charles grieff to just then bring back but I can see a fake out of someone that looks like them coming up and pretending to be her. It was test Charles character and be a good sign of acceptance and it would give some meaning to the Tap In clue. Does anybody agree with me.

[@DoublePMedia]

We don't know - when she was on the trampoline, she was with her mom and dad with no other siblings around.

[@lonelyone]

Oh, please no more twins...

[@marilynkoziol6811]

@@DoublePMedia Who was taking the video?

[@lukacunningham342]

“Who shot who?” At the Copa! COPACABANA! Music and fashion were always the passion at the Copa, she lost her love

[@DoublePMedia]

I'm pretty sure Rico shot Tony.... she lost her love

[@Residentevilfan1989]

I honestly felt like it is 2 people based on your last video, cuz what happened this week? They addressed it in a comedic way. Charles imagines how to get from the west to east in a short time, lol. I felt if this universe is more grounded than detective Batman, then it can't be 1 strong man doing without anyone noticing. The shows writers know another mastermind is overused at this point. How to keep it fresh? Bonnie and Clyde it so to speak, partners in crime.

[@saltydawg35]

I had a thought while watching this. Usually, the location on a voicemail shows where the call was sent from meaning the voicemail from sazzs phone was in LA when it called Bevs phone

[@DoublePMedia]

I'm ready to cancel my AT&T bill over this confusion :)

[@emmabrister747]

Ok here is my theory on who was shot. The person who was shot at the end of episode 5 is Eugene levy or the unnamed stunt double standing in for Charles in the photo shoot. Everything up until this point has been a misdirect as our trio has been operating under the assumption that Sazz was the killers target. This is not possible, because the only person the killer could have reasonably expected to walk into Charles’ apartment alone dressed like Charles that night was Charles. They would have had no way of expecting Sazz to go in there instead of him. The killer is still trying to get charles and has shot Eugene levy or the stunt double by mistake at the photo shoot, again mistaking them for Charles because all three were dressed exactly the same. I think it’s also possible they were both shot which is why Howard says “they’ve been shot” once the screen goes black at the end of episode 5. I think this will be the turning point where the trio begins to suspect that they are seriously in danger and also the point at which they begin looking for people’s motive in killing Charles not Sazz.

[@emmabrister747]

Also I don’t think it’s Glen that was shot because from the reactions of Mabel, Charles and the one brothers sister the sound of the shot seems to be coming from the other side of the studio, and Glen, Oliver, and zach are all behind Mabel and Charles by the mirrors. If that was the case the shooter would be seen by Charles and Mabel when they turn around.

[@DoublePMedia]

Let me raise my hand and write: When the 'stunt-double/stand-in' for Charles came out... I thought it was actor Bryan Cranston

[@jonnarachele]

I might be so late to the party on this one, but I just noticed Sazz Pataki said quickly sounds a little like ‘spit-take’.

[@KK-zc8eo]

Lester hmmmm he should know all the building secrets right? And he seems so eager to let everyone know he has a past in film. Also, how was he alerted to the bullet hole in Charles' window? Somebody called him out of the blue that Charles wanted it replaced while our trio was out in LA.

[@DoublePMedia]

While everything you wrote is correct, we will not allow any Lester slander on this channel :)

[@KK-zc8eo]

@DoublePMedia agreed poor Lester - but this season is tidying up the loose ends of all the previous ones, so I can't help but think of who and how - the why now is kinda obvious. Wish this place had dms cause a publication spoiled it all the way to even Ep.7 for me...

[@14omoon]

The timing of that Bevs call has me super suspicious! 11:07pm LA time, youre so right, is 2:07am NY time! I think Bev was lying about not being NY! And the way shes acting is not sitting right with me!

[@jt279]

After a bit of research, it appears some phones has an automatic time zone setting (e.g. iPhone) where the timestamps of messages will automatically re-adjust based on location, i.e. Bev may have received the message at 8:07 LA time, but when she is in New Jersey it will re-adjust to show 11:07pm EDT.

[@14omoon]

@@jt279 I see, I guess it would also depend on what time she was called at the benefit, or party, too.

[@kayldee1215]

I think the tinsel is from Tawny’s boot, used as decorative lace with the blue ribbon.

[@DoublePMedia]

Hadn't heard that idea, but it's smart!

[@kayldee1215]

@@DoublePMediaI took a close up photo and enlarged it and can see one tinsel on her inside left boot.

[@jolenemarie6730]

I don't think it's a joke. Tinfoil hat theory. Marshall is a woman. That's why Glen says, "When did you grow the beard, Lass?" Marshall is not Marshall. He's a woman in disguise. Even crazier theory, is it Helga?

[@DoublePMedia]

Boy, this is getting 'tin foil'-y :) We need a feminine version of the name Marshall --- Marcia?

[@jolenemarie6730]

He's always looked like a woman to me, and when Mable asked about the beard, I was like, "That's it. He's a woman with a fake beard." Glen solidified it for me. And, maybe that's why Marshall shot him.

[@lonelyone]

My theory is that he's such a fan of Mabel that he dresses up as her on weekend drag night at the stuntman bar. That's what Glen was referring to, and getting him mixed up with Mabel.

[@GayleenFroese]

You are an exceptionally bright human and I love the way your brain works. That is all. :)

[@erichollywood9181]

One thing that has been playing on my mind is if you google 'only murders in the building' and look at the cast list you see Tobert and Alice near the top of the list. Are they hinting that we could be seeing them both soon, we are getting a documentary episode next so maybe Tobert could come back. Did Tobert and Alice kill Sazz for some reason we dont know

[@mizfaith]

Did anyone else think the placement of Marshall's glasses over the glasses of the book meant something? It seemed weird. I've been wondering about glasses since episode one when Charles looked into Sazz's apartment, the closeup looked like it could have been a double. I know it's common for doubles to do random close-ups for hands, eyes, etc. but with all these doubles and triples, it feels more intentional.

[@chrisnikkitv]

I wanted to include my theory/comment from the Reddit group into this discussion forum with some added notes. Random pieces of info that jumps out to me: - Sazz Pataki = HELGA Pataki (main character on Nickelodeon animated show, “Hey Arnold.” Helga’s character was masculine and aggressive (despite the dress and bow) and obsessed with Arnold and had a secret shrine of him in her closet, even though to him and the outside world, she acted like she hated/was annoyed by Arnold). Also, her character wore a signature pink dress (pig reference?) and a hairstyle of 2 pigtails like the scratched out person in the Westies photo. - all the PIG references this season & all the references to “3’s/triplets = 3 Little Pigs? Are all the 3’s and pig references connected, especially with the letter “E’s” like the one on Rudy’s chest, being written like the number 3? This episode strongly hints that there may be 3 killers. (The mirror scene + all the 3’s). What if instead of 2 killers, there are 3? One to shoot, one to clean, one to incinerate or mastermind from somewhere else? That would also make it even more plausible that it was all done in such short time. Some of the group of 3’s that come to mind are the Brothers Sisters + writer Marshall, the Sauce Family, or the Sauce Family counted as one entity + the other two Westies. - also with all the pig references this season, it made me remember a pig reference from last season. In season 3, wasn’t it proven to be Ben that drew that pig on his mirror in his dressing room in lipstick after he ate the cookies? That pig reference with Ben from last season tied in with Ben’s stunt double “Glen” appearing this season is pretty suspicious to me. Also, does anyone else think that Glen popping up out of nowhere to us as an audience this season as Ben’s stunt double who cared for him deeply but we never saw or heard of him last season AND his name just so happens to be a part of Ben’s name too???! Ben GLENroy and Glen the stunt double? It makes me think of a Reddit user’s theory who speculated that Ben could’ve been a part of triplets (biologically or relationally) and their names are Ben, Glen, and Roy. And that they all played a part in upholding the public image of actor Ben Glenroy. And that maybe last season there was some sort of switcheroo - speaking of Glen Stubbens. I know they keep making sure we know that Glen is Irish. But when I googled his last name “Stubbens,” I found that it’s the name of a well known company that makes high quality leather horse saddles and been around since 1800s. The site boasts that their workshops are based in Germany & Switzerland and the name traces back to the family of owners from Germany. With all the themes of deception and people not being who they present to be, idk if this hints at anything about Glen, especially with the Irish accent slipping by the episode. - M. Dudenoff = Dr. Maggie Dudenoff? Do we know Dr. Maggie’s last name, assuming Maggie is her first? - also it was said that Dudenoff is a professor. We’ve seen the name as “M. Dudenoff” but what if the M. isn’t an abbreviation for a first name but a title. Like Monsieur? This how he would be addressed in France and we know he fancies traveling overseas and we have clues of European clues such as Helga, etc. The French equivalent of Mr. Dudenoff would be written M. Dudenoff. And didn’t Eugene Levy say that he used to play Brazzos in the Canadian French dubbed version of the show? - Marshall’s last name being P. Pope/PEEPope. (Correction: P. Pope. I thought it was Peepope too lol) Every season the killer’s name relates to them being the murderer S1) Jan Bellows S2) Poppy/Becky Butler S3) Donna (belladonna poisoning) & Cliff. So “peep” would correlate with a murder we’ve been made to believe was done with a sniper rifle from a long distance across the courtyard. Sniper rifles usually have a peephole/scope to help get a clear visual on the target.

[@DoublePMedia]

LOVE the name connection that you've made!

[@georgesalis2924]

One more thing I realized, what if the bullet was shot in the apartment and went out the window and is somewhere in the field which they will stumble upon in a later episode

[@DoublePMedia]

I would imagine its lodged in the outside wall of the West Tower.

[@Jordynmarie25]

The fact that he was so spot on with how the trio are in the script without being around them is so sus. I am fully on the ‘taping’ train and think he was taping them. He likes wearing fake hair on his face so he may have more disguises up his sleeve..

[@DoublePMedia]

Choo-choo, all aboard the Taping Train :)

[@xoxojadieeet]

I love the tap in/taping theory. We just assume she meant tap in but maybe she wasn’t done!

[@DoublePMedia]

If it's the correct theory, I'm still no closer to the identity of the villain! Who do you think?

[@YeniRodriguezValdes-y4y]

I think Glen is involved somehow because last episode you talked about "clover leaves" on the intro projected on the building and now Glen gives to Charles a bread with a "clover leaves" print ribbon... something about the irish? also related to the funeral on the bar...

[@DoublePMedia]

Going to make the wait for the next episode very, very LONG

[@Addy0302]

Glen being shot would make sense, it leaves enough ambiguity open. It could still be related to the movie, or the main trio being the real targets, or even the stuntman community.

[@DoublePMedia]

That's my guess. Glen will be shot ; Oliver will think the killer was aiming for him ; the murder boards multiply :)

[@jackiebishop2177]

PS I am also concerned about the time stamp on the voice mail and the time zone difference. If Bev's phone read 11pm, it should have been 2am in NY, and we think Sazz was already gone by then. I agree with one of the comments that the premiere of the play and after party would have moved the time of Sazz's death past 11pm. Could the lights flickering have meant something else, not the incinerator being operated?

[@chrisnikkitv]

I already commented with all my random clues that I’m still connecting in the season overall. But in regards to your theory in the video about two random people linking up that we’d never expect, I hadn’t thought of this and I actually now after episode 5 feel very strongly that there’s actually 3 killers. But for the sake of guessing, what if Rudy and Marshall are the unsuspecting duo working together? When we first meet Rudy didn’t he say that he had aspirations of being an actor/influencer and got stuck in the Christmas aesthetic because one his videos going viral, but he feels trapped but that’s all his fans want from him is the Christmas stuff?And we find out that Marshall is an insecure writer with imposter’s syndrome, and the movie seems like his first big break as a writer. What if the two of them or the two of them plus someone else (Bev, desperate and struggling for next big thing, after passion Barbie) did this because it was their scheme to finally get their big breaks or massive success? Bev or Marshall could’ve offered Rudy a role to be the muscle. Bev could’ve taken the shot (especially after that awkward gun scene with her and the gang at Sazz’s academy shed. She swore it wasn’t loaded but it was and she didn’t seem scared holding it, and after shooting all the bullets, she “jokingly” asked for it back. And we still don’t know how she even found out about the school if only those super close to Sazz knew about it). And it seemed like Bev only put the gun down once she sensed they weren’t on to her. And Marshall could’ve been the distractor at the party with everyone while Sazz was shot. Maybe the trio just doesn’t recognize Marshall from that night because he was in disguise (either without the fake mustache or in another disguise altogether being “a fly on the wall”)

[@DoublePMedia]

Smart - 3 killers WOULD be unexpected, and would allow the murder to make sense - and I like the 3 you connect

[@bananadog152]

I think that Bev Melon's message from Sazz was AI generated by her

[@DoublePMedia]

Had that thought, but the show hasn't mentioned A.I. yet has it?

[@bananadog152]

@@DoublePMedia No, but I have a feeling that they may talk about it, since it's a big problem in Hollywood now

[@Prior2Popular]

Also, it’s weird to me how the show keeps reminding us that Dudenoff’s first name begins with an M. The detective lady refers to him as M Dudenoff. And we were introduced to Dr. Maggie, whose name obviously begins with an M and she’s also a doctor like Dudenoff is. Except her doctorate is more in medicine and he is a doctor like a professor. But, it’s weird to me how no one has put those two together. Why is it important that we know it’s M Dudenoff and then we meet another character who is a doctor whose name begins with an M and we don’t know her last name and nobody has mentioned it. OR- even Marshall! Marshall could be Dudenoff! His first name begins with an M and he is clearly not who he says he is and capable of identity deception. What if being a writer was his dream but his previous job was as a professor?

[@DoublePMedia]

Wow - I hadn't thought of Maggie or Marshall!

[@constancecampbell4610]

Richard Kind could bring the emotion. We already had that sweet scene with him and Charles and Eugene. 🤷‍♀️

[@DoublePMedia]

100% - but if the voice of Bing Bong is a killer, a generation of Pixar kids are gonna need therapy :)

[@constancecampbell4610]

@@DoublePMedia Oh, dear! I didn’t know. I take it back. Lol

[@cheri7054]

Doubles could be a red herring

[@me11owdd]

Like triplets last season

[@loladiaz3534]

So many theories !

[@GayleenFroese]

Wait, does Irish Glen ever recognize anyone without being cued by an introduction or by hearing them speak? Could he have prosopagnosia? It didn't occur to me to go back and check. I have mild prosopagnosia and I confuse people for each other constantly. (This is at least as embarrassing as you might think and also I feel so much guilt because people assume, if you don't remember their face, you simply don't care about them, and so I hurt their feelings by accident.) I also have to ask my roommate, when I'm watching TV, "Have we seen this person before?" Some shows I can only follow using recaps or the assistance VO for blind viewers because the shows depend so heavily on viewers being able to know who they're looking at even when those people are in different clothes/hairstyles. I was boggled by The Departed because I couldn't tell Damon and DiCaprio apart. If Irish Glen has severe prosopagnosia, he won't be able to tell anyone apart by faces and, though _I_ would be cued by a beard, he might not be.

[@Lii170]

I got it right that the person in the trailers shooting was one of the Brothers sisters, but I got the name wrong. Yet I had the feeling it could be one of those dreams or hypothetical scenarios like murderer Charles. I still think that is unlikely they would show the actual killer in the trailer though.

[@DoublePMedia]

Yeah, unlikely ... or the best double bluff!

[@lonelyone]

I'm so glad it was revealed in this episode because I thought I stumbled onto a finale spoiler!

[@Lana-oz7np]

They def shouldn’t be signing away their life rights, but I just can’t figure out the connection between the Wesies and Hollywood. How are we supposed to figure out a motive with no background information about the brothers sisters, Bev is the only one who has a motive at this point, but also I thought who did it was who wrote the note for Oliver’s dog, or the note on Jan’s door. So maybe there is someone taping and also why are they called the brothers sisters? Do they have brothers, and who are they? It’s going to be someone who is there but you’re just not noticing at this point in the story.

[@me11owdd]

I think the next episode is about sisters making a documentary . I’m guessing it will be a flashback so we'll get some backstory on them.

[@shannonkahermanes6080]

The taping theory makes sense to me- but why are they taping them? Why did they kill Saz to hide it? I recently watched the Arrested Development episode with Martin Short and a lot of the scenes of people lifting Martin Short reminded me of Fake Uncle Jack. I’m also wondering if maybe they’re really throwing us off and it is one killer in really great shape… maybe watching Rudy’s videos?

[@DoublePMedia]

Fake Uncle Jack!!! Should we be looking for a killer known as "Mr. F"

[@varunsrinidhi4747]

You know they always tend to make things far more interesting around episode 8 and 9, they have been for the past 3 seasons. Just hope it won't be so lackluster.

[@DoublePMedia]

100%

[@117Derek]

I’m continuing to focus on the timeline problem-I think it’s the Key to breaking the case. Sazz is NOT dead, because (as you point out) if Bev received the voicemail at 11:07 Pacific time (which makes the most sense), then it was 2:07 a.m. in NYC. So, the voicemail was either NOT Sazz, or Sazz was alive after the incinerator blackout. My money is on Sazz is Alive, and the mystery is WHY did she Fake her dead. Does it relate to the Cold Case/Unsolved crime? We have to find the Motive for what’s going on. Once we have the Motive, we can find out Who is behind the mysteries. Note: I’m not saying “murder”-yet. Though I believe Sazz is not dead, a murder could happen in the next episode or two.

[@amandachilds5290]

@@117Derek yeah the timeline makes me question a lot. Can the trio finish their podcast in 12 minutes? Not likely but they were almost done when power went out. Also it takes time to get from Charles apartment to the incinerator and they didn't account for that so does that mean more than 2 people or is the shooter leaving West arconia to got straight to incinerator and why shoot through the window just to have another person clean it up when they didn't have to snipe but like Jan said could've been up close and did it together and clean up better? We don't have body just metal parts and we need to find out what FBI can confirm. Also that's the first time we heard about a missing suit bag from Charles. And it was implied that Sazz was drafted so the dog can have a scent to follow to the incinerator, right? Who was Sazz really trying to get rid of? Maybe herself?.she wanted to reinvent her life and take on identity of someone else, dude off?

[@DoublePMedia]

It would be great if it was around a cold case... but they've got to hint to us what that case was...

[@lonelyone]

@@amandachilds5290 No body = no death. I agree completely. The metal parts could have been planted there. We haven't seen the cremated remains tested for DNA or confirming it's Sazz. This show has been yanking our chain since episode 1.

[@markramsey5435]

Seems like a lot of work to fake a death in my opinion..

[@amandachilds5290]

@@markramsey5435 yes but Jan is a LOT of work and there is a killer or two she's trying to stay ahead of maybe