Five heads are better than one - Prusa XL

[@shakeelali20]

"Now if you don't mind, id like to be alone with this thing for a little while". Ah yes Dan, the words of every tech geek right after we open a shiny new gadget.

[@zybch]

For $4k it'd better be a LOT more than just 'a little while'.

[@Pixelplanet5]

@@zybch luckily buying a Prusa printer means you gonna have a lot of years with that thing. they are reliable work horses and if something goes wrong you can easily get replacement parts. you can even still get parts for the old Prusa i3 MK2 which came out in 2016

[@viduraherath4008]

@@zybch For 4k you are better off building a voron that does the same things and better too

[@demacherius1]

I hope someone makes that opening joke into a meme that we can use till eternity.😂

[@Dynamicdrifting]

Well five heads are better until they disagree 💀

[@shadowryft4964]

We still talking about printer head

[@TheSimRacers]

I dunno, thrill of the fight at that stage :)

[@rinhayashi8949]

My first thought was a hydra with its heads nipping at each other angrily lol

[@Vortex001_MLG]

Why would they disagree? They have specific gcode to follow

[@johns_craft8582]

😂

[@emerje0]

ShortCircuit: New amazing Prusa printer All the comments: Dan

[@Avruthlelbh]

Is there a problem?

[@svenanon1146]

Dan really is such a wholesome presenter. I want to say "comfortable nerd" in the best way possible too.

[@Hybris51129]

He is filling in the spot that Anthony used to occupy when it comes to the line up of hosts.

[@danipickles]

@@Hybris51129 Emily*

[@Ravenhold]

MORE DAN, we need more dan.

[@DJphotoandtech]

Yes! I love these kinds of videos hosted by Dan where he just geeks-out over cool shit!

[@Psyden5757]

8:36 That's dan strategically avoiding the gummy bear in a natural fashion, as he knows it's probably poisoned.

[@d.i.d]

This sweets are chemy cheap crap.

[@johanneslinnemann6660]

​@@d.i.dNope.

[@d.i.d]

@@johanneslinnemann6660 so buy 100 and eat it 🤣 i prefer natural food not crapy one

[@johanneslinnemann6660]

@@d.i.d Ever cared to read the ingredients?

[@ProfessorBear510]

"They know who I am talking about" that was funny!

[@jronmantech]

Big Brother is watching

[@Solarium07]

Big brother bambu

[@M4r10h]

I love my bambu printer, I printed in paper a portion of the anti ccp copy pasta and put it where the camera can somewhat view it (need large font, camera is low quality) so if ccp wants to spy, they can see anti-ccp propaganda. As for the models I print, its pretty much hobby stuff, a lot directly from their makerworld site, so they already have the files

[@Solarium07]

@@M4r10h I have an ender 3 s1 pro currently but might shoot for a mk4 or p1s

[@jronmantech]

haha yeah literally@@Solarium07

[@MrZulkiits]

I just Love Dan "nerding out" over this thing

[@Alpha7377]

best presenter at LTT, simple to the point and very soothing to listen to. Might i say the "Bob Ross" of LTT

[@jjblue95]

No way he opened up with a head joke 🤣 I'm dead get this man an Oscar

[@Polemistis93]

Dan is by far my favorite host. Everyone has their strengths but I love Dan's take on things. It just resonates.

[@Duckferd]

Worth noting is that at least several months ago, quite a few creators have highlighted issues they've had with the Prusa XL. A lot of updates have happened since then so it's hard to say what the current state of the printer is. Even in Dan's example I can see some ugly layer lines and yeah, some color blending- but it also finished, which at least a couple of months ago wasn't even guaranteed. I really want this printer to succeed, because the toolchanger concept beats out the bambulabs AMS if you're into multicolor/multimaterial printing by being way faster and with significantly less waste (also, some people paid literally $5K+ for their printers and it's unacceptable for those folks to not get the performance they've been expecting). I've also seen some mods for Voron 2.4s from the 3DP community that also look very promising, so in a few years we might have quite a few options out there.

[@Mr_Denuto]

Yeah i'm holding out for a 2-3 head option on a mk4 size unit

[@zdenekcerny9019]

I wouldn't worry, everything will get better and better with each next update, as is usual with the Prusa. Compared to Bambu, it is really a significantly better piece, prints faster, prints with less waste material and is able to combine different materials. It's an obvious choice for me, the $5K is back for a few large prints. (filament consumption and, in the case of a shorter print, also electricity consumption)

[@Duckferd]

@@zdenekcerny9019 "I wouldn't worry" is probably not the phrase I'd use. If I dropped $5K on one of these machines I'd replace "worry" with "expect" that they would fix the problems, because guaranteed I'd never buy anything from the company again if they don't stand behind it. They released it in a half-assed state when they didn't have to and damaged their reputation, so it's on them to fix it.

[@Duckferd]

@uto You're probably looking at a Voron 2.4 250mm with tapchanger. But at that size it's usually more common to find an IDEX printer from any number of vendors (or building your own).

[@huntakan]

Finally the brains behind the wan show telling me about heads, let’s go Dan!

[@josephrosati690]

You’re right Dan, we could all use more head

[@I_enjoy_some_things]

YESSSS I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS CERTIFIED DAN THE MAN CLASSIC.

[@deathreus]

"You know what you need? More head" Too right...

[@UncleJessy]

Seriously wishing I went with the 5 head option over the basic 1

[@baebyte]

Should have went with the P1S and a AMS combo several thousand cheaper and more reliable, XL has been nothing but problem s P1S no issues.

[@noisycarlos]

​​@@baebyteas long as you don't need different materials or bigger bed

[@t0biascze644]

@@baebyte XL is very useful if you want to print multi color or multifilament, without spending more filament on purging than on the print itself

[@MaxMichel89]

You could still Upgrade to more heads.

[@blastbottles]

​@@baebytehe already has both

[@4RILDIGITAL]

The Prusa XL sure seems like a game-changer with its massive build volume and five tool heads.

[@TB-zf7we]

If I am not mistaken Prusa said an enclosure was going to be made available that had a place for a camera to oversee the printing and other tricks, like LED lights... What happened to their planned enclosure (saw it reported from a trade show by Prusa rep) for this great printer?

[@Esablaka]

You printed on a VERY wobbly table, didn't ya? At least looked like it in the footage ( 9:53 ). My company recently added a Prusa XL to it's 3 prusa mk3s . While there are certainly other printers which print faster and even with better results, the benefit of the Prusas is that the result will be the same every single time. Run them for thousands of hours, some maintenance once a year and that's it. While expensive it's really the only feasible option available at this point in time for the print size. We got it with 3 heads. 2 are filled with different colours regular PETGs and one Carbon fiber PETG. So far it has been a reliable workhorse and while one shouldnt buy a product because of promises of updates, we only expect it to get better with improved software in the future.

[@kyky7kyle7]

slow printers are indeed consistent

[@nintendorox5]

@@kyky7kyle7#BambuGang

[@NateBOT16]

Easily the best opening 3 seconds of an LMG video in existance.

[@Keptains]

Amazing, i would love a full-sized LLT main video on the Prusa XL! No one buys and should buy the single tool head version. The only reason to do so is financial reasons and even then you should get atleast the two-head version in my opinion. I personaly got the two-head version because i wasnt sure about the investment for the additional ones and because of the hickups they had in the beginning. I can confirm, got my printer a week ago, that i didnt have any of the issues aswell and i never saw parts coming out so beautifully that you dont even really see the layer lines its amazing Usually i just print "casual" smaller parts which i design myself so honestly its fully overkill for my usecases. But i like to have the option of multi-color and multi-material prints. Just some examples: - Print with 1-4x Filaments + water solveable(?) for supports - Print with 1-4x Filamets + TPU to rubberize the feet/ground area of the part to make it none-slippery - Multicolorprint with 5x Colors - Configure backup toolheads so if Head1 runs out of filament Head2 can continou if you have loaded the same filament - Use different materials for support so its easier to remove - Use TPU together with some filament to print "in-built membranes" (the button of a remote out of TPU so its flexible and you can press it "thrue") And probably even more things i cant even think about yet, i love it! :D. Please full LTT Video! Good to show the new stuff from 3D Printers to the masses

[@mariospanna8389]

The layer lines are very obvious in this video and all videos i have seen of the XL, far better single head printers than this. For $4k not impressed...

[@RedAppleApe]

Ypu forget the biggest point. Less waste than other multi material solutions like Bambu‘s printer with the AMS. In the end a necessary step for Prusa since they have been massively outperformed by other manufacturers in the last two to three years.

[@krollmond7544]

​@mariospanna8389 the first video I saw was Teaching Tech's, every video I've seen over time has improved quality. You're just blind or not even watching the videos lol.

[@mariospanna8389]

@@krollmond7544 Whos a prusa fanboi huh? im here for all 3d printers, $4k for that quality is a joke. Take your blinkers off then talk.

[@rizz0d]

dan's delivery is delightful

[@TheRogueBro]

Make sure to grease the pins on the heads! Can't remember if it was CNC Kitchen or 3D Printing Nerd, but they had some issues without it

[@MaxMichel89]

The Manual is already updated

[@JeSuisUnePatate]

a glimpse of the real Dan at the last seconds of the vid. 🤣

[@NithinJune]

i thought the whole point with multi nozzle is that you don’t need a purge tower?

[@Zaf9670]

Dan’s opening. Priceless.

[@dragon2knight]

Dan and his fantastical machines....one of my fav parts of LTT 😊 This beastie is waaaaay out of my wheelhouse, but it is really nice!

[@daniellambert6207]

10:22 noticed an audio sync issue for one or two clips, and earlier a few out-of-focus closeups (focused on Dan arms, not the product) all that said, I will watch most any video with Dan

[@fluideight]

Really enjoy Dan's videos. Always informative and not over-the-top all the time.

[@flikflak24]

Easy fix to the crushing. In the slicer postprocessor just make it so that it always thrown in at the start of the program that the axis is all the way back at the tool change then the z goes all the way up to 0.2mm above the build plate and then the move to the opposite side ( makeing sure that if there is any print on the printer it gets pushed off automatically when it starts a print ) P.s. I really really wish that printers would also start useing G02. G03. R values. I values. J values and A values for doing round features ( perfect/even in both ends ) and where it starts or end at a different mouth compared to the opposite end as well as a set angle instead of all those micro steps ( I did open up a print file and could understand most of it since it's just normal Gcode witch is used on cnc's. So why not use all the movement commands instead of only some of them ? )

[@jonathanrreed]

dan is such a good and natural host, this is my first time seeing him since I stsrted my WAN binge and he plays a much more supportive role in that, its so exciting to see him shine in something as the main attraction, and lovely to see him so passionate about this beautiful piece of tech!!

[@craigburton6127]

I swear LTT is like Top Gear for Tech

[@zulnoth]

God I love seeing Dan present. Nicely job, Dan!

[@VinLAURiA]

Feels like this thing would be great for batching multiple print jobs as a single huge one, especially with how it has _five_ nozzles which would give you huge options for color and material without having to manually be there to switch out each time.

[@schnup2000]

I really liked Dan hosting this Video, great explanations calm manner just enjoyable to watch and listen to.

[@MrDonXX]

Hi Dan I'm new to the channel great job in the overview of the XL but when you showed the product it printed I was not impressed. I've also seen a few others for comparison on the XL and this seems to be the quality of this system. For the price one would think it would have less artifacts in the print. The XL looks like a solid printer anyway and would not mind having one but not sure if I could sell anything from it the way that the demo looked. Just my two cents

[@bgbc1]

"you need more head" some one from 80s tv culture hahahaha

[@danielbruin]

9:50... wait! 14.500 thousand in 4,5 hours that's every 1.1 sec?? seems about a order of magnitude off ;)

[@heikkikitt]

I was thinking the same. Probably ment 14 hundred.

[@dermozart80]

For anyone wondering where the name HARIBO comes from, let me help you: it's from a German guy called Hans Riegel and he lived in Bonn.

[@xAsphyxiatee]

Always love seeing some 3d printing content from you guys! Even more of a bonus that Dan is presenting it! Hope to see more 3d printing content coming out!!

[@kickinacoustic6119]

I definitely want more Dan 3d printer unboxing or possibly even lab testing of 3d printers would be great.

[@PutTheKettleOnGromit]

Try printing TPU with PLA supports. Amazing results. Use the dissolvable supports option with 0.1mm offset separation. Custom seals/ gaskets are so much better when the supports just come off so easily.

[@dazzauk8334]

I have this and the x1c , couldn't be more happier. I made some handle grips on my xl using pla and tpu as the grip material.

[@Qwarzz]

Does printing TPU inserts in other materials work easily? This is the sort of thing I'm considering Prusa XL, just two tools would probably be enough for me.

[@dazzauk8334]

@@Qwarzz It does work easily once you set the volumetric speeds correctly. This guy's video explains it in better detail. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYa7lnx7irhpbqs

[@Jolly_Green23]

I just bought the MK4 and I absolutely love it! I do wish I cound print bigger things, but this ($799 kit) was the most I was willing to spend.

[@CJ-ur3fx]

I've only seen Dan on the WAN show before. What an excellent presenter he is! I'll definitely be watching his future videos.

[@sebastianjost]

why do you need a purge tower if you already have separate nozzles? Is there a mode to at least make separate towers for each color, so you can recycle them more easily?

[@awzup57]

becasue you want to make sure that the filament is "primed" and at the tip of the nozzle ready to print. In theory, you could just run it, but with them not all being heated all the time, there will be a little retraction that will happen so priming them is just an easy fast way to make sure there are no issues with print reliability

[@nilslorand]

you could most likely purge to infill

[@bryancampbell4604]

Dan always makes a video better. His reviews are top tier.

[@jurriaandejongh8677]

Dan's excited nerd energy feels like standing beside an active unstable warp core. I love it.

[@Toy_and_Prop_Masters]

Hey Dan, excellent video! Sorry for the lengthy comment in advance. I was initially leaning toward the Prusa XL, thinking it would finally meet my needs, but after watching your video, I’m now unsure about whether it’s the right choice for my specific requirements. To give you some context, what I primarily need from a 3D printer isn’t necessarily speed, but precision. I often prototype intricate parts that must fit together with tight tolerances, so accuracy is key. I was initially drawn to the Prusa XL for its build volume, which I thought would be ideal, as my typical print heights range from 2” (50mm) to a maximum of 14” (356mm). While I mostly work with single-color prints, I’m also open to multi-color or multi-material options when needed, like the XL promises. However, the most critical aspect for me is achieving a smooth surface finish akin to SLA prints, but without the associated hassle of maintaining an SLA printer. I’ve heard that the Prusa XL’s slicer now includes the Arachne perimeter generator, which promises improved print quality, and that was something I found promising. Based on your extensive experience with various machines, I’d love to hear your thoughts on which printer would best meet these needs. Specifically, I’m looking for precision, ease of use, and the ability to deliver professional quality prototypes, without the maintenance demands of an SLA system. I trust your judgment and would greatly appreciate any suggestions or guidance on what to consider next in my search. Should I keep waiting or should I take the plunge? Thanks again for all the valuable content you create, it’s been a huge help!

[@tastymonkey]

It reminds me of those CAD plotters with multiple pens it would use to make multicolor drawings. This was in the mid 90s when I got to tinker with one.

[@tau93]

at 12:13 the caption says "Pruge/Prime", is Pruge a typo or a portmanteau of Prusa and Purge?

[@Rico0chet]

Well deserved. I absolutely love my Prusa printers.

[@jeffhunter12]

the whole docking and undocking different printer heads is so fucking cool, this gives me so many sci fi vibes

[@sergeymikolaitis8205]

Dan, nice job! I wish to see you in the next ones! Good luck!

[@arminrichard1836]

Now you can do some cool stuff like including soluable support fillament in hard to reach places.

[@Qwarzz]

Will be interesting to see if other tool changer printers start coming to market this year as well. There are a few options for multimaterial but not in this way.

[@DOGbackwardz]

As someone that will only print in single filaments due to waste. That size purge tower is actually acceptable and I'd love to do washable supports with it. The caveat being that it's not worth 3x the price.

[@93DavidJ]

That first sentence is exactly what I was hoping for when opening this video.

[@AquaAK723]

that is a very steep price for this version of it, but I'd love to see an expanded full review. my usecase involves a lot of medium size prints (roughly 3x3x1) and I'd love to see if it could execute those all at once!

[@kurtwood9261]

Unfortunately that's the price of it being made completely in EU by properly compensated employees. Top-tier 24/7 support when something goes wrong (even when the warranty expires the support will do their best to help you. Ask me how I know that.), top-tier documentation, top-tier reliability, long-term software support with new features (not so long ago Prusa released an update to 4 year old Prusa Mini that added Input Shaper. Pretty much doubled the print speeds for me, it's like a completely new printer now). People don't call Prusas work-horses for no reason. They just work. Easy to maintain and service with available spare parts.

[@DemonicGorilla]

​@@kurtwood9261 prusa shill spotted

[@Jimmy_Jones]

I thought it was actually cheap from what I expected. I thought $6000. But I'm probably thinking of pricing from 7 years ago.

[@radekp8245]

10:16 the printer moves a lot when operating x axis. I would do the print test again on stable table...

[@Kosaro1234]

Excellent overview! This closely aligns with my own experience with this printer.

[@insultobot]

Fantastic video! Please keep up with the hobbyist videos especially 3D printing and more from Dan

[@han-dell]

12:14 lol pruge (the typo in the popup)

[@benjaminvdvyt]

The price is absurd, it also offers something no one else does. If you mass print colour this is definitely better than a Bambu with AMS, that's not even taking in the bed size, which is also great. But like Dan said, the biggest thing is multimaterial. An AMS struggles with swapping certain materials like softer TPU, which should be no problem here. Still, it 'only' does 5 colours vs Bambu's possible 16, and the price is absurd. I also found the print quality very lackluster. Joels problem is apparent here as well, which makes me think that the multi head system isn't working as well as it should. For 4k this is unacceptable.

[@TooLazyToFail]

$2,000 is a lot, but that's also what I paid for my Makerbot 2 in 2012, and this is INCREDIBLE by comparison, not to mention that those are smaller dollars now. Very reasonable for what you're getting here.

[@CryptikDesign]

Elegoo Neptune 4 Max has a larger print volume if that's all you care about. It's also 20% of the cost

[@TrueThanny]

But Prusa's just work. You don't need to fiddle around with them.

[@CryptikDesign]

@@TrueThanny i don't disagree, but for some people if your looking for size and don't have money. $500 vs $2000 is a big difference for people.

[@LilApe]

Elegoo is CCP junk

[@alavizaman8917]

New strategy, put Dan in every video and watch the numbers blow up

[@alexzoin]

Dan's presentation style is awesome it feels very PBS in an extremely appealing way.

[@BigColton]

I bought the neptune pro 4 based on yalls review of that and it's been utter hell keeping it going. Would love to hear yalls experience with it

[@anotherconfused1]

Not sure if this will be seen but great video, would love to see a video where you guys take an X1C and install the custom firmware X1Plus on it too when that becomes available

[@nintendorox5]

this this this love my X1C and im not interested in tinkering, but watching someone else push it to its limits would be entertaining as shit

[@Funsiz3dBlacksmith]

I don't understand why it still needs a purge Tower if it can have five different filaments it wouldn't need to swap elements

[@ChazmillsADLT]

A comparison in print time of the exact same model between this printer and the X1C would be great

[@riba2233]

X1c is much faster

[@LilApe]

@@riba2233 Wrong. Testing from X1 and XL owners has already been done. Single color prints print just as fast on the XL as the X1 because of input shaping. But multi color prints finish anywhere from 50-80% faster on the prusa XL due to how long it takes the bambu AMS to switch between colors. A 10hr multi color print on the X1 takes 5 or less hrs on the prusa XL. Lets not spread misinformation.

[@riba2233]

@@LilApe yeah no way. not talking about multicolor, but for normal prints bambu will always be faster FOR THE SAME QUALITY LEVELY, prusa doesn't have true input shaping like bambu does, it is not even close. you can see horrible layer lines even in this video, and that was a very slow print.

[@oskarwallin8715]

Not sure if i youtube doesnt make it justice. But the print quality did not look that great? Blobby, Stringy, Uneven layers etc. i havnt done FDM in a while though, but doesnt look like the print quality has increased by alot. What nozzle sizes was used?

[@timothyreeves615]

Would love to see you guys start using Maker’s Muse’s test coin as a reference print for these videos. I thinking it’d be not only a valuable data point on its own, but even more if we-the-viewers could then compare the results to what MM gets, when/if he puts out a review.

[@Karavusk]

the coin is a really simple print that doesn't tell you all that much about the printer. Even a benchy is a lot better for that

[@davidthemonkeyv1]

They could have a little pusher bar, like at a bowling alley, that shoves the print off when its complete so the bed is always clear and ready :p

[@francoisunger6466]

Why do you still need a purging tower with different heads ? Can't you purge them all once at the beginning and swap directly ?

[@LoweredLine]

I know this is a month late but you can its not a purge tower it's a priming tower to make sure the filament is heated and flowing smoothly has absolutely nothing to do with purging anything but you can do it by priming into infill but that could lead to delamination and inconsisten extrusion

[@ChubiChan]

Damn. Now I rip on my friends like "Wow man! That was a real Prusa XL move, there"

[@besewaxe4985]

Super hype to see lmg reviewing printers !!!!! would love to see a bambu labs video.

[@Blender3DProjects]

Why does it need a purge tower when each material has its own head?

[@elliottsw]

At 10:40 the audio seems a little out of sync.

[@Wikcentral]

combining PETG and PLA is great for support material as they do not stick to each other.

[@charliebridgman9144]

Yes, you can mix nozzle sizes

[@aussiebloke609]

1:32 Dan channeling his inner Rolf Harris (look it up.) 😁😁😁

[@shanematthews1985]

Did they fix all the issues? i've seen lots of complaints about this machine, as for multi-colour it is technically more efficient than the bambu AMS, although that can be mostly negated with purge models, but in terms of print quality i've seen videos of people struggling to get models as clean as what pops off of a bambu

[@InsaneGuitarist]

Those gummibears are all over the place here in Denmark at least, perhaps Scandinavia or EU. They are super great, I always buy some for each weekend.

[@jronmantech]

I got the Prusa MK4. The XL was out of my price range especially for my first printer. I was disappointed with the MK4 a few prints in and I tried to do an overnight print. That print failed, and it hasn't worked since.

[@Nidkidful]

Have you contacted their support? A big part of Prusas justification for their premium is that their support is actually competent and useful.

[@jronmantech]

Gonna be honest I haven't gotten around to it. When it was my 3rd or 4th ever print on it and it quits working I was quite discouraged. I plan to do it soon. I have some replacement nozzles on order and when those arrive I will contact support. I am very new to printing so I thought I would order some spare nozzles just incase. @@Nidkidful

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

Prusa’s stuff looks really cool and good, it’s unfortunate that the price makes it really hard to think of getting one of the other Prusa’s as an introduction to 3D printing.

[@Deses]

Wait, why is it purging if it has multiple nozzles? Isn't purging just used if you had multiple colors for one nozzle?

[@-B.H.]

Is this their first gen 5 print head large scale printer? If so the first gen pricing doesn't seem that outlandish for a assembled version for it's size.

[@MrHeHim]

Most the print quality issues were from using a 0.6mm nozzle and the slicer software or machine firmware not being able to properly manage the math for running said nozzle. Which is why they switched to 0.4mm nozzles on the new machines. The machine is $1500 with +$500 per each extra print head "that's how they get ya", then also an extra $1500 preassembled 😮 to be fair, they do have a well sorted machine for multi-material printing. If you don't want to waste as much material, print faster multi-material prints, and a larger print bed.. with over $4,000 extra in your pocket to burn, this is for you If you don't want to burn your pocket, but feel comfortable burning down your house the BambuLabs A1 w/multi-material is an amazing printer

[@taggerung890]

But what will we use if we can't use the included screwdriver?! I need to know!

[@kylelongstaff]

I do have to say it's a cool machine. In CAD though I can't possibly fathom its price. I guess you can argue that no other printer has 5 toolheads on it. Unless it's fully custom. Bringing that to the public at $5k is not bad.

[@ChronoXShadow]

Try printing an LTT Screwdriver handle with multiple colors/materials.

[@littlejack59]

a simple camera would be game changing but integrating it properly would probably be such a pain. Not sure if their software is open source like some other companies but if it is im sure someone will integrate something

[@ralmslb]

8:40 5 heads and still needs a massive purge tower? That is disappointing, if anything I would expect just a tiny wipe location to clean the nozzles filament droop

[@13orrax]

how long until these things can use CYMK+W colored filaments to make any color?

[@nagyzsolthun]

It's great to see Dan hosting a video without constantly trying to be funny. He has great insights and good presentation style, no need to try being a stand-up comedian all the time.

[@Harris83]

Okay, we need to know, was there a cut after that first line to let Dan recover?