Fixing BAD LANDINGS in the Cirrus SR22

[@mourtney5619]

I love it when you hear yourself on the radio in your video

[@RamachandranKN_87]

Fantastic attitude, Stef! Despite all your experience flying so far, you had the ability to just take a step back and say "You know what? I can do better and improve myself". Hats off! As Jason Schappert says, "A Good Pilot is always Learning".

[@gbigsangle3044]

Each of the Cirrus models vary with speed on approach and over the numbers. But all of them land best in the following way. Fly your approach speed (for the SR22T its 85 to 90kts, for the SR22 its 75 to 80kts) on the approach. Maintain your speed using the descent as best you can. If you get too slow put in some throttle to get the speed back. Aim at and use the numbers to arrest your descent and begin to fly level over the runway as you fly over the numbers (again you should be at your over the numbers speed or a bit more if you are heavy, SR22T 80kts, SR22 70kts). Have your eyes out and down the runway and hold the nose up slightly while you pull back the throttle until you hear the stall horn, then make sure to keep the nose up until the mains touch, even if you are a little high..NEVER lower the nose over the runway until you are completely on your mains.

[@RobinDA40]

Thanks Stefan. Even as an experienced Cirrus Pilot I learnt a few things today watching this video. Well done for always wanting to be a better pilot! Mike is a very encouraging instructor. Safe flying. Robin

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks Robin, that's great you found that helpful. And yeah Mike is an awesome instructor. I love flying with him, it's always a heap of fun and I learn loads every time.

[@sbyoung1976]

You and your instructor are amazing. I had about 10 hours in just practicing short field landings for my ppl. Watched this video and ace'd all my shorts fields from then on.

[@HyoRidaamotovlogs]

good on you for including this sort of stuff. not enough people talk about their bad days (and trust me, your "bad" landings are a lot better than my bad landings). we can always improve on our abilities.

[@garydell2023]

You bad landings? I've never in my flying career have had a bad landing! A bunch of "ouch......hope no one was watching " & a whole lot of " Oh crap! I hope I didn't bend the airframe " landings and a few "WHAT was that sound? Prop hit???" But never a bad landing.

[@bRiteSavagekiLLer847]

Gary Dell hahaha and a few “ omg did I land on a trampoline? “

[@scottamolinari]

If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing. -- Chuck Yeager.

[@LoneWolf-wu6yn]

Thanks to this channel and a couple others, I am definitely a fan of Cirrus aircraft. Love the humility!

[@sjhansen]

What a great instructor! Top bloke. Great work Stefan

[@h0ll1s]

This was very interesting, interesting to note how learning to land in different aircraft (I fly in a Diamond DA20) with different instructors use different ways. My take home is remembering how important the hold off is, best bit of advice one instructor told me is to have the mind set of 'I'm going to out wait this plane, I'm going to hold off and just keep holding off till it lands, I'm not going to force it down'. Thanks for sharing!

[@amcconnell6730]

Regarding torque reaction - you see this on takeoff all of the time. Prop turns clockwise (from the pilot's perspective) - increasing power rolls the aircraft left. On take off the left wheel is driven into the ground (encouraging a left turn), at high angle of attack the right side of the prop arc is moving forward into the air so the thrust line moves to the right (encouraging a left turn) so you need a bit of right rudder to keep straight down the runway. Now - here's the thing - When you rotate, you lose the stabilising effect of the nosewheel, and you get a bit of gyroscopic precession, both of which increase the left yaw. Pilots rarely notice this - and they compensate the turn with roll, not yaw. If you sit at the end of the runway, and watch a bunch of piston singles take off - on rotation they will all yaw left, then roll right as the pilot fails to increase the rudder input and incorrectly rolls to stop the turn. :)

[@kaankublay3784]

Hi Stefan, I fly a A22LS (foxbat) at YMMB, i’m 15 and 193cm these are variables to keep in mind as everyone sees different, sits differently on each seat and every plane reacts differently. When I was doing circuits before my solo a few months ago my normal instructor said that on the flare when landing keep it to land on the main gear but the pull back more right before touchdown (which is an instinct you get as you fly the same aircraft) and pull back to have the nose on the horizon so it allows that gradual nose gear touch down and have that smooth landing. By the way it sounds like i’ve been flying all my life and i’m like some bossy up himself kid but I am just saying what I was told and works for me. Love the vids!

[@UOTDF]

Excellent video. Thanks Stefan. I’m currently doing circuits at YMMB for my RPL and the landing technique has been taking a while to click in my brain. This will be a must watch video for me before each lesson

[@johnjohnson5496]

50% of the time, I nail my landings every time ;)

[@yepfishing6881]

Me too

[@spiro5327]

Yes improving your landings takes a lot of practice and concentration and that torque roll was very interesting. I suppose that would have been with only mild power application. Looks like you passed through final on one occasion maybe just concentrating to much on the landing itself im guessing. Really enjoyed this one Stef , thanks mate.

[@garydell2023]

Justwanted to add Stefan, with all my time flying, (in the vicinity of 4,000 +hrs) on occasion I still get with an instructor because I have problems with cross-wind landings. I wasn't making fun of your efforts to better yourself. Oh, Pootie Tang is on tv. Thank you for the video. Keep flying safe and keep current.

[@LarjoskiFlyingAway]

Very refreshing video to see that we experience some of the same situations and feelings when landing. I don’t feel so alone now. Thanks for creating.

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks for watching Laurie, glad it helped you out and yes of course you're not alone if you're struggling with any aspect of aviation. We've all been there, and like I say any pilot who says they can nail a landing every time is a liar!

[@ramjet4025]

This value of this video is not about landings but shows us a taste of good Garmin training for OCTA. This is very different from controlled airspace. It would be better to treat it all as how it is done in controlled airspace first and they give yourself a clearance for the approach. What this video and instructor are missing is an explanation that the GPS is just a calculator for doing division and multiplication that works regardless of speed. That Vertical Speed Required is 318ft per nautical mile and thats the magic number to remember.

[@westmorland_]

Brings back memories. I was at YLTV overnight on the 4th before crossing the ditch to Tassie.

[@djwashx]

great job I love the fact that you own a plane got your private years ago and still willing to learn!!!!!

[@PilotBusaKaine]

Awesome work, as pilots we should always be trying to learn and improve. It's one of the big things I love about flying. Thanks for sharing this.

[@carygiezekamp4414]

Stefan never can do too many landings and takeoffs and circuits. 👍

[@northtexasskies3243]

This is my dream plane. I gotta start working now if i want it before im 60. Lets hope my choice to take the meteorology path will help me accomplish this goal

[@RoverEins]

While applying power on finals does have an effect on airspeed. I teach my students as I was always taught... Nose attitude controls your airspeed and power controls your rate of descent. Which I feel is more correct than saying the blanket statement of saying "power controls airspeed". Have you seen how fast gliders can go without any power at all. Hope this helps. Ps/ Stef, from what I have seen of your landings you have nothing to worry about.👍

[@ModernClassic]

Power does control airspeed on instrument approaches, though, which is what he's practicing at the beginning of the video. It's not clear to me if the rest of the video is meant to be just standard VFR pattern work or if he's still working on practicing the very end of instrument approaches, or if maybe things are just different in Australia and there's no distinction between the two.

[@macedonranges]

Great video Stef .. I think the flapless landing is a trickery one in the SR22 due to the higher sped but we need to practice them in case of flap failure... you are doing an amazing job with the videos .. I just don’t seem to find the time to edit mine.

[@KingAlexander215]

Really good instructor

[@stevecrowakaferv8140]

Pitch for speed and Throttle for height.... set your pitch and never change it. Makes landings super simple. All the adjustments are causing the issues. Makes landing with Xwinds easy because you can focus on your rudder action instead of pitch and such.

[@johnpro2847]

Because of the low weight ( 600 kg max) in my LSA aeroplane it can bounce easily,esp in gusty winds Solution was no flaps and nose down trim. Each aircraft is different and some experimentation is required .

[@gbsorenson]

Nice video Stefan. In my plane (TB20) I find I have nicer landings with takeoff flaps (1 notch) than full flaps. I fall into the same bad habit at times, looking to close on the flair.

[@darcyw5586]

Just wondering how long that lesson was? Great vid

[@loremaable]

The added effect of left torque and ground effect are also very noticeable on the X-plane simulator when you fly the SR22, at thz beginning I thought that was a sort of a bug.

[@StefanDrury]

That's really good they program behaviour like that into the software. Good to know, thanks Alain.

[@greenhornet1289]

Mike is butter. What a instructor...come to KFCO or KMSP please

[@camerond-x5s]

Thanks, Stefan. Really useful! I'm off to YLTV on Wednesday for my first solo nav, so very relevant also.

[@jrwarner579]

Another Gr8 One ,Mate!!!

[@krishkrithivasan959]

Hey Stef, love your videos. Seen this particular one a few times, am still a student working on my primary. Here's 2 questions I'm trying to figure out answers to, 1. when you say you're aiming for the 5th stripe, is that the point on the screen you are holding steady? 2. At what point on the final are you pulling power all the way back, pre-roundout, thru the roundout or after the roundout?

[@StefanDrury]

Hey Krish, we're basically aiming at a point 1000ft down the runway. So either the 1000ft markers which some runways have, or in this case the 5th dotted white centreline (which is roughly 1000ft into the runway). Then the power is reduced as you cross the piano keys and you fly to the 5th line holding off all the way. That's the technique. Hope that helps. Of course, check with your instructor before trying anything new yourself yeah? This is just sharing one technique that my Instructor taught me. Cheers, stef

[@krishkrithivasan959]

@@StefanDrury Thanks mate, I'll give that a shot with my instructors permission of course. Think I've not been holding it long enough so the plane drops a little firmly, kinda like the first landing on your video. Will let you know how it goes :) thx again for the quick response

[@krishkrithivasan959]

@@StefanDrury Worked much better on the flight today, I tried counting to 5 seconds post round out as I brought power back and managed a couple soft landings. The x-wind messed up a few others but am getting it .... slowly :)

[@StefanDrury]

Great to hear, and thanks for letting me know. I'll pass that feedback onto my Instructor Mike as well.

[@scottamolinari]

"I feel like I sink and that's when I pull the nose up." Dude, "throttle for altitude ---- pitch for speed". :-)

[@ComdrStew]

That is what a lot of people have trouble with. It is real bad on flight sims.

[@Daniel-hc2yi]

He didn’t mention any RPM setting on DOWNWIND & BASE! (Power > Attitude > Performance)! You are a good pilot Stef! No doubt about that!! 👍

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks for watching Daniel, and with editing these videos quite a lot is taken out to focus on a few aspects of the story. We're always looking at power settings and the associated speeds on circuit practise like this, but I wanted to focus the video on aircraft positioning and the landing techniques instead. But Mike always helps me with power and speed settings on training flights, which are actually really easy to learn in the Cirrus. Thanks for the comment, cheers, stef 👍

[@marsgal42]

I pull the power back to what's about right - 1700 RPM on my Beechcraft - then adjust power and pitch as necessary to fly the approach. The exact RPM numbers aren't important. Airspeed and glide slope are what you want.

[@Daniel-hc2yi]

Laura Halliday ! Thanks for your comments Laura, as I mentioned in the comment above, Power + Attitude gives you the performance that you want! I’ve been flying 600 hours and so far that what I have been doing so far!! Of course I agree with you each aircraft has different power settings and different Vat.

[@tomm7301]

As much as I enjoy your cross-country videos, it’s still nice to have you mix-in the occasional instructional video. Very nice job! Thank you, sir!

[@joshuaadams4136]

That’s a great technique Steff, Shame where I fly (Lilydale) only has grass runways so I can’t use it. 😕

[@damienmilk3025]

Great video Stef.

[@StefanDrury]

Cheers Damien 👍

[@ozjohnno]

Good to see a local pilot on here making videos. I bet the Cirrus 22 is a fun plane to fly. How much they stinging you for that plane?

[@northtexasskies3243]

Last time I checked thet were around $540k😬😬 but that is for the new planes.

[@RC-Flight]

Just wondering, isn’t that traffic traffic at 10 O clock distracting?

[@tisoy909]

Was that unstable approach a result of too low an airspeed and too much nose high attitude or just excess turbulence in the landing area at that particular time?

[@TREVORDAWSONTHD]

Good lesson to learn.

[@foxiedogitchypaws7141]

Milkshake needs a refresher too! She may need to land one day;)

[@StefanDrury]

Haha, yes well she was onboard for this flight but not paying attention. Probably in the back flicking through MooTube, kids these days tsk...

[@gabestorm7150]

What was the tip? You landed perfectly fine my friend.

[@marsgal42]

Been there, done that. A circuit that looks like geometry, an ILS-perfect final, botch the round out/touchdown. :-}

[@mcrews00]

Great video!

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks for watching Crews Control.

[@simonthug7866]

Good vid, keep it up 🤙🏽

[@Ash-nk5ix]

any landing you can walk away from is a good landing

[@glishskiii]

Ash That’s the stupidest saying in aviation..

[@bEEBO178]

Yeh, this saying is stupid. I don't think any pilot would continue working if he or she kept smashing up aircraft after each flight.

[@Negativity808]

@@bEEBO178 right no point becoming a pilot with that attitude. The idea is not to smash things and actually get good at it.

[@Jerseytrucksci1]

Great video! It's great that you do these videos they are so good to watch and learn from. Also I love the way you're not up yourself thinking you know it all and you're always up for learning more 😎 👍🤙

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks Anthony, glad you found that useful. And yeah with aviation, as with anything in life, I think you’re never “completed”, just trying to get better and grow as a person every single day. Thanks again mate, stef 👍

[@Jerseytrucksci1]

@@StefanDrury Very true. As they say you never stop learning. I made it Aldinga on my tribute trip. Part one of the first leg. Thanks for putting up your flight plan.

[@Neeeeeeeko]

Honestly, the best thing you can do to fix your Cirrus landings is get a tailwheel endorsement and do 50 hours or so learning to land a light weight taildragger. I love flying the cirrus, but too many people get straight into one and become autopilot jockeys too early.

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks for the feedback Nick. I personally believe the most important thing is to practise and learn in the specific aircraft you’re flying, in not sure I agree that taildragger experience would specifically improve landings in another aircraft, perhaps it may help with being more aware of wind and a stable approach on final, but landing a taildragger (which I have done) is very different to landing a Cirrus. If someone wants to fly something like a Cirrus from day one, that’s not an issue, as long as they practise and know that aircraft as well as they can. I’ve got a CPL, have flown many aircraft (including tailwheel and aerobatic ones) but don’t consider that makes me any better at landing a high performance aircraft than someone who has only ever flown one type. It’s purely about experience and practise in the plane you’re flying, in my opinion. Great to have the discussion though, I appreciate and respect your point. Thanks again, stef

[@Neeeeeeeko]

Hi Stefan. I guess there are a lot of factors, but for me I was amazed. I flew LSA's and a Mooney 201 for a few years to start with. Then I bought a Bearhawk (which has crazy adverse yaw and needs quick feet) and had to fly it in and out of a 200m strip. I flew that plane for a couple of hundred hours and by necessity had to know how to land it within 5m of my touchdown spot in all sorts of winds. After that experience, I sold the Bearhawk and moved to California where I bought an SR22. I never experienced any of the issues that people had warned me from the first landing on. Anyway, all I know is that all that time learning to use my feet and fly accurately in the Bearhawk made me a totally different pilot. So yes, I agree that you can get a lot of training in the plane you're flying and it will get you there, but my opinion is that if you learn to fly a taildragger accurately in all sort of winds, it puts you in a position to jump into pretty much any single and master it from day 1. Anyway, just my experience, but personally I'm a big advocate of becoming proficient in a taildragger. I've seen way to many videos and posts of people struggling with landing a Cirrus or saying then need 1km runways etc. Proper stick and rudder skills and proper speed controls and there is no mystery to anything in my view.

[@RayMrRobert]

You're te best. Love how you keep learning.

[@davidsullivan8236]

Which flying school do you use?

[@rekhachanda2741]

how many aircraft do you own

[@isaacpatman5255]

What licence do you currently have? are you working towards anything into particular?

[@StefanDrury]

I have a CPL, but there's a full list of my licenses/ratings on my website here: www.stef747.com/faqs-contact-stef/

[@jeetts59]

Thanks that was helpful

[@StefanDrury]

Glad you found that useful, thanks for watching Harold.

[@lucianosantucci108]

The secret to good landings in that aircraft is . . . Wearing a Fluro yello safety vest 😉

[@markchristopherlumbay7729]

Lol I am using this video to make my simulator landings better

[@cherokee592]

I try to land my SR22 the way that the stall warning always comes on at touchdown. This way I i use runways down to 1400 ft.

[@harryjeffs2933]

Why didn't you do circuits at moorabbin?

[@StefanDrury]

It's hard in the SR22 as we're pretty fast compared to the other aircraft that's usually in the circuit. And it only takes 20mins to blast down to Latrobe, so we went there.

[@High_Alpha]

1.6 MILES abeam? Hornets and 737's do circuits that wide. Singles should be glide distance abeam. Even with CAPS. Put the nav light on the runway, good guide. Be alert to being on speed, she don't like extra energy. (Don't get slow either though!) Personally I aim for the top of the numbers, flare over the top (closing the throttle at the same time) leads to a touchdown near 200m down (Basically at the 1000ft marks). The technique I was taught is to fly the aircraft 2ft off the runway, which works really well in the Cirrus. She settles when she's ready.

[@cansaray7723]

Butter

[@cuetheplanesound8110]

Four words: Angle of Attack Indicator

[@ramjet4025]

I suspect that this landing at 4:58 was a deliberate bad landing. The entire technique needs revision. First its the spot, the aiming point, then the two stages of the flair that gets the right rate of descent in the right attitude for a main wheels landing. In Australia you rarely have to worry about anything other than a greaser of a landing. The second landing was not much better, this is what you see by pilots who are scared of flying slow with the wheels an inch off the runway. Perhaps this too was a deliberate early plonking it on instead of a greaser that would reduce tire wear. Now lets look at the 3rd landing at 8:47 I'd swear this instructor must have spent his time instructing in Cherokees rather than Cirrus and he regurgitates that horrible reedition of, "get your eyes to the end", Now without referring to the instructor in this video, the other totally useless expression useless instructors say is is "just raise the nose", yes, the nose needs raising but odds are when you watch a poorly trained Cherokee pilot landing you will see them raise their hostels as if they eyes inside their nose looking for the touchdown point. This is a next to useless style of training that just breeds poor landings. You cannot judge your height staring at the horizon, you judge your height by "peripheral vision" that primarily comes from around a 45 degree down line to where the movement blur ends. So, why did these two first landings end up the way they did? Just take a look at the approach. I did not hear any comment on that. Its not just visual, its also a comprehension and feel of the wings settling thru that thick layer of air under wings called ground effect.

[@StuTheFarmer]

I used to train at La Trobe. Only stopped due to money

[@ComdrStew]

My philosophy is, it is only a bad landing if you break something.

[@escade2]

To be honest this is the same technique for jets. Follow the glide slope and transition to a visual aiming point

[@hg2.]

Audio is hard to make out. Could use a separate/better mic as opposed to the ATC audio.

[@fly-mk3gn]

wow

[@owenps6944]

I nail my landings 0% of the time. I don’t have a plane. (Yet 😏)

[@tim7402]

How to nail a landing in a Cirrus ??? "Pull the chute" OR buy a Cessna.

[@PhillRobinson]

Well you certainly had a lot of practice at bad landings

[@CaptainG1001]

Do you own this aircraft ?

[@MAGApepe]

Fixing BAD LANDINGS,,, dont fly a cirrus lol