Flames & Flyers Pull Off Huge Deal Involving Two Former 1st Rounders! | Instant Analysis

Steve Dangle recaps and analyzes the huge trade that went down between the Philadelphia Flyers and Calgary Flames
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[@lorddraekan]

It's like the EANHL trade! "It's almost there! Just a bit more!" and then you throw in a 7th round pick 🤣"ACCEPTED!"

[@JJZ77]

I absolutely loved rebuilding a team in those games. Trade all your players for 1st round picks. End up with 10 - 15 first round picks 😂

[@safertobeanonymous2224]

Lol Literally the thought I had and for the game I was thinking of!!!

[@ReviewyCA]

As a Flames fan, it sucks to lose Pelts, just for the big "golden retriever" energy he seemed to be bringing to the team. Wish him all the best in Philly.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

Pelts was a hot prospect not long ago wasn't he

[@samporcellato5125]

@@Toro_Da_Corsa Ya and then he had a shoulder injury. That hindered him for a while, but he was really bringing it back lately.

[@yqmlife1757]

Yeah he was literal skating cocaine. He just gave everyone a energy boost.

[@DrRussPhd]

They are gonna hate Torts.

[@mr.watts69]

Bruh he was on waivers earlier this year

[@jeffer1101]

Looks like one of those rare "everybody wins" deals. Good to see these once in a while.

[@LizzieMcguire69]

I think it's really tough for Pelletier actually. He was passionate about playing for a Canadian team with Huberdeau. I think he's the last person that wants to go to Philly

[@justingeraghty9859]

As a flyers fan this take has been the best take I've seen on this trade. Both teams are getting what they want out of it. It wasn't working for Frost and Beezer so now hopefully they can flourish on the Flames.

[@RobbyThomas18]

Missed opportunity to say this trade is another trade tree in part of the brayden schenn deal😂. Both farabee and frost were the 2 firsts the blues traded for schenn

[@MattKendell-b2i]

This also extends the Dougie Hamilton trade tree as well.

[@AlexFehrTheLoneWolf]

And because Brayden is Luke Schenn's brother this is a Leafs adjacent move and therefore also part of the JVR for Luke Schenn trade tree 😂

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

The Dougie Hamilton trade tree will be way larger than the Schenn trade tree. There’s currently like 20 assets in play in the Hamilton trade tree.

[@grandadmiralthrawn66]

And Brayden Schenn was part of the Mike Richards trade tree. It never ends!!!

[@chadcull]

There were actually 3 Former 1st Rounders. Pelletier, Frost, and Farabee were all 1sts.

[@philmace5247]

This is the best take I have seen on this trade yet.

[@itskalebalva]

so far best analysis of this trade I've seen so far

[@Andykevin29]

That lindholm trade tree getting better

[@alexrudolph8180]

I can see the title now. "How trading lindholm led to a 2028 7th"

[@misschrysalis]

Basically Lindholm and 2nd round pick turned into a 1st, Farabee, Frost, and a high offensive D prospect

[@Christopher.Colberg]

​@@misschrysalis what 1st? Also include matvei gridin

[@HomieNathan1387]

@@Christopher.Colbergflames got a 1st in the lindholm trade to Canucks

[@VINsational331]

Which goes all the way back to the Kessel trade tree

[@jmarx3943]

I hope frost and farabee do well for Calgary. Good luck to the flames and their fans. I'm hopeful for their success. I'm not very familiar with who the flyers got, but I'm hoping they can spark something for my boys.

[@terranboot9405]

Pelts is good, I feel he was messed around being sent down to early and not given a fair shot on off games. I think this trade will work out even in the end or slight edge to flyers with the picks.

[@cgyiltis]

Pelts is like a kitten, everybody loves him. Kuz is also very liked. Between those two, they will bring the locker room together. Pelts was a top Scorer with the Wranglers AHL. He started but a shoulder injury, a lengthy recovery and then another injury after a day back, really set him back. He was starting to do well. The real pelts will show next season. Calgary had to trade him, nobody wanted to trade him but they had to. A story for later. Kuz is very very skilled but inconsistent. Maybe because the system wasn’t right for him.

[@shibbylebassist]

You'll like em both IMO. Frost is decent in the dot, can make some good plays (even if he can be too cute at times) and has a decent shot. Frost's only downside is that he's unplayable defensively. Farabee is the big piece for you guys here IMO. He's a perfect middle six guy. You can plug him in anywhere in your lineup and he will find a way to produce. During the 56 game season, he was our best forward and I hope he can get back to that with you guys.

[@ariea.devalois1564]

The Elias Lindholm deal has now led to Frost and Farabee in addition to the 4 assets the Flames still have. Canucks have zilch.

[@boo-nd8lk]

Lindholm was originally traded for Dougie Hamilton with hanifan. And the flames traded for Hamilton, massive trade tree.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

That's how rentals work slappy.

[@keithball6480]

And looks like Flyers helped themselves in the Eastern Conference because the Bruins are stuck with Lindholm long term.

[@mcnulty2798]

It was literally a rental and a cap dump.

[@banjonochallenge3120]

Say what you want about the 7th round pick. Flames got dustin Wolf in the 7th round.....

[@yqmlife1757]

Was hornqvist and Zetterberg all 7ths or something

[@Christopher.Colberg]

True but it's very very very likley that this 7th doesnt turn into a bonafide nhl player

[@banjonochallenge3120]

@@Christopher.Colberg thats why scouting is huge

[@banjonochallenge3120]

@@yqmlife1757 paval Datsyuk went 8th rpund

[@alexnoander]

Weegar was also a 7th rounder. I would argue that both Wolf and Weegar currently have higher trade value than any of the 1st rounders in this deal. Good scouting _is_ huge! Some players are at or near their peak at the draft. Most still have a lot of room to progress. There are a lot of really good players in nhl history that were later round picks, including some of the all-time greats!

[@vipeholmskolan6052]

Can't wait for the trade tree of that 7th round pick.

[@215rodsquad2]

Travis konecny is also a top 13 skater in the NHL right now so him being 5 foot 9 hasn’t mattered much

[@Donclat]

I love thorough and unbiased trade talk. Thank you for your service - it does not go unnoticed

[@sdpn]

Thanks!

[@stevekopanski9080]

Flyers fan here and I like this take. Seems like the best case scenario for all four players which is refreshing to see in sports these days. Sounds like four good players that could benefit from fresh starts vs potentially falling out w/ their current teams. Interested to see how it all shakes out but solid analysis here 👏

[@ashec.6824]

Just as a heads up since this was surprisingly quiet at the time it happened - the "something" that changed for Farabee between this season and last season was him getting the same spinal/back surgery Jack Eichel got traded to Vegas over (Edit: Disc Replacement Surgery). So uh, that's probably playing a big role in his scoring being down. Also Torts legitimately loved Farabee prior to the surgery and gave him a ton of opportunities to play back up to standard - unfortunately his body just doesn't seem to be recovered enough to do so.

[@shokmail3875]

stumbled on your site and decided to give a listen - dude, brilliant analysis!! bravo and thank you.

[@Nickklein13]

There’s a lot of people who play NHL franchise mode and say “Oh my god what a steal for the flames!” Who don’t realize Farabee was surpassed by Brink and Forester, and was a borderline 4th liner on the team. The big negative for the flyers, You trade arguably your one C who could score, and now Noah Cates is your biggest offensive threat on C.

[@jeremeegartner9900]

That Johri Lethera trade has panned out for the Blues . 🤣🤣🤣

[@delriv5238]

Really good analysis

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

Ah yeah a 2028 7th round pick lets go

[@KenHockey]

Enjoyed the trade news!!!

[@swammer13]

I think this is a clear win for the flames. Frost has played for 3 seasons as either a top end 3C or mid to low tier 2C and Farabee is probably a 2LW. Both have several years of team control. In exchange you lose an underperforming impending UFA, a second round pick, and a player in Pelletier that has shown some promise, but that ultimately was on waivers 3-4 months ago. It's a really good trade to get better now and in the future for Calgary.

[@seakid123]

Not sure how two soft guys that have proven they can’t shoot the puck and are at best 3rd liners are supposed to help a team that already cant score. Frost has played a lot of 1c and he’s just not good. Both have been healthy scratches multiple times this year. You can’t have playoff aspirations and have both of these guys playing on your second line. Flames should have just saved kept Kuzmenko and let him walk next year instead of taking on 3 years of 5 mil for Farabee and instead used that money to help get a proven player instead of somebody who has been abysmal for a full 82 games now dating back to last season.

[@ashec.6824]

Coming from a Flyers fan who wanted to give these guys ever chance to turn things around, you've gotta consider the recent context around Farabee and Frost more. I don't imagine their last few seasons have been hot topics in the Calgary hockey media landscape, so the loss of nuance is understandable (I'm sure I'm missing context on Kuzy and Pelletier too) but to give you an idea of how things are viewed here in Philly: Frost has been played as 2/3C, yes, but bear in mind that the Flyers have ZERO reliable center depth to speak of. On a team that more or less out at 2C talent, Frost was still playing in the back half of the lineup for the majority of his career. He was considered the third best of a bunch of 3C's, and hasn't shown marked improvement in anything in particular in several seasons now. There's a reason his name has been in trade rumors for the better part of the 2020's. Farabee had a TON of potential and put together some solid seasons for us - but something that Steve fails to mention is that was also before he quietly had *Jack Eichel spinal/back surgery* over this past off season. He just hasn't been the same player since then, and it's what finally forced management's hand to move him despite being seen as a key piece every since he was called up at 19. Post-back surgery he's just been visibly slower, skates like he's got weights on his back, less effective on the forecheck, and his scoring has dried up considerably. I do hope he turns it around with more recovery time, but the player the Flyers have had this year, the player the Flames are getting is VERY different from the player he was pre-back surgery.

[@chrisolivo6591]

As a Flyers fan, we just unloaded 2 underachieving players (from the previous regime), and in return we get 6+ million in salary cap space this summer. Plus a 2nd round pick. Because the Cap is going up big time next year, we should have 25 million in cap space. Now we will have to use some of it on RFA’s, but Darren Dreger reported last night that the Flyers are now in position to go after a top line max contract free agent this summer. We also have 3 first round picks and 4 second round picks in this draft. Now it’s up to Briere to execute the picks and cap room over the next 2-3 years. As for Frost and Farabee, i think they will fit well in Calgary if they aren’t asked to be top line players. They are solid players who play great sometimes, and then disappear for 10 games. They aren’t consistent 1st round picks like we had in the past (Gagne, Richards, Carter, Giroux, Konecny). They are in that next tier of player. They can be good in the right situation, but don’t expect them to be All-Stars. As a rebuilding team here in Philly, they were not the right fit for this team.

[@happymann1000]

Pelltier didn't need a fresh start. He was just finally healthy and hitting his stride. He was wanted in Calgary but was hampered by injury.

[@huntercampbell8203]

Wanted? He was on waivers 3 months ago

[@happymann1000]

@@huntercampbell8203 Yes. He spent his first 2 years injured and needed to get some playing time in the AHL. Waivers was required to do that. Noone picked him up because he was just off of 2 years of injury.

[@brianschnepp5770]

Best take I’ve heard on this trade

[@cheddarandsourcream]

It’s gonna take kuzmenko one shift to be firmly planted in Torts’ doghouse

[@coadster9988]

Remember that chair you were talking about the other day? That’s the 7th round pick

[@scorz2010]

3 former first rounders!

[@Leafsdude_]

Steve Dangle: We shouldn't make too much of these players being drafted in the first round. Also Steve Dangle: Huge deal involving two former 1st rounders!

[@VINsational331]

Time for an update to the old Phil Kessel trade tree. That thing is still going! Kessel for the pick that became Hamilton, who went to Carolina for Lindholm/Hanifin, who each got traded separately... the former of which went to Vancouver for Kuzmenko + prospects/picks and Kuzmenko now to Philly for a couple of young guys who could stretch that tree out even further

[@jacobmcgregor6391]

What an interesting season it’s been for my boys! Was all ready to be watching the lottery now MAYBE playoffs??? 🔥

[@BrianTheLeafsGuy]

I actually really like this deal for Philly. I have not liked that Farabee contract since day one. I think them unloading his contract is the biggest win of this entire deal. He is still young and can very much turn everything around though. As for Calgary, I don't love it. I personally believe that Calgary needs star and super star power. They already have enough middle of the road players. So I feel as if this is redundant. I think that 2nd round pick and the cap flexibility beyond this year was more valuable than Frost and Farabee. But I would love for them to both excel and prove me wrong.

[@Christopher.Colberg]

As a flames fan, the flames will never fully bottom out and get a top 5 pick. The ways they can hope of getting elite talent is through free agency when guys are in the late 20s which is more of a short term fix, or somehow end up on the receiving end of a deal like eichel to vegas or tkachuck to florida. Their only hope of getting top talent through the draft is somehow stealing a player in the mid to late first round who develops into an elite player or vegas blowing up and getting the flames a bottom pick in 2026 (1-6 range) which 99.9 percent wont happen. They could try to trade up at the draft but rarely do teams trade away a top 5 pick unless their socks get absolutley blown off.

[@brads2041]

Seems like a very grounded analysis

[@philm1537]

As a lifelong flyers fan I love the trade. I think it has a lot of potential to really work out for us, BUT, if it doesn’t work out performance wise we are in the same position we we were in before the trade but cleared cap space and have another draft pick in the draft. With that being said I think it will work. And there’s great potential for the flyers to get better now. Michkov and kuzmenko on the same line could be dangerous. I think our next move is to get a new coach.

[@noloatmo6682]

To the Flames fans from a Flyers fan: Morgan Frost's seasons always start two months after the official start of the season. He's always in a big slump at start, and then manage to produce later. Kind of frustrating but that's the kind of player he is.

[@nomadx2142]

Flyers keep looking so far down the road they’ll never see daylight

[@peterk5712]

Yep, feels like a win for both teams. All 4 players have potential to play a lot better. And with the exception of Kuzmenko perhaps, all will likely play many more NHL games for years to come. Glad to see the Flames doing something instead of talking about doing something😅

[@codyhertzler2387]

Frost and joel negative plus minus for life

[@tricky92x]

Soft players. No grit. Pelletier will be an upgrade to both of them.

[@bdawk511]

Farabee found himself "in the doghouse" after being on the first line for much of the season. Both Farabee and Frost got SOOO many opportunities to prove they could take the reigns and be point producers for this team and every time they couldn't produce. I hope the change of scenery works out for both guys, they seem like cool dudes with a good bit of skill but it's not like Torts just hated them and that was all. Hoping excited we got Pelletier in the deal, seems like a prototypical undersized type Flyer, could add something to this dying season.

[@Nikkerman]

If you got 2 ps4s you could play games which idk if you could do that with the ps5

[@hessian_fly_guy]

Good analysis

[@jayedwards3188]

lol @ steve....theres no way in hell this trade goes unless you give us a 7th pick draft 4 years from now LOL..that was priceless

[@davidromano1348]

Time will tell, like all trades.

[@shakersword]

Def win/win with slight edge to Cgy. Philly could of had Pelletier for free earlier this yr as He was on the waiver wire but He cleared.

[@huntercampbell8203]

Forgot to mention Pelts was on waivers this year and no one claimed him

[@mbodine804]

Both Frost and Farabee will be better just by being outside of Torts influence.

[@agent00puffball]

Here's the thing for the Flames: I think this trade both makes them better now AND in the future. Both Frost and Farabee are in the age range they're looking for, and they can help thos team for years down the line as well as right now. Losing Pelletier hurts, especially since he was really starting to come into his own lately, but you have to give to get and because he started building value it made now the time to trade him. I think Conroy did really well here.

[@BWalker9313]

I’d really like if Conny addressed the blue line going into the deadline. Bahl’s out right now, we got Rasy and Weegar but not much else after Bahl. We’ve added to the forward core but if Conny could add another solid d-man then this could truly be a sneaky good playoff team. Huberdeau Kadri Sharangovich Zary Frost Farabee Coleman Backlund Coronato Lomberg Pospisil Klapka That’s a SOLID forward group

[@Aksselss]

Maybe you all already know it, but Flyers also hired the former russia head coach Oleg Znarok, probably also to help translate and help develop the young russian players, especially Michkov

[@chrisfenn7245]

I'm sad to see Pelts go but he didn't have the best experience in Calgary. 1st season getting insulted by Sutter when didn't even know what number he was. 2nd season getting injured within the first couple of games. I wish him the best of luck in Philly

[@tonydean44]

Marcus stroman mentioned

[@damonm3]

It’s Naychess… someone tell Bednar

[@lancedyrell444]

Why so much hate for that 7th. 😂 Zetterberg and Pavelski were also 7th round picks even now in nhl are few good 7th round picks guys like Weegar,Palat,Haula, Olofson. U never know u can pick gem even in 7th

[@PepeAtreides-s3b]

Yep 7ths are good for shots at Goalies…

[@justjohnny420]

Problem is theres 32 7th round picks every year and you managed to name a half dozen spanning the past 2 decades 😶

[@philm1537]

We can’t even pick good players in the first and 2nd round in Philly.

[@Droz75]

This is a very good trade for the flames.

[@db9790]

They are alot better than domi and the leafs bottom six!

[@alexholtzman]

Great video as usual but the PS4 slander was uncalled for

[@datriaxsondor590]

Remember when Vancouver "won the Kuzmenko sweepstakes"? Ya............

[@NSD2327]

Easily the most sane take on this trade I’ve seen so far. As I flyers fan I have to say the reaction I’ve seen from flyers twitter is downright embarrassing.

[@admgrg23george67]

Lifelong Flames fan here. Kuzy and Pelts were doing nothing for CGY. Kuzy with 4 goals and a healthy scratch on multiple occasions. Happy hes gone. Pelts isnt even a full time NHLer. Its a win for both teams IMO. Great trade.

[@kolchak357]

The Flyers basically got a second rounder and a half season translator in exchange for two roster players. Kuz will walk after the season and Pelt cleared waivers earlier this season. Great return Briere, what a joke. The crap Flyers found a way to get even worse. Flames get two solid but unspectacular players. I guarantee they will produce more in the Flames system than they did under Torts. This will not make the Flyers better in the future. That little bit of cap space won’t matter when the cap goes up and every team has space.

[@ericcorcoran5665]

Is a 7th round pick part of any of the offer sheet compensation packages? That's the only reason I could see the 7th logically being a 28' 😂

[@Giventothegrave]

Solid analysis, however as a flyers fan here, you need to break frost and farabee’s stats down to half seasons. Because frost ever since being a flyer has been Invisible in the first half of the season than turns into a high end 3rd liner or ok 2nd liner second half, so even if he gets going for Calgary this season it’s not a safe bet to resign him. And farabee, well his numbers are even worse if you look at his last 82 games, because he put up the majority of his points last year in the first half, so he’s been bad for even longer.

[@rodchallis8031]

A good trade for both teams, except that 7th rounder. Woulda been a deal breaker for me.

[@jasonjansen9831]

I didn't even know the draft had 7 rounds

[@BandOfTheHawk2]

Puljujarvi not working out wasn't cause of a language barrier, it was cause he was uncoachable and unwilling to change his game to match his skill set. He wants to play the game like Laine, but lacks the hands and shot consistency to do that, the player he was meant to be is a grinding forechecking winger with a nose for the net.

[@straightcashhomey1261]

Look at Farabees number since Christmas of 2023. He’s been awful since then. Frost is god awful. They will help you make the playoffs at best, then you can pick 18th instead of the lottery. Briere got a 2nd as an asset and freed up 8 million bucks this summer. Wouldn’t be surprised if Briere trades for Cozens at the draft. In short: Frost and Farabee stink

[@markbader4942]

You're 90%, everything except Pelletier was never going to work out in Calgary. I feel like he's nowhere near his ceiling, and he's going to find it wherever he is, but it was probably a bit higher in Calgary where his size and physicality wasn't as much an issue. You said it yourself Tortorella likes 'em big and feisty.

[@gabrielrockman]

When a coach puts players in his doghouse far too easily, it's so hard for the GM to get fair value for them. I think Calgary won this trade. If Kuzmenko gets put on Michkov's line, he's the biggest winner. But Farabee and Frost should also win just by getting away from Tortorella. I don't think Pelletier is better off or worse off. The second round pick is a slight loser in this trade, but if Tortorella is out of Philly by the time the second round pick is ready for the NHL, it's not too bad for him. Still probably better to be on Calgary though.

[@j189512]

Other than the top of the first round, the rest of the draft is a crapshoot, you've had 1st overalls bust badly, you've 5th or later rounders become absolute studs so the more picks you have is like the more pulls at a slot machine

[@mr.watts69]

Three former first rounders*****

[@ramprat5812]

I’ve watched everything Pelletier has done in the NHL and he seems like an awesome guy who’s teammates absolutely love him but I have very strong doubts he gets another nhl contract or has any future in this league

[@landon4351]

Its not easy to make a good trade You just have to want to do it In the case of the leafs they are not creative, nor are they prepared to have any balls

[@cyoung28]

I love you Steve

[@stevenightfall6634]

Hey Dangle, I'll take those two PS4s now...

[@bristlethistle7456]

Knowing how Kuzmenko played under Tocchet, he's screwed. I miss him on Vancouver

[@dylanhoward4978]

It's a little funny that Philly gets the oldest player in the trade AND the youngest player. Seems good for both teams though.

[@Mtron923]

The Flyers going Rusky 😂Wowsers

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

Actually... I like the PS4 ;) Both these players (Farabee & Frost) are outplaying their draft positions.

[@jjjfo1818]

THIS is a rebuilding trade, flyers shed cap and get 2 picks, get Kuzy for 6 months and a 23 yr old who might pan out

[@dynastysportsempire]

Would like the Bruins to acquire someone who speaks English to translate all the things Coaches are saying...

[@ryanjavaheri5465]

3 first rounders, either this is top tier engagement or this hockey account doesn't know what its talking about

[@randywhitehead1829]

You could have picked up Pelletier for nothing in September

[@matthewgaylen2827]

Ryan lomberg!

[@patrickthemango756]

Conroy doesn't miss

[@tysonwarkentin8191]

I don't understand the move from the Flyers. Michkov is having problems with Tortorella. Farabee was in Tort's doghouse. Morgan Frost fell out of favour. So let's trade this young 20 goal scorer, former top 15 pick and young middle 6 centre for an older player having a worse year than either of them (and has an expiring contract) and a soon to be 24 year old who can't crack the NHL full time. Maybe the simpler move was fire Tortorella.....

[@mytubebookflickr]

Ok the one thing that. I think is going over everyone's head. That woke the Flyers to shake things up. Last night's 3-0 loss to the NY Islanders!

[@anpc86]

I heard you Steve on the podcast, just call it trade retrospective or whatever or go over it with former GM or do it with someone else and bring something like the Trade *ree

[@akwz2448]

I think you need to get closer to the camera

[@tricky92x]

Both Frost and Farabee are soft as Charmin.

[@Nordberg1]

Flames got garbage from the flyers. Good luck with farabee’s cap hit for the next 3 years

[@admgrg23george67]

Flames have over $17,000,000 in cap space currently with the cap projected to go up a ton. The Flames wont have cap issues at all.

[@ryanbowlby859]

flyers are trying to rebuild on the fly. How often does that work?

[@ilai7893]

We'll see? The guys they got recently (Frost, Farabee, Drysdale) all still have some upside

[@Memories18]

@@ilai7893 Uhh... Frost and Farabee was traded from Flyers to the Flames, with Kuzmenko and Pelletier coming back? Did I miss a 2nd trade that sends Frost and Farabee back?

[@belligerent-irony]

I think i have no idea whats going on and im gonna trust conroy.

[@UnleashthePhury]

Who would be upset getting two PS4s for free?

[@TheOnlyWabagoon]

Play in a place where you are wanted is an absurd take. Flames fans love the kid. Do some research?

[@MrDankstar]

Fire Torts

[@guidovalenti4986]

Frost is a fearful player but not Farabee a warrior with Little bit SKILL not a great skater

[@JohnShields-xx1yk]

I think it's a trade for trades sake, not tort favorites, I think philly did better, unless those two guys start scoring for the flames, I doubt it

[@dalesimpson5343]

New Calgary GM has to improve the team as former GM now of the leafs screwed Calgary and now doing the same to leafs. Why the hell did the leafs sign him just like Savard he has screwed the PP

[@red3here]

How’s he screwing the leafs? lol.