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[@PersonlApocalypz]

I get that there other alternatives and they all might be great, but for me, part of the appeal of armada was that it was Star Wars and there is something incredibly satisfying about running an imperial star destroyer

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Personally I'm getting a 3d printer and buying conversion kits. Me and my kid love x wing we bought it thinking it was a board game and have several ships. When I told her they where stopping production she was devastated so I looked into alternatives. Here's what I say if Disney won't make my star wars mini ship game I'll do it myself just for her even if I have to paint and trouble shoot the ships myself. He'll if I can I may sell the ideas we come up with cause there are some cool ships and factions we never got.

[@mythrando]

I'm with you! I am interested though in finding other rulesets that I can use my Armada ships with. Just to get different experiences with them!

[@timp7090]

​@@badgerwildgaming6908there's some great Facebook buy/sell groups around if your ok with buying second hand stuff. I came to the game late and have bought a bunch of stuff that way

[@justinfloyd1471]

My buddy and I play a lot of One Page Rules Grimdark Future with Star Wars models. Works real well.

[@Tinytraveler]

Under your advice my group had found our "Sweet" spot, and the week before the cancelation of Armada, we bulk ordered through our LGS, just stuff we wanted. Hammerheads, Thrawn's ship, card upgrade packs, dial packs, tourney kit, one of us got a SSD on the order, another original Core Starter set. Things like that to flush out some players collections and to have a few extra dice, maneuver tool etc. Suddenly its all out of stock, everything on Amazon is gone, it all quadrupled in price before being removed and in many cases, not even searchable. I'll let you know if that order we placed actually arrives. The LGS we use has basically never failed to deliver anything we've ordered in the past. So I'm hopeful.

[@AJRAR1979]

As long as they aren't AMG games...

[@HCJIGSAW]

Absolutely... They are the worst

[@andyablluxembourg8627]

Amg will get not one more cent from me!

[@nicholashancock8729]

Dropfleet Commander definitely seems like an interesting space fleet battle game. I'm really hoping that Halo Flashpoint does well so that Mantic invests in a more Legion/40k/AoS style game with Halo.

[@jacobgale4792]

It has so much potential to be a a large scale wargame, in factions alone they could have 5+ like UNSC, Covenant, Flood, Forerunner(Sentinels/Promethean), Banished etc. Hope flashpoint really succeeds

[@Ironbudha23]

Pretty cool to see alternative games.

[@felipea7147]

It is a crazy game if you combine it with Dropzone Commander

[@TheWhitesymphonia]

Dropfleet Commander is a ton of fun. There's actually a reason for fighting (dropping troops), and it feels like a much more complete fleet game, where you will field a lot of cruisers, frigates, destroyers, etc. Instead of a fleet of like 3 ships. Love the shooting mechanic of having signature radiuses and spiking, which has a lot of tactical play especially with dedicated spotters.

[@aaront2543]

Hilarious that you have a sinking x-wing in the background. And sad.

[@bneil4059]

Star Fleet Battles is a great starship skirmish game, a proven wargame w/no stinking cards. Emphasis on the geometry of firing arcs, simultaneous movement and slow graceful lumbering movement of large ships. It’s been around since 1977 and isn’t going away anytime soon. Fed Commander is a good streamlined derivative based on the same principles. Sorry, no preprinted mini’s but there is a line of mini’s that can be acquired and painted. Often times, the game engine is so good we forego the window dressing of mini’s to get to the real fun, deep, tactical gameplay.

[@jamesmaas7244]

The granddaddy of all spaceship combat games.

[@dwightg.2603]

Full Thrust from Ground Zero Games is lots of fun.

[@steveseyboldt7206]

Before X-wing, I used to play Silent Death. My group even used Star Wars micro machine toys to play a Star Wars conversion we found in the old Star Wars Gamer. I bet there is a PDF out there somewhere.

[@thedalewardens9106]

Our group still plays AD&D and Warhammer 2nd edition. We pulled out West End Games Star Wars about two years ago and did a couple of modules. I am not really worried about games going out if production other than the prices can go up once they get harder to find.

[@rascalqueen5426]

can't recommend Dropfleet Commander enough, it's such a fun game. I really love the range and targeting system with ships being able to try and slow roll to avoid fire or go in guns/engines blazing. And the ship aesthetics are very cool.

[@LeeGinSing]

Definitely have to add that Dropfleet Commander is awesome. Really unique, interesting mechanic (pings and detection) but it can be quite a bit fidgety. I've super-glued large washers to the bottoms of my starships to help them not slide around the table.

[@shiu-yikau6386]

Star Trek into the Unknown looks very promising. The development team is A+ and I like the idea of having "mission" focused games rather than always combat focused.

[@petervonbleichert9688]

Have it preordered!

[@Beltayn7272]

All of my friends picked up Void Admiral, you can use your armada ships, and the rules cost $8 for a hard copy or $2 for the digital one, totally worth a try.

[@flyingtosave]

Referring to your comment on Snap Ships Tactics. That's the draw for Legion! you buy the expansion and build it, #1 you get to paint them! #2 then you get to show them off, #3 and last BUT NOT least, playing!!! such a satisfying game!

[@anxiousmuffin]

What happened with Armada and X-Wing is why I've been moving towards miniature-agnostic games

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

The local club just got into Dropfleet Commander at an opportune time, it turns out, as the new edition is on the way. The models are really nice and quite easy to put together (compared to, say, GW nightmare kits with 20+ pieces for a single man size model) unless you want to magnetize, in which case the difficulty spikes hard. And as Crabbok says, easy to paint. It lacks Armada's fantastic shoot first, then move, system (which really underlines slow, lumbering capital ships) but has a lot of very fun rules, including the basic targeting system, where weapon range is based on how much "noise" the opposing ships made its last activation. If a battleship really went to town, firing all its weapons and launching all its fighter craft, gunning its engines to the max or manouvering hard, it lights up like an energy christmas tree and you can shoot it from a long way away. And it is an actual fleet game. Even my relatively small 999 point battlefleet consists of almost twenty ships of varying sizes (fighter screen not included), including utility ships that scan for enemy ships to paint them, point defense frigates and athmosphere hunters - because most of the game's scenarios are based around landing troops on space stations or planets from dedicated dropship carriers to win. We're also big into Warmachine, and several people play GW games, but if you're trying to get away from the hazards of corporate game giants the last is probably not for you :D

[@felipea7147]

New rules? I am just learning version 2

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

​@@felipea7147I don't think there is more than one edition of DfC :)

[@felipea7147]

@@KaptajnCongoboy You mention something about a new edition on the way? The last one I know is from 2022

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

@@felipea7147 The current rulebook (downloadable from the TTCombat webpage) is 1.7, still 1st edition . There have been some minor changes from 1.0 but the new edition will likely at least streamline ground combat and hopefully fix a few other things too. We know there will be a new faction and that existing factions will be re-balanced to be more distinctive in playstyle. I am pretty new to it too! Started this year.

[@rightwoke]

Star Trek into the unknown sounds interesting. To me x-wing and Armada suffered because all they were about was combat. They lacked interesting g and various mission scenarios and the total focus on one type of theme led directly to the highly competitive meta that killed the games.

[@dariolombardi7456]

Huge dropfleet commander fan here. It's a great time to start, new edition is on the horizon and ttcombat is clearing out their old starter sets. Great value for money. It's a very granular but rewarding game, and don't forget you've got ground combat as well ❤❤❤

[@acebadgerboy]

Can’t wait for Star Trek ITU - it looks great and the demo showed lots of potential.

[@shaunkrogulski9619]

Drop fleet and drop zone are fun and fairly unique systems I would second your recommendation for drop fleet.

[@casonwatkins3781]

I haven’t seen any one play dropfleet in my local area. It is hard to get behind a game without a group :-/

[@Nico-yo5py]

Wow dropfleet commander... it looks great.

[@flyingtosave]

I like that part of Star Trek that includes not just battles and shooting. I've always wanted something that was a smash of Catan and Memior 44. Both of which I like but are for sure on the simpler side of games I have played.

[@Misguided_mad_scientist]

I am supper excited for halo flash point I can’t to see some play through’s of that

[@bobafettig8899]

Can definitely recommend one page rules Grimdark Future Warfleets. It’s a bit more similar to games like BFG, but has some armada influence as well. Game is model agnostic so you can use all of your armada minis to play and the rules are completely free.

[@djwillme]

Not sure how you could say it but you, Crabbok, are not responsible for how players feel about the game and whether it “survives”. These are totally valid and helpful for those who want a game that is still actively developed.

[@davidjulien140]

Or you can play Xwing differently in coop with the wonderful fan mode Heroes of Aturi Cluster.

[@Shaggeechaos]

I am very interested in Star Trek into the unknown but I don't personally like wizkids as a company. I'm going to wait to see where the future of that game is going.

[@GreyG88479]

Dropfleet Commander is my go to space combat game. I'm looking forward to the possible new edition. Star Trek into the unknown looks promising, I want an Akira class.

[@GHOSTDOG58]

Cyberpunk Red Combat Zone is an amazing gaming system! I love Star Wars Legion and Shatterpoint, but Cyberpunk's deceptively simply game system is quick fun to play and yet allows for plenty of strategy. Can't recommend it enough!

[@WaaaghPaint]

Good mentions on this list - ST Unknown I really want to try now. Thanks!

[@GenDercius]

I would highly recommend Dropfleet Commander. It's fun to play, the models are great, and it's not as expensive as something like a Games Workshop product (though to be fair that's a high bar). The lore is excellent as well, in my opinion, but still leaves a lot of room for customization.

[@markkuhn1297]

I downloaded One Page Rules and bought two bags of plastic army men at Amazon. Total cost about 20 bucks. Having a blast.

[@wolfmirebacta8710]

Dropfleet, and I assume Dropzone, will be getting a new faction here soon. Also new edition of Dropfleet is coming. I’m happy someone still talks about the game

[@aaronsomerville2124]

Play Star Fleet Battles. It's worth the investment of time to learn the rules. Dead cheap compared to X-wing or Armada. Been pretty much the same since the late '70s. Classic Star Trek ships (plus some "Star Fleet Universe" originals) dueling with phasers, disruptors, photon torpedoes, etc. Good fun and very tactically deep.

[@shmegatron]

Long live the empire

[@shaundaly1134]

Can highly recommend Cyberpunk combat zone.

[@dannylavoie8348]

Try Malifaux, its awesome. And I already bought the starter set for Dropfleet Commander since Armanada is Dead…

[@chucktyler4057]

You left out the elephant in the room. GW has a futuristic combat game that has proven to be very successful. Around here I could do a pickup game every weekend. Many factions, deep, deep lore, with new products coming out all the time (although it is a little on the expensive side).

[@brians4016]

Star Trek Into The Unknown needs to be released already!

[@mrgandw]

As interesting as some of these games look, the star wars part of x-wing was a big seller for me and as I only play x-wing with my friends a couple times a year now I would probably not play any new games very often. The idea of getting into a new game also seems exhausting to me. As I get older it's probably good that my last hurrah in miniature game spending is happening right now and I will be saving money for mortgage and other things afterwards. Besides, I still haven't flown the majority of pilots in x-wing so that will last me ages.

[@capnapathy]

Leviathans: The Great War. Steam punk zeppelins in an alt history europe with a simple 1 die for hull targeting, 4 die attack value.

[@llamaExcellence]

As an alterative to Armada - accepted in a very different setting, my local group are getting into Dystopian Wars.

[@thepoet6264]

Still hate to see the drop of XWing and Armada, though it was seen from the horizon, but I appreciate you for providing some alternatives with seemingly future support and content.

[@Thetictacman]

Definitely hypes for halo and been looking at cyberpunk. I have friends who don't play minis games and both of these have nabbed their attention. My only hang up with cyberpunk is necromanda fills that niche for me, but with luck I can just get the rules and use my necromunda minis

[@thehikingcucumber3410]

I’m definitely getting Star Trek Into the Unknown!

[@tonyrosaj]

I backed EVE: War for New Eden, largely because I had a feeling Armada was going to be dropped by AMG. Not sure how that will play out, but it looks interesting. That being said, it's a board game and very component heavy.

[@DaedalEVE]

I just put $300 into combat zone. Got the Starter set in the new kickstarter, Max Tac, and the ship they fly around in.

[@scubaguymi]

Ending support, and stopping production are two seperate things. That is the most frustrating thing about all this. In the end, i played both X-Wing and Armada because it is Star Wars. All the stories, movies, books, and lore. Most of these other games have next to no lore and background, at least any I am familiar with.. Diminishes the appeal to me. Thanks for the options, though.

[@R.D.G.C.]

I will be checking out these soon!

[@arkhamwarden]

Dropfleet Commander looks nice

[@jamesmeyer2949]

I love Dopfleet as there is strategy you need to consider depending on which scenario you are playing. That scenario can determine how you build your fleets too. Had a game where I won the space fight, but royally lost the game. The only downside to the game for me is it takes a serios time commitment to play (3+ hours, but newbies).

[@christopherhicks2396]

Seriously appreciate your work on all your content! REALLY looking forward to STAR TREK!. Live long and prosper! 🤩

[@PsychJ7]

Shout out to Aerodome as its a cool dogfighting game with cards and no minis. Great beer and pretzels game

[@charlescassels3826]

The only bad part about Star Trek Into the Unknown is that it’s delayed until October! I’ve got it pre-ordered and can’t wait for it to arrive!

[@Shaggeechaos]

My son is all in on halo flashpoint

[@mythrando]

Mike Hutchinson of Planet Smasher Games (Gas Lands, A Billion Suns) recently commented that he is working on an expansion to A Billion Suns to make use of Armada's miniatures. ABS is pretty neat as it supports battles that are taking place in different systems simultaneously with drop points. He's also looking at a Gaslands in space version that is described as "What if Gaslands, X-Wing, and Frostgrave had a baby?" that would work very well with x-wing miniatures. Time Coded Video Link where he discusses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3u5c6GXq9B3jJo

[@drathlor]

Dropfleet Commander is Awesome

[@raysandrarexxia941]

+1 for snap ships, so much replay value

[@jamesschecter2149]

$149.99 for Star Trek...... Really. Makes me wonder about the expansions.

[@TheTobaccoman]

I’ll just say with armada being axed, into the unknown couldn’t come at a better time. If you want your flagship fix , into the unknown is it. I hope it works as a combat game and an objective game from the start.

[@Hedgehobbit]

Will Star Trek Into the Unknown have expansions for original series ships. I have soooooooo many Next Generation games already.

[@NotADoctor828]

Dude, not gonna mention Core Space? It’s an amazing game, IMO.

[@tookiem7618]

Is there any chance another company could buy the license for Armada and keep it going?

[@Poland805]

Crabbok, thanks for the daily video, some good suggestions today. Quick question: any idea what Asomodee did with their remaining Armada stock? I cant find the Clone Wars stuff, especially Venators. Do they have a "clearing-house" type of page? Ebay is kind of absurd right now. Thanks for the insight.

[@Scuzzlebutt142]

Depending on how their licensing works, they may not be allowed to sell the remaining stock. Their license from Disney for the game may give them leave to sell that game for as long as they keep paying, and the renewal for those games may have just come up, it was not cost effective from their view to renew, so they lost it, and can't sell those items any more. What does make this a dick move is not telling us, they could have had a "lets get rid of the remaining stock sale", and let some people pick up what they needed in their lat run.

[@larsglania9244]

as a part of Armada player i will refuse getting these alternative games because for me the Star Wars: Armada wasnt finished because seperatists have less ships then Rebels, Imperials and Republic. for me it doesnt make sense there must be more then these few ships and in other words this game isnt having his potential to maximum there must be more then these upgrades and for me its a shame that they stopped updating the game on rules and stuff. i might think about that to pull triggers and take the whole thing on my own hands but if i do it then i would live my life with consequenzes on copyrights and stuff.... Star Wars: Armada must go on it is not finished !!!!!!!

[@VicodinElmo]

24 seconds. That’s a new record for me.

[@brianjones3321]

Wiz kids did Attack Wing a while back It was supposed to be there version of X-Wing. It was badly designed with too many factions. To see former X-Wing designers says a lot to me. I like that it's not like X- Wing I have X-Wing fir that.

[@peterkey4629]

It would be possible for another company to take up x wing again? Is that so absurd?

[@josephmoberly2109]

Is dropfleet commander at GenCon I wonder? I’d love to grab a demo

[@Tomreese130]

Star Trek Into the Unknown sounds exciting, but right now there's a gaping hole where Star Wars space table top used to be. Either a new studio needs to pick up Armada and X-Wing or we need a new Star Wars space game.

[@tomd3395]

Or the SW license moved!

[@Scuzzlebutt142]

@@tomd3395 Not gonna happen, as they are currently doing Legion and Shatterpoint, and probably just renewed it for X number of years.

[@Hedgehobbit]

They did make a Battlestar Galactica game but it tanked and disappeared in no time.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

I do think it's a shame that they are basing the halo game primarily on the MP mode of the games, i grew up on Playstation so i don't have nostalgia for there MP. I only ever really played the campaigns, so when i think of halo i think of a one man army spartan vs a bunch of aliens with maybe some marines around an invincible ally or 2

[@thanasischatzichristou437]

Crabbock ,I am sorry . . . .I will keep playing ARMADA!

[@BUChiAlpha]

My wallet was saying "no" to the Star Trek game, but now that there are no new X-Wing star-fighters coming out, I may have to rethink diving into the game.

[@Nihilp]

i think there is something wrong when a game announce there will be no new content does not mean the game ended... it means it is COMPLETE, it is in it's final and best form and maybe it is time to complete the collection with more and try bigger games, thematic stuff ecc.

[@NotMCKarl]

To my knowledge AMG isn't producing anymore ships for armada either, not just new content

[@Hedgehobbit]

But it isn't complete. There are holes in the ships available, especially for the Clone Wars (and double that for Armada).

[@keithpalmer4547]

Star Trek Into the Uknown it is.

[@altontheiss1861]

I'm broken hearted about X-Wing leaving, though been looking at another air combat based game called Aerodome Rising Horizons. I've seen it being played in some of the local game shops here around Austin and looks promising. Just ordered.

[@chadstilson8804]

Such a sad time but not surprised

[@dominator627]

Can you talk about battle fleet gohic

[@jamesschecter2149]

Hopefully Star Trek is better than Attack Wing.

[@elizabethlestrad5282]

Dropship looked promising, but sprues? Those are an archaic relic that need to disappear. The "it has to be done this way for detailing" excuse hasn't held water for years. Even less so when you look at the insanely detailed minis being put out by crowd funded games and especially not in the wake of games like Xwing and Armada.

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

Miniature gamers really obsess over sprues. I'm not the biggest fan myself, because there typically are way too many parts (I actually liked resin or resin+metal combos better because it didn't take a week to assemble a model, but 3d printing has been giving a good showing lately too) but most people have been housebroken to it by GW.

[@tookiem7618]

Am I the only one who has zero interest in shatterpoint? I haven't bought a shred of AMG content.

[@TKrakowski1]

You are not. AMG is dead to me

[@scubaguymi]

Nope. I have zero interest in anything that dumpster fire of a company puts out.

[@Hedgehobbit]

I was hoping that AMG would make a Star Wars game 100% compatible with Marvel Crisis Protocol. That we could have that Darth Vader vs Dr. Doom fight we've all been waiting for. (Or Luke vs Captain America/Has Solo vs Punisher/ etc). My understanding is that the two games aren't even in the same scale.

[@scubaguymi]

@@Hedgehobbit shows how little amg knows about anything. They no idea how to run a business, roll with a well-made minis game, or make anything worthwhile.

[@gloomforged]

The remaining planes have been repackaged for Legion Imperialis, but Aeronautica Imperialis is still kind of a thing. Gameplay is great and could appeal to X-wing players. 3d printers are a thing for the factions that were removed.

[@dominicsevilla1189]

Currently im waiting on Apex Legends to ship. I supported them on kickstarter

[@Svn07]

All sucks