Fixing 22 Nosler - 22 NOSGAR! - Part 1

[@justinstruckman5831]

Glad to see you up and running with the Nosgar!

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Thanks again for sending the brass! This is a fun little test.

[@MarkiusFox]

Johnny: "These were one of the ones that got screwed up by the seating die the worst. So, these might be AWFUL." 55gr Varmageddon: *_prints the best group thus far_*

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I was gobsmacked!

[@eeikewok2901]

I’ve been waiting not so patiently for another video! Glad your back!!

[@geraldbondoc5974]

Your video content is so good that I don’t think they’re long at all. IMO, they fly by. 👍

[@Thorsaxe777]

You're killing it, dude. dispelling the rumors, unveiling the mystery and debunking the myth. You got a great channel dude. Keep up the good work buddy. Btw, (I)(Me) find for a set distance of impact, standard deviation has a very small effect on performance within reason. Now that is just based on my experience and results of repeatable accuracy.

[@nc_classics_9610]

Nosgar sounds like a Viking King

[@jeffhuntley2921]

Thanks Justin! Of course thanks JRB:) always love this kind of shooters ingenuity thats synonymous with reloading. Great video as always

[@johnmorgan2099]

Hey its my favorite reloader. Love the videos brother

[@countercivilization]

Hi Johnny's The 4895 is manufactured by ADI (Australia) and goes by the name AR2206H, I had excellent result with lighter projectile in 308. and inconstantly good result with my 223 were other powders did suck. Very reliable powder to use with reduce load, 2/3 Moa@100m with my 7.62x39 @1600fps using SST123. Some how l found SD could be high at times with very light or very heavy projectiles/bore but not always... Very handy powder to keep on your bench in my humble opinion ;) Thanks for the video

[@jimtanner8516]

Credits to your friend for sending you that brass he really keep you going on that project 👍🏻

[@uncleremis69]

I feel like a junkie waiting for a fix. I was ecstatic seeing your video on my notification. I’m interested in this project. Just a suggestion though, any thoughts on pistol videos? I know you did them in the past.

[@mikesimpson6757]

I love watching his videos. Would love to see some 450 Bushmaster.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I have a pistol video in the works. I won't give you an estimate of when it will be released, since I always seem to be late, but hopefully you won't be waiting too long.

[@psykoklown874]

I was thinking how funny it would be if the mangled ones actually grouped better and then BAM!, best group of the day.

[@anthonymurphy2345]

Same here!!! Been looking your old 300 blkout video as a reference b/c starting to reload for that caliber.

[@nilescoyote4829]

I really didnt need to see this! Now I want a 6mm Hagar barrel for my AR. The 6mmAR website has some nice looking velocity results with 105's, hmmm...

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Why not go with 6mmAR instead? Much easier to get Grendel brass.

[@anchorbait6662]

You gotta try and reproduce that smushed crimp job on those bullets and see if they still shoot that tight again. Those 55gr were amazing

[@michaellavazza960]

Man so glad you are back!

[@spyderxtra777]

I wish they had just focused on making an awesome new round that works, and if we had to use new bolts and magazines so be it. This whole “all it takes is a barrel change!” Sales pitch seems like it’s crippling the potential of some high performance AR15 rounds. Keep up the good work

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I couldn't agree more! Bolts aren't that expensive and they're not difficult to change.

[@GunFunZS]

And it would make so much more sense if it were "all it takes is a barrel change on your AR10".

[@paulharveu526]

Is neck wall thickness the same between Nosgar and Nosler? That could be why you had the seating issue?

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I'll be looking closely at that in the next video.

[@LongRangeProductions]

@@JohnnysReloadingBench The material has to go somewhere when you neck down.. Usually neck turning is in order after necking a caliber down. Looking forward to the results.

[@jimhans1]

Johnny, for next video, instead of cleaning, annealing then resizing again AFTER annealing, please do the annealing last AFTER you resize to get rid of the work hardening from the next resize also. I’ve found it helps with my ES and SD doing the annealing as the last step prior to adding powder and loading the shells. Edit: Glad to see another video, try and stay warm!!

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

It's a tough call and I've been wondering which one to do first. Anneal before resize and get a consistent bump with minimum springback, or anneal after and get rid of the work hardening from that resize. I will most likely do it like you suggest.

[@jimhans1]

Johnny's Reloading Bench hey, it’s a thought, but maybe try both ways and see if you get any difference? Edit: at least I think it would make a good video lol.

[@trentanson1]

You ever thought of doing a wildcat cartridge? Something like the 6mm AR, 6mm AR Turbo, Turbo 40IMP, 6mm Hagar? All these are AR15 cartridges that a lot of us would like to see. Those of us that are into reloading don't always need a widely available cartridge. I'd love to see some of these wildcats, and i'm sure they would be popular videos to ppl like us.

[@FullSendPrecision]

Watch your turret head @ 35:46 - See how it pivots? When I was using my T7 I put a 4 though shim between the body and the turret at the rear to keep it better aligned. It helped with runout quite a bit. I moved to a really nice single stage for my precision stuff. - Also, check out K&M Mandrels. I use them in all of my 223 and 308 FTR loads.

[@neilharris4462]

It's built like that on purpose. The rear post is there to take up the slack when cammed over and should be level and repeatable when touching the post.

[@FullSendPrecision]

@@neilharris4462 I wish that were the case. Check your run out to be sure. :Shrug:

[@neilharris4462]

My T7 does the same thing... thats why the post is there. Runout has always been great with a decent seating die.

[@neilharris4462]

From Redding: "A turret press has to have some clearance, otherwise the turret head would not be able to rotate. There will be some deflection when running a case into a die. With the T-7 the Turret Head will tip back and make contact with the support block in the rear of the frame. At this point the press is a rock solid as any single stage press. This deflection has been accounted for in the engineering design of the T-7 Press. The mounting surface of the turret and support block are cut at different heights and each turret head has been matched to a bushing that is .001" taller than the turret. I have talked with customers who have tried to tighten the deflection by polishing down the bushing only to find that the turret will no longer turn. Fortunately the bushing are not that expensive."

[@Yellowsierra02]

I think you should try the 60gr Vmax and a 60gr Sierra hp varmit bullet. There both flat base and that 60gr vmax seems to shoot great in everything! My buddy just shot a 3/4” group at 180 yards with his 20” .223 wylde. Love your videos keep it up!

[@alannagel4381]

I believe these bullets to be coated with HBN or something similar. I have been getting good results by cleaning the bore, polishing it with JB bore paste, and pretreating with a patch weted in a slurry of HBN in rubbing alcohol. Seems to reduce flyers after cleaning. They also tend to run slightly larger in diameter so it may be worthwhile to use a slightly larger sizing die bushing.

[@yoplait99]

Next vid can we see a side by side of a nosgar and a Valkyrie just for comparison sake. Thanks partner keep em coming.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Yes. I will do a Nosgar/Valkyrie/Grendel comparison in the next video.

[@FullSendPrecision]

When you neck down, you're left with a thicker neck, since it's now smaller. That'll give you more neck tension. Measure the wall thickness?

[@aklaunch]

Excellent video. I have good luck shooting the 55gr NBT's. Never tried the Varm's. It seems they are almost identical to the Horn V-Max. The NBT's are a very different construction.

[@bnicedanicest6288]

Not a sharpshooter my self but I notice when I shoot the last round @ bolt lock back that shot is always a flyer so I always load 6 rounds in my semi's when shooting 5 round groups just an idea shoot the same load you shot that good group with and single load them w/ bolt lock back and see if your groups open up like on those Bergers idk but trying that could eliminate that as factor. Thx great video

[@GunFunZS]

Sounds like you have a magazine/ feedramp issue. The only thing I can think of is that the round feeding directly off the follower is at a different angle, or is feeding sluggishly and is getting banged on the ramps, or even the top of the chamber. See what happens with a new mag/ different brand of mag.

[@GunFunZS]

Thanks for doing what you do. Also, I like seeing your stuff on RLN. It's good to know I will find you if you ever get purged.

[@jimtanner8516]

I think you should try a different seating adapter angle for the bullets to avoid the deformation

[@jeffgreer6983]

Great video as always.

[@songdogsniper3678]

Thank you..thank you..I was about to throw my 22 Nosler in the trash. I'm on the road to 22 Nasgar.

[@BoltActionReloading]

I would be happy to anneal another batch for you but I don't have that pilot and its backordered, let me know but I would have no idea how quick I would get it.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Thanks, man. This is a short term project so it's not worth the hassle. I'll just torch them and hope for the best. I'm not too worried.

[@BoltActionReloading]

@@JohnnysReloadingBench fair enough. Interested to see how it works out.

[@308guy8]

Glad your back johnny

[@bigracer3867]

Nice! More on 22 Nosler, Nosgar, Lets roll!

[@sethperry1323]

6mm hager with the 6mm 55 gr varmageddon or balistic tips are speed demons! Im crying watching you turn the one of the top predator calibers into 22 nosler... 😢😢

[@joelclark2130]

PS Johnny and thank you for doing this video I absolutely loved it keep up the good work, 22 Nosler just not my thing

[@paulharveu526]

Am I only one who wants to learn more about 6mm Hagar now?

[@MrPaco1013]

I was thinking the same thing

[@bikeboy0012]

Paul Harveu lol. No i love my .243💪🏻

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I'm with you! The '6mm AR' wildcat looks like it would be a better option, though, since it uses 6.5 Grendel as a parent case. Much easier to get brass. Chad from IraqVeteran8888 just built one and he's liking it so far. He posts stuff on Instagram as @chad_iv8888 if you want to follow along. I'm sure he'll make some videos on it eventually.

[@christopherbenfield7848]

@@JohnnysReloadingBench I have one 6x6.8SPC simply running 6.8 through a neck sized die to 6mm... basicly a 6mm Hagar. 70gr Nolser B-tips at 3100fps from a 20" barrel and 85gr BTSP Speer at 2800... sub MOA accuracy easy with the IMR8208XBR

[@CascadingDream]

H4895 has a pretty low density. It's a terrific powder in 308 where there is a lot of case volume. 223, 22N, 22V just don't have enough volume so you end up with compressed loads at the top of the working pressure.

[@outdoorbasicslevel1825]

Great job on the information , keep it up. Lol any Grendel game changer loads coming? I think you shoot better without the video scope.👍

[@echosreloadingchamber7306]

Johnny those bolt carrier groups you showed are those rings from just firing a lot of brass threw it around the firing pin hole or are those pressure signs from it blowing past the primer and cutting the face of the bolt?

[@davidpeterson6147]

JRB, what is going on with the oblong brass mouth in your right hand at 11:28?

[@jeffyoung2089]

👍👍 Thanks Johnny!

[@armedferret]

Glad to see you back! Any use for some 80-grain 22-cal AMAX? I have an old box I found the other day with maybe 4-5 bullets missing (so 95 projectiles?). Don't really have any use for them, as I have to seat them far too long in 5.56 for mag length and am getting such great results with 73 ELD that I'm not really interested in loading them for anything. :P Happy to send them your way if you can use them in a video or whatever.

[@rossbaker5034]

I really enjoy your videos and the info you have to offer. You do a great job of describing in detail what is going on. Thank you for that. Although, I do have a question for you. Why do you go into so much depth with the 6.5 creedmore and not the.260 rem? It has become one of my pet peeves that everyone pushes the creedmore so hard and leave out the.260 which has been around a lot longer and is an accomplished round already. After all, there’s nothing that a creedmore can do that a.260 can’t. I’m sorry for going on a rant about this, but it just gets under my skin that the.260 continues to be left out due to hype!

[@o2wow]

Is it time to try turning the necks on those Nosgar cases? Especially after necking them down.

[@cecilandrews1875]

Excellent video.

[@z50com]

I just hand loaded some 110 gr Varmageddon in .308 The manual says over all length is 2.600, it seems to me that the bullet is seated too deep. Should I believe this number in the Nosler manual? The reason I'm concerned is I loaded some Sierra Varminter 110 gr with 48 grains of 748 and it still has some room in the case when seated to 2.600 like the Sierra manual says. The varmageddon bullet seated at the same 2.600 results in a compressed load. (The Nosler manual doesn't list 748 as a powder to use at 110 grains but does at 125 grains.) What would be best to do? Lighted the powder load or seat the bullet out farther? or compress it?

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Sierra shows a max of 50.9gr with the Varminter so I think you've got some room to play without blowing your face off. If you're feeling nervous about it you could always back off a bit more for your initial test. Another thing you could do is measure the length of the Varmageddon and Varminter and calculate the difference. For example; if the difference was .090 you could seat the Varmageddon to 3.690" and the base would be at the same depth as the Varminter. Hopefully that makes sense. Whatever makes you feel most comfortable.

[@z50com]

@@JohnnysReloadingBench I just bought a Hornady Lock-N-Load Comparator on eBay tonight to measure where the ogive is on the Varminter that is working well for me. I'll seat the Varmageddon at the same distance I measure on the Varminter. I thought 48 grains was a good starting point since Sierra said I could go 50.9 Yes it makes sense, the difference of overall length between the 2 bullets is .125 the comparator should give me a good place to seat the Varmageddon. It's great to see you back, it's been way too long since you made your last video. I really enjoy what you do here on KZbin.

[@shcottynepa08]

Just my 2 cents. I would suggest against pushing for velocity with 110 in .308. I tried it and it was too much for those specific bullets. It copper fouled my Savage 10 twist barrel so bad that within 10 to 15 shots it went from .75 groups to 6 inch groups and it was a royal pain to get all the copper out. Don't know your twist rate but if it's a 10 twist, save the headache of getting all the copper out. Also tried it in a shilen custom barrel. Same result.

[@z50com]

@@shcottynepa08 I have a 1:18 twist so I have to shoot those light bullets. . .It's hard to keep them slow when they're that light.

[@lt.lunchbox4135]

I realy enjoy your videos. Have you concidered a rifle +2 gas system? Im sure you dont want to buy another barrel for this, I was curious your thoughts on that.

[@johnchausow4857]

I’m not familiar with the advantages of .22 nosler over other .22 cal cartridges. What is .22 nosler advertised to do?

[@daviddale3624]

Enjoyed that "NOSGAR". How does the case volume compare to the .224 Valkyrie?

[@justinstruckman5831]

I believe that Nosgar has 3.5gn more case capacity than that of Valkyrie

[@jaberie308]

"skanky flashhole" I have never used those two words together. I swear.

[@1976kingdom]

jaberie308 lol

[@wizardny]

Try the 60 gr VMax they shoot great out of my compass.

[@rwbimbie5854]

Any chance to revisit the *_300 Blackout MEDIUM WEIGHT SUBS_* ? Its been like 2 years since your 147gr vid, any news for folks wanting safe and consistent 130-150gr lead subs? (looking for a cheap reload quiet plinker, 16" no can, I dont care if it dont cycle cause I got a side-charge bcg and dont mind plinking a RepeatingRifle rather than a Semiauto)

[@MrPaco1013]

I think those 82's my be a little long for a 1 in 8 twist.

[@garymartin8451]

OK; probably a stupid question, but you mention using a Redding Body Die, but you don't specifically state the size of the Die. I assume 22 Nosler Redding Body Die, right?

[@dominickdelfino7552]

Pretty interesting to see how bad that nosler brass is. Looks like you found a good solution. So now my question 22 Nosler or 224 Valkyrie. Which would you choose?

[@paulharveu526]

.22 Grendel?

[@justinstruckman5831]

It is probably too soon to tell. I am betting that with projectiles of 80gn or less that the "nosgar" will out perform the Valkyrie in every aspect .

[@mihlbachler2]

Nosler

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I'll talk about this is the next video. They are really different tools. 22 Nosler is better for varmint hunting with light bullets. 224V is better for the heavies. When I line them up next to one another in the next video it will be easy to tell they are extremely different designs. Stay tuned.

[@dominickdelfino7552]

Johnny's Reloading Bench sounds good Johnny we’ve all missed you!

[@ewetho]

Flash hole debugging tool stop is on the tip not the guide. Deburr to the stop for consistency guide just keeps it straight.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I remembered you saying that but once I took it out of the package I got confused a little by the pilot. This was a last minute addition to this video and I really didn't properly do my research. :) Thanks again!

[@ewetho]

@@JohnnysReloadingBench RTD.... I know, I know,. Guys don't read the darn directions! LOL

[@jonjames4281]

so is this just changing 22nos to quasi 224v or is there a difference I don't understand? I have neither so I'm ignorant about them. edit... seen in the comments below you'll talk about this coming up, should have known that.

[@seankaminski3648]

Do 7.62x39 ??

[@bluegrass4840]

Hey Johnny you still in Kentucky I just moved back and I think I'm not to far from you I'm in Oldham.

[@williamboggs4317]

A 55gr at 3000 not really impressed why not just stick to the best a 5.56 thanks for the video

[@paulharveu526]

Because experimenting is 3/4 of the fun. Just a guess but I dont think JRB is excited about loading 1000 rnds of the exact same load, even if it shoots 0.5". And frankly, would anyone want to watch "JRB loads another 500 rounds of the same thing he did last weekend".

[@williamboggs4317]

@@paulharveu526 yeah man i got that but people act like they wont a replacement for 5.56 and 5.56 is already good so why not stick with it

[@eeikewok2901]

I agree man. For me, I’ll stick with 223/5.56, however I love watching all these different calibers be experimented with!

[@mikesimpson6757]

I'm thinking the same thing.

[@justinstruckman5831]

Once he starts experimenting with charge weights you will see some pretty good velocity. Should be about 300fps over 5.56 when using same bullet/barrel length. An 18" barrel using a 55gn bullet should end up at about 3400fps with accuracy. Also should gain 30-35fps with each additional inch of barrel length.

[@outdoorepidemicdonnierusse2660]

What happened to your other channel

[@stevenpope9304]

How do you pick a random charge weight and expect decent SD and ES numbers? And expecting good numbers while fire forming brass is just unrealistic. I bet if you go back and do a ladder test with that magnetospeed, you’ll find good SD and ES numbers and a more than acceptable group.

[@smc4229]

Having to use all kinds of different bolts and brass from other boutique calibers to fix the deficiencies in 22 Nosler doesn't make sense to me. The standard 22 Nosler brass and bolt should just work, otherwise what's the point?

[@mikesimpson6757]

I just wonder if it is worth all the work to resize 22 NOSGAR and load this caliber? Unless you see extraordinary groups, velocities, and SD's I think this is a bust. I just wonder how much more do you gain over proven 5.56 performance?

[@anchorbait6662]

3739fps holy crapola

[@joelclark2130]

22 Nosler is going to go the way of the dodo bird, too many things just not worth the time. 223 Ackley improved much better

[@nc_classics_9610]

Joel Clark 6x45 pops up every 5 years in some military tests as well. I like it.

[@GunFunZS]

@@nc_classics_9610 I like that it works with vanilla brass too. I don't need another caliber, but that one has some appeal to it.

[@christopherbenfield7848]

Johnny's Reloading Bench Try IMR8208 you won't be disappointed

[@jrhull4551]

Try 277 wolverine!!

[@christopherbenfield7848]

Ohhh whats that.. Nosler got it wrong again..... I'm so surprised

[@DanielBoone337]

I'll just shoot a 22-250 I know it's not in an AR15 cartridge but the 22 Nosler is way to much work and a headache I don't need in my life!!! LOL

[@bigdog107no2]

Your voice sure sounds like Dave Nash’s?

[@stephenn2001]

.224 valk vs 22 nosler....go!

[@JPsaysno]

You guys must be ar guys. I'm curious how a fast twist 22-250 would do? Too bad it takes 308 bolt face. Betcha 22_250 shooting 80's would be a blast.

[@MatteoThirteenSeventyOne]

Wait wouldn't it be 22 Hagler. LoL

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

That rolls off the tongue a lot easier!

[@mikehurrle7282]

Idk what your issue is, but I shoot 22 nosler without an issue, suppressed, not suppressed, not a single issue. Stop spreading bullshit comments

[@boblane5169]

Love your videos but sorry still not impressed with the 22 Nosler....