Wisconsin - Did They Even Test This Thing?

[@Flamuu]

Besides the bullshit ending thanks to the superfun class, whisky just seems like such a demented addition. Do they even have a testing process for new ships anymore? Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/

[@mq5190]

They do.

[@Lupus_Indomitus]

Actually looking forward to joining the test program soon.

[@mikko5813]

I am relatively new to this game, but so far, it seems that as WG is introducing new ships for the game, they are giving some extra unannounced buffs to them as well. Every time I have had some new ship in the game, it seems at the beginning, "Ooh, this is good..." and then when it comes to the normal progress line, it suddenly doesn't feel any more special. I think that's one way to get people to put money into it, and then when there are enough of these ships in the game, balancing it back to normal. I did try to ask them straight up, and the answer was not denying it but rather saying they don't reveal the shooting mechanics behind the game. As they have these attributes in game anyway this is pretty simple to manage.

[@jaywerner8415]

I mean, its dented enough that even Yoro made a video about it. That says alot with very little.

[@mikko5813]

@@jaywerner8415 I could not find it. Can you link it here? Thanks.

[@richieThach]

"Wargaming, this is the 200th time you've shown a high-speed, low-concealment, super-accurate cruiser-killing battleship in class."

[@aristosachaion_]

Iowa is all of these things when played right. Whisky is only OP because of what the gimmick does for her dpm and tankiness.

[@robbie9723]

@@aristosachaion_wrong, Wisconsin also has disgusting improved accuracy

[@aristosachaion_]

That's not that big of an issue because Wisconsin doesn't overmatch much at tier 10, if at all. Slava's accuracy is disgusting, but no one ever talks about it much anymore because once you angle to one, it can't do anything to you. What makes Wisconsin feel better with its accurate volleys than a Slava is the improved pen and shell velocity at range, which is better than Montana's, for some reason. Literally the only thing stopping Wisconsin from being completely idiot-proof is it being an Iowa-class.

[@robbie9723]

@@aristosachaion_ yea and the plunging shell arcs of Wisconsin actually make the guns more reliable against angled targets at range, unlike Slava

[@pehpunkthahpunkt4179]

meanwhile the other whisky on flolos team (who blamed his team at 7:19 after death): - started the game (probably) on I2 (0:00) - drove to G1 (so that was his gameplan for this battle-for-central-control-mode) (1:27) - saw an enemy whisky and a thunderer in front so he turned full broadside to them on G1 (not dark, he lost HP) (1:37) - kited down the 1 line to I1 (together with the ohio side by side; no crossfire at all; though that is more ohios fault) (4:14) - drove back to I3 (props for not completly going to the J line like ohio, i guess??) (5:35) - then pushed alone into 3 enemys and died (thunderer, mecklenburg, cataluna) (7:04) - immediatly types in chat and blames other. (7:17) its so depressing that those peoply dont even understand how useless and bad they are. in a perfect world that movement path would be highlighted in red after battle to him with a big fat text telling him he was making bad decisions and should try better next time. he hadnt had more impact than a decoy! yet he feels so good and betrayed by the fault of his team... i hate it. i really really hate it.

[@pepega1924]

Watching Wisconsin dispersion and then pleying Jean Bart really hurts my soul

[@Dorkrust]

What's worse is watching Wisconsin dispersion then playing any CA and try to remember why you mained a class with all those disadvantages to now have BB that do it better.

[@aristosachaion_]

Playing with Wisconsin dispersion and then going back to Iowa hurts my soul

[@tunnar79]

WG doesn't "waste money" on QA

[@poprosturobert6874]

if they ever nerf this ship I hope they leave the accuracy unchanged

[@ghostdog8012]

cruisers are obsolete now

[@Omnomface]

This is the Conquerer all over again. Except even worse.

[@anubhavdassarma7230]

despite being demented it doesn't really feel that overpowered So much goddamn power boosts to T10s with superships on top, that these gimmicks are the stuff keeping it strong Miss the vanilla-ness of Montana.

[@S28426]

Ah, yes comrade you see when you pen the ship lengthways that's actually an overpen.

[@EMKA__]

"Cries in Japanese dispersion"

[@Lupus_Indomitus]

Not to bad with leg mod 😅. But yeah, i understand you.

[@Dorkrust]

You don't understand the playerbase, and the playerbase doesn't understand the game, classic memery right there.

[@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass]

Historically accurate Iowa Class, Minus the Radar, Plus the Ultra Reload BS! :3

[@Lupus_Indomitus]

True. Fastest bbs ever build, extremly precise, and some of the best damage control teams in the navy at the time.

[@alexander3364]

This ship have very high skill requirement man. In a good player it's fucking terrifying, in a potato it's just a Iowa up tier, I guess they did test it and consider the whole player base is full of potato they just like eih what can they do with this kind of dispersion?

[@IaSaVedem]

exactcly, whenever i play vermont, this winsconsin doesnt make any diffrence :d

[@alexander3364]

@@IaSaVedem The ship ballanced itself because the average playerbase is not that good, still in competitive people will still bring this all the time.

[@IaSaVedem]

@@alexander3364 70% of the player base is potato like me so yes.

[@Snagabott]

The devs don't play their game, so when they tried Wisconsin they probably missed most shots - and decided it needed a funny button to stay competitive.

[@raideurng2508]

12:55 *Muffled torpedobeats in the distance*

[@yoviliobenedic7870]

Tunnel vision at its finest.

[@nightshadedawn]

Okay now when are we going to get the New Jersey with her speed boost?

[@vipinnair1991]

Wisconsin is good in the hands of good players but in the hands of average potato it's average. It's not OP a lot of ships are like that. Most of the complaints I've seen are around slow shells and low shell volume. Both of which are bad for the average potato.

[@forge16hanadamaintenancedr43]

There just hasn't been that many OP ships since Smolensk. The main difference is that Wisconsin exploits expecially hard on the enemy making a mistake, while many strong cruisers exploit on the player playing better and being responsive to the battlefield. (like colbert, Anna, Conde, etc.) This makes the latter especially painful to play against because of the lack of counterplay - what you do doesn't matter, they are going to get the damage they want as long as they don't make mistakes. This makes them feel more OP than they actually are.

[@milionST]

"There jist hasn't been many OP ships since Smolensk..." goes an lists all the OP ships that got added after Smolensk. Bro, stop smoking whatever you are smoking.

[@thecivilizedshark4283]

Idk if this is a stupid question but which ship is better Zao or Yodo? i have Zao and really liked it even though it feels like a weak ship. I now want to play something with a faster reload and higher dpm and rn I’m between Jinan and Yodo.

[@Bresonande]

Honestly, I'd recommend you to just stick with Zao. Yodo's firepower output, especially with that barrel volume, may appear phenomenal at first glance. On paper, eighteen 150mm guns fed with the vaunted Japanese cruiser HE (deals greater individual damage than other nations' HE shells) should give you a damage per minute capacity reminiscent of T8's Mogami equipped with 155s, but adapted for same-tier matchups, of course. You would expect to be the fire-spamming nightmare of battleships (or any type of ship you face in artillery combat, for that matter). But you're not. Yodo's 150mm guns struggle to penetrate the extremity, deck and/or upper belt platings of your main sources of racking damage from (battleships), even with the help of IFHE. Neither do they have the relatively rapid reload of Mogami's 155s (the rate of fire on Yodo's 150s are absolutely terrible for their caliber class) to enable you to produce a continuous barrage for consistent damage on targets within range, nor the destroyer-level tightness in shell dispersion that her heavy cruiser cousins possess (from mid to max range, about half of the total shells you fire in a volley everytime simply drop everywhere but the intended target). The rotation speed on her guns is nothing short of superb, though. Her ability to keep her turrets pointed towards her target at all times, even whilst performing aggressively sharp turns is a key part of her flexbility as a long-range kiting cruiser. If only her hull wasn't like 20% larger than Zao's, she would've been a pretty annoying ship to try and hit at long distances as well - Yodo's basically a heavy cruiser-sized ship, but without the survivability (armor) and heavy-hitting gunpower (penetration) to show for it. So do yourself a favor and not waste your time grinding what is possibly one of the most mediocre cruiser lines released in recent times, unless you really have to for some reason.

[@Bresonande]

The Jinan line is not as bad as the Yodo one, but it's also not that great. On one hand, you got amazing deepwater torpedoes which allow you to exact near-unavoidable and extremely devastating punishments against unwary cruisers and battleships (provided you aimed your torp salvoes well), you have smoke cover, as well as rapid-firing light-caliber guns for chipping away at nearby enemies and causing fires. You're also very nimble and is a small target to shoot at. On the other, you have virtually nonexistent armor, coupled with a very small health pool. Any battleship or cruiser you face with gun calibers larger than Scharnhorst's 283mm (which practically doesn't exist at Jinan's tier, except for the two that use actual cruiser guns, Illinois and New Hampshire) would easily slice through your 16mm fore and aft plates to deal citadel damage that could potentially slash your full health pool in half.

[@theShermanator]

That dispersion tho

[@hapexamendar1093]

It has just been a great ship! But I'm an average player.... tells you all you need to know.

[@alex_b102]

The real question is more like, "did WG themselves test the car as well besides the STs and such".. Oh well they don't play their game unlucky.

[@le_potate3861]

Dude, the amount of people I've seen going "but bro it's just an Iowa" is just as demented as this ship.

[@aristosachaion_]

Iowa's hull is trash in the year of our lord 2024, so it's not entirely false. That hull is the only thing keeping the ship from becoming completely idiot-proof

[@le_potate3861]

@@aristosachaion_ What's wrong with the hull? Just because you can get smashed if you give broadside? Git better

[@Axel23410]

@@aristosachaion_ Iowa is still a very solid ship in 2024, what are you on?

[@keunminkenlee1940]

how do you get spotted torpedoes to appear on the minimap?

[@the_rainbow_one]

In this essay we ask: Is the funny button really THAT funny?

[@gattonero2915]

3:22 Certified Elbingbong behavior

[@mediandev]

He is locked in.

[@christianjanker9007]

Does the Funny Button work with Secondaries?

[@GrasshopperKelly]

She was meant to have a choice between Engine boost and DefAA xD

[@sillysailor5932]

When did they buff atlantico? Played it at weekend secondary range is up to 11.5. Same as concealment

[@Axel23410]

Iirc it's getting a buff because of the addition of Pan american BBs. The same way Le terrible was buffed when the Kleber line was released.

[@spider_4016]

I love how wargaming thought this ship is balanced but slava need to be nerfed

[@SgtSteel1]

Did they even test this thing? hmm... are you saying it's OP or crap?

[@godlynewbie]

i got a good laugh seeing the super test application announcement on the launcher. I got into super test for wot's a bit before super pershing entered st. they gave it to us then removed it and ghosted our group. biggest waste of time. this thing being broken as it is, yea they'll balance it in a patch or 2

[@johnvdk9936]

Even with this ship, the match making can make your life miserable. As a BB main with >58% winrate in Random BB's I have a winrate in this ship of 30% over 20 battles😢. But the ship is fantastic...

[@dodgedaytona7435]

Try the siegfried in these modes she is great fun.

[@DrSid42]

How is the CV spotted at 15:40 ? WTF ?

[@jasper5878]

Not going to lie, the majority of your pain could have been avoided by just moving your ship. Damage farming in arms race is not ideal.

[@kuhluhOG]

You think they test things instead of taking the cheaper Microsoft approach of letting the users do the testing?

[@Goldleader469]

literally the most overpowered battleship in years and people claim its okay because it was practically free. it's absurdly broken and people saying otherwise either ignorant or asinine.

[@poprosturobert6874]

A lot of people bought this ship, so a lot of them are not very good players, plus some of them don't want them to nerf something they have. And of course "it's a tier higher iowa so it must have something extra"

[@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672]

this thing gets eaten up by dpm focused montys and kremlins it might be a tad bit unbalanced but it still has counters like brawling bbs

[@Goldleader469]

@@therepublic21 brother i've been saying it was overpowered as soon as it was released you're a moron if you think anyone who criticizes wargaming development only does because of flamuu

[@warsh1p234]

“Absurdly broken” lol

[@Goldleader469]

@@warsh1p234 i get it you require overpowered ships to perform well, i don't.

[@reftouswarships6731]

The answer is no they had peeps play it but as far as feed back wg doesn't listen to that stuff so again id go with no

[@Sjoerdwm1981]

This ship is serving me (and others i talked to) wayyyyyy worse then montana, i can't get it to work (unstable ping also)...its incredible team depending if you do well or not.

[@AllieRogers-mq1kf]

from my prospective I am glad they made a Tier 10 Iowa class. I never play my Iowa. I would rather play Monty or another tier ten. But now they gave the Iowa class a chance to shine through the Wisconsin.

[@GarretTheGussy]

Iowa has better staying potential with its better heal.

[@-tr0n]

No such thing as cruisers anymore

[@fahmimike4999]

when i see my team have wisconsin thts the moment i know i'm plying a losing game. out of 50 game that have wisconsin in my team safe to say only 5 game that have wisconsin player having over 50%wr!

[@reybuls6882]

omg ship deals big damage with ap on broad ships .... what a clown ...

[@CoL_Drake]

balanced by skill :)

[@rizkisoekartono454]

Man I love Wisconsin, I'm average player with 50% wr and this thing broke my own record only in first game with 300k damage.

[@totallylegit4092]

It’s funny that you cant figure out this player base. So let me try to explain. It’s a free to play arcade game. The game is filled with people who do not take it seriously, do not actively work to improve and do not care the way you do. For instance I play on an ancient 15 inch laptop half the time because I am traveling for work. I work between 80-100 hours a week so when I actually manage to play it’s just to unwind my brain. Hell half the time I am talking to someone while playing. And yes I do suck at this game very much and that’s fine. I decided to focus the majority of my energy on something other than an f2p arcade game with predatory monetisation. And I am certain the majority of the people who frustrate you so much have also decided to focus their energy on getting better at other things than an f2p arcade game. So chill out…not everyone plays video games for a living and getting good at a f2p arcade game just isn’t that high on our priority list. Hope this helps.

[@MelodusDethicus]

He undoubtedly knows that. It's still not an excuse for people to be playing like idiots at the highest tier where one would think there'd be at least some degree of competence.

[@totallylegit4092]

@@MelodusDethicus not taking it seriously is not an excuse for not being good. It’s the reason…difference between the two. The excuse is that there is more important stuff than a stupid f2p arcade game in most people’s lives. And if you don’t need any competence to reach top tier. You can literally get there by never winning a game or even by never hitting any ship. Stop expecting orher people to think the way you do. Your life will become easier once you realise people are different.

[@MelodusDethicus]

@@totallylegit4092Casuals being casuals is a given. There are no excuses. The game is not hard, people are just dumber than shit and their performance negatively affects everyone else in the match.

[@totallylegit4092]

@@MelodusDethicus bro…you still have a lot to learn about life. But you wont understand. Just keep being mad about people not being good enough for your liking in a irrelevant arcade game. 🤣

[@creedviking1340]

Today 2258 basis experience in the losing team with the Wisconsin.

[@keenanmcbreen7073]

set my personal damage record in this thing within the first 10 games, get that F key rollin and things get lit.

[@mariodrv]

Glad I don't play this shit anymore.

[@K3NT97]

Shit like and this and how bad Ranked has become has finished this game for me. Need to stop allowing low tier ranked ship gameplay for the initial phase.

[@klondikebar1640]

That Elbing was probably PQ lmao

[@ChristopherSloane]

This is a typical wargaming tactic they make a new ship give it some awesome perks make people spend a bunch of money on it and then turn around 3 to 6 months later and say they have to Nerf it because the community is upset about it so you just wasted all your money on a digital ship the day pretty much fuk into Oblivion

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

It's good players knowing how to use it. Try not to get it nerfed by complaining constantly.

[@jackz166]

cv still outplays you; thats why ppl shouldn't spend money on this game. Nope, zero

[@nissan300ztt]

I see this game is still fucking trash!

[@dassa-oz5rf]

first like

[@hagostaeldmann]

This playerbase...and even a large portion of CCs, think Wisconsin is a marginally improved Iowa, and worse than Montana.

[@aristosachaion_]

"Marginally improved" is such an understatement

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

@@aristosachaion_ Because the majority of the playerbase can't take advantage of the accuracy, and can't fill the F key, let alone utilize it effectively. In the hands of a competent player, Wisconsin's power increases tenfold.

[@chesterwilson654]

You played that game very poorly

[@damaddog8065]

Stop complaining about the crazy players, its public match making. Those that lick lead paint chips off of windows are on both teams at all times.