For Honor - Why boosting all game is bad

[@KingFancy]

I like boosting on a zone because it makes me feel like a boss fight

[@attacheli9591]

Sole lawbringer in the point and 3 guys show up. Attackers: It's going to be easy it's just one! *Champion Gundyr hp bar appears* Attackers: oh *Boss music starts playing* Attackers: shit

[@casbah2075]

A new challenger approaches

[@Pikmin.-]

Attac Heli as a lawbringer,main since the beginning, I can confirm

[@31rincewind]

"Never should have come here" skyrim music starts playing

[@kiwutgc9544]

Fr

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

You know what's worse than boosting the zone whole game? having 2 ppl boosting a single point the whole game. Yeah that happens all the time when I'm playing solo. I'm always like, fine I'll go 1v4 on the minion lane.

[@AlegendArises]

Had two jorms do this exact thing for two straight games and I died inside.

[@emerealm3779]

I do this on purpose with my friend and we win 7/10 games.

[@MintFiend]

@@emerealm3779 People like you are the reason I stopped playing public queue Dominion.

[@MultiRv90]

@@emerealm3779 Fuck you and your friend then

[@DrIownyou]

@@emerealm3779 I do it with my friend as well. We rotate helping the other two teammates when they need it. Just communicate and I will help. Spam stuff in chat and you're on your own lol. Mainly do it to counter roaming four person gank strategy. Get it all the time. 2v4 is better than 1v4.

[@modern.performer]

Conclusion: its more beneficial to keep B clean than to boost A or C.....

[@enz_0433]

Ayy raider dp squad

[@jotingodelacola760]

Y tho

[@modern.performer]

@@jotingodelacola760 did......you..........watch the video?

[@nobro6971]

Unless... you’re on The Shard

[@coastalalpaca852]

@@nobro6971 oof shard flashbacks

[@IanKeesee]

Alright all my Shugoki mains. Ready to be a roaming Shugoki? It might take us 20 years to get to B but we will get there eventually.

[@jamieholsey1106]

Ian Keesee lmao 🤣

[@isseihyoudou4872]

@Van Den Berg there is no point in using the big boy dash, the recovery is so long that it'd be like if you didn't use it running beside someone and you didn't fuck their sprint up lmao. Either way run run is bad

[@sinn5701]

I roam and defend xD

[@drderpphd]

@@isseihyoudou4872, I don't have solid evidence, but I'm pretty sure the average speed by repetitively oni dashing is one of the higher ones in the game.

[@isseihyoudou4872]

@@drderpphd ive literally been running beside a friend. Use big boy run. And the recovery is so long that my position never changed I'm back beside that friend I dashed ahead of

[@idramos]

As a solo player, I'll probably boost zones anyway. I'm aware that not or partially doing it is more efficient. I just don't trust random players enough to make these coordinated plays.

[@mariusjosefsson3176]

I am literally this.

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

As a solo player i always focus on the mid because clearing minions and holding the mid gives you MORE points than boosting a zone and it can't be contested when other players come in.

[@BattlePro3]

You're the random player that you dont trust lmao

[@grenelef]

@@RafaelSantos-pi8py Well, not every character can clear mid efficiently. Some are plain terrible at it. So, if you're playing a vanguard or something, then sure, clearing mid is VERY beneficial for your team. Otherwise, the capture points are the priority.

[@Surveyed]

God you're that guy who watches me get 1v3 and runs away lol.

[@PALATA-Gaming]

The title made me think of some workout channels like: "Why boosting all game is bad... *for your gains* " :D

[@Sekooma]

"Boosting all game is KILLING your gains!"

[@SultanOfYoutube]

Nice profil pic ac revelatioooon

[@PALATA-Gaming]

@@SultanOfKZbin Thanks mate

[@PALATA-Gaming]

@@LoRezGaming Damn it. You got me. I was actually referencing to him xD Nice one, mate. You got a laugh outta me :D

[@Joao-ur7ey]

For Honor is actually killing my gains. I always sleep late at night because of this. And I am starting to procastinate with my workouts... I simply cannot stop playing. lol

[@Amanugai]

14:45 It looks like Shaolin bats away Conq's shield for getting in the way

[@panko6632]

5:36 high IQ warlord gameplay right there

[@CharinVZain]

He was using his iq to bash freeze quite literaly

[@thesilverwind6922]

Haha head go bonk

[@rosegoid2307]

@Kevin Suwandi the warlord lost though

[@antonisxatzakis7702]

Lol that warlord

[@kosviik9584]

One thing that you really didn't mention, though it's important: All of this only matters if people play well. Either 4 good players, or a competitive environment. If I had to choose between an Orochi who just feeds revenge while getting external blocked, or a Lawbringer/Bash Prior who just sits on the point and tries to hold it, stall it from being sneakily captured, you know my choice. Since it isn't a choice I can make, I stick back myself, as I have no intention fighting with an useless teammate at my side, versus 1-4 enemies who just spam me with bashes and 50/50 guessing game moves. I sit on the point, boost, slowly gain points, go clear mid when it saturates, then I stroll back. Hold the point versus the occasional opponent that comes, then cry when few meta characters beat my pick from the other 70% of the cast, and my team can't get either mid or the other point versus one person.

[@DrIownyou]

Preach!

[@ZeroCraic]

Dear Fridge, The educational content must stop. Eventually the level will improve to the point where there is more competition in tournaments especially when TG lands. Players may even attribute issues on console to integrated input delay and will pick up the plausible improved version when they get their new consoles at the end of the year. As we all know the comp word is bad and you are contributing to more comp word. I know you'd never do that intentionally. Thanks for reading this and good luck with making duels versus light spammer videos instead. All the best, 0_c

[@fkkfreeze]

Very convincing, I will take it into consideration and make some meme montages while pondering about it!

[@fredfuchs5600]

@@fkkfreeze make a cent meme video with 50+db that will generate millions

[@kosviik9584]

@@fredfuchs5600 Don't forget the distortion effect during the 'INCREDIBILIS', both the audio and a deepfry effect on the picture.

[@stephenharcourt11]

If TG lands console FH will die, I cant play a dom game without landing with at least 1-2 KSA 80 latencey players on each team because everyone except them is jumping ship with the prospect of increased speed on the horizon. I'm all for the damage changes but the speed changes should not happen, we are 2/3 of the community and should not he brushed aside because the top percentage of your playerbase have a staring problem and are to scared to attack each other

[@CroJordan]

@@stephenharcourt11 I don't think TG changes will come that soon. I think they plan to make FH 60 fps on the next gen consoles otherwise they probably wouldn't have made drastic changes like this. At least I hope they think that far ahead and aren't oblivious. Could be wrong though. I hope I'm not

[@PALATA-Gaming]

I personally think that boosting the nearest point to the enemy spawn with 2 people total is a good way to keep them away from mid and your nearest point. The reason why is it demands your opponent's attention on some maps, thus making them waste their time and keep them away from other objectives. Except of course if they finally grow a brain, communicate as a team and gank you 4v2 or prioritise other objectives (which still are maybe defended by other 2) This is at least my way of seeing this, because i mostly play and communicate with my team of 4. But i still agree that one person won't make much of a difference if they're alone in the lobby with randoms.

[@felixd.5876]

T. Akb a competent enemy team will just ignore their home point then and go backcap and boost minion lane so you lose the game.

[@PALATA-Gaming]

@@felixd.5876 Agreed.

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

I agree as long you don't forget the mid and go clear minons.

[@Beanorator]

I boosted a zone yesterday and went 10 in 0 with 830 points, and my closest teammate only had 300 points

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

@@Beanorator Did you win? Because if you didn't who cares?

[@PrawnyBoy53]

Randoms often don’t make good plays that’s why I boost on a zone, less risk of getting pissed.

[@tomcee2545]

VRTX Prawn exactly bruv👍🏽

[@mackprime6975]

Have you considered that your team can view you the same way you view them as a random not making good plays when your boosting a point. Now they are going to be inclined to play in a way that hinders the team overall because “their random teammate (that’s you) isn’t making good plays”

[@PrawnyBoy53]

Mack Prime it doesn’t matter quite frankly. People just do not respond well to strangers pinging objectives or for assistance. If people actually paid attention I’d be more inclined to agree with you but the fact of he matter is, if they aren’t willing to work with me why should I work with them?

[@Criiies]

This mentality is a self fulfilling prophecy. Boost points because randoms suck > randoms get outnumbered and lose fights because you're boosting points > "man these randoms suck I better stay on this point" > repeat

[@PrawnyBoy53]

Julian not my fault people don’t look for pings and quick chat. I try and do my part but if they don’t want to listen or acknowledge it then there’s no point in trying to work with them.

[@sleepy-Arc]

As a person who has boosted points for 2 years I feel personally attacked

[@Ixb3rs3rkxI]

You have been a liability for 2 years

[@abi9514]

Same.

[@jakemorrison6634]

@@Ixb3rs3rkxI or he enjoyed the game while others took it too serious

[@iDeathSparky]

@@jakemorrison6634 Nobody denying that, doesn't make him any less of a liability to teammates

[@jakemorrison6634]

@@iDeathSparky who cares? It's not ranked and there's definitely not enough of a competitive scene for this to been seen as an issue atm

[@albedoalbatross]

Though there are some points I agree with, there’s also the point of teammates actually guarding the point from enemies. In a perfect FH match, yes I can see the team actually dealing with a 4v3 if the teammate does nothing but boost, but you also forget that the enemy might also try to point rush and gank the point guard. So technically it can range from 1v4 to a complete 4v4. And the way you made it seem was that the enemy would go after the other points other than the boosted zone

[@albedoalbatross]

I’m not saying that I fully disagree, I’m just saying this as a safeguard standpoint. But if someone is complaining about losing after they lost, then it can be their fault for not capturing the other zone from the enemy

[@MandaloreTheAlcoholic]

The only time I boost a point for extended periods, is when my team is capable of beating the other team consistently.

[@carson.4612]

1:05 That Valk and Shinobi just took a seat

[@reonthornton685]

The best thing to do is to play to your hero's strength if they have good minion clearing capabilities, or just keep an eye on what's going on elsewhere in the map if you are boosting. Boosting all game can be a good idea but only if you're having to defend it with some regularity. If your enemies are focusing the other points and your team can't dislodge them, you need to assist them. In other words, stay aware of what's going on in the battle and keep to where you are most helpful, even if that doesn't look like you get the most points.

[@Zayl1016]

Hey this was actually quite eye-opening. I will say though that when you are boosting a point and also managing to fight off ganks with a pretty decent antigank hero (like JJ), you're doing way better. If you can consistently beat a 2 or 3v1, you are doing your team real well as even though you might not be gaining points with a contested zone, you are depriving two other important zones of a number of heroes. I have had games where we should have lost but a good warlord/conq/JJ was fighting off ganks in a zone most of the match and thus kept us in good standing. But I used to genuinely think if I parked my ass in a zone, the unattested point accumulation was worth it and the longer I stayed there the better it was. Thanks for the vid!

[@robertfitzpatrick1943]

Personally I've found my favorite strategy working in 4s is to have a designated initial anchor on a home point while the rest of the team runs to the mid-lane initially, once the mid Lane is taken, the enemy team ends up in a choke point on B fighting for control, at which point the initial anchor can rotate out with teammates as needed to keep a constant presence in mid, or they all rush the initial anchor point and we simply rotate our anchor point to the one they decided not to focus on. Executed properly this strategy yields an initial 2-300 point lead, even if you lose your anchor point fairly early. And as long as you can maintenance the minion lane after that and run back captures on the main points then you're good.

[@DaSharkCraftMC]

I disagree with this argument partially because one major variable is missing and that's the enemy attacking your boosted point. While you are correct that boosting all game is not good, staying on one point, depending on your enemy, can be good. If the enemy gets behind in points, your point is likely the first place they will go to and you will begin to stall and your teammates can help. If you win that fight, you get a major boost on the scoreboard and in points. This makes it so "boosting" and "defending" combined are well worth it. That said, if someone's point never gets attacked, which is very rare from what I've seen, then yes, only boosting is a not sound strategy. Ideally your teammates would focus on stalling the other two points and force your team to only have the points.

[@CroJordan]

Here's my 2 Cents on this topic: I play the game since day 1. I agree that it's not good to just stand there on a point all game BUT if you leave it every now and then to Clear B and help teammates on mid or nearby in general I think it is reasonable. Quite often I'm in a Situation where I have nowhere to heal since no one was defending our "gimme point". The result is that the team gets slaughtered most likely if they already lost some or a lot of health which then leads to the opposing team having more time to secure these objectives + B while we are dead. It also gives them renown when they pick up these easy kills which makes the rest of the match more of an uphill battle even if you team up and try to take back your home point you get fire flasked, spear stormed etc. you name it. it is very hard to get ouf that situation and more often than not it results in your team breaking. So it's a thin line between being useless and uselful. People need to find a middleground Edit: watched more of the video and you mentioned most of what I've said

[@halosnova1604]

Thanks freeze, I had been wondering for a while why my team had been mad at me for us winning a game. Their main point was the fact that I was boosting a zone all game, and I hadn't understood that. Thank you for letting me know and others know that its a bad thing to boost all game. You really helped me freeze, and I hope others take your information as well as I did. Although I will say, when my teammates invited me to a party to ask what I was doing all game they were quite rude, I can understand they may be tilted after a match but really it would've gone the extra mile for them to explain why what I was doing was a bad thing for the team and not to do it anymore. I can't be hopeful for people to be like that anymore as I am playing For Honor of all games. (at least its not league of legends)

[@77Zenin77]

its been 3 years and this video is still something most players should see. just today i had 2 teammates boosting 1 zone the whole game. we lost of course

[@gameslayer-zt6sy]

Doesn’t help tho that some characters have just overall bad minion clear capabilities.

[@guipinus]

Me on breach: trying to stop the attack from dominning the zones and stopping the ram My teammates: gank in 1 guy and die

[@ThenThereThe]

What I do as a heavy is boost and anchor a zone, until a teammate close to me needs help in a 1v2, or if my team is 3v4 in another zone. This is a pretty optimal strat, if you asked me.

[@demonwolf570]

I would say it is. Heavies lack mobility so you decide to move only when you have a clear purpose to. I can definitely respect that.

[@lepyramid5730]

I'm just going to copy and paste a comment I made. Competitive player here, this isn't a viable tactic considering how if two people boost one zone the entire match the 2 people at mid are still going to have quite the tough time especially if they aren't going the correct heroes for mid. In most competitive scrims and dominion tournaments, a heavy like Black Prior or Warlord only boosts when the team doesn't know where all the enemies are if they do, that is when they leave for rotations and help their team at mid. Plus it isn't BAD to boost a zone it's just that boosting the entire match is utterly terrible.

[@demonwolf570]

@@lepyramid5730 2 people boasting a single zone is bad optimally but 1 (preferably heavy for the additional points for defending a zone) allows you to get the most you can out of a zone but unless you're capturing a zone in Breach it's pretty redundant.

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

If you're going to camp in a zone, do it in the zone nearest to the enemy's spawn, not your own. And somebody, ffs, clear out B.

[@leviationsaber1084]

Almost like b is also a point in the game 😂

[@josephrobinson6171]

I boost all game if the point I’m boosting is CONSTANTLY being attacked (as in a defeat one guy and not 5-10 seconds later another one comes along. It sucks to have two enemies constantly attacking your point and your three teammates can’t seem to contest B OR the other point against two enemies. Surely that would be an exception because it happened to me often?

[@dracanisobsidian1613]

The only time I boost is when I'm on temple garden up at a with lawbringers conquer perk and fourth teir bomb perks to keep minion lane cleared which is usually near the end of the game so yeah it falls in line with what the video suggests

[@GeistDrachen]

One of my strategies as Orochi as crazy as it is, is to attack zone A as Attacker or C as Defender since those are closest to the enemy spawns. Essentially I survive as long as possible to prevent the enemy team from gaining points while the rest of my teammates focus on B and the zone closest to our spawn. Suicidal? Yes, but it actually works.

[@Mick0Mania]

As a slow ass Highlander main, I tend to stand on points as long as I possibly can. If there is a 3v4 fight going on, I try to wait long enough for a teammate to gain revenge or to asses if they need my help at all. If so, I will have usually boosted the zone long enough for us to have an advantage so I come in to help. If we are getting steamrolled, I like to capture the opponent's zone and boost it, which forces them to either lose points overall (as our zone will be contested more often) or come attack me which takes pressure off of my teammates. Worked well for me so far. Of course, if a teammate comes in and starts boosting the zone, I leave immediately. In my experience, unless we are winning by a landslide the enemy team will eventually come to challenge my boost, so I end up contributing to the fight without having to leave the zone. If the enemy has mid and their zone boosted, there is not much point for me to boost our zone, so I try to leave and capture one of theirs or contest it to reduce their point income.

[@lostmarbles2499]

As someone who boosts a lot, I'm guilty of doing it all game sometimes. But one thing I've done recently to change that is to leave the home point and contest the enemy point once I have all 4 of my feats. Not a perfect solution, but it works for me and puts me in the field rather than stuck on a point.

[@AzureSky_Music]

Thanks for this. I’m tired of trying to convince campers that they don’t know how to be a good team mate.

[@knight_storm390]

Thank you for turning on my mind at 6 am Freeze!

[@Zayl1016]

I think a great video idea would be explaining why those changes in the recent testing ground that made more attacks unreactable (or harder to react to) is healthier for the game. The warrior's den did explain the concept behind why it would be healthier if more moves were more unreactable but you could tell a lot of people either misunderstood what was being said, or didn't listen to it.

[@jordansunderman5348]

The last time I was this surprised, you could get a free guard break off parry

[@thebigbadmango5387]

I play by myself a lot and when someone boosts point a or c the enemy team almost never goes and tries to get that point, so my teammate just sits there with 1 or 2 kills and did absolutely nothing. And then calles us trash for losing.

[@ren222]

If ubi put a ranked dominion games then everyone will start caring for these common mistakes

[@SilentLegion96]

Ranked dominion actually existed at one point but got removed since not many players played it. Only ranked duels remained for some reason. I highly doubt it had more players than ranked dominion.

[@ren222]

FactSpeaker1993 that’s actually funny because no one plays deathmatch and still they didn’t remove it.

[@voicecrackdt5412]

I play solo 90% of the time so I'm just gonna boost zones anyway and occasionally leave the zone to prevent whoever trying to capture it from touching the zone's border

[@elekdash]

I don't boost points, I party on them

[@shaycormaic5365]

I do this it's my fav way to play and I get to look at my coop cosmetics also when I boost I genuinely feel like I'm the sole reason my team won 😃

[@benchatthesea8238]

Totally agree, but as a solo player 90% of the time when someone come heal they don't stay there. I'll probably keep my boosting activity going

[@Ottakazi]

I usually just boost point when I realize my teammates dont understand how to not give an enemy revenge when I'm fighting them (95%) of my games and they end up killing us both bc of it.

[@sturmwatcher9928]

I completely agree, and it’s even worse when it’s 2 people. Because I personally love constantly love being in 2v4s at best. But my luck is constant 1v4s because F me.

[@modern.performer]

Agree but on some maps it makes sense to put 2 people on the ennemy team's neareat point and keep/boost it

[@umbra807]

I mean I do it on certain maps and certain situations. For example, if we are playing sanctuary bridge, or any map that has a point closer to the opponents, run to their point and hold it as long as I can. During that time it would be two at B and one at A just incase someone trying to past by. All the enemies are focused on me, so they get to boost and clear all they want and help me from time occasionally.

[@huntardlulz9416]

As a raider main my strategy is: Clearing B until i have my third feat if my teammates need assistance on a zone i'll help as much as i can. If we succed i'll head back to B and keep clearing the minions until i have third feat. I only boost the zone when i need healing. So far it has worked pretty well. I'm contribute to my team and helping out as much as i can.

[@codyb1909]

I didn't know you got points from killing minions so I thought capping mid was a liability rather than an advantage

[@Sandlchi]

Gotta say im enjoying the corona-inspired upload schedule

[@wolvenedvard3049]

Ah freeze, I would love if you shared your opinion on the new heroes coming this year. Do you think there will be two new wu lin? You think there will be two unique or “hybrid faction” heroes? What weapons would you like to see them to wield? I would love two between these: -Axe with Celtic oval shield or just a shield (favourite). - Lu Bu spear -Chakram or Katara, or Claws. -Dacian Falx -Estoc -Saber or Scimitar, or Falchion.

[@JustSway]

Ima link this to everyone that I see boost points all game to this video. A couple days ago my and my friend were just wanting to play and the other two were just sitting on our point, I was pissed. I knew we were going to lose. I would be fine if one person was on the point because we were on Sanctuary Bridge.

[@wardedman12]

You play on xbox? I think i was in that match lol my team won.. This is prob jus a coincidence but who knows

[@JustSway]

@@wardedman12 definatly a coincidence. I play on ps4.

[@kompadrekane7159]

I play an rare playstyle, The bard. I help out teammates, if they ask, or i see them beeing attacked by multible enemies. Also I hate ganking, and will refrain from doing so, if I see that the fight is fair.

[@joshdavis4661]

If you hate ganking, you probably shouldn't be playing dominion.

[@kompadrekane7159]

Josh Davis that why i play ranked and duels the most.

[@joshdavis4661]

@@kompadrekane7159 Smart move.

[@DucisImperium]

If someone watches me fight a guy on a point im just leaving as its pretty clear you have no intention of winning

[@guipinus]

Me and my friend: boost C and take B The other random teammates: keep A, and they can’t KEEP ONE FUCKIN ZONE

[@bestofthebest0326]

I mainly boost when I’m trying to get enemies to permanent breaking, or when I know that a person will keep coming back to a point over and over whenever they die.

[@demonwolf570]

I stay at one point normally until the minion lane is lost, then I head over to clear it. However, If backcapping is happening 4.6 seconds every time I leave any zone I'm just just stay at it for the rest of the game because I'm not abandoning my team in a 4v3. They are actively trying to take this point. Freeze didn't mention this type of situation but it happens quite a bit on smaller maps. Especially a lot on Shard.

[@SkaterBlades]

That's not boosting a zone all game, that's defending a zone all game. There's s difference, boosters are 4heads that sit on a zone when no one is attacking it while their teammates die in 1, 2 or 3 v 4's trying to take a zone so they gain points faster than the other team

[@SkepticHeathen]

I do find it's more beneficial with a bunch of randoms simply because while holding it I'll frequently be attacked 1v1 or 2v1 at the point i'm holding. This often results in an even or better situation for teammates and of course an easy spot to come back from minion and heal ( at which point i'd leave the point for minion lane ). I can see how with a team that's communicating this is bad. But too often i find if I leave our point all that happens is teammates won't notice the other team running right past them and sniping the point. Then everyone gets scattered , potentially dying in awkward situations and now opponents end up holding 3 points until respawn. And at this point usually enemy team will have 3 or more people come to the closest spawn point and it turns into a big brawl at that point that takes awhile and meanwhile they'll still have minion and their closest point. Obviously on the right team staying there all game is bad, but with a bunch of randoms as long as enemies keep coming my way it seems to work well. edit : nm , i made this point before the 5:00 minute mark, he just covered this.

[@asnowman5866]

My boi freeze uploading at 5am

[@GeneralForster]

Honestly, I always assumed that rotations were pretty common (at least as long as injured players have the sense to retreat when injured and not die needlessly). Even still, pretty annoying when you have teammates using mid clearing classes try to boost when you're using someone who can't clear mid nearly as well. Guess that's why we don't play with randoms. If you do see this comment, I'd like to suggest a video about something like "what to do when breaking" or some such (especially for situations where even holding all zones won't cause your team to rally). I feel like a lot of people will just do whatever they were already doing even if you can no longer rally. Not sure if I'm doing things wrong by trying to gather everyone together for a last stand or if the randoms are by splitting up and trying to push the zones. I could honestly see either one, or both, being wrong.

[@ultrajusticeofficiel4670]

Me : Players are ganking me! I need support! The teamate holding a point during all game and watchin in the distance: Continue! You are doing great! Me: NOT THAT KIND OF SUPPORT DAMNI...*Dies*

[@rickynonays2194]

Hey freeze I’ve been extremely unsure about something for a while and I can’t shake if you made a video on it or not and have no friends to test it with, but does the conqueror feat affect how many points are gained by boosting a point in dominion? I know it’s a substantial, almost essential feat in breach. But is it even useful in dominion at all?

[@mykotman9406]

It doesn't affect how many points per second in dominion. It's 1 or 2 points still. Boosts last like 10 or 15 seconds longer, and zones are taken proly like 1 second faster. Pretty much a useless feat. Taking points in breach just got sped up too in a recent patch.

[@rickynonays2194]

mykotman ps4 that’s depressing, I been running it like every game cause I was almost certain it made things faster ;-;

[@reaperofsouls321]

I think the ideal strat is pair roaming at the start, two break off their pair to the middle lane who have strong/stronger minion clearing than the partner.. Since both instances have the mid lane decently close to both points switch off and panic back-up if the first pair gets that 4 player deathball on one point. Divide and conquer is good but solely depends how the other team even works to begin with, if they strictly deathball then it's a simple game because though they have the most kills in some instances they play more recklessly feeding the oh so useless revenge we always need lol increases a team's improbability of dying to deathballing.. Unless of course they gank smart which is often the case but I still think this is the overall best strat for Dominion.

[@theshadow5200]

Nice double kill at the beginning of the video

[@lux6230]

I see your (Freeze) point, and I agree that an extra teammate in ganks is generally more valuable than one boosting a point all game, but allow me to pull up some points on why people do this. -People don't trust their teamates. In solo matchmaking, it's hard to coordinate a team objectively, so usually they just go around killing people and leave behind unprotected points. There were also times when my randoms were feeding the deathballing team at A, so I just camped C in hopes that they moved on. By the time my teammates gave up on feeding them, we still had a chance of winning because I farmed C and B. -Another reason is because the player sucks. One of my friends is new to the game, and she struggles against the people I matchmake with her (I'm a much higher rep than her). We tell her to sit the point, because she becomes a liability in ganks, feeds people revenge, and cannot hold her own against most people. We opted to let her take a defensive playstyle by camping points, and so far it has worked out fairly well in both the enjoyment and strategy of each game. If she encounters someone, we rush back and help her as she holds them off. -It's actually a viable strategy. I know you (Freeze) literally said that camping a zone is more of a detriment than a help, and I agree, but sometimes it's for the better. Having a boosted zone all game is a huge benefit to the team score wise. IF your team is capable of 3v4ing the enemy team (via revenege gain, seperating them, deathballing, etc.), then it would actually help more by boosting a zone and leaving them to their own devices. To be honest, boosting a zone the entire game or not is not an individual problem, but is rather part of the bigger question, "What should I be doing right now?" If your team has control of the map, is absolutely destroying the enemy themselves, find you more problematic than useful in fights, or is just so incompetent that you need to carry your team point-wise to stay in the game, than staying at a point(s) instead of helping the team is completely viable. However, like you've (Freeze) said, if the team needs help in a critical gank that they're struggling with, need help capping points, or anything else that needs additional assistance that you are capable of doing, than you should leave and help. It's all about what you should be doing in reaction to the current situation, not cemented rules on how long you stay at a point. If you need to camp or help, do it to the benefit of your team. Thank you for listening to my Tedx talk.

[@propastypete1958]

Can we have a video talking about basic breach tips? It's not an awful mode, but 99% of people in matchmaking treat it as a huge deathmatch and it's so frustrating.

[@grenelef]

The most practical advice from this video: if it's all the same to you, boost the point which is closer to mid. I'll remember that.

[@flyntdanger5590]

uh oh freeze you’re gonna trigger the warlords

[@PikX221]

It's extra dumb when you have two teammates in a party that camp in a zone during a whole game TOGETHER. They are emoting each other while me and another teammate fighting 2 or 3 enemies all the time. The urge to quite the match when that happens is unreal.

[@demonwolf570]

Chill out. They're just having fun. If you have that much of a problem with that, you can just send them a message later letting them know your side of the story and ask them to change politely. Often times when I emote spam with someone, they're a random. I rarely stay at the same point all game but I've stayed just to emote spam a few times.

[@BattleFroad]

Also if you’re boosting a point try your best to keep the fight off the point to squeeze out a few more points and also keep the advantage of healing while they try to worm their way in

[@tron0150]

Yea boosting is bad, except wnen I don't do that my team dont gain any points and just die then leave in the middle of match and so I alone with 3 bots completely hopeless, search the most cinematic place in map to die

[@mackprime6975]

Serious question. Let’s say for example we are playing on temple garden and the C point is consistently being contested and changing hands every minute or so while the mid point is not as hectic as C but being cleared again every now and again. With point gain being inconsistent under these circumstances, would it be beneficial to capture A if you see its undefended and defend A for the game unless you see the mid point is captured by the other team or you see a huge 3 v 4 team fight?

[@powerjack5558]

1 post I saw said that people with 2 weapons, aramusha, berserker, should be able to counter after they get light parried since their lights only use one weapon

[@dallasjonpaulgrove547]

It's common knowledge that even if you can't clear mid, you still have teamfighting potential, so expecting your teammates to do all the fighting for you is not only hurting yourself and your own experience but also hurting your teammates as well. It doesn't mean don't boost especially if you don't have the kit to clear out minions quickly, just don't sit there all game, lookf or something to occupy your hero and their particular skill set. Anti-Backcap, teamfights/gank, and switching and opponent around could help out quite a bit as long as your teammates are rotating properly. All in all, before even watching the video I can already tell you that this is just a good example to follow, you don't have to and you can play the way you like, but ultimately everybody knowing the strat is gonna help out allot, especially in full random lobbies.

[@merkwadvasilios9354]

Just a reminder, it’s a myth that heavies get more renown by boosting zones. Every hero gets an equal amount of renown per minute when boosting a zone (110 r/min)

[@fkkfreeze]

retest then

[@merkwadvasilios9354]

freeze I have just retested it and I can confirm that my statement is still true. If you would like, you can repeat my experiment and record tour findings. First, you have to have user interface presets at full, that way you can see how much renown you get per action in the chat. Then start a custom match of dominion with no bots so that they don’t interfere, stand on a point and the moment it’s captured, start a timer for 1 min. When the minute is up, record how much renown you get for boosting the zone.

[@d-skullgaming696]

So two things happened. A) your test was incorrect or B) you experienced a bug, since Heavies are supposed to get more renown than all other classes while holding a point. Of course, there's always the possibility that the devs changed it without knowing or without telling. Wouldn't be the first time.

[@demonwolf570]

@@merkwadvasilios9354 I think Freeze confused gaining more renown for boasting a point vs defending. I think heavies do get more points when they kill a hero while defending their point. Like some assassins get more points than other heroes in 1v1s.

[@mudshrooze]

Once again you fill my head with knowledge that I was oblivious too. Thankyou sir

[@jackworthing7780]

good vid, but I think thats too much for random lobby to handle. Especially when enemies still sometimes like to doomstack and win all fights, but loose the game cause of points. Also: regenerate in dom? Is that really the best 4th feat for conq?

[@hazulaf]

This may only be me but when i boost i always juggle one of the zones and the minion lane, but theres also when some enemies try to back cap and so i also end with decent kills (8-25) depending on how much they want me dead, but i also only boost with heavies.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

Yup, heroes like shugoki and warlord are made for zoneboosting, conq is made for capturing points, while BP and JJ are more made for supporting.

[@eliteslayer66]

3:58 I feel bad for your ally there.

[@jasonli3341]

I had a match where my entire team was just camping point A(not sure if they were trolling or not) and I was the only one running around. I was able to clear mid pretty easily since I was lawbro and I tried to secure C. I basically lost every fight tho and it became a cat and mouse game where I clear mid then grab C when the other team is distracted, then get pushed out of C like 2 min later when the whole team come charging in at me.

[@demonwolf570]

Were they a clan or have the same character?

[@AchPhoenix]

I feel called out for being on C this whole video :kekw:

[@dontyodelsohard2456]

Once I had a guy in voice chat all game boosting A in Temple Garden as he complained that we were garbage teammates as we lost team fight after team fight, gank after gank... Then after the end of the game I politely messaged him and said: "C'mon man, why did you shower us with insults as you did nothing but sit at A all game?" He messaged back saying there is nothing he could do, he was number one so it means he was the best and reiterated that everyone but him was garbage... I completely agree boosting is a bad strat, unless I am ordered to do so in a premade team, then I do it to be respectful of whoever gave the order...

[@wrathoffire7012]

How I usually play it when I play is I hold a point and boost it and occasionally rotate where needed. Most but not all of my focus is on that key point

[@wrathoffire7012]

How I usually see teams are two point holders and a mid clearer and a rotating/backup mid clear

[@Lightfire398]

It's definitely frustrating when people sit on a point, though I'm less inclined to be annoyed by it if the map is something like Sanctuary Bridge and they are sitting in the 'home' point for the other team, since the other team tend to throw throw themselves at that point. Also not so annoying if it's A point on The Shard, since that just seems to be where pretty much *all* the fights happen. I'll just bounce between B and C then to keep them clear and capped.

[@absolutephoenix5312]

I sometimes boost all game if the enemy team can be easily defeated by my teammates. If it's looking hot, I will stop boosting and try to cap other zones

[@mudshrooze]

That isntsarcasm. I really do love this channel thankyou.

[@astartes7313]

what boosting is bad? :0 (tell that to my random team mates)

[@coldravioli7839]

Should really watch the video. Boosting is NOT bad. ONLY boosting, and not doing anything else, is bad. Boosting should be done whenever possible and it's not to the detriment of your team.

[@stefanmihic6153]

Freeze what are your thoughts on jormungandr? I am thinking on buying him but I do not know if he’s bad or good.

[@joaquinnnn1121]

I like watching your videos high, i never hear you i just watch the gameplayyy

[@goldenhitmonlee777]

Hey freeze, I msged u a while back about custom controller settings messing with feinting while target swapping, I feel like I didn’t explain what I think is happening very well. I don’t how it’s happening or if it has anything to do with custom controls (on console) but about half the time I enter a team fight, my first chain is completely unfaintable, this includes soft feints. I thought this was due to me changing my lock on button to LB, but I’ve changed it back to the default LT for lock and the issue is still present, I own a reg ps4 controller. Many of my other buttons are not default. However everything works fine cept for this. Ur thoughts on my issue would be nice to read

[@savic1984]

When i am in a match and i die in a 1v4 and during my spawn timer i see a teammate sitting boosting a point all game i just give up and go boost with him. I go to that cap and sit there with him. They either leave then i leave or they stay and spam retarded emotes.

[@Am4t3r4su]

So.... you lose the game for your team then? That one teammate you choose to scapegoat who is boosting your teams points is the problem and not you for being bad? Not his fault you ran or got yourself stuck in a 1v4. Not his fault you don't know how to fight off multiple opponents and make your escape Not his fault you failed in your decision making skills. Don't fault a teammate boosting a point just because you keep dying. Won't fix your level of skill and certainly won't help anything either trying to force someone to do something else. Just being real.

[@savic1984]

@@Am4t3r4su yea maybe i am much worse than everyone else and he is better so my point stand i will come afk on a point he can go deal with a 3v4 game

[@victornguyen1175]

Hey Freeze, you think you can drop a video on what the term, 'reactable/unreactable' actually means? Not just for me, but for everyone. I know you did reactability videos before, but a fresh and updated one (especially due to the recent Testing Grounds stuff) would be great. From what I've seen around the web, people seem to have completely different ideas of what it means and it's infuriating how off some of them can be. Some people seem to think that '*UN*reactable' means 'so fast you can't even move your guard fast enough', where others mean it's just fast enough that it isn't a free parry/punish every time. This mostly pertains to mix-ups that don't involve something innately unblockable, as you always have the option to block those (which is easier than parrying). I'm tired of misconceptions of what unreactable even means, especially the '33% chance to block because 3 directions' example a LOT of people are somehow *still* throwing around. I know this sounds convoluted but to try and provide a proper example, a lot of people still think the recent Testing Grounds changes turn the game into a complete guessing game (at *all* times) so fast you can't even block *ANYTHING* without guessing, which is a load of garbage. I'd love something to help put everyone on the same page and help stop misuse of the terminology. Again, long winded and confusing question but I hope it sort of makes sense.

[@Jon_Fury]

When I played I sat on a point until a teammate called for help. Cause if I leave a point unattended then the enemy would just simply capture it. I guard the point until someone releases me of my duties or I see the whole enemy team on the minion line or the other point. To make up for my absence, I always went for the point closest to the enemies to distract until my teammates captured the other point and/or cleared the minion lane. Was my strategy bad?

[@mustbejay6402]

This video has motivated me to play conquer as much as it pains me

[@fkkfreeze]

I'm having quite a bit of fun with him :)

[@mustbejay6402]

I’ll do better

[@JDT979]

I keep thinking of this video because the topic gets me upset too much. They should implement a basic tutorial that tells you how 4 is the greater number than 3.

[@InstiGator805]

You would think it was obvious. Thats what I've been doing since the game released, but some people cant seem to grasp the importance of moving around the map capturing & holding B.

[@nightknight7748]

what if you are boosting a point but a enemy constantly comes back every time you kill them

[@scalycoronet5198]

After I capture a zone I wait a couple of seconds to make sure that nobody is coming, and boost the zone for a second. But I’m not sitting there all game. That’s just stupid

[@nextgenstatus]

Or when you see two point holding the same point while forcing me and the other teamate to do all the work while they spam emotes and get "high" kill games.

[@mykotman9406]

This is funny. Boosting is good. Having one point boosted all game is good. The title of this video is oversimplified just as freeze said himself that he was oversimplifying. Not even taking into question an objective being contested or not, since that is actually a big factor. Or whether or not that 4th person came for your objective you're boosting. Or feats during fights since the "3v4" teamfighting was emphasized a lot. And 3v4 yes true that is unfavorable but there is actually something favorable about it. That 4th person isn't boosting their point. Only getting half the points. Dominion is all about points PER SECOND and that's it, nothing else. Not kills or fights or scoreboard (only game score). What sense does it make to leave a point when you get half points per second and leave it undefended? Now I'm all for leaving the objective when somebody has to heal I mean that just makes sense. It only takes like 5 seconds or less to heal. But somebody should always be boosting. If somebody comes to fight you on your objective you're boosting then you should try to fight them just off of it. Getting 1 point per second is better than getting none while they're contesting it. And leaving an enemy's home objective is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in dominion. Let's leave their home objective after we take it so they can just recapture it when they spawn. The way dominion should be played is that a team should focus on only holding and boosting two points that are closer to each other than farther apart. And not even trying for the 3rd one. So A&B or C&B unless it's Shard. Two objectives closer to each other than farther apart so you can get to your teammates or get to the healing point more quickly. And adjust the strategy depending on the situation. But holding those 2 points and boosting both to get a good enough lead on hard points so that way when it nears 1,000 points you have a big enough lead to where the other team will probably not come back. Holding the majority of objectives (there's a reason there's only 3) the majority of the time will give you the majority of the points and will give you a lead. Dominion is all about points per second, that's it.

[@superlameusername362]

What about the time it takes to reach where the fight is going on? The best strategy I think is when no one else is on a zone, you get a free capture. And usually in half a minute or so, someone comes to contest you.

[@UnderTheWalnutTree]

Freezes advice, while sound, is very oversimplified. If people keep contesting you for that point, then stay on it. If people are contesting you for that point because they're slaughtering your team and have full control over all the other points, it might be a good idea to help out instead

[@DecisiveHard]

Thanks for saying this. I’ve lost count the amount of times I’ve been on losing teams because 1 or more people are afking on a Dom point while their teammates are 1/2/3 v 4’d

[@Am4t3r4su]

Play smarter. If someone is boosting for your team, they are getting points. If you keep fighting bad fights and being bad, then that's on you really. People need to learn when to not take a bad fight and run. Yes sometimes you can't run, but you can look at your radars and use your eyes to see when a situation is about to be FUBAR'd and make a tactical retreat. Blaming the ally boosting your score for you isn't going to fix your mistakes regardless.

[@white_mann1015]

Bruh this is so true. One of my mates constantly does this and it's annoying.