Fix Your Broken Loop With This Method: Tutorial

Brian Flechsig from Mad River Outfitters and the Midwest Fly Fishing Schools shows you how to tie a Nailless Nail Knot to fix the broken factory loop on your fly line. This method can be used to add a loop to ANY fly line or sink tip that doesn't have a loop.
We've had alot of requests for this one a glad to finally get around to it.
Here is the chart for mathching stiffness and diameter of Maxima Clear with your fly line:
2wt-3wt- .013" 12lb
4wt- .015" 15lb
5wt-6wt- .017" 20lb
7wt- .019" 25lb
8wt-9wt- .022" 30lb
10wt- .024" 40lb
11wt-12wt- .026" 50lb (Rio Saltwater)
* These may differ a bit depending on the manufacturer/taper/diameter of your line
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[@hgj2019]

Great tutorial! This is precisely the method I use. Several years ago I treated myself to a really nice rig from a company that was once a reseller of really nice gear, but they are more into clothes now. That rig was the first fly line I ever had in over 40 years with the welded loop. I thought it was great until the line sheathing cracked at the hinge point at the end of the double line for the loop. I complained to the company at the store where I bought the rig, only to be told by a very young (“green”?) clerk that my cast was defective. (I’m pretty sure I was casting tight loops before he was born.) I went home, cut the looped end and nail-knotted the but end of a tapered leader to my line as I had done for years. Now, given a choice, I will NOT buy a factory welded loop end line. I prefer the tried and true. Thanks for putting it out there!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching and for backing us up here. Stay tuned.

[@flyfishingarabia1986]

Just getting started with fly fishing on the shores of the Red Sea in Saudi Arabia. Was practicing my casting and nearly snapped off the manufacturers loop on my fly line. This video saved me from having to order a whole new fly line (and then wait 2-3 weeks for it to arrive to start practicing my casting again). Thanks!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@tonywalkingstick8883]

Thank you so much for this. There was a time when my grandpa's best friend was one of my older brother in laws and he taught me that you don't want a big knot at the end of your fly line or coming off the mono before your leader because it would spook the fish. I live in Cherokee NC and have seen tourists spook trout in different ways and a lot has to do with their line and presentations. Love your videos and still love to learn. God bless y'all, Tony

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@jeffdurocher8669]

Every video I think it can't get any better, im always wrong in that thought.. You're a treasure trove of knowledge for all of fly fishing. Said it once before, im sure it won't be the last. Thank you!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks so much for the kind words. We appreciate you being here.

[@micahdean1856]

This is a wonderful video!! My loop connection just broke and I was looking for any way to not have to buy a new fly line! Thanks for the great tutorial!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for being here and happy to help!

[@BuffaloWill]

So happy that you guys don't use the same damn music every other fly fishing channel uses!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

It's all composed here on site using only mountain spring water and the finest hops and barley. Thanks!!

[@BuffaloWill]

Also, I am doing this to all my lines, awesome video.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Will Godwin as you should. Let us know if any questions on diameter per line weight.

[@billrafferty9422]

Perfect timing to see this tutorial. New to fly fishing and need to change a leader with no loops! I used a piece of copper electrical wire . softer to carry and will never rust.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Pretty sure good ol' monofilament doesn't rust though.

[@IrishFF187]

Great video. I just nicked the loop on my line. I'll try this method.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Let us know how it goes!!

[@farmerbob4554]

Thanks for the excellent tutorial. I really like this method for leader/line connection.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Farmer Bob Thanks for watching.

[@jasonmann3038]

I have recently subscribed to you channel and finding a lot of great tips. I not a big fan of using the tool to make these knots I am glade I found this video. I needed to replace some loops on some of fly lines and this is so much better!! Thanks

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. A far superior method if needing to go with loops.

[@gooddoggo2258]

Thank you for this video. I never use the welded loop on my flyline anymore. Just a short section of mono with a perfection loop. One of the biggest reasons being that the welded loop doesn’t like to go through guides, and if I have a fish make a run with the welded loop in the guides that could lead to a break off or a broken guide.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@petekeener8943]

I've never had lines with loops but you've convinced me that when I do, I'll just be cutting them off and attaching my lines with a blood knot like always have.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@petekeener8943]

@@Madriveroutfitters I might ask another question I've wondered, do fly lines and leaders get old in time when not used?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

@@petekeener8943 Please send your questions directly over to the shop and they will be happy to help. You can send them an email or give them a call. Thanks.

[@fabianvaras1273]

Hi there I saw the Mr Flip video works great I fishing for the Dorado here in the Parana river big game the good video

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for being here!

[@tomvavr1186]

Thank you so much for this video, you really solved my problem cause my first fly fishing set flyline does not have loops.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for being here!

[@Nigel_S452]

class tutorial I just did this to a floating line and it worked perfect. Thanks

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Happy to help.

[@falcosalmo3613]

Thanks for this video. We do the same in France. Way better energy transfer thus a better turn over of the leader. Loop to loop eats off a lot of the energy from the fly line to the leader. It is so preferably to tie a knot instead of a loop to loop.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Agreed and thanks for backing us up here. Glad to hear from folks that understand basic physics instead of believing what the industry tells them. Stay tuned...much more to come on this.

[@falcosalmo3613]

@@Madriveroutfittersabsolutely agree. Fly fishing education is somehow done thru publicity by the industry and it is totally biased. For example, a Shooting Head is designed to cast FASTER yet the industry sells it to cast farther... Folks better invest in knowledge and skills to actually UNDERSTAND the fly casting physics dynamics, mechanical properties of the tools and bio mechanics required to optimize those tools : fly rod, line and leader ... In France, fishing guides and instructors follow an academic cursus just as boxing, kayaking or climbing, where we study the dynamics and HOW TO TEACH. Our model has one referential common to every guide in the nation... We aim to provide an easier access to fly fishing to a wider public ... just as easy to practice let's say judo or football... I think we are talking the same language and having a similar approach maybe. Cheers and keep the cool stuff coming on !

[@falcosalmo3613]

@@Madriveroutfitters oh btw : Subscribed ! 😉🎣

[@Madriveroutfitters]

@@falcosalmo3613 Thanks for subscribing!

[@andyfletcher3561]

I don't know, I figured out how to tie the "nail knot" stream side without a nail. Of course that was before the "welded" loops, which as I haven't fished since moving to Oklahoma, I hadn't even heard of till this tutorial. Like your vids by the way. Love how you show how uncomplicated fly fishing really is. Anyway, I've done it as you just showed, tried those nylon PoS's that you shove into the end of the fly line, and a few other unmentionable ways as well. The inserts always seemed to work their way out and just getting them in centered and all the way was a real pain. Even with a drop of glue they would work out. I tried the loop to loop because I thought it would be quicker and easier, my thinking being that's how I did it as a kid fishing worms on spinning gear. I don't like the loop to loop at all. For me, it always affected my cast and how the leader laid out on the water. Most of my fishing was done on a couple of small streams on the north side of the San Gabriel mountains. Very tough fishing, lots of brush, trees and granite so I went through a lot of leaders. A LOT of leaders, LoL. Which brings me to my question, finally...How long is the actual taper and how many leaders would you have to tie on before cutting in to it is really an issue? As I recall that section of the line(I generally just used level lines as they were much cheaper) was at least several feet long. All my gear was stolen shortly after moving here :0( , including my favorite split bamboo, a 9'6" that was handed down from my great grandfather to my mother. He brought it with him from Germany and that was 1895? so over 100 years old. Had to re-wrap the guides when it first came to me and that was it. No clue what weight it was that was long since faded, if ever there. No clue who built it. But it would cast a 3 and a 7 equally well. Anyway, starting over now since I got a new rig for Christmas and I do believe I'm going to get some poppers and go after large mouth. I think that could be fun, lol.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for checking with us and thanks for watching. This is surely a case where e-mailing this over to Brian or better yet calling him at the shop to discuss will be the best way to answer your questions. He can be reached at 614-451-0363 or through e-mail at [e-mail].

[@chrismoss9487]

Wish we had a tackle shop like yourselves over in Warrington, England. I'd never leave 🤣

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@chrismoss9487]

@@Madriveroutfitters everyday... every spare minute I have I watch you guys ❤️

[@Madriveroutfitters]

@@chrismoss9487 Thanks for watching!

[@carsonridd]

Oh man, I needed this so much! Thank you!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Very welcome. Please stay tuned.

[@rompus23]

Really good videos. Simple and to the point. I have a question for you about this video. In a previous video you were showing how to tie a perfection loop in the fly line if it doesn't have a welded loop. So in this video if your loop beaks, why wouldn't you just cut down behind the broken loop and just tie a perfection loop? Are you just showing another option, or a better option? I'm just starting to get into fly fishing, so I'm sure this is dumb question on my end.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Have never shown or recommended tying a perfection loop in the fly line. If you saw that, it wasn't from Mad River Outfitters for sure. Perfection loops are for leaders, not for fly lines. You should never tie a knot in/with your fly line under any circumstances. This is the much better option here. Not a dumb question and thanks for watching.

[@rompus23]

@@Madriveroutfitters Thanks for the reply. I was watching one of your videos, but I just misinterpreted what I was seeing. Seeing that there is a loop in the end of the fly line, I just assumed that when that loop breaks, you just tie another loop in the end of your fly line. I assumed wrong. Lol. What do you expect from a lifelong bass fishermen from the South.

[@rompus23]

@Bradley Smith You're right, there is a lot to learn. Just cut off that loop on your fly line and use a nail knot to connect a piece of monofilament to your fly line. Then just tie a loop in the end of that mono and you're good to go. It took me a couple of practice runs on the knot, but it's not that tough to do. Just do what He did in this video and you will be ready to go.

[@jamescooper2618]

I like this loop much better than the factory welded loops.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@priode55]

Lathers wire is wire lathers use to tie h channel together making a soffit in commercial buildings such as hospitals but it’s not used much any more My dad was a lather Great tutorial

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing.

[@MikeTietel]

Lathers install lath; the wood strips, metal mesh, or wire that is the backing for plaster or stucco. One of their commonly used materials is called "lathers' wire".

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks.

[@motomoto2626]

Fantastic video. Thanks.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@johngates453]

Very nice video production ! Am I correct that I'd be winding INSIDE the big loop, and around the wire and fly line ?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

That is correct John! Thanks for watching.

[@NeObliviscaris3663]

You mentioned for a #7 fly line you would use a 25lb mono, how would the make up of that total leader look of staying with a 9ft leader overall. 25lb down to 10? down to 6?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Please send your questions directly to Brian at the shop and he'll be happy to help. You can e-mail him or give him a call. He doesn't come around these parts much but he's in the shop 6 days a week.

[@johanjamtland]

Hi Brian and Madriveroutfitters, Greetings from Sweden and thanks a million for all amazing content you've been doing over the years. I have a question regarding Maxima clear. I have been looking around for it in shops here in Sweden but haven't found it anywhere. Is there any similar line from any other manufacturer that you can recommend for this purpose? Kind regards Johan

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Please e-mail Brian directly at the shop and he'll be happy to help. [e-mail] will get right to him. He doesn't monitor the comments here but does answer all e-mails.

[@peytonledesma7283]

I fish in lakes that have moss in them and sometimes of the year lots of cotton what could i do because i like to keep my stuff from picking to much of it up

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Nail knotting a knotless leader directly to your fly line is the best option. Ditch the loops and keep your knots to a minimum. That's about all you can do.

[@reopened9482]

If you tye a surgeons loop to your fly line would that work? Or would the fly line slip and the knot eventually fail?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Reo pened Don’t ever tie a knot of any kind in your fly line!!!! Thus this video....

[@reopened9482]

@@Madriveroutfitters interesting, curious as to why that is? I have never fly fished before, but got a "tin can" and a cheap fly rod. Is the initial weld a different line and not the fly line itself? Sorry for lots of questions and I appreciate your response a lot 👍 good short video, nice and to the point

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Reo pened Energy should travel through your system in as straight a line as possible for best transfer of energy. Tying a knot in your line is also equivalent to attaching a split shot to it. Don’t do it. Do this. Any further questions please contact the shop directly and they will be happy to help.

[@reopened9482]

@@Madriveroutfitters thank you. Have a good day!

[@_rlh]

Good stuff, will this technique work when attaching the line to the backing. Put another was will a mono loop work with a backing?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Rick Hudson No, not really good or needed for that end.

[@falcosalmo3613]

For the backing end, I just do the same process with a piece of backing making a wide loop that can pass thru the reel spool then connect the rest of actual backing line loop to loop.

[@valeglenn4358]

A question for all us cheapskates. Could you just use the butt section of an old leader that has the right diameter? Especially if you were on the river and didn’t have anything with you. Could even keep the perfection loop that’s already on the leader if you wanted to.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Please send your questions directly over to Brian at the shop and he’ll be happy to help. E-mail is fine or you can call him.

[@waltgrisly509]

What size mono would you recommend for a 2wt line?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send an e-mail to the shop and Brian should get back to you there. You can also call him as well. Thanks.

[@ezigaming5915]

Is it possible to use MAXIMA ULTRAGREEN 20lb 017” beginner here my loop broke not sure ? Thanks in advance

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send this question directly to Brian at the shop via e-mail and he will get back to you there. He doesn’t check here but does monitor email every day. Thanks.

[@ShihabdeentheCyclist]

Can this system be used in spinning reel?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. You’d have to check with the folks at the shop though on that.

[@gabrielfusaru1211]

Thanks for your presentation. I still have one question: how one could avoid the braid core of the line to behave like a water wick and so convert the floating line into a thinking one? Is it possible to seal the fishing line end?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGmzaWt9eNuLq6c

[@gabrielfusaru1211]

Thanks! I live in Romania, Europe and the products you recommended are not available here. What about a drop of rubber cement glue or silicone on the line end just to seal the core?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

@@gabrielfusaru1211 Best to send questions like that directly to the shop via e-mail. They will be happy to help.

[@gabrielfusaru1211]

@@Madriveroutfitters OK. Thanks.

[@andybryson5061]

Could you add a sink tip to the fly line using this method?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send your questions directly to the shop and they will be happy to help. E-mail or give them a call. Thanks.

[@JF-tf3hk]

Can you just nail knot the leader directly to the line? Without looping?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Of course. Avoiding loops is always better but without them most people freak out.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Sean Mee Can obviously be done but very bad for casting as it messes with the taper of the line.

[@anton_gavrilov]

What about heavy sinking polyleaders? their buts look to big to connect them to this mono loop, I guess it won't be good for casting.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

It's not about the size....it's about the stiffness. As long as that "kits" up you are fine. Contact Brian at the shop if he can explain further.

[@patrickallen777]

Any problems with using Maxima chameleon instead of clear? I have it in the same diameter. Thanks - great videos!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Brian says it is a bit too stiff and you would need to step down in diameter compared to clear. Feel free to call or email him at the shop to discuss further. Thanks.

[@robertbranham3244]

Thx Bri

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@ryanmitton1327]

Did you ever get the "End of the line" book out? had a look for it but couldn't find it online. Thanks for all the great videos!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

He's still working on it......hopefully soon.

[@ryanmitton1327]

@@Madriveroutfitters Thanks! looking forward to it!

[@tonymaguire6475]

Hi Brian, I'm not a flyfishing angler but love the videos anyway. One question please, wont connecting the leader via loop to loop (after doing what it shows in the video) mean that you're connecting mono to mono, creating a cutting connection as the monos pull against each other when fighting a fish? To clarify, in watching one of your other excellent tutorials, connecting a leader to a flyline via loop to loop connection, you say to go 'line through leader' rather than 'leader through line' as the latter creates a cutting action. I feel this might have the same outcome, am I incorrect?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Loop-to-loop connection must be done correctly no matter what the materials. Feel free to contact the shop directly if they can help further. Thanks.

[@tonymaguire6475]

@@Madriveroutfitters I agree totally that connections need to be done correctly no matter the materials used but that wasn't my point. My query involved the use of the mono to mono connection shown in the video, mono on mono will cut each other as you referenced in your 'connecting a leader to a flyline via loop to loop connection' tutorial. In my type of fishing (Pike fishing) we use it to our advantage when creating a 'weak link' to a weight.

[@simonghantous8034]

I enjoy your video's sooo much. And i learned sooo much. So bud u recommend when i get a new fly line to cut the tip off and retie it. Thx

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Simon Ghantous This is a superior method if you need a loop.

[@simonghantous8034]

@@Madriveroutfitters when you retie i saw that between the fly line and when u tide the maxima it was a nice roll. Like there's no hinges it smooth and nice roll between the fly and maxima. Happy new year to Mad River and to the staff !!!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Simon Ghantous Exactly!!! Happy New Year to you as well.

[@MamacrackerJ]

So why do this over the perfection loop in your other video. Just better transfer of energy when casting?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please check with Brian directly through the shop and he’ll be happy help.

[@davidhaddon2854]

Very useful , easier to do than using a well known knot tying tool.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Very easy to do!

[@porjiboi]

I bought a beginner rod and reel combo with floating line installed, my question is can I tie a slow sinking line to the same type of leader that’s tied to my floating line? It’s a 6wt Martin,8 feet long. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

You CAN attach sinking leaders like these: www.madriveroutfitters.com/p-4654-rio-freshwater-versi-leaders.aspx They would loop right on to the tip of your floating line. Hope that helps and always feel free to contact the shop with further questions.......614-451-0363 or [e-mail]

[@jodyboy9107]

Thanks for that. Would that knot work to tie the fly line to thew backing as well if there is no loop on my fly line? Thanks!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Yes, it can be used that way but a bit better to just whip a loop. He has a video on that too!

[@mvnowak8350]

Is his set-up better than a loop made with hollow braided mono?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Much……very much.

[@DersABigBuck]

I'm confused. So if you use smaller leader material for a 4 wt than how do you start a leader with a formula higher than that? Dosent that disobey the law of energy transfer? Also if you do use a heavier say .019 for leader material than how do you properly tie this knot? Maybe I'm overthinking it.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please contact Brian at the shop directly and he'll be happy to help with that. He will clear up the confusion. Thanks.

[@Putaspellonyou]

Interesting. Would this be useful from smaller weight forward setups; 4 wt or 5 wt?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Absolutely. Works great!

[@albertlevy3721]

I bought a fly line that did not have a loop. Instead I found these small loops made of wire that you insert into the core of the line. Any opinions.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Albert Levy Yes. There is a reason why he showed this method and not that.

[@Whitetiger60]

For some reason I can't seem to get the knot tight enough. It keeps undoing. A little annoyed I thought the leader I bought had a loop.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Feel free to give the folks at the shop a call and they may be able to help?

[@carolinagonzalezcueto9951]

Hi Brian! Love your videos and had a decent start in fly fishing thanks to them. One question, may I use the butt of an old leader to do this fixing? I can't find where I am mono of the right number to match the fly line! Saludos desde España!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for checking with us. You'd need to know the diameter and stiffness of the material. Probably best to send Brian a message at the shop and he'll be happy to consult. He doesn't come around these parts often.

[@alexbannister1357]

Do you also remove the the factory welded loop on sinking lines ?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Yes, we do. Especially on sinking lines.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

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[@dennisboyd2859]

Thanks the great video. Can I use Amnesia 20lb to build this and make the perfection loop extension for my 5wt fly line? I'm going to build the leaders your suggest on your "Build Perfect Nymph & Streamer Leaders" and it starts with 20lb Amnesia so I guessing I can? I would like to create the loop so that I can easily switch to the streamer leader that you suggest on that same video.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send your questions over to Brian at the shop and he’ll get back to you there. Email is fine. Thanks.

[@andriejusradcenko2895]

Hi Brian! thanks for your videos great as always! What about tying a perfection loop on a fly line itself?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thenks for watching. Please don't do that. Possibly the worst thing that you could ever do in the world of fly fishing.

[@HouseCuber15]

I believe that tying it straight on the fly line would really hurt the transfer of energy from line to leader. That would be my guess to why it is frowned upon

[@weisswurstfruhstuck8523]

Why you make this part so short? I think I do it too long maybe. I take underarm length at least usually. I think this transfers the energy better from the thicker part towards the thinner actual leader at the end. Am I totally mistaken here ?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please contact Brian directly with your questions and he'll be happy to help. E-mail him or call him at the shop.

[@faridfozi9953]

Hi Brian, thanks a lot for your videos, can you tell me an equivalency for Maxima Clear line please ? Because I’m in France and I cannot find it in 20lb and 25lb

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Don't know brands but you'd need a stiff mono in .017" and .020".

[@robinred1851]

Hallo there. Try fluorocarbon line. It's even stiffer than normal monofilament and in the water it's invisible.

[@petervanderbeek9518]

What mono do i use for a 10 weight carron spey mid belly?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send your questions over to the shop via email or give them a call and they will be happy to help. Thanks.

[@hunterelliott4519]

Is the loop able to handle polyleaders?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Sure.

[@jeffhanna763]

Is Maxima Chameleon OK for this in place of the clear?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Yes, just be sure to get the stiffness matched up to the fly line.

[@muz3003]

Hey Brian and all staff at Mad River Outfitters. So based on the above chart of matching stiffness and diameter of Maxima material with your fly line, does this work too for the starting end butt of "make your own leader"? I mean, I have a 2wt and 4wt fly lines and it cannot start with the same Maxima diameter eg: .015" (15lbs) for 4wt? Please advise. Thank you. - Muz @moose

[@muz3003]

I found another video on "Buiding Your Own Leader" and the suggested formula starts with Maxima (Chameleon) .022 (30lbs) and .017 (20lbs) for the butt section, then goes to Maxima (Ultragreen) .015 (15lbs) and .010 (8lbs) for the mid section, then continue with the tippet section accordingly. I just need to know what material and diameter to start making own leaders for my 2wt, 3wt and 4wt fly lines.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

@@muz3003 please contact Brian at the shop directly and he can help. We CAN tell you that you have gotten some bad intel and he can fix it for you. Thanks.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Upon further review that is VERY bad and incorrect info. PLEASE contact Brian at the shop and he will clear it up for you. Thanks.

[@muz3003]

@@Madriveroutfitters I see. Well that's good that I'm asking this question before purchasing the Maxima materials. I don't live in the US anymore and moved back to Malaysia. I can only connect with email for now. Can you provide me with his direct email or email that I can reach out to him? Thanks

[@Madriveroutfitters]

@@muz3003 [e-mail]

[@JCS_72]

Can you post the link to the chart on the blog? I can't seem to find it!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

What weight line or lines are you trying to rig?

[@JCS_72]

@@Madriveroutfitters 3 weight

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Best would be .013" Maxima Clear which is the 12lb although depending on the line you may have to go down to .012" which is the 10lb. Just make sure you get a good bell curve and that the stiffness of the mono matches up with the fly line.

[@russelllieser4226]

Great videos. How can I get your book?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Russell Lieser Thanks. Book is not out just yet but soon. Stay tuned.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Russell Lieser Thanks. Book is not out just yet but soon. Stay tuned.

[@HIblue187]

Thank you for the video. What is the goop used for sealing the Fly Line after tying the looped line?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Can use Zap-a-gap, goop or aquaseal. Probably a few others out there too.

[@smiszuk18]

Just getting into fly fishing, was wondering how to do this. Thank you great video!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Steve M Glad we could help. Thanks for watching and stay in touch!

[@glenncharles6622]

Same here, total newbie and your tutorials are hugely beneficial. Thank you so much for the effort!!

[@MackDyluhTV]

Why tie the perfection loop rather than nail knotting your leader every time?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

You can certainly do that, but most folks prefer to utilize the "Loop to Loop" method. Saves having to tie a nail knot each time you want to change a leader. Nail knotting also cuts into the fly line and if you do it too many times, it can cut into the ever important taper. More to come on this though so stay tuned and thanks for watching.

[@Michael65429]

Take a pair of scissors and cut that stupid thing off! Love it...

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. He usually doesn't hide his opinions does he?

[@zachary3625]

It's basically a snell knot.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

No...it is a snell knot. Thanks for watching.

[@brianstark3578]

Why not use a "NAIL" for a nail knot

[@Madriveroutfitters]

You can.....this is Umerica.

[@jamescooper2618]

"Take me to your ladder. We'll talk about leaders later".

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@anthonyjamescoles9421]

Does using Mono vs Fluoro matter?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Anthony James Coles no but why use fluoro? Not a necessary expense.

[@anthonyjamescoles9421]

just what i had laying around from a salt water trip@@Madriveroutfitters

[@bakerthree6r]

Got a question. I will use 20lb maxima clear with a. Loop just like you did here. But then can I use 10lb maxima ultra green on a perfection loop for bass fishing ? It would make it easier cause 10lb mono is the smallest mono that will hold a square knot with a perfection loop. I would use about 6 feet of that 10 lb mono and use it for topwater or streamer bass fishing.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send your questions directly over to Brian at the shop and he’ll be happy to help. You can email him or call him. Thanks.

[@Prostotakrybalka]

Super instruktag !!!!!!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Muchas gracias!

[@Artisanwoodworks73]

I’m missing something.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Feel free to call or e-mail the shop directly with any questions. They are always happy to help.

[@nironbonitz]

How do you tie the fly on

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Hey Niron, using a clinch knot: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpjdkKpvfsaJZ6M check it out, we made a tutorial for that too!

[@KowboyUSA]

Didn't seal the tips of my lines. Need to do it right now before I forget.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

The snell actually does that pretty well for you but doesn't hurt to be safe! Thanks for watching.

[@theawkwardoutdoorsman8329]

Quick question, when using this technique, how often do you have to replace the loop? Does it get damaged? I used this technique a while back and I kept replacing the loop after a 1 or 2 fishing trips and I managed to cut the front taper off my fly line over the course of the season.......which makes me think I did something wrong. I have a new fly line and the welded loop is beginning to crack so im wondering what is the correct way to use this technique? how often do I need to change the loop?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Shouldn't have to replace it often or if ever. No reason it should get damaged. Any further questions you can contact Brian directly through the shop and he'll be happy to help.

[@theawkwardoutdoorsman8329]

@@Madriveroutfitters Ok thanks!

[@brettd530]

What's the difference between the nail knot used here and the nail knot used to attach the fly line to the backup line? I've used a loop created from a piece of mono to pull the tag end through a nail knot while attaching the fly line to the backup. I noticed you didn't used that "loop" for this knot. Is there a major difference, can either method work for both applications? The final results of both knots look awfully similar. Thanks, A novice fly fisher

[@Madriveroutfitters]

The final results are very similar. This one is more of a snell to be exact. You would not use that for the backing as you don't want to be pulling 100 + yards of backing through the knot. A standard nail knot works best for that. Feel free to contact the shop if any further questions.

[@davidbarham9113]

I’m still looking for the “End of the Line" and the chart of recommended Maxima line diameters for loop tying per this video. I’m I not looking in the right places? I’m good at that.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Contact Brian at the shop and he'll be able to help you out. Thanks.

[@briangillman735]

That's better than the welded loop anyway! The only time I actually use the welded loop is on spey and switch lines where the head attaches to the welded loop on the running line. This method doesn't work in that application because it creates a weak spot that breaks down your loop in the cast. As always another great video!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@ClearStreamsUK]

I've just had another thought... What about using a snell to whip a furled leader directly to the line? Or would you recommend snelling mono first?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

We typically snell them right on. Brian has a few videos on the subject.

[@leighbarnes2922]

Thanks for the vid, a while back I was struggling with presentation on one of my dry lines, tried a micro loop which didn't really sort it, that transfer through the doubled over kills the delicacy! I wound up doing very much the same, except I used the back section of a salwater tapered leader and ran about three feet of that post the nail knot then but tie on leader and tippets. so much cleaner! thanks for outlining the process you use.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@TheBenbeyer]

I took the plunge and snipped off both welded loops on my brand new Scientific Anglers Redfish Warm fly line this weekend when setting up my new Saltwater outfit. I appreciate the how to videos!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.

[@happywrench3044]

I use a toothpick or my hemostats to make a nail knot. Heck pass me a twig of a tree.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Paper clip is actually amazing too!

[@rhyssands8809]

Would braided work as well? I am just starting out in fly fishing, so I was just curious!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Rhys Sands Not at all. Must be stiff mono.

[@patrickjames6948]

Could I use 20lb Maxima Ultragreen instead of Clear for a 5wt line? Thanks for all the helpful and entertaining content!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

You can but it might change the diameter needed to match the tip of the line.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Contact Brian at the shop with specific questions and he can help.

[@christiangould4028]

Do you guys prefer this to a braided loop? Good video.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Absolutely....thus the video. Feel free to contact Brian at the shop if he can help further. Thanks.

[@Charactermatters650]

I always called that tie a snell knot.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

He does as well....kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXqTpmyLh6iVhK8

[@miguellozano5708]

THANK YOU, BRO.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@twsdlbh]

I might try this.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

It works well! Even if your loop isn't broken.

[@David-pc8tz]

Do you have a book on knot tying that goes step to step with pictures. Thanks.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

www.madriveroutfitters.com/p-4571-fishing-knots-lefty-kreh.aspx

[@David-pc8tz]

@@Madriveroutfitters Thanks

[@cr-us9ch]

Outstanding! Thank you

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.

[@johnnylightning1491]

And I learn something once again. Thanks!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Appreciate you being here. Stay tuned.

[@hunterelliott4519]

I actually used this method before I even knew it existed!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

So it did exist?

[@hunterelliott4519]

Mad River Outfitters, I used this method before I even knew people actually used it.

[@sdriza]

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make any noise?

[@carsonridd]

Can you use a blood knot for this?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Don't see how you could. The blood knot is for attaching mono to mono and not flyline to mono. The loop is a perfection loop or a surgeons loop. No blood knot here.

[@carsonridd]

Ok thank you!

[@Srkaljka]

Hello friend, nice tutorial videos you got, just to ask you, knots like FG knot and palomar are not good for fly fishing?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Send this question over to the shop e-mail at [e-mail]. Brian or one of the crew will answer you there. Thanks.

[@garryervin3463]

When will we see “End of the Line” ...

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Garry Ervin looks like it will hit in January!!! We’ll let you know of course.

[@jonstevens9931]

When on the river and need to apply a new leader this method is great. But if I am home and need to change a leader I take the fly line and dip the last half inch into nail polish removal. This allows for the fly line to be peeled off. You can then take the butt end of a leader and insert it into the fly line mesh. When you insert about an 8th of an inch you then put super glue on the connection. It's the best connection I have found.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

jon stevens But not sustainable for repeated application. Not to mention, not practical for most as onstream protocol. Not recommended.

[@jamesglenn520]

Sounds like a very Bad Idea 😖 Super Glue is very brittle and would not last very long. You would be better off to just learn how to tie a few proper knots👍