How NOT to Make a World | PvZ3C Beta Ep.5

[@olivertheolive2362]

it feels like they design these levels around having 5 lawnmowers

[@notad-class3899]

Ikr It's as if the devs thought it was pvz 2 but with different graphics.

[@SomeDudeOnline27492]

The same level designers for pvz2c prob.

[@supreme_peashooter66]

AND THERE were no 5 LAWNMOWERS but no we get this mo ah mf

[@neuralstrings8015]

@@SomeDudeOnline27492 did you not watch the video

[@UlyssesK402]

They should be designed around having 0 lawnmowers in the first place!

[@angwelio]

Man, "missile toe dealing great damage" immediately followed by "it can kill a basic on 2 shots" is just killing my mood

[@MatiasSoto-x8g]

The way flag zombie starts talking about how he "finished" it, it's clear that he was in a world of pain.

[@UlyssesK402]

1:58 Oh *joy.* A gravestone that, at its *weakest,* periodically spawns *coneheads.* I'm cool with Imp Porter tents because at least they can spawn pure basics (even if bucket heads are also possible) and you can prevent them from spawning. But not these graves, apparently.

[@CorruptedEvangelist]

And the fact that the tents are way more controllable, since they can only spawn on gold tiles and imp porters usually don't spawn in huge amounts. But here, the graves spawn in a bigger area, and they won't hesitate to drop like 6 of them. Well, at least the timers aren't really small and scale with bigger graves.

[@UlyssesK402]

@@CorruptedEvangelist "...they won't hesitate to drop like 6 of them." A move like that should be the kind of thing that you do in the later parts of a later and longer level. And you build up to it.

[@CorruptedEvangelist]

@@UlyssesK402 exactly. But they expect us to deal with it at early stages of the level, somehow

[@memerboi7128]

Secret service zombies: Bombs? They’re yours my friend

[@UlyssesK402]

The amount of Secret Service zombies is like the designers are trying to "beat" the players... YOUR GOAL AS A DESIGNER IS NOT TO "BEAT" THE PLAYERS!

[@DVDshkaa]

Holyyy this sunflower singer hero form is so hot!!

[@cloudleoricrivera5010]

Hard for plants

[@mesuper455]

I think this is one you should keep to yourself man…

[@jeremypanjaitan4039]

I really dont understand why we still only have 1 lawnmower when the levels are actually long and spammy, its wierd

[@chrisblanco9036]

Can’t believe someone else thought about including drones in PVZ. Just yesterday, I thought about a zombie for Steam Ages (the one in Reflourished) that, overtime, would make these drones using scrap and gears. The drones would look kinda like those flies from Lost City, but with more mechanical features.

[@OtherAxoltol]

59:52 I was thinking when seeing the graves, "Feels like the devs made these with cherry bomb in mind. Forgetting that no, we don't have cherry bomb" Threepeater would've also been nice for the green drones

[@megamasterx9003]

Threepeater or Starfruit or even Rotobaga would have been perfect here, genuinely surprised they're not in this game, Cherry Bomb specially considering it was a power before.

[@tabdeugo]

I’m gonna be honest, with how much Pvz you play and considering some of the wacky strategies you pull out of god knows where that you somehow manges to make work... I’m seriously surprised some people don’t take you seriously when you call out bad game design, like there are are a few aspects i disagree with you (like the tacos being restricted to 1 type of plant that i think is fair personnaly), but i can’t deny you know way more about PVZ than most of us who watch you do, i suppose that since you almost never show your losses, people assume that it’s easy just by looking at your gameplay. Also toxic positivity, some people just can’t seem to understand that speaking about the bad aspects of a game dosen’t mean you hate the game, more often than not, it means you acctualy care more about it than people who say nothing; you call out bad stuff and wish certain aspects were better to make the game better, not to just spit and stomp on the game because you don’t like it . Keep doing what you’re doing dude, there’s a reason i stick around to your channel.

[@buffete3753]

Now that is a comment like I love them.

[@Blue_Mr_Gutsy]

This person right here is speaking the truth folks, well said pal.

[@buffete3753]

Just by looking at the thumbnail , I feel like you must have been in a world of pain (in both way). May god bless your brain to not go insane.

[@elvisjbier]

The Gravestone puzzles are actually extremely cool, and the gravestone mechanics in general are fresh and welcomed here. I am still in copium mode, hoping that all of the negatives of the beta are due to the devs taking an experimental approach on what works and what doesn't, and that this isn't a sign on how the final game is going to look.

[@UlyssesK402]

They're blurring the line between "calculated experiments" and "throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks."

[@elvisjbier]

@UlyssesK402 i didnt use the word "calculated" for a reason Its already a bad sign that they are implementing whole half-baked mechanics that dramatically change the game

[@thenohacksandmoneyspending2210]

The gravestone is ok, they are just Imp Tent from PVZ2 in a way. The problem is that they completely ruined it by overusing it in combination with absolutely horrible level design.

[@ЕлисеевИван-х7я]

59:49 I don't know if somebody already mentioned this, so sorry if yes. When Experimental Zombie trows his "potion (idk how is that thing named) at Sunflower Singer, it removes her glasses.

[@nobody-fe9jt]

Is this glitch or intentional?

[@ЕлисеевИван-х7я]

@nobody-fe9jt I don't think this is intentional

[@Lissy_YT481]

Vials

[@ЕлисеевИван-х7я]

@@Lissy_YT481 thanks

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

I mean, when it comes to Chinese PvZ vs International, it’s good ideas with HORRENDOUS execution, or uninspired ideas with generic execution. Pick your poison.

[@buffete3753]

That's basically that , sad the fan mod are better than the original even if I am glad they are here. Wish popcap could hire some of them instead of copyright claiming stuff left and right.

[@rizkidary837]

Wait popcap still on pvz3? I thought it's now all EA​@@buffete3753

[@UlyssesK402]

Ioccane.

[@thebucketheadgaming]

Kinda crazy how they made graves for Secret Service Zombies but not for Bucketheads. Secret Service Zombies don't seem like they even deserve a grave at all, much less at the cost of a grave for a classic and far less busted zombie. The devs seem to underestimate the power of their creations

[@Vlyg11]

Should've been Basic > Conehead > Buckethead Graves, That would've been so much more fitting. Feel bad for your discrimination🙏🙏

[@thebucketheadgaming]

@@Vlyg11 Yes, that would make more sense than graves that spawn those BS special zombies

[@ScaredSackless4566]

The spawning graves design wise are very close to the far future graves from pvz2, both even are rocket propelled

[@Vlyg11]

the music choices here are really fitting (and good.) 45:38 the Introduction of Guns Blazing with The Beat drop goes so hard here.

[@JoseViktor4099]

Something I forgot to comment is how poorly animated Cactus is wtf. Not only the angle is a very weird one for no reason, but also he does barely move, is a PNG they squished twice. What happened here?

[@Pastryman-g9u]

To be fair, PvZ2C had a very similar issue, with most new plants also having lackluster animation. I was hoping they'd at least improve that in PvZ3C

[@LauBauBer]

Also, the animation is not properly synced with the attack. The spike comes out about half a second after the animation finishes

[@Ming-Kang-Lin]

what great character design it is when you make the glasses opaque so it's harder to tell which zombies are giga or not

[@KingDeeDeeDee]

Oh boy, my regularly scheduled pain from flag zombie!

[@AidanDaGreat]

30:55 Glad to see someone else who appreciates the X-nauts theme. It's such a banger, man!

[@JoseViktor4099]

57:05 Ok that was real funny I have to admit

[@catgameplayer]

How to make level 5 primal peashooter seem like a good idea:

[@michadylawerski2939]

Just what we needed after that new blog post

[@larrymantic2635]

Which was just “Hey, we need your input on a new art style”

[@jeremypanjaitan4039]

so now the artists have to make everything a different artstyle?

[@thenohacksandmoneyspending2210]

@@larrymantic2635That is just stupid. The art style is not the problem they should be working on. The art style is fine as it is. This either proves that they truly don't listen to their fans or listen to a very small and specific group of fans.

[@Trett-ez8vj]

Why does the shovel have like a 0.1 second cooldown after being used... Thats weird that they even made an animation for this.

[@thenohacksandmoneyspending2210]

The fact that people have problem with your "Negativity" is insane. You can not be positive if there are barely anything that is remotely passable. People said that there are way too much negativity and toxicity surrounding the game but I am seeing more of people being blindly positive about the game. They refuse to give valid reasons and just ignore constructive criticism. People really should know that being overly positive can be interpreted as being passively toxic. The devs are not going to fix the game if we keep yapping at them but just blindly accepting everything they do with no judgement is not going to help the game either.

[@Daniel-oh3hi]

23:47 Before anything else, I would never say something like "let this franchise die already" I would never something as silly as that, ever. Now, there is a huge issue in pvz2 that has been bugging me for a while and it is the fact that the game is pretty limiting and it shows how the devs have run out of ideas for new and unique plants. I'd say that this shouldn't have been that much of an issue if they stopped making new plants and instead focused more on getting and upgrading existing ones, but as we all know, this is not the case. Popcap (even if very slowly) are still releasing new plants even if they don't have the manpower to do so anymore and now we have this buggy mess of a game with every single plant powercreeping the other, with animations that work in 1 FPS. The problem is, they clearly don't have a team big enough to keep this game in a healthy state so seeing them still making new plants seems pretty dumb to me. What they SHOULD do instead is focus more on balancing, bug fixes and ,as i said before, MAKE IT MORE FREE TO PLAY. (They could also make it have official mod support like a library of mods which you can choose which one you want to play instead of making players have to follow 10000 steps in order to play ONE mod) Pvz3 is a sad case, lack of creativity combined with lack of variety, level design made by the one guy who LOVES ECLISE hardcore mode, music that gets repeated too many times and MICROTRANSACTIONS, but hey, at least it has a pretty artstyle. Instead of making all those new plants for pvz2, they could have instead made them for pvz3, they even look like they belong there. Once again the biggest problem is the lack of a team to work on this game afteral how many YEARS did it take them to make the last beta we had that basically brought almost NOTHING new to the table. Not to mention how it tries to be dofferent from the other pvz games by having a story mode that just does not work for a silly plant game. The game is in a pretty poor poition and even if it one day becomes good, it won't be anytime soon (I hope I'm proven wrong though) It really seems like mods are what is keeping the franchise alive nowadays and I don't mind this because they are quite good and unique in their own way. I just wish the best for those games as I don't want them to fall into obscurity.

[@Daniel-oh3hi]

I wrote a little too much, sorry.

[@trashboxbobylev9900]

> made by the one guy who LOVES ECLISE hardcore mode at least in all variants of ECLISE it is more... clear, that you need to build big, with 400+ sun plants, and support them with instants PvZ3C has no big plants and no instants, so hardcore design falls apart...

[@UlyssesK402]

I firmly believe that it shouldn't be the fans' responsibility to keep a franchise alive, but honestly? It's better than franchise death.

[@cardboard_kitten]

As for what you said about the franchise thing, I think pvz is a really cool thing I just kinda think that they absolutely peaked with pvz2 and the idea of different worlds being different eras of history which was absolutely fascinating to me. I hope they realize this and eventually return to that formula or at least keep updating it with more adventure content. I still remember when far future was the newest world you could play lol

[@CymantiShaman-f6n]

Thing is, if they wanted a cool new special zombie that could tank a squash, they could’ve made it a gargantuar that spawns at a reasonable rate! But no, instead we get plants vs S.S zombies

[@lilaniloxi]

Oh boy, the thumbnail really does say it all huh. At least they tried something new with this game i guess? Im not super against those gravestones *as a concept* but the execution needs to be nailed for it to not feel totally unfair... And that's exactly what they didn't manage to do, yipee. Also, Planet Robobot music spotted, great taste

[@alexanderthegreatii1341]

5:40 most fair pvz 3 level be like:

[@Koontz_Terraria]

Was it like level 148 or 147

[@alexanderthegreatii1341]

@Koontz_Terraria those too

[@leodankovic8832]

The state of your lawn at the end of the later levels reminds me of my lawn at the end of Jurassic marsh levels, baren. Even the drones kinda reminds me of the dinosaurs, it's like, well here is a zombie way too close for comfort.

[@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewer]

49:35 PvZ 2 Absolution had one level with drones, but they had different mechanic (even more stealth-based than here).

[@nobody-fe9jt]

Can you explain it? Im curious

[@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewer]

@nobody-fe9jt Well, there were drones that spawn in the middle of lawn and walk toward your house (not returning back). The point is avoiding damaging them, and they will just move away. If it gets any damage, it spawns Explorer Zombie with Springtrap mask that runs to your house, avoiding plants and lawnmowers (so, if it spawns, it's instant game over).

[@oconceptor8845]

23:00 I think we can just consider the PVZ mod community, because EA already killed the franchise. And honestly its better to receive new players by the mods than the official EA PvZ games.

[@nobody-fe9jt]

Its a real shame that this is the case

[@pedromartins6810]

23:47 A franchise can be left alive as long as there is still love left. While popcap is doing a questionable job at best, they still listen to the fans to some extent, hence why they cancelled pvz3 2(?) times because the fans did not like it. The one franchise it looks like needs a mercy kill is angry birds. While I know very little about it's fanbase today, it went from a free mobile game people were buying whole phones just to play it, to making so many bad decisions it truly looks like they hate ut's old time fans and everything that made the og game good.

[@SophieWinter-1]

It seems like they're listening to feedback but executing it very poorly. Examples would be: Complaint: Zombies are too weak. Solution: Make every plant weak and every zombie way stronger, and add giga zombies. Complaint: Levels are too short. Solution: Add stupidly long giga levels every so often. I like the gravestone gimmick, but it would be way better in a game like PvZ2. In my opinion this game is doomed to be bad though.

[@RafioElfGaming]

Those drones that bugged are detecting wall-nuts. I believe wall-nut have bigger hitbox

[@RealCommonMortal]

The artists did an amazing job on plant heroes, they look awesome.

[@FlubbedsodaGamingOfficial]

Ill just say. THE ARTSTYLE IS FUCKKNG BEAUTIFUL ON SOME PLANTS

[@Seedy2]

The pvz3 style is a real hit or miss when it comes to a lot of the plants, zombies , environment’s and so on I think that’s why it’s probably really contested It’s too cartoony in some places, it’s too ugly in others but then you get some good parts.

[@happygav123]

Oh cool, another video of Flag Zombie torturing himself by playing the most abysmal levels in existence.

[@nobody-fe9jt]

I think even the Odyssey: Purgatory from PvZ Fusion mod has better level design

[@btstudios8140]

On the bright side at least you can pick your plants

[@Last_Person]

Is it wrong I kind of see potential in the drone idea, perhaps making them come down every lane in an ambush to push building walls further forward? Like don’t get me wrong the way they’re used here is terrible but I see potential nonetheless

[@Koontz_Terraria]

"Great concept on paper, Terribly executed"

[@oscarfernandez5599]

I think if the drones moved in different patterns (marked at the start of the level with a line or something) instead of moving to the end of the line and back they could be fun and less annoing

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

The drones are great additions It's the fact that they can spawn garg sized zombie that make them worse

[@Roszaltacounteditorofrdb]

I wonder if research institute was also planned for pvz3i

[@CircusRope001]

38:52 The Giga Madmen and Experiment Zombies here kind of remind me of the Malatone Formula:X from Mario and Luigi: Bowser Jr’s Journey

[@Kaiden-q9y]

I rushed to click on that notification the second i saw it

[@liber2350]

The graves are fine. The flask throwers are fine. Whats not fine is how the game is so fast paced that you can make it to the first flag without a single attacker down. It just means you never have enough firepower to actually be able to kill the spawned zombie and whittle down the grave ever without just destroying the grave immediately, and it means you can never afford to lose a single plant. Ive never been a fan of the pacing of pvz3 or this beta, and these gimmicks really show it

[@Koontz_Terraria]

I'm wondering how you probably didn't throw something then break your pc then cry in despair playing these

[@user-w5y-t1v]

The flag zombies in this world aren't even themed...

[@flagzombie]

A shame really.

[@kirbyhasn9047]

I am surprised that you STILL have hope for pvz3. TBH this game doesn't seem like they playtested it as some levels of the levels are impossible especially the giga levels, the progression in this game is horroid like it's rushy like what you said there aren't plants that help with that, no stalling plants no other instas just squash and potato mine.. The plants are too weak meanwhile the zombies are overpowerd as hell, variety is nowhere to be found half of the plants do the same thing except this one is slightly better than the other one, the zombies are the case half of are just ranged that have slightly different effect. Like what someone told me before this game is the gacha game syndrome "the art is beautiful but everything is else is horrible". I just hope the people working on this listen to the feedback and improve things... Only time will tell.

[@TheSmallManDownstairs]

Very ominous way to start a video, but I like it nonetheless.

[@_V.Va_]

Use of Kirby Planet Robobot's OST is *_MWAH_* 🤌

[@Void-9090]

I didnt think it could get worse. But dear god, it git worse, this is utterly ridiculous! Especially these graves, did they think that was any sort of a good idea!

[@buiminh9126]

do you think that Aloe should has her healing range buffed to 3x3 instead of a cross

[@RealCommonMortal]

You can tell this game wasn't tested at all.

[@amberblank]

how come you don't do pvz gw2 content?

[@Mas_is_here]

Now I genuinely gotta wonder, did you prefer this or the international beta overall?

[@spiritblox1]

Lobbed plants targeting gravestones in lanes with zombies is just so wrong

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

I feel like the drone isn’t the main reason for these level to be hard But it’s the special zombie who has more health than garg that act like catapult with an aimbot

[@larrymantic2635]

Oh wow, this world seems like hell.

[@showd6229]

So sorry, love the undertale yellow music tho

[@adrishab9512]

I think the lawn design is cute but the level design is neglected till this day

[@idktbh1786]

Designed by pvz 1 impossible mods TM

[@JoseViktor4099]

23:47 For me, I personally im very mixed about the franchise (on official regard, overall, like almost everyone, im very happy about the mods), On PvZ3 regard, I like very much that now they are changings things for the better, but on the other side, I seriously very worried about it. My problem is that both PvZ3 were very focused on microtransactions to the point to remove basic features on previous games and were pretty much with no effort, specially on the level design and pacing regard. In order to have a decent PvZ3, they have to improve the *quality* , not only do what fans want. I don´t want a PvZ2/PvZ1 with AI generated level design, I want a genuine evolution of the formula, is this that much to ask? On PvZ2 is a completely lost cause for me. Slingshot Studios doesn´t have my approval at all, and I think they only made the game much worse, and look that I already hate the leveling system, and the powercreep overall. At least for international, the only things I see is how a new unoriginal plant with PvZ3 style and poor animations powercreeps everything else. Im trying PvZH, and im really liking him, at least on the early game. Same as you, Flag, I dont like being negative either, neither I want this franchise I started 11 years ago when I was 10 to dissapear, it has a lot of nostalgic value to me. It is just that sometimes is very hard to be positive.

[@Grand_Kaiserin_Elysium]

so even if its not made by talkweb, it has the exact same problems and good stuff as 2C, bad level design, horrid balancing, frankly broken gimicks and not really listening to people, but it also has amazing art and backgrounds also just seeing the footage for 16 made me so glad i decided not to play this beta when it was still possible

[@George-zr2zd]

I feel bad for you

[@Lissy_YT481]

🎉Yipeeee!🎉

[@quykiemgaming9984]

57:31 1 missile at c1l5 and 1 right behind the zombies

[@Venatorko767reborn]

I feel bad for you having to suffer such horrible world design just to beat the world and show it to us.

[@ATNguyen-wc1cs]

I actually gave up level 16 too flagzombie the level 12 3 start is impossible and 16 just painful that I dont want to win it but the merge mode was easy also how did you came up with level 15-2 that easy it took me 1 hour to beat it I use mistletoe nut and lychee to win it and that was painful As I use mistletoe in the last line and upgraded her to max Power and use a lucky chance of winning and I dont know how you can spam tacos on one plant I tried and nothing happen the solution for level 12-2 is the single grave can be deal with 2 puff the first line is with bamboo and the middle can be deal with mo and use lighting reed on the last line and bamboo on the line with 2 strong grave with some puff that all flagzombie

[@Lilliana1]

There is no Pacific rim 2, there is no megamind 2 and there is no Plants vs Zombies 3. There is also no snow shite love action movie

[@damie9412]

N8ce

[@JuanVarela-rt7fc]

Giga-Flag Zombie be like

[@Matt_364]

the levels are either the easiest or hardest level you’ve ever seen

[@rizkidary837]

I love it have potential to be better than PVZ3i but they keep digging downward after

[@shohruhmansurov-z2z]

Hey Flag bro . New Update of Lunar Zoo and Z Corp invades ( Lunar Zoo -Mr Lucky , Z Corp Breaking News ) .

[@shohruhmansurov-z2z]

Reflourished !

[@pedromartins6810]

Hello flag zombie

[@flagzombie]

Hi

[@pedromartins6810]

@flagzombie nice chestnut emote. Based

[@antoineschemel8564]

This world is like a bad level design episode

[@MohammedRamahi-t4w]

I complete all levels in world 3 and merege mode already

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

I'm curious on what you used on level 16 because i legit can't even get past the first few wave

[@MohammedRamahi-t4w]

Bambo shoot sun shroom tow defensive plants all level on 3 are 3 stars

[@userofgoogle440]

Why hero form sunflower singer looks like ASMR-content maker from OnlyFans or someting like that😀

[@dice_block]

Just give this game a chance FOR ONCE

[@ThyBRB]

he did, multiple times

[@Koontz_Terraria]

We can't even if we really want to the difficulty and the gameplay says "no"

[@flagzombie]

Bro you cannot be serious.

[@rizkidary837]

No, let the other people (youtuber or anyone that interest I. Pvz3 C) did it and let flag zombie to decide to continue it or nah

[@paradoxanxiety5040]

How can one give this atrocity of a game a chance when Flag Zombie gave it a chance MANY times before, only for all of those chances to be wasted Did you even watch the video, dice_block?

[@sapnasachan9491]

I am first Please please please pin me ❤❤❤❤❤