Fitting a Smart Turn System - Motorcycle Auto Cancelling Indicators

[@roythearcher]

I used to have a Kawasaki GT550 (G4) which had an automatic cancelling indicator system which cancelled after the machine had travelled 200Yds (180Mtrs) and then for a further 5 seconds. While this worked fine around town and at relatively low speeds, at motorway speeds of 70MPH (112 KPH) it would cancel far too soon for switching lanes and when exiting meaning you had to keep switching them back on sometimes as many as 4 or 5 times before manoeuvring. This system looks far more in tune to what is actually required so, thanks for highlighting it!

[@phils4634]

I had the same bike. Can't say I missed the self-cancelling feature when it failed. Great bike for performance but let down by very sub-standard electrics. I was forever replacing failed igniter coils (and aftermarket parts lasted no longer than the expensive Kawa OEM).

[@robotsnthat]

Thanks for that review Andy. The only bike I've had with self-cancellers was my RD350 YPVS that I bought brand new in 86. It was time-based but worked fairly well. I've been obsessed with this since some stupid bint pulled out on me when I was 16 years old (a long time ago lol) on my Yamaha FS1E DX (the variant with the disk brake up front to pull up the awesome power that the 49cc engine delivered LMAO). In fact I think I've just had a bit of a revelation here, just by writing this now. Worrying about the state of my indicators over the past 35-6 years, it has spoiled to some not inconsiderable extent the experience of each ride (I only ride for pleasure), constantly checking that I hadn't left my indicators on, then re-checking a few seconds later (must be late-onset CDO (OCD but in alphabetic order)). I'm going to give this one a go. Thanks very much for the review.

[@cb1100farmer]

Over the years, I’ve conditioned myself, by leaving my thumb on the button. It’s inexcusable not to have S. C. Signals, considering over half of all fatal m/c collisions with 4 wheelers, happen at intersections, where they turn in front of a bike. Some older HD’s, had a momentary push button on each side. Foolproof!

[@jmc1771]

Best video I've seen on this product yet

[@RodneyMurray]

Andy, great video. I bought the STS module but haven't installed it yet. You gave me the confidence to move forward. Thanks.

[@ANDY5]

It is pretty straight forward, thanks for tuning in.

[@jamesplumb5296]

I think they should make them automatic indicators standard... great product info and as always a great video...nice one Andy. ride safe.

[@ANDY5]

+James Plumb thanks mate, you too

[@supertonic3]

A very helpful video. The instructions for the system don't indicate that the foam is used to make the turn signals a momentary switch.

[@Fritsvrolijk]

can i youse this item for making flasbulps on a bike thats old for if you are driving in traficjam

[@JSLRSMNW]

Excellent video, very helpful. I like the electrical layout on your bike, I guess that's your own work?

[@Questioneverythingg730]

Excellent Andy thanx. Bloody clever bits of kit. I will take a look at their site.

[@ANDY5]

Clever stuff

[@llewvirtue861]

G day again mate,the centre common wire on the handle bar switch is orange and powered up on ignition,everytime I connect it up to the brown it blows the fuse,any ideas mate.

[@grubstewart]

Great, thorough review mate. Thanks!

[@EarlCruickshank-i8o]

Hi Andy Looking at getting one of these for my Norton Commando ST say their system is compatible the Norton is positive earth they tell me that’s ok? Your thoughts

[@volgnit]

I reckon the Guzzi could do with that. Although I do have myself fairly well trained to turn 'em off, it's that "one" time that could do the damage. Nice work, as always mate.

[@ANDY5]

+Volgnit thanks, as always Andy

[@richardbisson2869]

Car touch up paint chips

[@gilbertreeves2084]

My 75 honda cb-550f has a rather loud beeper(stock) to tell you your signal is on.Seemed like a good idea, so I bought several self-excited piezo buzzers for my sv-650 and zrx....unless I`m going over the speed limit I can hear them and the price was dirt cheap.You just need to find to find the flasher relay..Gooday!!!

[@robertbrandywine]

All good unless you wear earplugs.

[@Simoxs7]

My F800GS technically has them but they’re way to slow to be practical even at motorway speeds (mind you I‘m in Germany so its ~160km/h) it takes 7-8 seconds to cover the distance to cancel and if you don’t cover the distance it takes 10 seconds which is way too long in any situation.

[@manueljorge1601]

Is this compatible for all motorcycles

[@MrEye4get]

NIcely done. NO music needed. It's distracting.

[@marcus577]

Thanks Andy. I’ve got the Safe Brake Module. That was easy to do. But this look more complicated. Can this go on the rear lights cluster as it’s all in on the BMW1200rt. Marcus from the United Kingdom.

[@wfdTamar]

No, because it needs 3 wires, the indicator left & right and also the indicator 'feed' (or power) wire which is in the switch (it also needs an earth & ignition switched 12 v power). You might get access to those 3 wires anywhere between indicator switch and maybe under the tank or inside the headlight.

[@alayshiawilliams3084]

What brand wire cutter/stripper are you using??

[@guitarplayerwannabee]

Thanks Andy your video will be most useful to me. However, my first problem is that my 2 block connectors are situated within the headlight shell and there's unlikely to be room for the extra cables. So my question is: how would you do the splicing? FYI I have the UK equivalent of the Yamaha v star 950 cruiser. On another matter, I play the guitar and I really like your backing track. Do you know the title and artist. Cheers Paul

[@tengis777]

Hi Andy, thanks for the video. Do you still use the STS now? Would like to know how it is in the long term. Thanks!

[@oldcaferacer]

Andy what a great product great find mate

[@ANDY5]

Great product

[@nigelwolfe6150]

With the plethora of sensors so many bikes have this day? Not to mention fricken ECUs! There is like ZERO excuse for so many motorcyles to LACK self canceling indicators! My KTM has sensors for lean and wheel speed....WHY do I have to remember to turn off signals??? Which btw I dont seem capable of....grrrr just FROSTS me! AT LEAST put a damn 2 minute time out if nothing else!!! LOL....Ya KNOW? Is THAT really so much to ask?? I think NOT! And WHY are there not cheap generic turn signal relays that HAVE THIS??? ...OR....OR if everyone is too fricken AFRAID of liability to do THAT? Then WHY at LEAST not have something AUDIBLE to remind a rider??? It could even honk your horn after one minute? Just a very brief horn blip of the horn....but even more than that whining WHY with ALL the other frivolous regulations of governmental motorcycle requirement dont they FRICKEN simply INSIST manufactures provide this??? I mean they are so pissy about kickstand switches and such....makes no sense to ignore this VERY REAL safety issue!

[@gtxtx3]

Must use g-force to sense you going around the corner then straighten up to cancel, how does it go when you do things like moving moving off from the side of the road without turning a corner?

[@ANDY5]

It won’t auto cancel with subtle movements like that however it will still time out after about 20 seconds if the bike is moving

[@dogphlap6749]

@@ANDY5 Good to know it has a time based fail-safe. I'm particularly bad at cancelling my indicators so I really need something like the ST2 to save me from my own absent mindedness. Thank you for the video mate.

[@tomwort6110]

Hi Andy, curious about your bikes front and rear suspension and how its holding up. I have rear shocks that look just like yours but I dont think i have them adjusted correctly. Did you add and gas to them? Also how does the stock front suspension hold up in your opinion? Thanks again for the great videos.

[@ANDY5]

G'day Tom, the rear shocks on mine are JBS, purchased on eBay. I haven't touched the gas pressure but did adjust the spring pre-load, and they are pretty bloody good considering the price. As for the front they are holding up well. I would never say they're great but the XS11 was never renowned for it's handling. I rode the thing 3,800 klms to the National XS1100 Rally and back and Mal Pittman took it for a spin. He was impressed with how well it handled, so I'm calling that a win. Check out what he had to say here kzbin.info/www/bejne/movcc5qFdrysfrc

[@dogphlap6749]

Don't confuse the brown wire with the chocolate coloured wire.

[@StarFyre]

G'day from Melb, STS keep sending me emails re the self-cancelling indicators but I'm not convinced... are you still using it and how has it been? I also had an XS1100 back in the day and found the handling terrible, used to scare the shit out of me so I traded it in for an FJ1200 which used to scare the shit out of my pillion passengers when their feet went airborne of the rear pegs at speeds above 140mph. Yeah, I was a total idiot back then... now I just putter about on a CBR300R which is giving me about 75mpg (UK gallons) or 3.77l/100km... that does me nicely.

[@ANDY5]

No I’m not still using it. It functions great but my cheap Chinese rip off Z1 switches didn’t like the rubber momentary conversion inserts. That meant I had to switch on and off at each turn and it seemed kind off pointless. I may change to a Motogadget switch one day but for now I just do it the old fashioned way.

[@StarFyre]

@@ANDY5 Thanks for the reply Andy, my switch gear is already momentary but as it centres itself and you have to push it in to cancel I don't think it will work even STS said it was fully compatible with my bike. Any thoughts on this?

[@wfdTamar]

@@StarFyre It should work. That's how my Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 works. In stock form there's one finger action to initiate indication and another to stop it. What the STS does is take over the latter job. In stock form the switch contact would stay to one side until you cancel - which centres the contact. With the STS the foam pads push the switch contact back to the centre as soon as you let go of the switch, but the STS continues the indicating until bike movement, or time cancel it.

[@Questioneverythingg730]

Great bit of kit 👍. When I operate my indicators I need to press the switch after the manoeuvre to cancel the signal. The switch 'clicks' and feels like a mechanical mechanism to stop/ reset the signal. Do you think this would be an issue for the install? Keep up the great work

[@ANDY5]

G'day Garry, thanks for tuning in. The XS1100 also has "press to cancel" switches, it's just that I have fitted Z1 Kawasaki units to mine. It should not be an issue, but if in doubt just go to the website and ask the question. They are very good at providing support if required, Andy

[@andrewcrole4873]

Good stuff

[@oscarandrade3014]

Cool and so nice...

[@llewvirtue861]

Found the issue mate,theire wiring descriptiom is debatable

[@frankstocker5475]

Will this work on a bike that rides on the left?

[@ANDY5]

Frank Stocker yes mate, it doesn’t discriminate. We ride on the left in Australia

[@TheAceTroubleshooter]

Lmfao...

[@davecavesnr]

Nice one mate, ride safe!

[@nick39691]

my dad hates my xs100 bc its not a harley and he keeps telling me to sell the pace of shit what should i do ?

[@ANDY5]

As long as you love it who cares what he thinks. Tell him that the XS11 was a milestone bike for many reasons. Yamaha wanted to make a statement with the XS1100. The design criteria included briefs such as an engine life cycle of 60 years, had to carry more than a Goldwing and had to be fast. When it was released in Africa in 1978 it was the largest capacity bike and the fastest production bike in the world. It was Yamaha's first ever in-line four cylinder four stroke and it had the first TCI ignition, co-developed with Toyota. On release it ran 1/4 mile times of 11.78 sec at 114.21 mph and was the only production bike to consistently run sub 12 second quarter miles. It had the best brakes of any of it's pears. At the end of the day if he is a dyed in the wool Harley man he won't know any better and all we can do is take pity on him and wish him well. It has been stated that 97% of all Harley's ever made are still on the road...the other 3% made it home :) Thanks for tuning in, Andy

[@nick39691]

Andy's Motorcycle Obsessions I like it and now I like it more I knew it was there first in line4 but not everything Elsa. It was likes yours all beat up and left for dead but I keep it like a rat brat style. When I first got it the tachometer said 46k bike was totaled because the frame was bent and the harness was cut i'm guessing car accident but I had the frame straight now I finally got the bike running this week. Do I have to worry about that timeing chain coming off ? Everything Elsa works on it kinda lol and thanks for getting back to me and for the videos they really help me out when working on this bike and i'm sure future bikes too. Btw any grammar or Miss spelling forgive because I'm replying on my phone

[@brianbatten3664]

good bit of kit.

[@ANDY5]

Pretty amazing really

[@nigelwolfe6150]

I need this on KTM690

[@edlowrey7754]

Bought 3 of these and the first two were great but the third one keeps turning off during rides and I have no indicators at all. If I pull over and restart the bike it works again. I contacted the company and they suggested i check connections which I did but then after I had done this they basically just ignored me and let me suffer. Would never buy from them again.

[@dogphlap6749]

That sort of treatment is so counter productive. Having paid for 3 of those units you would think they would realise you are a genuine sort of guy and exchange the faulty unit. When a supplier screws us we remember it.

[@dickjuffermans7550]

I bought this item for a BMW R1150R, website suggests this should work, but it won't. After selling the item, the company (David Rand) does not respond to my emails any more. I'm afraid I have been scammed.

[@MadeAirbreak]

Nice video! Andy, i really like your Yamaha. But i think it's such a shame with the indicators you've chosen. The carbon is so fake it hurts all the carbon molecules in my body. But damn, that kit is smart!

[@ANDY5]

+Søren Made I agree, they have annoyed me from day one. I have found others I like but haven't committed to purchasing because I have more important things to spend my money on, but the time is drawing near for an upgrade. I want a more classic look and I want good quality.

[@nicolasandersen7574]

Im so getting that kit

[@DankTwank]

That was a huge gas tank

[@ernieschatz3783]

Shirley you jest!

[@7316bobe]

Really COMPLICATED and does not look good with all the extra wires. There must be a better way for a turn signal cancel system.

[@pulsartech2945]

1) if you think that this is complicated you shouldn't be working on your own bike in the 1st place. 2) the wiring is hidden under the seat? You can even see it, why are you taking you seat off other than wiring work or battery maintenance?

[@robertbrandywine]

@@pulsartech2945 A bit unfair, I think. I do maintenance on my bike, but would be hard pressed to find a switched power wire.

[@bretsnow5058]

a fellow worker in thongs love it ..great vids mate

[@ANDY5]

Thanks mate, once a Queenslander, always a Queenslander

[@ANDY5]

Thanks mate, once a Queenslander, always a Queenslander

[@EvilJ069]

So far, 4 minutes of yada yada yada...

[@nigelwolfe6150]

150 is "reasonably priced" ??? For a chip that costs a few bucks in china? Just saying

[@vicsponjr]

I guess it’s all relative. If you have plenty of cash or a “motorcycle obsession “ it’s very reasonable. I myself need to find a cheaper option.

[@bracisland]

dont work, waste of money

[@Cookie69697]

The only problem if you get lazy and rely on this device if you get on another bike your at ground zero. Just learn to cancel your indicator 🥷🥷🥷