Fitz and Mack Feel Betrayed by Daisy - Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[@mecanzie2741]

The acting here is pretty damn good. You can just see the hurt in Mack and Fitz's eyes when they realise Daisy has been ignoring them the whole time. Very impressive scene.

[@NoorAhmed-nk2jq]

Why is Fitz so hot even when he's angry, it's not fair :(

[@heywatchme101]

She needs a hug

[@miaamer7718]

Yea, she really does.

[@eurydice5589]

this scene reminds me of season 5 where daisy was like “we don’t turn on our own” and fitz called her out “do you want me to recount all the times that you did?” i’m not taking sides here. i’m saying daisy did what she had to do, and good for her. i’m also saying fitz was in the right to call her out. they’ve all been through hell; all of them. you can argue that daisy had it worse, and maybe she did. still, fitz had every right to call her out because they were friends. they were close to each other; family, at this point. imagine if someone you knew, someone you’ve been to hell and back with, imagine if that someone just disappeared all of a sudden. i personally think it’s part of daisy’s character that she runs when she’s scared, of when she’s confused. i don’t like that aspect of her, but it makes her human. i just don’t like people criticising fitz as if he didn’t have every right to be hurt and feel betrayed by her.

[@eurydice5589]

“something terrible happened and she didn’t want our help getting through it,” as an additional thought, the team did try to be there for daisy but she continued to run. i’m not saying i hate her for what she did, but still, don’t come here and say that fitz is being “hypocritical” and “rude”.

[@verenasnotsosecretdiary]

What episode

[@romulansith]

i think its a combo of things, but when she is in self loathing, she fears hurting those she cares about. Fitz is also a bit unreasonable in that it wasnt staying in the same way. it was different - Coulson wasnt director anymore, there were new rules, methods, where a mess up could have blow-back on everyone. Leaving wasnt just 'being selfish', but was indeed what she needed. Plus she d found before that leaving is when she was able to have the time to improve or restablize.

[@romulansith]

@@eurydice5589 he is being a bit unreasonable in yelling at her. He doesnt want to focus on how much things have changed. Remember Coulson isnt the director at the moment. so its not the same team support. And the team 'help' hasnt always been what was needed. Its part of Fitz's character that someone leaving is the worse thing they can do. He was the same way when Simmons left to do undercover work in S2. and it stems from his father issues.

[@piyushpatil4679]

@@romulansith actually the thing is that fitz had already been betrayed by ward whom he considered his brother, in season 2 he said that the most worst thing that ward had done was breaking the family and then also he thought that Jemma left him because he had hypoxia. Again in season 3 he was totally disturbed as Jemma was taken away by the monolith thus again separating the team. He yelled at her because for him his family member separated again, he at this point just couldn't accept all the changes, for him it was not okay that daisy left them and didn't share her problem with them, for fitz the shield team was the only thing that he could call home just like daisy.

[@bae_ofpigz]

Srsly one of the best shows on television

[@tremors3164]

daisy: *is suicidal and fueled with self hatred from the loss of a loved one and therefore tries to distance herself from the people she cares about in order to protect them* y'all: dAiSy BeTrAyEd sHiElD

[@libbyreilly5469]

She did. And distancing herself wasn't doing much good for the team

[@WhiteFangofWar]

'I invented that move. It doesn't work.' -Melinda May

[@azyrsevein4951]

@@libbyreilly5469 sounds pretty selfish to just think about the team lmao, what about what’s good for her?

[@wheelersrhea]

​@@azyrsevein4951 finally thank you!

[@Maya_hee]

@@azyrsevein4951 Thinking about the team IS good for her because what the team wants is to help her get through her pain and also heal her broken bones, the bones that she needed to use her powers.

[@mehak7887]

Yall calling out fitz cuz he forgot that daisy got simmons out of monolith But yall forgetting that FITZ WAS THE FIRST ONE TO ACCEPT HER WHEN EVEN SHE DIDNT WANT TO ACCEPT HER CHANGE. he lied about her blood and gave her a hug. He had the right to feel betrayed

[@GilmarOliveira666]

Fitz was right in what he said but I don't think that was the best way to convince Daisy to accept their help. He was just reinforcing the suicidal tendencies that Daisy had at the time. Don't say what Fitz said to someone who was begging to die.

[@hasan_1888]

@@GilmarOliveira666 "I don't think that was the best way to convince Daisy" Do you even know fitz? that is pure awsome fitz. He calls to the point.

[@Thehardtruth69]

You can be right in one incidence and wrong in another. Fitz did the right thing in accepting Skye when she changed but was wrong here when he invalidated the way she was processing pain. Also, funny how everyone brings up Fitz accepting Skye's change but ignores his terrible decision of convincing her to keep it a secret from the team even though she wanted to tell them.

[@miaamer7718]

Good for him for accepting Daisy. BUT, he was also using the change she went through as a means of projecting his own personal crap on her. That is the reason he did those things.

[@lillysim1512]

Ok can we stop fighting back and forward and appreciate it it makes sense y they all do these things and the writing is amazing sooo

[@sandrameesala6804]

I think it's super selfish to dictate how someone is to process something. If she needed time away, that was her right. Fitz when on mission after mission without the team to get Jemma back. He had no right to call Skye out. Time away does not mean abandonment.

[@tremors3164]

I couldn't agree more!! I mean, I get that they're worried that she might turn up dead or something if things go south while she goes after the watchdogs by herself. but they have no right to yell at her because she's being frustrating in their eyes. that's no way to treat a friend especially if they're processing trauma and is suicidal.

[@NA1c158]

People aren't always logical, including when accusing someone of something. It could be his feelings, but obviously he doesn't have water to stand on, though he is part right. She shouldn't have left while putting people in danger which is exactly what she did. Sometmes, everyone can be wrong.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

She didn't "have time away". She left them and became a vigilante, recklessly risking her own life and the lives of others.

[@TD-jk2yf]

@@nathanieldiaz5254 Couldn’t agree more! people tend to leave that part out when they say that fitz and mack have no right

[@miaamer7718]

Well, it’s not like she asked them to

[@padraicconway5985]

I'm going to defend daisy a little here. Fitz seems to forget that the Fitzsimmons arc in season 2 was all about Simmons abandoning Fitz to go undercover at HYDRA

[@justmyopinion1795]

Padraic Conway yep and hes also forgetting that when he thought he lost jemma he went off the rails and did turn his back on his responsibilities ...daisy lost the guy she loved and was forced to hurt the people she loved and enjoy it fitz coped in his own way and daisy's just doing the same. i think he was out of line here. i get macks betrayal (i think it was more aimed at yoyo than anything else)

[@wafflingmean4477]

+justmyopinion 1 Fitz did turn his back on SHIELD responsibilities but it was because he was in denial about Jemma's supposed death. Everything he was doing was actually coming from a goal of keeping the family together.

[@Riskofrain527]

WafflingMean44 exactly

[@Champsr0ck2247]

Simmons was still working for SHIELD when she went to HYDRA and everyone else just gave up working with Fitz. Daisy is hurting but Fitz is right, she doesn't want their help.

[@Helkost]

@@wafflingmean4477 Daisy's questionable choice comes from her desire to keep the team safe too. She thinks she's a liability for them, and indeed she is, given that she has a literal death wish and she constantly puts herself in harm's way.

[@garieaguilar5457]

Fitz...I mean daisy was the one who got simmons out of the monolith and daisy never forgived fitz before he died..😭

[@Riskofrain527]

She just opened the portal. Fitz was the one who dived in and got her out like a badass. Fitz is right daisy is wrong.

[@Icybubba]

Let's just say that was all Daisy's doing(It wasn't), that still doesn't make what she's doing here right.

[@hopelovegood8131]

@@Icybubba yess. I love Daisy. But that's not coping. That's running away from the people who care about you. And Fitz was legit stating that they have all been through heartbreak, but never walked away. I guess.

[@lalalalisa41]

@@hopelovegood8131 Running away IS a form of coping though. Not a great one but all the same, it's how some people cope. Running way, denying reality, shutting others out, etc.

[@hopelovegood8131]

@@lalalalisa41 did it help her though? It litterly just added to her pain. And i understand what you are saying, but Fitz was truthful. Even if he hadn't been through as much as her at that time.

[@NO-io1hj]

AHHHHHH LINCOLN 😭 fitz is right but it was really hard on daisy they should have tried comforting her not that

[@ninjanibba4259]

They did try

[@miaamer7718]

@@ninjanibba4259 yelling at her the way Fitz did is not trying. In fact, it counts as the complete opposite of comforting her.

[@miaamer7718]

Fitz: " WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGHT TERIBLE THINGS, ALL OF US, AND WE'VE NEVER TURNED OUR BACK!" Me: that is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard, seriously all of the main team have turned their backs at some point or another when things got too hard for them. May: left after the incident in Bahrain and in season 1 when Coulson found she was spying on him. Phil : turned his back on S.H.I.E.L.D after Ward killed Roslin Price to go get his revenge on Ward. Jemma: took that job of being under cover at HYDRA as an escape from Fitz and Ward and the bad memories. Fitz: Kept walking out when Jemma got sucked into the monolith away from shield. Mack: wanted to leave S.H.I.E.L.D at the end of season 2 because Phil was in charge, and in season 4 wasn't planning on coming back from the framework. WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!! 😡🤬

[@LordVanOskuro]

"He's a killer." Sure, if you consider a hurricane or a tidal wave to be killers.

[@casuallavaring]

He doesn't know that Robbie isn't the one calling the shots though. He hasn't learned about the Spirit of Vengeance yet.

[@lightningboltt5437]

Well they aren

[@lightningboltt5437]

Are

[@DazzNovaNature]

Mack betrayed the team in season 2, Bobbi included.

[@LightscapeOdyssey]

Finally someone pointed it out. I was never too fond of him and I strongly think May should have been director after Coulson's death.

[@pyr1412]

Mack and Bobbi didn’t agree w/ coulsons methods at first but then they saw he and his team got shit done.

[@CK-sn2lg]

I'm glad Fitz called her out

[@miaamer7718]

For what reason? hmm? It's not like him yelling at her made her come back to them, or made her hurt any less, or less suicidal. Yelling at someone the way he did isn't going to make them go " you know what you're right, I'm going to come back home with you guys". Like NO, you yell at someone the way he did and that pushes them further away from you. Goodness his yelling and invalidating her emotions to only think about himself and the things he wants is not only counterproductive but it is also selfish.

[@libbyreilly5469]

Because she's turned her back on us Mack, because something terrible happened and she didn't want our help getting through it. Well we've all been through terrible things and we never turned out back. 😭😭This line broke my heart. Fitz did everything for daisy I can only imagine what he felt he must of get so betrayed bless him 😭🤧💔

[@verenasnotsosecretdiary]

Ikr like when she was having trouble with her inhuman powers he was there he was always there for her then she just abandoned them and had contact with yo yo fitz had every right to be pissed he was close to her and know he fella betrayed another time like his dad abandoned him ward abandoned him and know daisy

[@libbyreilly5469]

@@verenasnotsosecretdiary yea everyone is hating on Fitz for saying this! I'm not taking sides I love them both but Fitz is right!! I mean I would be pissed if one of my best friends that I would do and have done everything for just left me I'm glad daisy went and did what was best for her but she shouldn't of brought Yoyo into it and definitly should've talked to them first they could've helped

[@GilmarOliveira666]

@@libbyreilly5469 Fitz was right in what he said but I don't think that was the best way to convince Daisy to accept their help.

[@libbyreilly5469]

@@GilmarOliveira666 maybe but I don't think leaving them was the best way to protect them either

[@GilmarOliveira666]

@@libbyreilly5469 I agreed. They both have reasons to act that way I'm thinking how to help Daisy without scaring her.

[@jamesthong2508]

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[@tremors3164]

lol people comparing fitz literally cutting into her in season 5 to daisy leaving shield to process her grief as if they are the same thing

[@tremors3164]

she didn't "betray" shield she just left to take down the watchdogs on her own and people are acting like she joined hydra and attacked shield or something

[@libbyreilly5469]

Fitz had voices in his head telling him it was the right think to do. I'm not taking sides I love Daisy and Fitz but they could've helped her she didn't have to go off on her own. And Fitz didn't have to put up with Leopold either they could've helped him with that. And Fitz removing her power blocker was actually a good thing in the end she needed then to stop Talbot - to save the world

[@hasan_1888]

@@tremors3164 "She turned her back on her friends" as fitz perfectly put it. Please watch the scene properly. no on said about betray lol

[@tremors3164]

@@hasan_1888 only technically. you wouldn't normally call someone distancing herself from the people she cares about to protect them from herself because she feels like she is responsible for the death of the love of her life "turning her back on her friends" but maybe that's just me lol

[@tremors3164]

@@libbyreilly5469 I agree that fitz was influenced by the doctor(and his injury&trauma) when he tied daisy down. however when he cut into her, he knew exactly what he was doing. And when you say that him doing surgery on daisy without her consent and anesthetic was a good thing, that's just messed up. you are literally advocating TORTURE as long as you have something to gain from it. also, if you want to compare trauma, daisy went through as much shit as(if not more than) fitz and didn't deserve to be cut open by her best friend and a brother figure

[@lukedaley17]

Fitz has a point no matter how terrible things get we never turn our backs.

[@Reclaimer-eo1tl]

Shhhiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt........ The feels man

[@justmyopinion1795]

I'm sorry but this was a dick move on fitz's part. Isn't he the same guy who went awol when simmons went missing. I think it's great what they're doing with daisy. They're showing the repercussions of grief and its effect on her. She feels broken. In her mind she should have died and not Lincoln. Hive made her hurt the people she loved and think she was doing good. Add in the fact that she's a foster kid that's never had a real support system and i think it's justifiable that she would react like this and push people away. In her mind if she's detached then she can't hurt them

[@magicshooooop]

He still designed plenty of things while he was looking for Jemma. You think those containment modules designed themselves? Nope. Pretty sure that was Fitz. Those hands that Coulson had before he got his current model? Also Fitz. No, they weren't great, but they were a damn sight better than nothing. Plus, let's not forget the big one: Zephyr One. It was designed by Fitz while Jemma was missing, and that was obviously a huge project. Fitz didn't leave SHIELD, he didn't abandon them. Yes, his focus was mostly on finding Simmons, but SOMEONE'S had to be. Everyone else gave up on her after only a few months.

[@Riskofrain527]

Meg Cather exactly thank you

[@justmyopinion1795]

Meg Cather there is an entire science team at shield that most likely designed the containment pods. And daisy wasn't off sitting in a bar somewhere drinking herself to death. She was working to take down the watch dogs. She poured all her grief and all her self hatred into doing good for the people she thinks she let down because of what she was essentially drugged into last season by hive. All i'm saying is each and every character has dealt with grief differently on this show. Why he felt the need to demonize Daisy when she is dealing with it the only way she knows how is beyond me. The saddest thing about this scene is it validates all the self hatred daisy has for herself. The feeling of hurting her team, the feeling of being a liability or a danger. This scene confirms to her that she is no good for them.

[@Riskofrain527]

justmyopinion 1 daisy is wrong deal with it

[@pyr1412]

Fitz is literally the brother Daisy never had and Jemma is her bestie/ sister but let’s not forget about the time when everyone a part from Coulson and May were upset with her because of Tripp’s death and because she was stupid to follow Raina into the chamber and then became an inhuman let’s not forget that Fitz swapped out her blood samples because everyone else was freaking out about what to do with her and Fitz protected her

[@atypicalamour1550]

fitz better appericiate daisy but she was the one that got simmions out of the monilith she could have just left her there

[@prodbyAl3X]

Amour Tellez she just opened it fitz got her out get your facts straight

[@magicshooooop]

He does appreciate Daisy, but that doesn't mean he's gonna be cool with everything she ever does for the rest of time. He's allowed to be angry with her, and feel hurt by the fact that she abandoned them, even if she felt like she was doing the right thing.

[@Thehardtruth69]

@@prodbyAl3X fitz did something stupid and reckless and was only able to come through with it because Daisy endured the pain. Show respect

[@Icybubba]

@@Thehardtruth69 Yes, but what Fitz was doing in Season 3 was trying to rescue Jemma. What Daisy was doing was taking down bad people all the while hoping someone would kill her. She justified it in her head by telling herself that she was keeping them safe by doing this, which she wasn't. Daisy went through a lot, definitely more than what Fitz went through. Fitz suffered a brain injury, then Jemma got sucked up into the monolith and Fitz acted extremely recklessly to try to save her. Daisy got brainwashed and was forced to do terrible things like killing Malick, betraying SHIELD, doing what she did to James, kidnapping Radcliffe, almost killing Mack, being one of the reasons so many people got turned into Alpha Primitives. And then Lincoln died which she of course blamed herself for and it didn't help that during that she was dealing with intense withdraw symptoms that basically exaggerated all the feelings she was having. But see that's why Daisy all the more needed to stay with SHIELD so she would have her friends and family be there to comfort her. Fitz never left SHIELD and had people work with him and be there for him (Specifically Mack, Daisy, and Bobbi). Daisy didn't let herself have that even though everyone was offering it to her.

[@Thehardtruth69]

@@Icybubba I can't argue with you especially since I agree with almost everything you said especially Daisy having had it worse than Fitz up until this point. One thing I will disagree with is that the team's love and comfort can only support them to a certain point. Jemma wasn't able to take care of Fitz during his recovery between S1 and S2. Fitz still went off the deep end 3x01 despite Bobbi and Coulson comforting him- he only stopped overreacting when he found another lead to another theory. Likewise- we can't be sure that Daisy staying with the team would have helped her deal with her grief or fear. All her life, she was scared of gaining a home and losing it. "Hoping for something and losing it hurts more than not wanting anything." 1x03 I think. And she also lamented to her mom that Shield was a family to her until they weren't 2x16. So when her fear became reality, it's fair for her to take a break or complete leave of the team. Her fear is no longer just a worst possible outcome, it's appears to be an inevitability. She's an adult and has no obligation to stay where she doesn't want to even if others think it's a better environment for her- which is why I like the way Mack tried to convince her to come back and hated Fitz's unwarranted outburst.

[@alexkotsch3230]

I just got to say that I believe Daisy was doing the right thing leaving S.H.I.E.L.D. In season 1, some treated her like deadweight except Fitz, Simmons, and Ward they were pretty nice to her. And in seasons 2 and 3, some treat her as a damsel, I can't help but say that Hive was right and that she doesn't need protection or a savior. Still, I wonder if it would have been better if she left S.H.I.E.L.D. and became an independent street hero like Ghost Rider or like Daredevil or Jessica Jones. I think her and Robbie could have been great additions to the Defenders, a team of people who have suffered and lost and don't want anyone to help them.

[@elizabethblack2674]

She tried

[@elisdyslexic]

1:44 🥰✋

[@jacksonsousa0783]

oo namoral quando vai sair os eps

[@jamesthong2508]

I felt like Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. seasons 4-7 is not canon in the MCU anymore when it became rated TV-14. Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. seasons 1-3 which was rated TV-PG is canon in the MCU.

[@lillysim1512]

Y does daisy always have a cut on her cheek?

[@lightningboltt5437]

She has had it since season 2

[@Mtab2260]

It just hasn’t healed.

[@hasan_1888]

People are funny saying "fitz better appreciate daisy. she was the one that got simmons". Fact is it was fitz who got Simmons out. Daisy just helped. Its daisy that better appreciate fitz coz he was the one that protected daisy and lied about her being inhuman.

[@miaamer7718]

Agree to disagree

[@miaamer7718]

You are aware, that if Daisy didn't open up the monalith, and kept it open at great expense to herself, then, Fitz and Jemma could have easily been lost and stranded on the other planet and possibly killed and by HIVE. So yea, he better appreciate her like a goddess.

[@libbyreilly5469]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2qUhoBoYquqrZI ~Daisy and Fitz in this scene

[@junedelong6851]

I hate to say this, but I'm so sick of Daisy, her whiney attitude, her perception that she's the only one who can do anything and the fact she argues with almost every order in Season 2 & 3. And Season 4 isn't much better. Daisy is really a continually lame character. (Thanks Lorenzzio for the great description)

[@alleemaria97]

I disagree, I think it's super interesting character development. She's gotten over it now and she's stronger for it, but it was good to see that under all her powers, strength and bravado she's as human as we are. We wouldn't like Shield if the character's weren't a minimum realist

[@bifa5414]

I also disagree, creators of the AoS are trying to show us full Quake origin story and explain how exactly happened that in the comics she have very difficult character but at the same time big heart and they are doing this in really good way. Plus it's completely understandable that she broke down, this must have happened sooner or later- just think how many bad things happened to her- for entire live she was searching parents and they both turn out to be murderers; her mother was trying to kill her do her father killed her mother; now her father does not even remember her; her friend was killed n front her eyes because he though that in this way he can save her; she find boyfriend and he turn out to be nazi; she find another boyfriend and he die when was saving her live; she was controlled by parasite who forced her to bad things including hurting her friends and feel pleasure because of this parasite.

[@Vrex360]

June DeLong: By season 3 I remember thinking 'if I hear Daisy whine one more fucking time about being an Inhuman I'm going to become a HYDRA sympathizer'.

[@Helkost]

@Josh Arrubla I'll never understand where they picked up her supposed whining. And aside of that, she's an antihero, it's about time people started to understand this. She's not there to play "your friendly neighborhood spiderman" or honest, brave, perfect Capitan America. She's a lot more human, thus weak and sometimes contradictory, than any superhero I've seen so far.

[@Riskofrain527]

@@Helkost most of what she does in season 3 is whine and that's just a fact. Stop being her fanboy and just accept the fact that she whines alot.

[@cyrusrogers6887]

Daisy is such a hypocrite. Defending literal demon who murders people and telling Ward that he should have tried harder to kill himself when he was still trying to be good.