Fixing The Elimination Feeding Problem - GoTWiC

[@vangarkgot]

It's good that someone is talking about this issue, hopefully some dev will see this video and understand that having so much disparity makes people leave, and the half paid ones, spend much less. My friend Dyt is a big fan of yours and sent me the link to this video :P

[@DepravityXO]

Hours after this video they hotfixed the UC rewards to a similar system as I suggested with the placement split 🤣still the same currently for the regular AC season so nothing will change there for now though 🤔

[@daveh6800]

I like the fix they hotpatched in, but a big issue remaining for feeding is alliances (mostly) being able to predict who they'll face and planning accordingly. Scrambling the matching a bit by doing something like taking groups of 6 in rank order in each time slot and randomizing 3 matchups out of those groups each time so you don't know for sure who you'll face could help. Alliance locking for all of AC causes other problems that would need fixing, but perhaps they could set something up where if you leave or join an alliance more than twice in a 48 hour period during AC, your eliminations reset, or you're barred from playing the next round. This would stop people from elimination chasing during AC without preventing players from legitimately changing alliances on a permanent basis.

[@awacolley]

Point of correction there; PoIarix didn’t join ASH to get fed by BDR. He would be at 30b if he did that. ASH played N30, not BDR. BDR was gonna match EXM who weren’t gonna port anyway, so he joined ASH cus they were gonna play N30. No deals were made. And ASH is an ally of BDR so why not? But yeah, no feeding happened there 😂

[@DepravityXO]

Ah okay, my bad there then - well Polarix and Patton leaving to join other alliances still happened and is a systemic issue that is plugged up could help alleviate the issue in some of the more egregious cases. It's really hard though because fixing something like what happened with Peacetown just seems.. impossible, I have no idea how to 'fix' something like that

[@inanepunk475]

I like your suggestion, it looks like the devs have already implemented it or part of it. Especially from the rewards perspective. I'd be inclined to go further and lock event rosters for the season. And add something like an alliance transfer token, which would allow for 1 move per season...

[@DepravityXO]

Yeah it's a good step in the right direction, locking rosters for a full season would be pretty brutal for quality of life stuff like resource transfers or leaving for KvK alliances on random kingdoms etc probably, but playing with the leaving alliance dynamic is for sure something for them to target imo that's without doubt

[@jackdaws7125]

For your alliance rewards suggestion, maybe instead of eliminating you from the ranks if you leave the alliance (which would limit ppl who change alliances for other reasons such as ccs, kvk, an invasion, trains, etc) make it so you are only eligible for the reward if you participated on all 6 matches with that alliance. It would achieve the same while limiting players less

[@inanepunk475]

that won't stop people loading their opponent alliance with alts to feed. the account that benefits from it doesn't have to leave their alliance... so i doubt that will work

[@DepravityXO]

You could make it super complicated and make it like Alliance Boss locks where you have to be in an alliance for 7+ days for eliminations on your troops to 'count' but that sounds so weird and with it's own difficulties of normal post merge or joining new alliance issues - I really have no idea how the the alt funneling bit can be fixed

[@fl1415]

what a coincidence, i was just about to comment on another video asking for your opinion on this topic. in my opinion this is actually one of the bigger steps towards making this game less fun for the average player and in my view up until a year ago or so it was actually halfway playable for normal people to at least participate in that level of play but with all the very expensive stuff being added into the game (like 66.000BD for on SP troop appearence) it will make the gap so big, that the playerbase will be too small in a very foreseeable future

[@DepravityXO]

Yeah it's really difficult for the average player in those top alliances participating in the feeding specifically, I've seen screenshots and complaints from friends who've been shouted at in alliance chat/voice etc to not attack during matches because they were hitting alts that others were trying to feed with etc, just a really weird, unintuitive situation. I forsee some people just leaving some of the alliances doing that sorta thing out of frustration tbh and I'd probably be careful if I were in leadership organising some of that stuff to that extent because it really really rubs people the wrong way when it's done to that extent 😅

[@tumanycolley5278]

Pola and Patton joined ASH so they can help them, while getting elims at the same time. BDR was gonna face EXM, who were obviously not gonna port (and they didn't). To stay in competition, they had to move to a competitive match. But everything they got, they killed. Same for Nightmare. Altisio moved around to get fed, since day 1. Pt just did it in 1 match and did it way too much. The devs knew this would happen, and they still went with it. It's on them.

[@daveh6800]

altisio doesnt typically have a single competitive match at all at 1 gmt until a couple rounds into UC. his moving isn't any different than the BDR players, nightmare, CCCPC, or anyone else who hopped to get more elims. they're all just butthurt because his relatively dead timeslot makes it easier for him to do so. i dont hear any of these same people whining about altisio bitch about peacetown getting 19 billion elims in a single match by DEP feeding him. i don't personally have a problem with any of these players doing what they did - i 100% agree with you that it's the devs' fault for setting up a scenario where its incumbent on big accounts to maximize individual performance at the expense of their alliances during the most team-centric event in the game.

[@tumanycolley5278]

@@daveh6800 maybe you only choose to hear or read what people said about Altisio, but people have and continued to talk about Pt as well. BDR also had 1 competitive match all season - against N30. But they didn't try to feed elims. You think if they wanted to feed they couldn't do it? They'll do it even better. The only match their account in the top 10 moved is when it was clear EXM wasn't even gonna port with troops. No sane person who is in competition for 3 matches will just stay put while the others are moving around. Altisio started since day 1.

[@bdr_baby]

Hey genius! How can BDR feed Polarix and Patton if we didn’t even play ASH?

[@DepravityXO]

Look at my comment in response to Awa

[@jorgejaver7556]

this is rediculous