Five years on revisiting the story of the 21st floor of Grenfell - BBC Newsnight

BBC News Culture Editor Katie Razzall examines the devastated lives of those who lost loves ones in one of the UK's worst modern disasters.
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The fire which destroyed Grenfell Tower in West London in June 2017 claimed the lives of 72 people and shattered the lives of countless others.
Katie Razzall re-examines what happened on the 21st floor of Grenfell and finds out what's changed for the survivors and bereaved. These include Marcio Gomes who lost his unborn son Logan after his mother breathed in too much toxic smoke and Hanan Wahabi who lost her brother and his family.
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[@teswsenbet1041]

Hashim Kedir was one of the victims. Just yesterday I was searching the internet to know the whereabouts of my university classmates 27 years ago, one of which was Hashim Kedir. I typed his name in Google search and found his name in a newspaper. At first I had no idea how he could be in the news. As I read on, I was shocked when I learned his death in the Grenfell Tower fire. I learned about the death of one of my most memorable persons five years after his death! I just can’t express my deep sadness! He was my classmate for five years. Whenever I remembered my university freshman year 30 years ago, I always remembered Hashim Kedir.

[@rajveerkanojiya2985]

😢😮

[@Maradonaldinho]

There's a saying, it goes something like... were not truly dead until our name is spoken for the final time... Hashim Kedir lives on in the hearts and minds of those who knew him. I'm sorry for your loss.

[@stf648]

May allah have mercy on his soul ameen❤. The fact he is still spoken in such a great light, shows you he was a wonderful human being.

[@sonyasever7625]

​@@stf648he didn't have mercy, as you see

[@Krystl_YT]

I lived around West London and had around 3 friends that lived in Grenfell. When the fire began they survived which was probably because they lived on the 2nd floor. But their own friends that lived on the 11th floor survived and they said every night they remember the screams of people and running down the emergency stairwell. I pray for the families of the victims. #JusticeForGrenfell.

[@sofiajohansson8537]

People saying "5 years, get over it" are crazy. I live in Sweden and I cannot even get over it. I wasn't even there. I watched everything unfold during the night from my home in Stockholm. I have been to London and seen Grenfell after the fact. And I cannot stop thinking about it. I cannot imagine been burnt alive, or losing someone there, or been there and managed to escape, or witnessed it live and trying to help people, the helplessness and heartbreaking witness statements from fire brigade, the aftermath with all the homeless. The constant cold hands from authorities, noone taking responsibility of the refurbishment, the countless houses that still to this day have this cladding. EVERYONE should be upset. Everyone should still care.

[@elliebradley5192]

You are absolutely right; it really does not help those poor people who's family and friends died 😢

[@albinklein7680]

Why? Disasters like this one happen on a daily basis worldwide. I would be thinking about those every remaining minute of my life. What good is that supposed to do?

[@JHS270694]

​@@albinklein7680because no justice has been given to this disaster. You think Grenfell happens in the UK every other day? Those responsible are still making bank, the fact they haven't been held into account reeks of corruption. "But it was years ago! Hur dur happens every day" Go hide your head in the sand like the rest of the heartless cowards wanting to put this behind them.

[@MercurialRed9]

@@albinklein7680 If it’s helps you to not feel anything, fine. You don’t get to tell other people how to feel about it. Had the victims and survivors had justice we may have been able to start healing. But over 6 years on there has been no justice, just media gaslighting and vilification.

[@SUNSHINE-bf3bw]

Total agreement, those poor people, I KNOW God was with them😓👏💔

[@alison4316]

Following Marcio and Andreia's story over the last several years.....to hear they split breaks my heart as if my own friends divorced. Hate that for them.

[@Nigelsmom2136]

I felt the same way. I remember seeing a video of them opening a couple of boxes of belongings that had been cleaned up and returned to them. Andreia was so happy they'd found a ring that had been her Mum's. When Marcio pulled out a dogbowl that had belonged to their little dog who hadn't survived he started sobbing. I always hoped they would be ok.

[@Sailingsilk]

I drove past the tower today and it was extremely harrowing seeing the tower in person and not on the news. May all their souls rest in peace

[@jaymesbond3055]

i am in the usa and this has left a scar on my soul, those that died and those that are left please know there is one person who feels for you, sheds tears and mourns for you. may those 72 who passed rest forever in paradise.

[@alison4316]

Same, in the US. It's almost just as bad that Marcio and Andreia have split. Hate it all

[@Gencturk92]

@@alison4316 USA has seen worst, nothing will ever surpass 9/11

[@clashroyale_spammer]

I hope all 72 souls of victims have already been reincarnated into newborn babies and they're living now better than in their previous lives before it ended of fire...

[@AJediSurvivor]

I remember watching this live on the news. I felt literal chills as I drove past it last week. I had to stop and pay my respects.

[@abztractboxingandstuff8384]

We need names! Name of the person whose decision it was to ignore the recommendations to add safety materials to the cladding, the name of who made the decision to focus on saving money regardless of the safety implications. Those people need to be held accountable.

[@johnbird7357]

@VeraBrightfeather Only one person signs a document to go ahead. The company that put the cladding on did what they were instructed to do. The real culprit is the idiot who rented the flat where the fire started. Overloading an extension lead, not owning a fire extinguisher and opening the window before he scarpered with his neighbour, leaving his front door open.

[@johnbird7357]

@VeraBrightfeather As you're as thick as two planks, and have also obviously not read the reports or the three police interviews with the tenant of the flat where the fire started you should have no opinion, but you THINK you are right, You are not. Don't bother replying as I don't do debate with morons.

[@whatchoicesrthere5333]

People don't just "Get Over" or "Move on." Trauma will be with them forever. Life may get easier but memories do not to go away. I have a mother I hate and will never forgive. The trauma is over fifty years old and all I wish is for her to die. You don't just get to forget. I wish I could.

[@paulallen2919]

I'm sorry and I understand. Trauma isn't something that you get over, even with therapy, the trauma is still imprinted in your nervous system it's not something that goes away. I had a lot of trauma as a kid, I'm in my 20s now and still feel it. I feel sorry for those affected by this fire

[@nezmustafa4271]

Damn what did she do.

[@amoreez]

It’s really upsetting seeing how bad the fire was and how many young people lost their lives. It’s also upsetting 5 years and no change?! Bless the people who died. The young ones who will never have a future. Bless them all.💚💚💚💚💚💚#justiceforgrenfall💚💚

[@adamant5419]

We need LESS people talking about this. It's happened, it's over. Knock the bloody eyesore down now and build a fountain or something.

[@mohamedtrevino8709]

1 slushxvibez Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@amoreez]

@@adamant5419 oops I put we need more people talking about this😅😅

[@amoreez]

@@adamant5419 but agreed with you

[@garyspruce7736]

What do you mean by no change?

[@elliebradley5192]

The companies that installed that cladding knew when it was tested beforehand that (quote: ' it goes up like an inferno ' ) All these years later no one has accepted any blame for the deaths of 75 people, including 15 children. Absolutely disgusting 😢

[@johnbird7357]

There is ONLY ONE person responsible. That is the one that signed a document stating that the cladding was safe. Not the actual builders, not the Council and not the Government. ONE PERSON, and when you delve to find out who he or she was, you get nowhere. For all I know it was signed as unsafe, and that was ignored. Nobody knows??? Bullshit, nobody will tell is more accurate.

[@SUNSHINE-bf3bw]

IF MANS JUSTICE DOESN'T GET THEM, GODS WILL...it's got to be hard, looking into a mirror...

[@johnbird7357]

@@SUNSHINE-bf3bw Surely, if there an all loving god, he would have saved them.

[@IanBlack66]

Me and my son were in London in September 2017 and we popped to Grenfell to pay our respects. The devastation was hard to take in. Love to you all 💕

[@adamant5419]

hopefully they will bulldoze it soon

[@sofiajohansson8537]

Me and my mom was there in the summer of 2019 and I was shocked to see it was still standing. Walking down portobello road market and suddenly see the green heart pop up was like a knife to my stomach. I had no idea it wasn't demolished yet, it was such a shock that I had to cry.

[@zemox2534]

RIP to all the people who died in the fire.

[@petersayers4843]

tragedy is still very real and should not be forgotten. victoria derbyshire should be acknowledged for sticking to this even when other media outlets did their best to push it to one side.

[@petersayers4843]

@@nba1942 that link takes you to some geezer talking out his nose...i've tryed to highlight someone who's made efforts to keep this disaster relevant. what you tryin to say ? say it clearly so we both know whats up :)

[@barbaravyse660]

Such a tragic event. And I’m so sorry to hear about the divorces.

[@ailsamasters6118]

Nobody wants to watch your stupid cooking video 🤢🤮

[@JuliaNik3]

What? I will never get over it, people responsible for death of all these innocent people must be punished

[@davidsonofyisrael4469]

It is not like they intentionally set fire to the place. Accidents happen.

[@JuliaNik3]

@@davidsonofyisrael4469 Of course but if you would watch some of Grenfell inquiry you would find out that the condition of this building posed a huge threat to the safety of those people and there were organisations, especially TMO, who should make sure they are safe in the place they live in and they just ignored every concern they were raising, they have not fulfilled their basic duties and this is punishable

[@johnbird7357]

@@davidsonofyisrael4469 The real cause of this accident was ignorance. The idiot who rented the flat where the fire started. Overloading an extension lead, not owning a fire extinguisher and opening the window before he scarpered with his neighbour, leaving his front door open. They can moan all they like about cladding, if he never opened his window the cladding would not have caught fire.

[@clashroyale_spammer]

I watched this in 2021 for the first time. I was terrified. Especially Rania's footage from the 23rd floor was so heartbreaking.

[@Nothinggirl]

Same except I looked into the tragedy a few days ago. When it happened I didn’t pay much attention to it. Watching Rania’s video was so heartbreaking and terrifying. Since then I can’t get it out of my head. I hope they all receive justice one day.

[@clashroyale_spammer]

@@Nothinggirl I'm so surprised, how I was so mentally stable back then in 2021, but since 2023 my mental health is down and I'm so overreacting to all bad things. I feel so sorry for all the families of the victims and also I'm sorry for the Grenfell residents, who lost their homes. Yes, I also hope that justice will come. Everyone deserves to be happy in the world. 💚

[@WorldwideWyatt]

Bless those poor victims and the families they left behind. 😢😢😢 Shame to everyone who allowed this to happen to save a few pounds.

[@MightyUnderdog]

May everyone who went through it find peace now

[@clashroyale_spammer]

Especially after reincarnation into newborn babies. God, bless them 🙏🙏🙏

[@johnbird7357]

@@clashroyale_spammer Are you a Hindu? You've mentioned reincarnation enough times on here.

[@guy7088]

Contractors breech of safety standards overlooked by profit.. Absolutely horrific for the 72 lives lost & yet no one is found accountable 😢

[@happyjonn9242]

People need to go to jail over this...

[@mohamedtrevino8709]

1 Happyjon n Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@prp3231]

There will be no justice. Cover up. The strategy is to prolong the enquiry for as long as possible. Hope the public forget. No one gets jail, or loses their jobs or face any justice.

[@mrbane8721]

Start with the fire department for telling everyone to shelter in place instead of evacuating, knowing they didn't have the ladders, equipment, or manpower to battle a high-rise fire.

[@SmellyElfromhell666]

In no way is it the fault of the fire service

[@zoekenny3619]

I remember watching the story on the news and just being in shock that something like that was happening in real time in full view of the media and yet it seemed like nothing was being done to stop it. Shocked that the inquiry is still going after all this time, what a disgrace. And in all these days of mourning for one person (who lived a life of unparalleled luxury, mind you), was there even a whimper of sympathy for the 72 that died that night including an unborn child? I'm very confused about British society, nothing makes sense.

[@samanthabarry5817]

It would seem the haves are more protected than any of us

[@laceypelham7535]

what a horrific tragedy. doing the right thing is easy, unless you are corrupt and greedy and self-serving.

[@hasos5577]

Heartbreaking Disaster😭😭😭💔💔💔

[@ailsamasters6118]

The Grenfell fire has ruined SO MANY lives. I feel so sad for Hanan & Salah but I pray that Marcio and Andreia get back together - such a lovely couple! 🙏🙏🤞🤞💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

[@camilla_k97]

May the victims' souls rest in peace 🙏🏻 Best wishes to all survivors ❤💙 Don't suffer from flashbacks, but think, how lucky you're, surviving this kind of hell. I wish you all happiness!

[@sarcasticallyrearranged]

What an utterly stupid comment! You can’t just force your brain to stop flashbacks from PTSD. If it were that simple, you wouldn’t be watching them describe their issues so many years later.

[@sarahmcwilliams5235]

💚 In memory of those From Sarah mcwilliams UK 🇬🇧 United Kingdom with my love

[@odd_shoes]

I know we are taught to follow instructions, especially instructions of the police, fire and emergency workers, but I don't know why anyone would stay in a burning building. As soon as I heard about it I would have left. Same with the twin towers. As soon as the one I was in or the other were hit, I would have started to evacuate.

[@johnbird7357]

The simple answer is one of the following,- they believed their god would save them or they had a collective lack of intelligence,

[@lookforitcx]

Horrible. Why is it still standing? Isn't it a risk?

[@MarkRyanSchulz]

So many similarities between this story and the South Korean Sewol Ferry. Corporate greed, flouting regulations, and the immediate authorities ultimately telling the victims to "shelter in place" while the ship was slipping beneath the waves. Almost all of the survivors defied the authorities' advice and got the hell out. For the love of God don't listen to the people in charge when your life is on the line, make your own judgement and if what you are told feels wrong, trust in yourself and protect yourself! That is the lesson to take away from these tragedies; no one is coming to save you. The fat suits will mourn and apologize for doing and/or saying the wrong thing. They will weep and feign sorrow, but you will be dead.

[@johnbird7357]

They won't read or hear the apology then.

[@shereesmazik5030]

Yes , yes , yes .

[@akosua.6040]

it’s so sad.

[@mow4ncry]

If I ever get to England might live long enough, never mind the tourist spots the first thing I'd want to visit is grenfell Tower

[@prp3231]

Stay away from the UK. It's very expensive. The transport infrastructure does not work. The railways are in a poor state. The roads are jammed with traffic everywhere . There are unlimited roadworks designed to make your life hell. The health service is on life support. Crime rates are sky high. Cost of living and travel is extortionate.

[@johnbird7357]

The vast majority of tourists go nowhere near this area. They go to Buckingham Palace, Hyde Park, Trafalgar Square, Oxford Street, Harrods, etc not this dump.

[@mow4ncry]

I know about the regular tourist trap locations but I am one at least probably the only one in the USA that's never going to forget that tragic event

[@thrind]

I'm living on 21st floor, why I'm watching this? RIP all victims.

[@themoores9817]

I know what you mean. In 2006, a building I lived in had 3 arson attacks in a week, and I was on the first floor in a building that was full of studios. Turns out, one of my neighbours had a coke habit and owed a drug dealer money. I got moved to a lovely place three times the size 2 roads away, but the damage was done. I now live in a bungalow, but fire is one of my biggest fears. The back door in my home is in my bedroom. It’s very sad what it comes to.

[@danielmorris6523]

All of us, whether we vote Labour or Conservative or "remain" vs "leave" have to make sure we reach across political lines and make sure we hold our MPs, whether we voted for them or not, to account for their failures. We need to rethink how we view people who live in these towers or in social housing. We need to make sure it never happens again, and only if we keep those who died in our memories and make sure our politicians know that it is a universal belief in this country that all people, of whatever background, religion or "status" deserve safe housing. Where the law doesn't go far enough then it needs to go further and change. Tenants need to be able to trust in an accountable and fair system where their complaints can be heard; preferably in public. The pursuit of profit must never be placed before human lives.

[@hannah7841]

RIP angels

[@clashroyale_spammer]

I hope their souls have already been reincarnated into newborn bodies and they're doing better now.

[@wendalboy]

Some ppl from the tmo and rydon should be held to account for this - the enquiry has found so many problems it looks like no individuals will be

[@bluecoffee8414]

The lady at 4:50 is very eloquent

[@franhamilton4538]

The tragedy shouldn't have happened the fire in the flat where it started should have just contained to that flat only absolute horrific may they rest in peace

[@fuckbankers]

They knew the cladding was highly combustible

[@nba1942]

1 Cejay Deo Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@jamesoakley4570]

and your point? sorry and your stupid point that your about to make?

[@garyspruce7736]

Who knew ?

[@fuckbankers]

@@garyspruce7736 they all knew. Tested several times.

[@fuckbankers]

@@garyspruce7736 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWnLXpWMZpt0oKs

[@sarahse3213]

🥺😭

[@ronyhussain1982]

God bless u all , keep growing all

[@mohamedtrevino8709]

1 Rony Hussain Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@mariahoness6160]

Just the same as hillsborough, Someone needs to be in prison for their part in the cause of these tragedies

[@fuckbankers]

We demand justice for Grenfell

[@andreamadden9153]

1 Cejay Deo Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@tinaturner134]

I want real justice

[@davidsonofyisrael4469]

Oh shit another SJW.

[@prp3231]

The Brits are good at cover up. Savile enquiry. Westminster enquiry, Dolphin House.

[@CT-vm4gf]

Who stays put in a burning building, that’s crazy.

[@IsraelMcKenzie.]

😢😢

[@hopeharley9734]

🙏❤️

[@rickyparrilla2426]

Whenever I see any videos about Grenfell fire, I get such a not in my throat. I've watched a few documentaries and other videos of people who recorded with their cell phones, and it's still heartbreaking to watch. 6 years now, and authorities in London still have not started removing cladding on many other buildings. Why do people take so long to do the most obvious, save lives. Prevent another Grenfell fire. Fire took 18 minutes to go from the 4th floor to the 23rd floor. That is incredibly fast, and this same cladding was also on the Tower in Dubai fire on New Years Eve a few years back, which also burned and traveled up the building very quickly. How in Gods name is this cladding still permitted to be put on buildings.

[@johnbird7357]

The original cladding on Grenfell Tower was replaced with cladding that had a much higher melting point. It was an improvement.

[@SUNSHINE-bf3bw]

It's a CRIME scene, hiding evidence, getting stories straight, the depravity of man...John 3:15-17

[@lisaharrod8386]

Justice for all involved? Gimme a break! Cutting corners and getting away with it is as old as dirt. Rarely do victims receive justice or those responsible pay for their crimes. Grow up! Millions of people have experienced devastating loss and grief. It's the human condition. No one is immune. No one is special. Its called life, and sometimes it just ain't fair.

[@jamesallen3887]

The Grenfell Tower disaster is a perfect example of the total cynicism that is intrinsic in the UK Govt, regulators, suppliers and manufacturers.. Fact is the UK unlike other countries is a top down society, those considered on the lower rungs of society are treated with disdain, considered an inconvenience and an unnecessary concern. Justice for Grenfell!!

[@chrlzle]

Did occur to me if the main communal fire alarms we're installed on all floors or if we're used at first instance assisting in the evacuation or linked to the tennents intercom system if applicable

[@johnbird7357]

Reports from the days after the fire said that some smoke alarms in communal areas (hallways outside lifts etc) were disabled by tenants so they could smoke there.

[@Sierraomega1991]

Remember speakimg to friend the morning after grenfell he is a fire fighter and his this was that he remembers every firefighter on his waych just lookimg on in horror and the comment of that building shouldnt act like that

[@SUNSHINE-bf3bw]

THANK YOU, for all of the eyewitness accounts, truth❤

[@Kurdish-uk]

Wow

[@paulmitchell5349]

Power surges in the building had often caused fires but nothing was done to update the wiring .

[@johnbird7357]

He ran an extension cable from his living room, where illegal tenants were sleeping on the floor, right down the hall and into the kitchen because he was too lazy to unplug and remove the fridge that had packed up working. He overloaded it, it got hot, caught fire, and that was that. No attempt to put it out, no fire extinguisher, he opened the window and ran for it with his neighbour, leaving his front door open.

[@kennixox262]

Why is the building still standing?

[@kyledonaghy237]

@Terminator-He was just asking a question dickhead

[@sweetcountrygirl]

The whole building should have been evacuated immediately how could they stay put that is ridiculous

[@You-fools]

In a typical tower block fires do not spread like that, because of the horrible regulations allowing for a single stairway for the entire building and the cost cutting to install highly flammable outer cladding the fire shot up, out and around the entire building rapidly. Staying put is completely reasonable and in most cases the safest option when fires start in apartments as you are risking smoke inhalation and crush in stairways as people rush to evacuate, creating more issues than simply staying put and letting the fire department reach and fight the fire. The fire brigade had no idea that the building was wrapped in essentially a chimney lined with gasoline.

[@tales2272]

​@@You-fools you can stay in the apartment. The second I hear there's a threat to the building where my loved ones are, authorities advice or not, I'm getting out as soon as possible.

[@You-fools]

@@tales2272 Your response is the exact reason small apartment fires can result in more people being crushed to death than actually harmed by the smoke or fire.

[@johnbird7357]

@@You-fools So the 'smart' people stayed where they were? Now they are all dead. Not that smart after all.

[@kimsherlock8969]

The facing on the tower highly inflamable to the extent of this tragedy. I also noticed not hearing fire alarms or warnings to everyone to vacate as a fire in the building 🔥????? A high density housing Tower full of families is it not the obvious to make it safe.????

[@kristycampbell5986]

1 Kim Sherlock Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@kimsherlock8969]

@@kristycampbell5986 What the FK am I saying? This tragedy I wonder 🤔 Could have been avoided by safty inspections in the Tower

[@johnbird7357]

@@kimsherlock8969 Explain how.

[@kimsherlock8969]

@@johnbird7357 I shouldn't have to explain the obvious. Social neglect for those whom are not royal at the cost of their lives. Counsel with an economy of blind eye neglect scroungers saving money 💰

[@johnbird7357]

@@kimsherlock8969 How about piling rubbish in the stairwell which prevented access to the only set of stairs? Is that the fault of the builder, the government or the people who were too lazy to take items too large for the rubbish chute down to the ground floor themselves? Was it the builder's fault as he only built one set of stairs? Or was it the architect? If you want to blame a government, blame Labour. The building was opened to tenants while they were in Downing Street. Who broke the lock on the dry riser cupboard that firemen fit the hoses to? Was that the government, the builder or local dickheads? Who vandalised smoke alarms in common areas like hallways from the stairs to the front doors of the flats so they never had to leave their floor to smoke their products? Was that the builder or the government? Who parked their vehicles on the yellow criss-cross lines reserved for the emergency services? Was that the government or the builder? Having no fire extinguisher in a flat. Is that the fault of the builder or the government? The cladding itself was supposed to be safer. When it was replaced in the refurbishment the metal used had a higher melting point. That was an improvement, but the design was wrong as it never fully encased the interior flammable material. That is not the fault of the government, It is the fault of the building inspector who declared it safe. Nobody knows who he/she is. Why not?.If you go right back to the start, why did the tenant run for it with his neighbour? He opened the window for what purpose? It was a small fire visible from the front door, which he left open when he hopped it. This is in his police statement. He was too lazy to get rid of a non-working fridge, and said could not reach the socket to get the plug out. So he ran an extension cable from hos living room right along the hall and into his kitchen. He plugged in the fridge, the microwave and the kettle. It overheated and caught fire. How is any of that the fault of the builder or the government? Was he prosecuted for having illegal 'tenants' sleeping on his living room floor? It took three police interviews for him to reveal these facts as the first one was no good as he struggles with English. So the police had to get a translator in for the next two interviews. And finally, I have dodgy legs, but there is no chance whatsoever of me staying in a building that is on fire, even if the order came from the Prime Minister. I would get myself out somehow. If my legs were okay I'd have probably grabbed a child and took it with me. Not heroic at all, just sensible.

[@sadiq_akbar_taranwal]

I respect everyone who were involved in this Seriously the best piece that i ve ever seen on KZbin 💌 Hate off to well all 💟 love your videos..

[@prp3231]

What's the outcome following the criminal investigations into the fire? Any arrests? Nearly a 100 people died, so how many arrests?

[@johnbird7357]

72

[@prp3231]

@johnbird7357 Oh, that's alright then.

[@prp3231]

@johnbird7357 nothing to see here, John, move on

[@ce1834]

Lessons have to be learnt, but if its unsafe and in the midst of a housing crisis, the last thing we need is its smoked out ruins kept in wraps as a shrine

[@sarcasticallyrearranged]

Lessons are NEVER learnt since no one is ever punished for their actions and nothing is yet to change!

[@mow4ncry]

I don't know why can't answer it but I am one and probably the only one in the USA who will never forget that tragic day. I still have on my dresser copies of magazines newspapers I guess from that day that I bought from England

[@Dozzy574]

It's a council flat they don't care about these council flats because most of the people who lived in it didn't pay tax and were on benefits

[@jimcourt9164]

Is comments off

[@baparyinternetdose-bid9188]

SubahanAllah

[@KentRoads]

Mohammad is a paedo

[@KentRC]

Paedophile worshipper

[@karenwardy4cix516]

I whach it on the news

[@eldee1628]

Always question the facts your given and never trust the government, the services it controls, or the TV. Use your own judgement and form your own opinions based on experience and research.

[@hassyg4083]

Everyone thing was done on the cheap renovating Grenfell. No one will jailed for breaking fire code laws

[@andreamadden9153]

1 hassy g Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@johnbird7357]

The cladding had been replaced by cladding with a higher melting point. That is an improvement. Which fire code laws do you refer to? Or would you like to hear about tenants and their ideas of safety in the block?

[@JoseVGavila]

We in Valencia (Spain) have had a similar fire (yesterday, 22th February 2024). This should have not happened again!

[@2gointruth]

Why don't we ever talk about the faulty fridge-freezer (on the forth floor) that caused the fire?

[@happyjonn9242]

because that isn't the real problem, it was just the immediate cause.

[@kristycampbell5986]

1 2gointruth With Good News of The True Gospel Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@2gointruth]

@@happyjonn9242 With respect, the faulty fridge-freezer IS the real problem. If it had never shorted and caught fire, then people would not be disgussing cladding in the way that you are!

[@silentkilla14]

That was literally debunked time ago.

[@KentRoads]

Because Fridges are known to explode if you treat them like a dumbass..

[@mow4ncry]

The reason it wasn't contained is cuz they didn't bother to respond with the correct apparatus, in the USA they would have automatically rolled a aerial ladder truck and other things for any structure fire

[@Kalachu]

Building was too tall to really do anything had to just let it burn it was even too hot for them to fight the fire from the inside with temperatures around 1000c + as each flat is designed to contain a fire basically a isolated incinerator but with this fire on a bigger scale. Badly designed building with flammable cladding. The safest part of these types of buildings from the 1960s was where they put their rubbish if only they knew that.

[@mow4ncry]

The initial fire was only on the 4th floor the aerial ladder would have easily reached the fourth floor, however the building had substandard by US standards fire code requirements. In the US the year that building was built it would have had to have a sprinkler system. Sprinkler systems were required as early as the late sixties here on anything three stories or taller

[@Kalachu]

@@mow4ncry sprinklers would of helped but i'm not sure if this block had any. also it seems the block still had gas which is a no no in blocks of flats this tall in uk and because of this it also helped the fire spread. there's a video on here if you put in grenfell gas fueled the fire it will appear. so it seems it wasn't just the cladding.

[@mow4ncry]

No that's what I was kind of hinting at if this building was built in the USA as far back as 60s, it would have had to have been built with sprinklers this one was never done that way new

[@mow4ncry]

I suppose gas lines may have fueled the fire inside the building, but they did not cause the fire on the outside that was the siding cladding as you call it there

[@karenwardy4cix516]

I was there the day before it happened in 2017

[@vladimirputinforUSA]

Congratulations to you 🤡

[@norrinradd8923]

What started the fire?

[@johnbird7357]

Overloaded extension cable. I'll wait for the 'guessers' to try and prove me wrong before I write any more.

[@jimcourt9164]

It was caused by a faulty fridge owned by a waste of space

[@alexbowman7582]

Was it? More likely a kitchen fire and the tenant left the house and the fire doors open.

[@You-fools]

@@alexbowman7582 Was it? more likely a council sparing a few coins to wrap a building in oil because it houses poor people.

[@Nikolajnen]

they should be prosecuted by telling the victims to lock themselves in a room

[@brocity9318]

It feels like 3 years, man fuck covid

[@kristycampbell5986]

1 Bro City Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@karenwardy4cix516]

I was ther

[@IsraelMcKenzie.]

WE NEED THE DAMN JUSTICE NOW. WTF ARE THEY WAITING FOR.

[@jieli3313]

Do you think the dry this summer is better than last year?

[@mohamedtrevino8709]

1 jie li Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@samsmith3968]

💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

[@andreamadden9153]

1 Sam Smith Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@jetnight88]

Ohhhh bad bad bad bad

[@dr.bendover-md]

Local Council trying to save money over building cladding materials **ends up paying over 1 billion pound in compensation and damages** 🤣🤣🤣

[@johnbird7357]

If they were trying to save money why did they replace the cladding in a refurbishment? If they had no regard for safety why did the new cladding have a higher melting point? The building was opened to residents under a Labour Government. Why did it only have one staircase? I've lived in two tower blocks, and they both had two staircases.

[@aaronburge3680]

Life is short

[@kristycampbell5986]

1 Aaron Burge Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@Mizzkan]

The official opposition to the British Government, the BBC today has a story about…..

[@lifewithjanelle3643]

You

[@jaydenp4975]

Why can’t the brilliant minds of the world invent something to save people in instances like this? Some type of enclosed spiral escape slide/ vertical tube? Or zip lines to nearby buildings? Heat resistant escape elevators with solar powered batteries? Or parachutes? Anything to escape a fiery death. I’m no engineer or inventor for sure but many geniuses out there could come up with something? Maybe design fireproof stairs with ventilation and safety gear?

[@Realandysworld]

its sad very sad thanks to a government who made a deal for cheap work to take lives. 500 pounds and a hotel and the government gives thousands of pounds to Rwanda for luxury apartments.i guess the people who read my Post you do the maths

[@Realandysworld]

@Daggwe Jonjt 😆

[@garyspruce7736]

The Government made a deal for cheap work? I think you are talking about a different topic .

[@AntonDogg]

No, you can't blame the living arrangements after a fire for your divorce. I went through somthing similar except with SEVEN family members in one hotel room for a year and my wife and I are still going strong.

[@chelsea_Xxo]

Maybe y’all are just Trauma bonded, healthy grief & recovery from traumatic experiences can be very different for many & people change, sometimes permanently due to the new normal of their lives. Sometimes it’s for the better, a living circumstance can really be hell of heaven depending on what you emotionally need. Some people need to pick back up and not be stuck in a mid way station and i can understand that this may be bad for ones healing and all this can result in these breaks.. for someone that’s married you clearly don’t have a big comprehension of how people and love work.

[@SUNSHINE-bf3bw]

Build, like your building your own house

[@andreigromyko7069]

The whole period of 30 years of the country’s independence Kulibayev family robbed businesses, people. They were part of so called mighty Nazarbayev clan and this has to end. Only developed countries like yours are able to help to balance the justice in regards of this family. This process has already started. Even the latest movie about Nursultan Nazarbayev called Golden man produced by Oliver Stone tells the world the truth. Nazarbayev in his interview said himself that he shot peacefu civilians during events in Zhana Ozen in 2011. He admitted it himself. Crimes like this are against all legal and human rights. The small group of people has stolen all from the people and ruined the economy. Now the country is surviving. All because of bunch of criminals including Timur Kulibayev, Dinara Kulibayeva, Bolat Nazarbayev, Umut Shayakhmerova, Raushan Sagdiyeva. Howcome all of these crimes are unnoticed by the world leaders like you?!

[@sheilaghbrosky4150]

This has nothing to do with Grenfell. Move on Waldo!

[@vladimirputinforUSA]

I don’t know why nobody hasn’t burned down the council’s building yet

[@spottyty]

It's not cladding that's the problem yes it should have been avoided and never renovated the way it was but since so many buildings not just in London but all around the UK are built with it there is no way the government is going to pay so much money especially after Brexit and the current crisis to fix a bunch of buildings people need to check their fridges check their tv's check their instillations people need to be careful to avoid such disasters in the first place it is unfortunate that over one persons mistake so many people lost their lives.

[@hayley_joannaperkins5421]

Has anyone one being dun yet

[@homemediaandcoinsgalore]

#grenfell

[@YanestraAgain]

There are untouchables involved, so the report will be released on dates like day-before-christmas so that any discussion will be automatically stifled. That's England owned by nobility.

[@johnbird7357]

There is only ONE person responsible for the spread of the fire. That is the ONE person who signed that the cladding was safe. The outer casing replacement used in the refurbishment had a higher melting point than the cladding taken down. Therefore it was 'safer' than what was originally used. From what I understand the fault lied in the manufacturing procedure. It left a gap that never covered 100% of the interior material, and that was highly combustible.

[@alexbowman7582]

The fire was blamed on a fridge fire yet the manufacturer hasn’t been questioned or issued a recall. The fire started in a Muslims kitchen late at night when he would have been breaking his fast and cooking, the fire started the tenant left his house but left open the fire doors.

[@happyjonn9242]

Muslims are allowed to eat in the evenings (after sundown) even during Ramadan.

[@jairomewahabi8931]

Sounds a bit fishy. Cheap Cladding equals disaster.

[@halfprice2]

Your statements are untrue. There was a product safety investigation into the Whirlpool fridge. And the man did not leave his front door open - this was debunked long ago. He closed his door and knocked on his neighbours flats to let them know what was happening.

[@rid9160]

No justice

[@nba1942]

1 Rid Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@user-vu4yt7di7d]

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[@LICKSTERxx]

Jesus we're never going hear the end of this

[@mow4ncry]

Stay put advice is stupid that's what killed most of the people

[@You-fools]

the stay put advice is great in a building not covered in highly flammable cladding. The risk is significantly higher if everyone rushes down the single fire escape stairway, breathes in smoke or trample each-other in a panic. What killed most people was the council cutting corners and costs by installing a slightly cheaper cladding on the building that was known to be incredibly dangerous in a fire.

[@mow4ncry]

@@You-fools I agree if the building wasn't fully involved like this one was however in this case making people stay in the building is what killed a lot of them

[@johnbird7357]

. @@You-fools The replacement cladding had a higher melting point

[@auro1986]

bbc made refrigerator that does the heater's job

[@user-vu4yt7di7d]

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[@mohamedtrevino8709]

1 느님못생겨ᄊ Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer