Flat Earther claims WW2 navigation proves Flat Earth

[@DaveMcKeegan]

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[@Platypus_Warrior]

On the 1st of April, I wish you do a video proving earth is flat. (don't kill all the game yet)

[@skateboardingjesus4006]

Poor Taboo repeatedly gets corrected about the things he consistently keeps messing up, but on this occasion you've handed him his arse in a million pieces. He'll probably get his kinickers in a twist if he sees this video.

[@evilarhan1]

Hey, Dave! There's a couple of instances of what sounds like you saying "diffract" where, from context, I feel you had meant to say "refract", around the 3:45 mark. Am I misunderstanding something? Specifically, I can't understand the difference in media density aspect.

[@raya.p.l5919]

Jesus power proof❤. Starting Most sheep are weak minded.lead by their following. Like believe in adventures beyond lower orbit.

[@WL69420]

I’ve been using brilliant by making new fake email accounts and getting premium for free.

[@kenbrown2808]

we don't debunk lies to convince the liar, we debunk lies to educate other people that the lies aren't going unchallenged.

[@CorePathway]

Yo, go to Kansas and tell me the earth ain’t flat 😂😂😂

[@noahtekulve2684]

I like this a lot. Also, Kansas is very flat. The Earth is just orders of magnitude bigger!

[@tysondog843]

@@CorePathway It doesn't matter where you go on the Globe, it still is.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@CorePathwayI've been to kansas. you can't see Kansas city from Garden city.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@CorePathway Kansas is an excellent place to confirm land surface curvature of 1 arc degree per 111 km. Great Lakes are an excellent place to confirm waterbody surface curvature.

[@OldBaldDad]

If the Earth were flat, you could stand on a tall mountain with an inexpensive VHF transceiver and talk to people all over the planet. Yet, even satellites in low Earth orbits can't accomplish that. The simple fact that VHF signals are limited in range on Earth is proof that the Earth isn't flat.

[@chichechich99]

Obviously its the globalists that jam vhf transmissions after a certain point.... /s

[@scraverX]

You can, however get up on that hill at the right time, with the right prevailing climatic conditions and get your signal to "bend" as it were.

[@huntjl88]

@@scraverX The SKIP aka DX. Allows people to talk to people hundreds of miles away. I live in Georgia and we used to talk to people in Colorado and farther away.

[@brag0001]

​@@scraverX only at very few select frequencies ...

[@andrehansen585]

Hahaha! Spinning meteor theory incl gravity theory😂

[@Kualinar]

Taboo Conspiracy cherry picking and quote mining ? Who would have imagined such a thing ? Apart from everyone.

[@celticv]

na cherry picking that never happens :D

[@privateinformation2960]

the funny thing is all the other things the 'scientifically literate' and 'educated' that people dont use the same critical thought on and end up doing what tv told them to do. flerfs arent the only people who believe dumb shit and everyone uses the same logic and thought patterns flerfs do when the story suits their purpose. Man made global warming renamed as climate change (which are two very different things, one is real, has been measured for centuries and has nothing to do with people, the other is fake has literally zero evidence supporting it and earns people shitloads of money. guess which one is which) is a great example. you can support it all you like. you can 'understand all the science' you like, it doesnt make it real. Reality is that which when you cease to believe in it, does not cease to exist.

[@jdhorror]

My son is in grade 5 and had to pick a topic to do a report on. He picked WW2 solely because my grandparents fled the Netherlands in 44 when my dad was a baby. My boy did his presentation for me, and I learned sooooo much from him. Now he's fascinated by it and also teaching himself Dutch. He's more fluent than me now. Smart little bastard! Lol. Sorry, I had to brag about my son, I love his little brain so much! lol.

[@chrismaverick9828]

This is the kind of child that will make a mark in the world. Keep up the good work supporting his curiosity.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

Amazing! What a great kid! We can learn so much from what they themselves learn!

[@fomori2]

It is fine to add a brain to a flat earth discussion since they were completely lacking before that.

[@jdhorror]

@@ginnyjollykidd Tell me about it! Lol we live in the information age, I didn't have the collective knowledge of the world at my fingertips growing up in the 90s. Both my kids teach me something new every day. My 7yo daughter is crazy about outer space, she's always telling cool stuff about the universe. The next generation is gonna completely change this world in amazing ways.

[@jdhorror]

@@chrismaverick9828 I really appreciate that! Both my kids are the most important thing in my life, and I got their backs on anything they're curious about.

[@Hscaper]

I don’t understand how it works, therefore earth flat

[@outsider5578]

I don't undetstand how it works either, but my default position is to believe those that do in the absence of rigorous evidence to the contrary.

[@garethm54]

Correct. It's a logical fallacy known as "argument from ignorance".

[@bluewinds10]

That applies to religion as well

[@realtsarbomba]

How dare you, "NUH-UH" is the most compelling proof of flerf, *EVER!* Better for us to just admit that globe is destroyed... they got us.

[@KeithCooney36]

​@@garethm54 a.k.a "Personal Incredulity fallacy"

[@ExistenceUniversity]

Ah yes the War that brought us intercontinental missiles, the atom bomb, fighter jets, space rockets, and GPS proves a flat earth. Excited to "learn" how lol

[@setaindustries]

Yeah GPS especially proves how the Earth is flat, good job on that one

[@ExistenceUniversity]

@@setaindustries Double check the OP message...

[@duo496]

@@setaindustries woosh

[@flynnoldman3542]

The war was faked just so they could introduce that stuff to the common people. They're technology is far beyond what they tell the public so they need events like that once in a while so they can make room for the better tech.

[@rakninja]

@@ExistenceUniversityyou missed the final comma, which can cause someone to read it wrong. not trying to GN you, just trying to explain how the other user misread. should be "... GPS, proves ..."

[@S14N9LS]

Man, hiding the flat earth has got to be the biggest pain in the ass in history. I mean, it's either that or the earth isn't flat...but we all know that's not true.

[@InertiaCreeps]

NUH-UH! The only reason EVERY SINGLE GUBMENT ON EARTH would spend quintillions of dollars is to hide the secret of the Flat Earth and the Ice Wall! My proof is that I don’t understand science so NUH-UH!

[@Czeckie]

ww2 was a ploy to distract people from the fact earth is flat

[@Bnio]

I mean just think, one slip-up over the thousands of years of diligently hiding that dang truth of flat Earth, and the whole game is up. Must be exhausting. And yet, and this channel has shown, they still insist on producing literally thousands of photos a day from "the ISS" and "satellites" in "space" that need to be faked and manipulated, not to mention a half-dozen extra moon landing missions even after the first one was pulled off.

[@Lord_Volkner]

The crazy part is the fact that a ridiculous percentage of the population would have to be in on it. Like 90% trying to dupe the remaining 10% ... ... but to what purpose? No one knows. Every time I ask a flerf the purpose of the conspiracy, the only answer I get is "shut up, you stupid $#@%"

[@iamnotafan]

How can you hide sea level? Have you ever seen water at rest? Can you stick water to a spinning object? 🤣 the globe is a secret, no one can find it.

[@MLennholm]

I like how the British leadership was so committed to the lie that they chose to ignore a massive advantage that their opponent had... in a war where they were literally fighting for their survival

[@artvandelay7182]

The only way I could see flat earthers reconciling this is if they claim that the entire WW2 was faked. And it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they did.

[@lavarsch]

@@artvandelay7182 well, there are people like that. Often similar to people who think the Holocaust never happened

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@artvandelay7182 Matt Boylan aka 'Math Powerland' (cringe)

[@AECRADIO1]

Not to mention they created the first cavity magnetron for designing high power microwave transmitters!

[@DolgorsurenDagvadorj]

WWII didn't happen. It's all Mandela effected!!11 Also Australia doesn't exist. (Though I admit I have never left my home town.)

[@Wizzar_sillymus]

You know why AWACS flyies on high altitudes? Because Earth curvature limits range, if higher you are the higher range of a radar is

[@JMartJr]

Similarly, lighthouses are tall, ships have their lookout up in a "crow's nest' and the observation deck on a skyscraper is not placed on the ground floor.

[@gowdsake7103]

And conversly the higher up you fly the further away you can be detected from the ground

[@joerichardson4325]

That's why they were also referred to as the "Eye In The Sky" as I remember from my US Navy aviation days aboard the Nimitz and then the T Roosevelt!

[@Jan_Strzelecki]

Dave brought up the same point in one of his previous videos.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@JMartJr and ships radar equipment is mounted high up... and why the chain home UK radar of the early 1940s was mouthed at the top of frickin tall masts easily visible across the Strait of Dover. Why show the Germans your secret weapon if you could mount in on the roof of a house? Flat Earthers are just... stupid.

[@handyandy4x4]

As a ham radio operator , I was taught with vhf that the signal travels 15% beyond sight on a omni antenna but a beam can push all the transmitter signal far more than that . Another thing with HF communication is, an operator can hear there own signal a few seconds later as it path bounces around the globe , also known (long path ) . With communication to stations like Australia (VK call sign) point a beam towards from uk to Australia over north east and south west and contact is possible both ways only possible on a globe not a pancake.

[@PeteC62]

Yes, those signals are only a little bit above the 10m band, so depending on where they were in the sunspot cycle, the MUF could easily have been that high.

[@nazalostizsrbije]

Wouldnt signal be heard basically instantly because signals travell at speed of light?

[@anondimwit]

@@nazalostizsrbije the speed of light isnt instant it still takes time

[@nazalostizsrbije]

@@anondimwit yes but not few seconds

[@anondimwit]

@@nazalostizsrbije The delay you experience when using HF (High Frequency) radio, such as when you hear yourself with a delay, is due to several factors: Signal Propagation Delay: HF radio signals can travel long distances, including around the world, due to their ability to bounce off the ionosphere. This can introduce significant delays, especially when the signal has to travel a long distance to reach a repeater or when it bounces back to the receiver 5. Refraction and Absorption: HF signals can be affected by the Earth's atmosphere, which can cause refraction and absorption. These effects can introduce delays in the signal's propagation. The delay can vary, but it can be in the range of milliseconds due to these atmospheric conditions 5. Echo and Reverb: HF radio can sometimes experience long delayed echoes, where the signal bounces back at the receiver or even travels around the world and back. This can significantly increase the perceived delay 5. Repeater Lag: Many HF radio systems use repeaters to extend the range of the signal. The delay introduced by a repeater can vary, but it's often in the range of milliseconds. This delay is due to the time it takes for the repeater to process the incoming signal and then retransmit it 5. Processing and Transmission Delays: The delay could also be introduced by the radio equipment itself. This includes the time it takes for the radio to process the signal, the time it takes for the signal to be transmitted from the microphone to the transmitter, and the time it takes for the signal to be processed at the receiver before it is played back 5. In summary, the delay you experience when using HF radio is a combination of signal propagation, atmospheric effects, echo, repeater lag, and processing delays. These factors can introduce noticeable delays in real-world applications, even when the theoretical time for a radio wave to travel around the Earth is very short.

[@davidanderson4091]

He's not just being disingenuous, he is being straight up dishonest!

[@Jan_Strzelecki]

Gotta lie to flerf.

[@marauderdz]

Disingenuity is a type of dishonesty. He was disingenuous by pretending to be arguing in good faith.

[@davidanderson4091]

@@marauderdzOf course, but accusing someone of being disingenuous grants them, an admittedly small amount, of benefit of the doubt. But this flerfer was straight up lying

[@marauderdz]

@@davidanderson4091 "Disingenuous" straight up implies intent to deceive. If he left out the contradictory information by accident, that would not be considered "disingenuous".

[@davidanderson4091]

If you want to play pedantic nitpicking ass with me, then lets get really pedantic shall we. I now bring to you attention the definition of "disingenuous" as stated in the Oxford English dictionary. Disingenuous: _not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does._ Now I bring to your attention the definition of "dishonest", also as stated in the Oxford English dictionary. Dishonest: _behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, or insincere way._ You see, _"disingenuous"_ has a specific context which doesn't really apply here. We're not talking about a person who knows the truth and is pretending he doesn't, we're talking about a person who is, by cherry picking parts of a video, is dishonestly misrepresenting what that video actually says. Now can we get past all this unnecessary pedantry, and just agree that Taboo is a lying prick!

[@RobinTFH]

My father was in the RAF during WW2, and worked on radar systems! He described to me the twin-beam system, including the dots ad dashes resolving into a continuous note, both for landing aircraft and for bombing guidance. He explained, just as you have, about how it could enable navigation while out of line of sight due to the Earth's curvature. His work on radar was designed to enable onboard accurate altitude readings, but he was clearly aware of all navigation issues at the time. Thankyou for an excellent, and personally relevant, video.

[@lilmike2710]

The RAF were the best fighter pilots, and fighter command that the world had ever seen. The army that caused the end of the 3rd Reich might be debated these days, but the RAF are the undisputed soldiers that stopped England from being invaded. And as far as the other topic is concerned, I would argue that the code breakers at Bletchley Park had quite a lot to do with Germany being defeated. 😉

[@robmclaughjr]

When I was a naval midshipman, we took courses in celestial navigation. We watched movies made during WW2. I can assure you they were very aware of the curvature of the earth and accounted for this in all navigational technologies.

[@Mega-G-Star]

Did you ever use a sextant?

[@PeteOtton]

Wasn't that the whole point of figuring out longitude? So you would have some ideal where you were in relation to reefs offshore?

[@timolynch149]

Not the first time I see flerfs promoting nazis as some sort of champions of "truth" or people with special knowledge. Dubay is also a big fan. To me as a native German this is disgusting not to mention that Knickebein has nothing to do with the earth being flat.

[@tristanridley1601]

Honestly for many of the stupider people here in North America, Nazis are the only concept of Germans they have. So, all the typical stereotypes (based on some reality) of Germans as efficient, timely, good at engineering, etc are switched to Nazis. It's something I noticed living here since my mom and her family are all German.

[@indetigersscifireview4360]

More importantly is the K silent in Knickbein? I'm thinking yes but I am not German.

[@AECRADIO1]

Think 'Kaleb', and you have your answer.

[@andyh3065]

It’s not surprising I guess (unfortunately) when you look at the connections a majority of FLERFs have to other conspiracies and the political ideology that most, particularly the American ones, also support.

[@timolynch149]

@@indetigersscifireview4360 No, the K isn't silent

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Back then they didn't even have colors. You really think they had a technology to make a spherical world?

[@martinshillitoe4735]

Your comment literally makes no sense on multiple levels

[@muggsylauer2683]

The fuck?

[@tysondog843]

Yes, with trained seagulls, mud and the Tesseract...

[@mehallica666]

???

[@DoctorShocktor]

It’s a joke about black and white film, people. Old and tired, but a joke.

[@madddd1]

I hate when the story that celebrates human ingenuity to work around the obstacles being used as an "evidence" in a conspiracy theory.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

To be fair its not so downright evil as claims that school shootings were faked and the parents of the kids were crisis actors. That one is the lowest of the low. It outright disgusts me that humans can be that sick.

[@MegaDudeman21]

@@ShizukuSeiji people actually believed that though. Sandy hook had a lot of weird stuff going on

[@joeshmoe7967]

@@ShizukuSeiji Although having nothing to do with Flat Earth, I agree. The whole Red Flag nonsense is disgusting. Politicians HAVE taken advantage of some of the events to exert more control. In Canada AR-15 and similar style are now banned based on an incident where ILLEGALLY obtained firearms were used. The ban is 100% based on how those firearms look, and nothing to do with function. Same with hand guns. Banned, even though the shootings happening almost daily are with illegal hand guns. OK back to flat earth, or rather the arguing that the earth is flat. It is not, and that is easy to prove.

[@privateinformation2960]

especially when we have newer examples of human enginuity that are actual evidence of things happening now that are labelled as 'conspiracy theory' because tv said so! you know, the whole smart cities cashless societies digital lockdown 'totally never happening' and 'totally not what happens in China as a part of controlling general citizenry so they dont go rogue'. its happening whether we label that one 'crazy right wing conspiracy theory' or not, and they show us its happening. not saying flerfs are right. because they arent. because every part of their 'model' has been blown out of the water. but we have this thing where we all pick and choose the stupid shit we believe and use exactly the same logic to 'prove' our side is right. recognise the thought patterns and logical fallacies flerfs use ad nauseum, and then apply it to any other 'current issue' comes up and youd be suprised at the shit you see going down. whats more, you realise, you already believe, without any irony at all, some really really dumb shit simply because thats what tv or government told you. Now with that in mind.... who killed JFK. If you believe Lee Harvey Oswald as per US government, you already believe in the dumbest shit possible. Because you were told to.

[@tussk.]

Yes, the geniuses who invented RADAR never realised, at any point in its development, that thier calculations wouldn't work on a globe. Even though they did.

[@mballer]

You make no sense.

[@LeoMastroTV]

@@mballer how so?

[@ashwylde3131]

@@mballer They were being sarcastic.

[@joerichardson4325]

Someone doesn't detect sarcasm! Maybe it was flying too close to the ground, just over the curve...hidden...out of the line-of-sight tolerances!

[@JWRogersPS]

@@joerichardson4325 The problem with using sarcasm in a flat earth discussion is that, no matter how ridiculous you make the sarcasm, it can't sound crazier than what genuine flerfs say.

[@khandimahn9687]

I'd say the fact we can hear radio signals even when direct line of sight is blocked is pretty good proof that the signals can curve around objects.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

Or bounce and be reflected off the ionosphere or even the moon.

[@OliveBeSalty]

Diffract around objects would be more accurate terminology I believe.

[@hadz8671]

This is the value of flat earth - it causes globers to make cool stuff that teaches me about the real world.

[@deathsheir2035]

Thank you. I've been trying to figure out what value these nutjobs had.

[@tygical]

​@@deathsheir2035hello, fellow herd member! /)

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

If the Earth is flat why then build a tall antenna on a hill? Why not a small cheap one on the beach 😂

[@tristanridley1601]

That one actually has decent excuses.

[@Sableagle]

Well, you know how tides are caused by the Earth gently rising and falling on the bosom of the mighty deep, right? Do you really want your very important antenna to be on the beach when the mighty deep sneezes? 😉

[@Dilley_G45]

Low over the beach actually allows incredible Long Distance comms on 10 GHz

[@PeteOtton]

And ruin the view? /s

[@teathesilkwing7616]

It would destroy the beachfront property values

[@James_Randis_Spirit]

Also the excellent WW2 bomber The Mosquito, that was almost entirely made of wood, destroys the flat earth nonsense. They developed techniques for extreme low level flight in order to avoid the German radars. If the earth was flat that would make absolutely no sense.

[@blankityblankblank2321]

I don't know the specifics of the "extrremely low flight" you are talking about, but one major issue plaguing radar even past the cold war era was ground clutter returns. Flying low meant your radar returns were against a background of crap like birds, trees, hills, etc; and simpler signal processors have trouble sorting you from that. So seeing a bomber with a naturally smaller radar return against a background of crap would be difficult. That said the earth is still a globe.

[@gowdsake7103]

@@blankityblankblank2321 True to a point but fly at 5000 feet and you will be spotted, fly at 20000 feet and you can be seen 30 miles away fly at 60000 feet and you can be picked up 100 miles away

[@Ralph-yn3gr]

​@@blankityblankblank2321Good point. A better example would be Japanese kamikazes flying low over the Pacific to avoid US Navy radar. Not much in terms of ground clutter there.

[@thecoolestcorgi4991]

Notching a radar worked because of ground returns. Even post Cold War ear radars sometimes have difficulty with ground clutter returns

[@PschyoSupposeiam]

@@thecoolestcorgi4991 Weather radar does that also

[@kerwynbrat5771]

I showed this video to my father in law who was a b12 pilot who ran bombing missions over berlin. He looked at me and said, "this is what happens when you don't teach children the right information in school, what morons." Given that he was there and knew everything you were talking about and how it worked and why it worked, I tend to believe him over a flerf.

[@jootan91]

he must be something like 100+ by now?

[@johnporterfield7523]

What is a b12?

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

@@jootan91 Yes close to, Berlin was bombed fairly late into World War 2 after most of german defenses were down, so in 1944 or 1945. Most soldiers in world war 2 were fairly young, so as a 20 year old pilot in 1944 he would turn 100 this year. And if you doubt it. Most people would use a common bomber like the B-17 heavy bomber or the basic Martin B-10, if they make such a claim because they would google something. The Martin B-12 is a modification of the B-10 and that is very specific.

[@evilducks3710]

@@johnporterfield7523it’s a vitamin supplement?

[@txag007]

@@rudolfquerstein6710 But by 1944 the Army Air Corps would have phased out the few B-12s the US owned.

[@mjjoe76]

A flerf being disingenuous? That’s (not) shocking!

[@Theonlyshaun]

As someone who has specialised in radio (and satellite) communications for over 20 years, it makes me laugh when flerfs make these kinds of claims

[@lilmike2710]

😏 You cannot seriously expect anyone in that bunch to have any semblance of understanding in regards to Sattelite communication or Aviation. Those people are mid-witts at best.

[@patar3323]

​@@lilmike2710 I wouldn't call them all stupid, anyone can lack education on mental defenses for irrationality. Or emotionally skirt them

[@lilmike2710]

@@patar3323 That's a valid point. People who surf the web whilst in a state of methamphetamine psychosis can be led to forgo any rationale that they may have previously possessed. In spite of having ascertained proper knowledge during their lifetimes. That is one horrible drug. I've seen it short circuit people's minds myself, causing users to become fixated on things. "Stuck on stupid" as my younger niece has so eloquently put it while speaking on the subject.

[@okeesmokee6658]

The idiotic flerf aside, your research on how this was used during WWII was absolutely fascinating. Thank you!

[@simond.455]

I always learn something new from Dave's videos. 😃

[@ChrisRS7]

Image during WW2 a general saying "Hold my beer, let's take a week off of war, sit down with the enemy and talk about the shape of the earth!" 😀

[@xdragon2k]

The only good thing about Flat Earth movement is that we get to learn about these interesting new factoids from the debunkers that we would otherwise would not know about.

[@xwolpertinger]

Knickebein is literally German for: a) knock-knees, bent legs b) A certain layered cocktail Something tells me whoever came up with that name was thinking of the curvature of the earth

[@jensgoerke3819]

In German it's the nickname for a stork standing on one leg, the other bent, The name was a "clever" pointer to the fact that the system used only one beam. The British Oboe system used two beams and the Mosquitos had to fly really high because of Earth's curvature and the distance to the transmitters.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@jensgoerke3819 the nickname crooked leg comes because of the shape of the transmitting antenna array system as viewed from above.

[@enscroggs]

@@jensgoerke3819 Are you sure about one beam? Lorenz used one beam (actually two signals from one station) because the information being relayed was analogous to the bearing of the runway. The pilot knows the transmitter is in line with the runway so the signal strength was analogous to the distance. The pilot first aligned his aircraft with the steady tone, putting him on the correct bearing, and then he monitored the intensity, which was directly proportional to the distance. When the intensity reached the maximum, the pilot descended to a landing. Knickebein, however, needed to convey two pieces of information to the bomber pilot, a bearing and a location on that bearing, therefore two transmitting stations with a substantial angular separation.

[@jensgoerke3819]

It's been some time since I read about that system, but that one beam was the middle of two, the unit in the plane replied, so that the distance could be calculated@@enscroggs - all from a single ground station.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

The Germans often used code names for systems that gave clues about the system. One such examples was Y-Gerät which given the code name Wotan. This system used a single radio beam and Wotan was a one-eyed god.

[@grahvis]

Taboo Conspiracy knows full well his audience will not fact-check. Therefore, all he has to do is pull out an edited quote that sounds authoritative and his followers will swallow his bullshit conclusions.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

And thank him for it, then bray for more.

[@blankityblankblank2321]

Another example of a flerf cherry picking a source material, color me surprised. But seriously, that flerf is being extremely dishonest, the documentary has the answer to the "it must be flat" in plain sight and they ignore it and worse, pretend it doesn't exist. Downright pathetic.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

You could even say Taboo flat out lied. Just sad.

[@Hscaper]

7:54 one side would transmit dot sounds… the other side would transmit dachshunds 🐶

[@Er_Guille]

Best comment in the thread. 😂

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

'Alf a dog 'igh an' four dogs long so all the Jerries can pet 'im at the same time.

[@davidt8087]

Well you know hund in dachshund means dog right?

[@joerichardson4325]

"Release The 'Hunds!"

[@AbuMaia01]

"This thing I don't understand couldn't work the way I imagine it would work on a globe, and yet it does work, so that must mean the earth is flat!" No, it just means the way you imagined it to work was wrong. They never do seem to consider that possibility, do they?

[@josephveksenfeld5344]

You have to understand the mindset of all conspiracy theorists. They have an overinflated opinion of their own mental capabilities. Therefore, if they don't understand something, it's not because of their lack of mental ability but due to an act of some third party, usually with nefarious intent. They then congratulate themselves in being "in" on some dark secret, which gives them a tremendous ego boost. It doesn't matter which conspiracy they subscribe to: flat Earth, fake moon landings, COVID/vaccine, it's all the same.

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

Yep, that’s the difference between conspiratorial thinking and normal people. Normal people hear something they don’t understand and go “I don’t get that”. Curious ones find out more. Conspiracy theorists find out something they don’t understand and go “It’s not possible that something could be unintuitive or that I might not understand it, therefore it’s false and the entire field and all related fields are engaged in a huge conspiracy to hide the truth”. It will never stop being astounding to me. Especially when so many that do this have no expertise in the area at all.

[@rellen22]

Thanks!

[@DaveMcKeegan]

You're most welcome Rellen 😊

[@glenncurry3041]

I used to play with CB Radio. It operates around 27Mhz-28Mhz. From Wisconsin with an antenna on my house I talked to all 48 continent US States vie "ground wave", surface based signals. Because there was also what we called "Skip" which was the signal bouncing off of the atmosphere and back down to Earth. Skip faded in and out while the ground wave was steady so it was easy to know which was being used.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

27 - 28 mhz, but yeah cb is fun

[@TheScotsalan]

Yup. When I was a kid in Scotland, radios still had locations on the dial. Radio Luxemburg, Berlin etc. We only got them at night.. sometimes. Jesus wept.. I feel old now. 😂

[@KoRntech]

How much power were you using?

[@TheScotsalan]

@@KoRntech Good question. When I lived on the Isle of Man I was a Marshal at the motorbike races. I had a stack of PMR walkie talkes. Limited to 5W I think. I remember googling, and the US had 25w walkie talkies, same band. We could maybe get 2 mile straight line, the US versions got 25 miles. 👍

[@MOTMotorsport]

If only I had known the Earth was flat, I wouldn't have had to put up with all the fading in and out of Radio Luxemburg as a kid! (We are old!) @@TheScotsalan

[@ChrisRufus76]

You can't be telling me a Flat Earther wouldn't bother to finish watching a documentary?

[@yanke3s1]

OR.... is this proof that they are doing it for the MONEY?? I know some are REAL Flatties and would bet flat earth if their life was on the line but those flatties dont watch documentary's this long... lol their video time limit is about 2-5min

[@lXlDarKSuoLlXl]

Why, of course they wouldn't, there's an ice wall in the middle, so they can't pass 😂

[@randalscott7224]

More like a grifter hoping his target audience wouldn't seek out the documentary and finish it.

[@Lord_Volkner]

I suspect he probably did, but they tend to leave out and ignore the parts that contradict their narrative. Has there ever been a more dishonest group of people than those pushing the flat-earth nonsense?

[@VexingWeeb]

He watched up till he found “evidence” and then called it a day 😂

[@paulcurtis5317]

Before i start to watch this i pointed out to some one that during ww2 there were more boats, ships, planes, submarines and people at sea than ever before and ever after, there was no antarctic treaty yet no one bumped into, witnessed or took a photo of an 'eye swall' not even pathe news 😀

[@bruceaurand32]

Excellent talking point. I'm going to save and use that. Thanks

[@Captain_Hapton]

Rule #1: the citation always refutes the claims ring made. No exceptions.

[@Atylonisus]

The Conspiracy: "2+2=5" The Cited Paper: "2+2=4, and additionally here's why anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot" The Conspirator: "This goes deeper than I thought"

[@GymRowboat]

"We finally proved the Earth is flat!" Uh, nope.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

That translates to "we found something we didn't understand and didn't fully research and showed ourselves to be clueless blockheads once again"

[@ratdad48]

You can't teach a chicken calculus. Intelligence is mostly genetic. Trying to teach logic to idiots is a waste of time.

[@dkSilo]

What I find most interesting about flat earth debunking is learning about things I didn't know about. You don't learn about Knickerbein systems even in German standard history classes. Fascinating stuff. Thanks for the vid.

[@elliottsw]

Hell if the world was flat they could just use a light on a tower.

[@timgosling6189]

British experts did initially allege that the approximate 1.3 extension of RF horizon over geometric horizon for 30MHz signals (yes they do bend) would be insufficient for the beams to reach from occupied Europe to targets in Northern Britain. But once the signals were detected over the Rolls factory at Derby they had to have another think. At 30MHz ionospheric effects had a lot to do with it. However, contrary to what you say the bending of RF signals around the Globe is not primarily defraction. Surface wave bending is actually a refractive effect based on the air density, temperature and humidity gradients, while sky wave transmission is due to ionospheric reflection. In some cases and where the atmosphere is stable this can lead to anomalous propagation effects such as 'ducting' where transmitted radiation is confined to a narrow layer, greatly increasing range. If you go to longer wavelengths, such as for Loran or Omega the extension of RF horizon using surface waves is very, very marked. When crossing the Atlantic I could get the 100kHz Canadian stations almost all the way to Ireland and Omega, at 10kHz, had global interlocking coverage from just 8 transmitters - very useful in the South Atlantic in the days before GPS. This was the subject of my post-grad aerosystems thesis so it has always pricked my attention when this sort of thing comes up. Oh and by the way, I can confirm that south of the equator the lines of longitude do start coming together again rather than continuing to spread out.

[@duanebidoux6087]

Thanks for the enlightening information on this fascinating German navigation technology from WWII that I knew nothing about. You managed to scratch the itch of two of my ongoing areas of curiosity with one video.

[@MegaYhu]

Flat Earth nonsense aside, this is the coolest bit of WW2 trivia I've heard in a long time.

[@Hykje]

"My brain doesn't work on a round earth so the earth must be flat."

[@navyhmc8302]

FLERFER's reply to the statement at 14:23 regarding the German scientists: "Well, they came up with an idea that "Might" work on a globe, but since it did indeed work, that proves the earth is flat since it worked.

[@radarlockeify]

Atmospheric layers really are a nightmare for flerfs.

[@AECRADIO1]

D, E, F1, F2..INVERSIONS...

[@ddbb6618]

Great content as always, just a quick question "How thick do flat earthers think the earth is ? '

[@honestkyn718]

I imagine it's infinite as the ice wall is also infinite according to this so the impossible infinities would be consistent for them

[@simonjohn9525]

You'll have ask a flat earther, you'll get a different reply from each, collusion excepted, but there so many questions they can't answer it's like banging your head against a brick wall trying to get them to rationalise their imaginary flat earth.

[@phillwainewright4221]

Shouldn't the question be - How thick are flat-Earthers? Answer - very.

[@jandecoleman1]

You could ask 5 flat earthers and get 20 different answers.

[@stevewhite6861]

Not as thick as they are.

[@erniemathews5085]

They bray their ignorance and get upset when we snicker. The list of things ending in -ology and math they never studied is sooo long....

[@TimelyAbyss]

This technology that I don’t understand using physics I misunderstood working in a way I misrepresent proves flat earth.

[@Slicerwizard]

What are the dashes for?? What am I mis-sing?

[@TimelyAbyss]

@@Slicerwizard better?

[@ledrid6956]

Crossing two beams is one of those things that sound so insanely simple when you hear it but is actually some really clever shit.

[@RioZMC]

You’re not wasting time! I love the way you get so into the fine details of these debunks! Laughing at flat earth folks one and leave it at that, but you put in all the work and so much more!

[@AlanEvans789]

Dave I think the furthest city from Germany in the UK to be blitzed was Belfast, not Liverpool. although that was in IIRC 1941. I did some research on GEE for a debate I was supposed to have with a flerf about six years ago. There were occasions where aircraft were able to get fixes from UK based GEE while over Turin. The absolute longest range at which a GEE fix was recorded was IIRC about 700 miles from an aircraft flying near Gibraltar. Both GEE, and LORAN which were developed from it operated on wavelengths that would operate in skip modes at night, significantly improving the range.

[@chassetterfield9559]

One major advantage to an attack on Belfast, and to an extant Liverpool, is that they are both coastal. From 20 000' it should be fairly easy to spot whether you are flying over land or sea. There is still the problem of your N-S location, but there are ways around that.

[@tonydagostino6158]

"Ya gotta lie to flerf". You're generous calling him "disingenuous". His lying seems to be getting more brazen these days

[@Forest_Fifer]

"these days". He's been lying ever since he started his first channel. There's a reason why he's been through a few channel names.

[@tonydagostino6158]

@@Forest_Fifer He used to present a "kinder, gentler" kind of flerf idiocy but now he's more aggressive and belligerent. No doubt he doesn't like being debunked on a regular basis

[@Er_Guille]

I don’t care if the flerf argument was debunked. I do care that you taught me something I didn’t know. Thank you for expanding my knowledge.

[@pencilpauli9442]

Great stuff thanks Dave. The electronics warfare that took place during WW2 is not widely known afaik

[@DoctorShocktor]

Of course it’s widely known. In fact, I get rather annoyed at all the KZbin videos that repeatedly present “WWII Fighters”, or “the wonder of Radar” or whatever topic has already been done a thousand times. There is very little unknown modern historical information not online somewhere.

[@pencilpauli9442]

@Shocktor Outside of anyone with an interest in WW2 ETO aviation, people won't have a clue about radio navigational aids used, and the back and forth with countermeasures. Mention "windows" and Jack Everyman will ask which version. So no, it is not widely known, despite what you may or may not get annoyed about.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@pencilpauli9442 'Widely known' means 'information widely available'. You're describing 'widespread ignorance'.

[@pencilpauli9442]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver I'm not going to indulge in your game of semantics.

[@icycooldrink6085]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver In general use, the phrase "widely known" typically implies that the information is known by a large number of people, rather than emphasizing its availability for learning. It suggests a level of awareness or familiarity among a broad audience, irrespective of whether individuals actively sought out that information.

[@bobstupaksvegasworld4098]

1,000 years ago people were ignorant of pretty much everything. At this current point in time some people are just stupid.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

Failure of the current (recently current) education system. Critical thinking isn't stressed. There will still be stupid people but education needs to improve. AND! The reach of social media! The advent of SM has a large impact on the spread of stupid.

[@tristanridley1601]

Before the internet, at least we had an EXCUSE to be so clueless.

[@bobstupaksvegasworld4098]

@@tristanridley1601 Most definitely. If it weren't for encyclopedias and good teachers I'd be half as smart as I think I am.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"1,000 years ago people were ignorant of pretty much everything. " They knew the Earth was a globe though.

[@eldoolittle]

People 1000 years ago were ignorant about many of the things we know and value today, but they also knew lots of things, especially practical knowledge on a local level, that we are ignorant about. That's where all the ancient alien conspiracy thinkers base their arguments. We too easily conclude that we are inherently smarter than our ancestors. They didn't understand science like we do. But they did still invent technologies and solve problems as well as we do, just using different tools and approaches. Our scientific achievemants also bias us. Because, if those ignorant people 1000 years ago could do something clever that we haven't quite figured out how they did it, it must have been aliens.

[@TruthNerds]

I love how Bamboo Conspiracy gets his distances from Google Earth, a tool that is not only advertised as the world's most accurate globe but also provides distances that, if you look a bit more closely into it, only work on a spheroid approximately 8,000 miles in diameter.

[@jennoscura2381]

I have a general class Amateur Radio license. These people clearly don't understand how radio wave propogation works. Amateur Radio does a pretty good job of proving a globe. On the High Frequency part of the radio spectrum I have made contacts with stations i. Japan, South America, and Europe from the Bay Area in California in an area with hills. But for some strange reason on the 2 meter band (144 to 148 MHz you typically need to use a repeater station to longer distaces. I say usually because tropospheric ducting can get you longer disances. But for contacts all over the world people typically use HF. Which makes long distance VHF contacts more fun because they aren't reliable. On the 6 meter band (50 to 54 Mhz) you can get sporadic E during the summer, which allows the signal to bounce off small portions of the E layer of the ionosphere to get around the curve. A meter of the Amateur Radio club I was with was telling me about a 6 meter contact he made from the California Bay Area to a station in South Africa. So yea, my own personal experience with Amateur Radio matches up with a globe earth. I would love to see a flat earther get a general class Amateur Radio license or whatever the equivalent is in their country. Since Amateur Radio is a bunch of people doing this as a hobby, it's harder to argue a government conspiracy. These days people post youtube videos of their setups. I once made a contest with a contest station in the Netherlands. I then found them on KZbin and got to see their antenna setup. They had directional antenna on a tower. Which helped them pick up my low power 5 watt signa coming l from a much more basic wire antenna.

[@Arltratlo]

being German, veteran and a HAM radio operator.... i can tell you, you can use radio waves on a globe! we even use moon reflection and satellites! i reached Terra de Fuego with 7.5W at 28MHz.... that is over 14.000km from here

[@brindlebucker4741]

As always, a great job. It's so typical of flerfers. Pick the one or two sentences or excerpts that they can use to support their argument but outright refuse to show the entire context of the source material.

[@tedkrasicki3857]

And "Gunners" had to apply a correction to the howitzer settings to account for the projectiles direction of flight, time of flight, and how far they were from the equator on this spinning globe. A correction for the 'Rotation of the Earth' used by the 'Greatest Generation'.

[@AXE668]

20:13 Doggy: "Come on dad, your rebuttles are brilliant, but stop worrying about those wankers and let's go for walkies!"

[@clivedavis6859]

Great one Dave. I have the entire "The Secret War" series on DVD so knew about this.

[@johnrhodez6829]

If the earth was flat, the cats would by now have pushed everything off the edge....

[@jameskyle7943]

Calling Taboo Conspiracy disingenuous is very charitable.......I'd go with F'ng liar myself.

[@mjjoe76]

Dave intentionally pulls punches because it serves as a great counterpoint to many flerfs and moon landing deniers. But I agree with you.

[@paulmadryga]

Brilliant work, Dave!

[@victorfinberg8595]

a funny thing happens when you deny all existing knowledge, which is a prerequisite for becoming a flat earther : you become really, really stupid, and don't have a fncking clue how anything works. so strange ....

[@CriticalThink]

I also did a debunk video on this very subject titled "Taboo Conspiracy gets his knickers in a bind over knickebein - Flat Earth Lie #11"

[@Mega-G-Star]

I will check it out, thanks.

[@kemcolian2001]

genius title

[@74wrighty]

You can also bounce radio waves off the ionosphere.

[@jeffdingle9677]

How can a Flat-Earther explain how their South Pole (or the complete Outer Rim Ice-Ring as they often call it) remains in Total Daylight for at least 11 weeks-a-year and the North Pole (or Central Hub) remains in Total Darkness during the same period - and vice versa, 6 months later.…

[@leftpastsaturn67]

They simply deny it.

[@timhallas4275]

I proposed that if the Earth was indeed flat, every mountain top observatory would be able to see every other mountain top observatory at any distance. The flat earther claimed that telescopes aren't powerful enough to see an object that is thousands of miles away. I said, OK then how far away is the moon from the arctic circle when it is directly above the equator. The FE model suggests it is at minimum, 3,000 miles elevation. The arctic circle is at minimum, about 4,400 miles from the equator. That puts the moon a minimum of 5,000 miles from me, if I am standing on the ground at the arctic circle, and I can see the moon just fine with no telescope at all.

[@Mega-G-Star]

What? My dad said the Arctic circle is ice, no land? I will ask teachers at school if nobody knows right.

[@timhallas4275]

@@Mega-G-Star So what are you saying? I can't take measurements from there?

[@leftpastsaturn67]

@@timhallas4275 He/she is just trolling weakly for attention.

[@yourguard4]

@@Mega-G-Star the artic circle is mostly land. The artic itseself is mostly swimming ice.

[@RidgewayMountainhauser]

@@Mega-G-Star your dad is wrong. i have friends in finland that live north of the arctic circle.

[@xiro6]

Almost thanked them to learn about this system i didnt knew about, but realized no. Thanks to you, Dave, who teached me about it and even more.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Once again MCToonz Law of Flerf #1 is proven. #GottaLieToFlerf

[@diverdannavyvet9672]

Apparently they've never watched the U.S. Army Air Corps Celestial Navigation training film on the Periscope Films KZbin channel.😝🤣🌴⚓😎

[@1600ISO]

They are nuts

[@Leongon]

I worked installing radio links between cellphone towers for a few years. These links are high frequency narrow beams that need to be aimed very precisely, and need to avoid proximity to populated places because that frequency is harmful if there were people in the way besides of the signal getting broken very easily by that or any obstacle. The engineers making the aiming calculations for the antennas of both towers to aim precisely to each other... Do consider Earth's curvature.

[@Mega-G-Star]

So cell phone is bad for humans?

[@Leongon]

@@Mega-G-Star The direct radio link between towers is dangerous, but that is totally different from the antennas pointing down communicating between your cellphone and the tower.

[@Mega-G-Star]

@@Leongon Thanks for your honest reply, I watched a dumb video saying phones using it would give cancer. Which I had never heard before.

[@Leongon]

@@Mega-G-Star People get a lot more exposure to harmful radiation from being out in the sun or travelling in a plane than from using cellphones all day long. The frequency and power of the radiowaves going back and forth between your device and the tower are totally safe. To put it in layman terms: We use a high amount of towers, all running at a safe low power.

[@Mega-G-Star]

@@Leongon We call cellphones, mobile phones just a weird fun fact. Thanks again good to hear from a communications worker.

[@Horsepipe]

Great argument but have you considered "nuh uh"?

[@B3RG3RS0N]

Thank You for excellent explanation of the system👍

[@irtazakhan2243]

I wanted to ask this: Has anyone ever seen a flat earther that wasn't American (I'm not insulting Americans im just curious to see why we've only seen American flat earthers, though i could be wrong).

[@AlanEvans789]

Anthony "This is an egg" Riley, English. Del "Noooo", Scottish. Flatzoid, or should that be Failzoid? South African. There's a few for you.

[@pencilpauli9442]

There are some Brits, Aussies and central Europeans that I know of. Not sure how many are space deniers as a result of their pancake brained worldview, but the must be in denial about how modern communication systems work lol

[@garethfarman9540]

Yes Expat Taffy and that vile person that just lies and insults people are just 2 Brits. There are one or two Aussies as well.

[@Xovaravam]

You do see them in other countries but America is like the majority of KZbin conspiracies, I think it mainly comes down to population, there's just so many more Americans than there are of England or Canada or Australia ect. The other thing I think is that Americans tend to hate their government more than other countries and somehow come to these crazy conclusions. Most of the American flat earthers are also people to think big pharma is an evil company that controls everything and that area 51 is keeping aliens a secret

[@LSA30]

LEO is British, although he calls himself a "demonstrable realist", not a flat earther😂 And there's also Santos Bonnacci, who I believe is Australian. And the idea of someone in the Southern Hemisphere believing in a flat earth is hilarious😂

[@louithrottler]

17:40 the spelling alone is absolutely atrocious. I'd wager there's a high correlation of flat earth believers and those who failed school.

[@askthepizzaguy]

Remember, they are also so arrogant as to believe they're smarter than you while literally failing to speak properly.

[@deafnewt6361]

Fascinating look back, Dave. Thank you.

[@mileswithau]

Dog.

[@WalkingDday]

Well researched and presented.

[@HankD13]

Brilliant, as always.

[@nicspits9876]

I've wondered about this for years but never got around to looking it up, thanks for the explanation!

[@Soundbrigade]

Do I hear some desperation among the flurfs. Do they need so many more evidence for a sphere Earth?! As always an excellent presentation.👍

[@WL69420]

No, they’re cultists.

[@Maviation]

The funny thing is that the same applies today. As a pilot (that haven´t signed any documents to protect some secrets 🤣) during normal "day to day" operation we use VHF to communicate with air traffic control. They can switch between diffrent antennas to widen the coverage. But during an atlatlic crossing (or pacific and so on..) we acctually use HF communication. It kind o sucks becouse the quality gets bad due to atomospheric reflection. But the reciving distance get a lot longer thanks to our ionosphere. During nighttime the distans can get even longer and we can even pick up AM-radio on the HF-band from like 400-500 Nm away.

[@josephwiess2877]

Dr jones! It belongs in a museum!

[@El_Rey_247]

Thank you very much for this video. Not only was it the polite debunking that I've come to expect from this channel, but it was also about a topic with which I was wholly unfamiliar.

[@Joe-306]

Always an education, thanks for the good info and keep up the fine work!

I did not expect to learn so many new things in this video. Great stuff, Dave!

[@azmax623]

I've heard AM radio from Oklahoma while in eastern Arizona on overcast days. We heard tornado warnings and were worried until we heard town and county names that were not in Arizona.

[@ColinWatters]

Indeed. Frequencies up to say 40Mhz are reflected off the ionosphere and can be recieved over greater distances than the higher frequencies used for FM.

[@AECRADIO1]

WMAQ CHICAGO HEARD WHEN I WAS IN BASIC AT FT. LEONARD WOOD, MO.

[@Slicerwizard]

Since AM operates nowhere near 30+ MHz, what's your point??

[@alanjhargreaves]

I have fellow hams on the Central Coast of NSW Australia hearing FT-8 signals from Japan at around 50MHz.

[@peeperleviathan2839]

Out of any flerf I’ve ever encountered online I’ve only found one that actually admitted they were wrong

[@lucas17oficial]

Is that even a thing?

[@TheAlchaemist]

Even the way that good old HF propagates, in hops with blackout areas, and other areas with signal (due to reflections), serves as proof that the earth is not flat. No need to bring up more complicated systems with multiple beams, different frequencies, etc. If the earth was flat, then HF would reach everywhere directly, aside from reflections.

[@TheAlchaemist]

And now I realize that radars also prove flat earth wrong. That's why they have a limited range, and also why long range radars use much much lower frequencies, but even them they have a limited range. And why "over-the-horizon" radars were developed, like the woodpecker. I had never thought of that... anyway in a sense if you deny such a basic fact of reality, the number of things that would not work quickly cascades...

[@G0Ben]

I've been looking forward to this one!

[@lake5044]

Ooooh, so that's what the beeps are for. I always thought they're just beeping like a "temperature" (close, far) but they actually also encode whether you're left or right of the target. Today I learned something new! Thanks.

[@bwtv147]

A much simpler method was to home in on an HF AM broadcast station in the target country. That led to development of Conelrad, having all AM broadcast stations to transmit on 640 or 1240 KC when an emergency was announced. That way the bomber or missile didn’t know where the signal was coming from. BTW I think VHF is usually good for a little over 1.4 times line of sight.

[@BitJam]

Brilliant! Thank you!