Flat Earthers, Conspiracy Culture, and Why People Will Believe Anything (Kelly Weill)

[@TerryUniGeezerPeterson]

The only thing flat-earthers fear is *sphere* itself.

[@tipple58]

Clever!

[@mrloop1530]

Yes, very clever copy-pasting worn-out jokes.

[@JohnStopman]

@@mrloop1530 It's still funny though :p

[@mrloop1530]

@@JohnStopman Yes, the first couple of times 🤷‍♂️

[@kdshak4904]

🤣 it is now a “dad joke” to be repeated at family gatherings, dinners, lunches. 🙏

[@treefrog3349]

Those that know nothing will believe anything.

[@homewall744]

Those who claim to know a lot believe they know what others should do.

[@subliminal81]

Vice versa..

[@jamesbennett5430]

I agree I don’t want Mr Shermer nor the author making censorship decisions. The conspiracy theories discussed were of a particular set of people which did not include Mr Shermer nor the author.

[@w4rsh1p]

6:12 starts

[@NicolasCorte]

Yes but they rant about other people like for 20 minutes.

[@monsterguyx]

20 years ago, I was active in the Church of the SubGenius and still found conspiracy theories to be a funny, mostly harmless distraction. Two decades later, the widespread belief in nonsense makes me genuinely concerned about the future of humanity.

[@duyduhh3798]

Because humans didn't believe in nonsense before? How does this have 17 likes..

[@monsterguyx]

@@duyduhh3798 People have always believed nonsense, but - no - there was nowhere near the widespread science denial or acceptance of fringe beliefs before the rise of social media.

[@duyduhh3798]

@@monsterguyx you sure about that?

[@monsterguyx]

@@duyduhh3798 yeah.

[@duyduhh3798]

@@monsterguyx so you're a troll. 4 billion religious people as of 1990.

[@Rijadaan]

Before watching this I would say that if you have religious beliefs that could lead you to believe in other things without evidence. Let's see what they say.

[@guacamolekid3899]

None of these people have checked out ANY evidence- especially about Q.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

There are too many gullible people in the world today and never has the phrase "it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled" been more apt.

[@duyduhh3798]

"If you have religious beliefs" "If you had or have religious beliefs" Fixed it. Many born Xtians and Muslims are Democrats.

[@digitalperson108]

The existence of a term like “globe earther” is a sad indicator of where we are as a species and culture.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

We usually just call them "grown-ups"

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

Or a-theist

[@digitalperson108]

@@aaronmatzkin7966 nice….I saw what you did there. Bravo!

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@aaronmatzkin7966 You think 'creation' just came out of a bunch of space dust?

[@A15degreeperhourdrift]

@@guacamolekid3899 You think there's a magic sky pixie?

[@treefrog3349]

As a counterpoint to the flat-earthers I would like to interject a personal experience. Years ago while sailing on a 30-foot sailboat bound for Tahiti, a thousand mile from land in any direction, on a star-filled glorious night I had this intense visceral "awareness" that I was an insignificant little speck, floating on another insignificant little speck (the boat) which in turn was floating upon another seemingly insignificant "speck" (Earth itself). I, myself, was a tiny little dot upon another tiny little dot staring in to the immensity of the Cosmos itself. I pity the flat-Earthers who will never have that type of moment.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

When flat Earthers can reduce our Universe to "just lights in the sky" it is such a sad and disturbing indictment on humanity.

[@alancrabb]

" insignificant little speck" Your 'awareness' - possibly 'connection' - is precisely what terrifies some flat earthers, especially those who adopt a literal interpretation of the Bible. I have found that they value the closed system - earth protected by a dome, 'the firmament'- as without this God would somehow be remote. I have often countered this with the observation that the Creator of an immense universe would be more in line with the Biblical Almighty than the medieval concept of a limited cosmos. So far as I can tell, this is ineffectual.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@alancrabb The concept of, the greater the god the more insignificant the individual, like all logic and reason is completely ineffective against religiots.

[@alancrabb]

@@chrisantoniou4366 My point, badly made, was that the Biblical writings actually resolve the 'problem' of the Almighty Creator of an immense universe and inferred remoteness - a cursory reading of the Psalms demonstrates this. The accounts there of the author staring out into the heavens almost perfectly mirror the original comment about awareness of insignificance, but coupled with a personal relationship with God. But Biblical literalists fail to recognise this powerful 'truth' in their own holy writings (as well as logic and reason), preferring the cosiness of the medieval closed cosmos. It is not only psychological - it is bad theology.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@alancrabb Any thousands of years old writings which can be interpreted any which way, and which have been translated, transcribed, and retranscribed, added to and redacted, and full of contradictions and impossibilities can't pretend to be an authoritative text of any description. "Biblical writings" are worthless.

[@science212]

Kelly Weill is for reason, objective reality, truth, and science.

[@cambee3070]

😂

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Obviously she is.

[@10XSeiga]

Bot spotted

[@increasement]

the globe is not objective OR scientific. Let alone reasonable or truthful.

[@science212]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 Yes.

[@fraserct533]

Listening to this you can see aspects of the current Trans-debate fit the pattern of a conspiracy theory quite well? - the assertions that trans-women are real women / trans-men are real men - deny clear evidence in a very similar way that the flat earthers do. + the patterns of believer group psychology & dynamics seem very similar to those described here.

[@NicolasCorte]

You probably haven't realize it yet but flat earthers are conservative.

[@treefrog3349]

"Alternate realities" are what people resort to when they are ignorant of objective, scientifically-proven truths, historically-demonstrated facts, and the general liberating quality of knowledge itself. Instead, they are subjected to religious, political or financially-motivated propaganda which most often does not have their best interest at heart.

[@homewall744]

Most life has no such clear truths. Is government good? Is fiat currency good? Are police tyrants? Is incarceration a good way to punish? Is this war just? Will this investment work out for me? Is this the person to marry? Should I have a child? Should I eat this burger or mushroom? Are cars a good invention? Is regulation better than laws?

[@dannystefanovski5513]

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[@EMO_alpha]

46:25 I think abortion is fine. But being against the death penalty doesn't mean you have to support UBI. Why should being pro life mean you should support dependancy on government? I don't see how that tracks.

[@guacamolekid3899]

Fine?

[@EMO_alpha]

@@guacamolekid3899 yeah, how else do you want me to say it? I am not anti abortion. I think families should have lots of babies but i am not a part of the outlawing abortion crowd.

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@EMO_alpha It's become a profit driven industry. Lots of money in parts- especially late-term.

[@EMO_alpha]

@@guacamolekid3899 I am just as skeptical of Planned Parenthood as much as anybody is, but there is a profit incentive to everything. There is a profit incentive to save lives too lol

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@EMO_alpha A lot of people think that there's going to be a population explosion- I think there's going to be a population collapse.

[@ronniezillmer2201]

First, thanx Michael - and most especially the insight provided by Kelly in her successfully-applied and genuinely concerned/interest in the very people involved in what they believe/and why...it helps "us" all (both those who don't, on behalf of those that do, and, again, those who do?

[@guacamolekid3899]

1- Have you ever heard of 'Governance and Integration of Federal Mission Resilience? 2- Did you know that Trump consolidated power into the Special Forces in January of 21? 3- Did you know that Trump signed several other orders- one was on foreign interference in elections- another was on blocking the property of persons involved in serious human rights abuses, and another one defined who could and couldn't be tried in a military court. There was a famous exchange between Lindsey Graham and Justice Kavenaugh about that very issue during his hearings. 4- What about what General William Wallace said on Good morning America, that they'd have a "smooth transition into military power?" I could go on and on with this list, but long story short, the military at the highest levels take an oath to the Constitution, and not to the president, which means that they have a choice whether to accept the president as commander in chief. If they have evidence that our government has been captured from within, or that we have been attacked by cyber methods or bio methods then they can basically, under certain conditions, take over the functioning of the government and do whatever it takes to remove that threat. It's called Devolution or Continuation of Government. That's what is going on right now. The Q plan is a world-wide devolution plan- Ukraine is part of it. Basically they're flushing the deep state out of their rat holes.

[@TheMobileHomestead]

@@guacamolekid3899

[@michalanckoronski2673]

I not really care that adult people belive in nonsense. That could be harmful as literally anything else under specific conditions. What makes me sad is pretty word "firmament" is no longer in use

[@ceeyaaa]

I was a Republican who has left the Party because of Trump. I was so outraged and still everyday amazed at what comes out of his mouth. He made me question every aspect of my being a Republican so that now I am firmly on the left. I evaluated my beliefs and came to the conclusion I had been wrong. I voted Republican since the first election I voted in 1972. The way that election turned out should have told me I wasn’t on the right path but I’m a slow learner apparently.

[@guacamolekid3899]

You were never a true conservative getting caught in orange man bad bs- he's the only president in 50 years who didn't start a new war- oh but his tweets are mean! The lines are drawn between the war mongering, epidemic causing, media lying globalists and their quest for a communistic one world government, and the Populists who simply want to keep our independence and follow our own Constitution. Trump is on the right side of history, and Q is real. These people have their heads in the sand.

[@markgrudzinski914]

@@guacamolekid3899 LMAO, your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@markgrudzinski914 and you don't know what you're talking about

[@50-50_Grind]

Leaving the republican party does not mean you're on the left now. If you joined the democrats then you are now firmly on the center right. There is NO real left in power in the USA. A European.

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@50-50_Grind The American left are with the globalists who want a one world communistic government- they're a bunch of brain-washed fools who don't really know anything about any issue- they're pavlov dogs- salivate when the bell rings. wear a mask- get a shot- go Ukraine- jan 6 was an insurrection- they'll believe anything they're told- if you're on the right at least you're for your own country and freedom.

[@CancelledPhilosopher]

An ice wall? Are we living in Game of Thrones haha?

[@whittedlawncare]

Misnomer. Ice shoreline of Antarctica, encompassing the oceans. While the shoreline of Antarctica might not be 100’ or more in elevation, there’s numerous videos depicting ships equipped with cranes to unload equipment onto shoreline plateau.

[@DITRH]

That's exactly what they want you to believe so you laugh at flat earth. Globe believers have 2 things in common. They dont know their own globe model at all and the beliefs they have on what flat earth is are 100% controlled disinformation. No flat earth researchers believe what globe believers think about flat earth. Do you know how fast your globe spins at the equator? Do you know the circumference of the earth at the equator or the radius? Do you know how far or how big the sun is? Do you know what the 3 body problem is or the inverse square law of light is? I am confident you dont know any of those answers yet you laugh at flat earth and defend the globe. Earth is testably and scientifically provable level and stationary. The spinning globe in a space vacuum is scientifically impossible. If you want to know the truth about our flat world, watch these videos in order and there will be no turning back. kzbin.info/aero/PLEzivhxtxgbtrtyKphTY5_5vifQ8-Ynes

[@CancelledPhilosopher]

@@whittedlawncare I wasn't being serious, genius.

[@BootsySage]

Any real globe skeptic knows there isn't an edge to fall off of.

[@williamrunner6718]

No, it's the magic hand of God holding his creation in place from falling off.

[@williamrunner6718]

Look forward to your new book @Skeptic Michael Shermer!

[@philipbannor3281]

People - and **ESPECIALLY** Americans - have lost their collective minds. I blame religion.

[@dannystefanovski5513]

Aristotle said ...... It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it The truest sign of intelligence is the ability to entertain two contradictory ideas simultaneously The truest marks of intelligence is being able to consider opposite ideas without immediately accepting or rejecting one of them every issue has at least two sides or more and if we only research or think about one side of an issue and reject the other side without consideration That is the highest form of willful Ignorance and this is the main dividing factor between the two types of people

[@dannystefanovski5513]

Our education is flawed. I’ve discovered evidence that the theory of evolution is a blatant lie and that the “big bang”, “space”, spinning “globe” theory is a blatant lie. Firstly here is “flat” earth evidence I’ve discovered. The curve is supposed to be 66 feet over 10miles but is apparent nowhere and we can see beyond that distance. Corsica can be seen from 137 miles away. The suez canal is 100 miles long and has no locks. The Sahara Desert, the Tibetan Plateau and the West Siberian Plains are flat. The equator could not be the warmest part of the earth on a “tilted globe”. All stars revolve around Polaris, the North/Pole Star. If we were on a ball circling the sun we should see new stars every day for a year as a lighthouse illuminates the sky surrounding it. The cycle should repeat every year. At any one time the majority of space should be invisible due to the sun’s light. Instead we see the same stars from somewhere on earth throughout the year. We can see Mercury and Venus at night which are between the earth and the sun. This is impossible with heliocentricity. In reality we have a celestial dome covering the earth through which the sun circulates. Tides are not uniform and do not affect lakes. Tides and the seasons are central to feeding and reproduction. Pilots and engineers do not account for the curve. Pilot training manuals are based on a flat earth. Gyroscopes show the earth is still. The cycle of the moon bears no correlation to that of the sun. It’s logical that surface water cannot curve as we are told is the case over vast oceans. We know water reacts physically to movement yet we see no evidence of movement in the water that surrounds us. Ships that disappear over the horizon come back into view with telescopes. There is no 24hour sunlight in the south pole. Antarctica is 30degrees colder than the arctic. It is the coldest place on earth with a low of -90 degrees. 70% of the earth’s fresh water is in Antarctica. The Abyssal plains at the floors of the oceans are flat and have no sediment. In 1946 US Admiral Byrd went with 4700 troops in OPERATION HIGH JUMP. Planes smashed into invisible “barriers” and it got closed off to the public. In 1875 hms Challenger “circumnavigated” the Antarctic. It took 69,000miles. The circumference of God’s earth is 52,800miles. They would have gone 5 times round the fake Antarctica. Many sailors died because they were assuming the globe model and in fact the Longitude’s are longer in the southern hemisphere so thinking they had travelled round land they ended up hitting it! The Arctic circle is 66.6 degrees north. The Antarctic Circle is 66.6 degrees south. It has circular coastline, there’s a Deception Island, Elephant Island and Enderby Land. Weddell Sea, Ellsworth mountains. It was explored in 1911 and Amundsen reached the “centre” in 1911. How did they even know where the centre was. It has places called Titan Dome, Law Dome, Dome Charlie and Dome Argus. The US Thule base in Greenland is used to detect inter ballistic missiles. I thought that’s what satellites did! There is plenty of evidence on youtube showing the moon landings were fake. The same background is used repeatedly. The shadows are inconsistent. How do you take photos with an antiquated camera and a space suite on. Why was there no dust on the “spaceship”. How does a rocket work in a vacuum. How can you effect direction in a vacuum. Scientists say the Van Allen Belt above the earth is impenetrable. See Edward Hendrie(2016), Rob Skiba, Bradon Edge and Casper Stith(2017) for more flat earth evidence. Our bodies and that of animals and creatures are designed to detect movement yet we are told we cannot detect the earth moving at 66,600mph. These are lies. UPDATE: I forgot to add this bit. implicating the Hornéd One: As to who would and could create the lie? One obvious answer is satan to conceal God! We are therefore talking about the spirit realm and we do not know how profoundly the spirit realm can impact our world. The indignation and ferocity with which many attack this concept shows they’re afraid of this evidence becoming mainstream. My research shows this is central to the battle between God and satan which is a spiritual battle. It sounds ludicrous and personally it has spiritual significance but it should concern everyone because it exposes the reality that our establishment can and does control the evidence which is promulgated. Science and education promulgate only the evidence that fits an agenda. Flat earth is by no means the only realm of suppression of evidence.

[@dannystefanovski5513]

Truth as a Social System The round earth as a flat-out lie TitleGleason's New Standard Map of the WorldCreatorAlexander GleasonYear1892Dimensions55 × 39 cmLocationLeventhal Map & Education Center at the Boston Public LibraryView full Digital Collections record Read the 1893 patent for Gelason's “time chart.” Link → Alexander Gleason created and patented this map to show how longitude and time could be calculated by tracing an indicator around the flat earth circle Essentially, this map uses a polar azimuthal projection, centering the North Pole and flattening the globe outwards around the edges. But this map wasn't just a handy device for time measurement or a way of showing off a novel projection. For Gleason, it supported his belief that the globe theory of a round earth was false. With its claims to show the earth “as it is,” “scientifically and practically correct,” Gleason's map appealed to the language of cartographic veracity in order to make a com

[@dannystefanovski5513]

Truth as a Social System The round earth as a flat-out lie TitleGleason's New Standard Map of the WorldCreatorAlexander GleasonYear1892Dimensions55 × 39 cmLocationLeventhal Map & Education Center at the Boston Public LibraryView full Digital Collections record Read the 1893 patent for Gelason's “time chart.” Link → Alexander Gleason created and patented this map to show how longitude and time could be calculated by tracing an indicator around the flat earth circle Essentially, this map uses a polar azimuthal projection, centering the North Pole and flattening the globe outwards around the edges. But this map wasn't just a handy device for time measurement or a way of showing off a novel projection. For Gleason, it supported his belief that the globe theory of a round earth was false. With its claims to show the earth “as it is,” “scientifically and practically correct,” Gleason's map appealed to the language of cartographic veracity in order to make a com

[@dannystefanovski5513]

NASA Moon Missions Published on January 17th, 2022 | by Madhudvisa dasa | Full size image NASA Admits they Did Not go to the Moon 46:37 48:48 NASA is the first to admit that they are many unresolved issues for future manned flights to the Moon. Our scientific understanding of may things has progressed since the 60’s when the Apollo Lunar Landings were supposed to have taken place. And one area where we now have significant data which we did not have in the 60’s is in regard to the levels of radiation that exists in space and the radiation belts that surround earth. Now it is scientific fact, beyond any question of a doubt, that if someone is traveling in space he is going to be exposed to very high levels of radiation compared with the situation here on earth. This has been measured for example in the International Space Station which is orbiting the earth only about two hundred miles away. But even at this relatively low altitude the levels of radiation on the ISS are considerably elevated above those here on earth. Of course the position of the ISS is far below the beginning of the Van Allen Belts, which are very highly charged belts of radiation surrounding the entire earth. Today we have many satelites in the Van Allen Belts and accurate measurements of the extent and levels of radiation a space craft would have to pass through to leave earth orbit are known scientific facts. Although the Van Allen Belts contain extremely high levels of radiation, even in space the level of radiation is very high, compared with here on earth, due to cosmic rays, so even if one could pass through the Van Allen Belts still simply traveling in space without proper shielding from the radiation would be very detrimental to human health. The biggest challenge, therefor, that NASA and other organizations trying to commence manned space flight is how to shield the astronauts from the lethal radiation, not only during their passing through the Van Allen Belts, which may be only for a period of 1-2 hours, but also they need to be protected from the cosmic radiation and random radiation spikes as a result of sunspots, etc. Because now the levels of radiation are known in the Van Allen Belts and also we are reasonably sure about the levels of the cosmic radiation one may experience traveling through space the amount of shielding that would be required to protect astronauts from this radiation can be calculated. And it turns out that the best way would be to surround the spaceship with a layer of water as water is an effective shield for radiation. But the problem is the calculations reveal that around two meters of water (more than 6 feet) would be required to surround the spaceship in every direction. But such a large amount of water would be extremely heavy and currently no one can imagine any propulsion system that would be capable of lifting such a huge quantity of water. Nowadays the levels of radiation in the Van Allen Belts, as I said already, are known, and the level of shielding required for humans to pass through the Van Allen Belts is also known. These are now scientific facts. And NASA also accepts that if they are going to send men out of earth orbit then they are going to have to find some solution to the radiation problem. There has been a long string of experiments trying to send animals through the Van Allen Belts and return them to earth. But so far, except for a tortoise and maybe some other reptiles, all the animals have died. Certainly all the mammals have died due to exposure to the radiation. So NASA are now “between a rock and a hard place.” On one hand they are trying to defend the lie that in the 60’s they had six glorious Apollo missions where they send men safely to the moon and returned them home. Of course to do this the Apollo astronauts would have had to pass through the Van Allen Radiation belts twice. But according to our current scientific understanding of the Van Allen Belts this is not possible. Every mammal who has passed through the Van Allen Belts has died. And on the other hand NASA is openly stating that to make manned space flight possible in the future they have to find some way to solve the radiation problem. The proof is there in NASA’s own Apollo data. The astronauts spacesuits had radiation meters sewn into them. And the readings on these radiation meters show that for a complete Apollo Moon landing mission the astronauts were only exposed to something like .8 rem of radiation. Even if they had just gone to the International Space Station, which is way below the Van Allen belts, they would have experienced more radiation than this. So NASA’s own Apollo data proves scientifically without any question of doubt that the astronauts never left earth orbit. They could not have left earth orbit as they had no radiation shielding and would have been killed simply passing through the Van Allen Belts, even if somehow they got through, they would have been killed by the cosmic radiation. And these days every thoughtful scientist knows this to be a fact. That NASA’s Apollo missions never went to the moon. And NASA themselves are announcing that “We Never Went to the Moon” when they tell us that “we will not be able to embark on future manned space flight until we can solve the radiation problem.” So the radiation problem was not solved in the 60’s and therefore space flight was not possible in the 60’s. NASA is admitting this openly. Please listen to the very interesting Truth News Australia radio show interview with Damon Crowe who is a scientist discussing very scientifically the challenge of overcoming the problem of radiation on manned space flights. He proves conclusively that without adequate radiation shielding manned spaceflight is not possible, and he establishes that the Apollo missions did not provide any significant radiation shielding thus proving conclusively that they never left earth orbit.

[@dannystefanovski5513]

A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake. Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.

[@TedApelt]

"Conspiracy Culture". I love it! Good description of the problem.

[@richardreddick5681]

When a people claim to be "The chosen Ones" it has a tendency to create animosity.

[@barunmitra8778]

An interesting and humane discussion on divisive issues. Thank you. Rather than focus just on the content of any particular belief, perhaps one needs to consider the extent of alienation in the larger society. Therefore an urge to belong to a special society that provides a space and recognition for shared values.

[@eatmanyzoos]

what is wrong with modern scientific values. be kind and good to people because people have heathier lives in a functioning world and innovate and progress so we can become in balance with nature. why does anyone need god or an alternative theory, its just methods of control. non rational beliefs are intentionally crippling.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

Their values rest on a foundation of willful idiocy.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Is that what football is for?

[@terrythompson6570]

Ivremeber when conspiracy theories were only held by a very tiny minority of people. I blame social media for spreading disinformation and conspiracy theories and generally distracting people feom urgent issues like global warming and inequality.

[@tuckerbugeater]

People conspire all the time. Law enforcement doesn't investigate every crime.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Anything is justified to say to and about flatulents.

[@devaldyjonathan]

flat earth: ridiculous simulation: yep yep possible 🙃

[@The.world.has.gone.crazy...]

🤣🤣🤣

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

Well it is. Its also unfalsifiable so it hardly matters. Flat Earth is of course ridiculous because anyone can easily test it for themselves.

[@klahanie14]

The Earth is not round, it's spherical.

[@BartdeBoisblanc]

41:24 The part about politics connects to what you talked about at the beginning of this video. What turns everything into binaries now is the ability for everyone to be in a filter bubble and the algorithm is selecting for the strongest reaction ie Anger or Fear of those outside your tribe. Democratic governance doesn't work if we only as you said take positions of all of nothing arguments.

[@bensonbrett30]

Well said.

[@whittedlawncare]

Referring to the Mark Sargent tee shirt, it’s a “call back” to the movie FIGHT CLUB. (He had a name. He was Robert Paulson, we’re all Robert Paulson.)

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

The Flat Earth Society has branches all around the globe.

[@deanblake5727]

She needs to rewrite her book in light of what's been happening in last few years.

[@jenuelarceo6030]

her voice is soothing

[@tacitus539]

@6:12 Interview begins

[@deprogramr]

My basic sense of this kind of stuff, is that the world gave low IQ people a forum, and they spoke... lol

[@guacamolekid3899]

These so-called high IQ people have some of the least common sense I've ever seen.

[@deprogramr]

@@guacamolekid3899 as they say, common sense ain't so common these days...

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@deprogramr none of you guys ever answer a question with anything but some kind of cute phrase- you all do not know what you are talking about- that includes every single issue- You are programmed to dismiss half the available information out of hand- all you learn is the lies that they want you to know- that's why you have to pose and say stuff like common sense bla bla bla- Q is a military a military spec op- there supporting provisions and exec orders and events that support the fact that it is real and we watching the final stages- is it 'normal' that DC is locked down and fenced off like that? No- Do you know anything about the ACT of 1871? No. Did you know that Trump consolidated all military power into special forces on the way out of the door? So many more things that you don't know about- so common sense tells me that you don't know anything. If you don't mind being lied to then just keep on believing...

[@deprogramr]

@@guacamolekid3899 You didn't get the joke, that's ok.... Much of your comment is mere projection of your own soul, it would seem. To understand that, you would've had to study psychology, not formally either, you could just listen to a bunch of youtube videos about psychological projection. Common sense, which as they say is not so common, is about knowing your lane and staying in it. If you want to change society or laws or big top down things, you study things like law, politics, philosophy, and then become useful in changing the systems that you want to change. No amount of internet commenting will do it. The act of 1871 doesn't hold weight in US courts, because laws have changed since then, precedent is also important in law and many precedents have rendered the act of 1871 a deep part of US law, but the claims made about that law are often simply false... "corporation" from the root "corpus=human body" actually has many uses in law... Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong? I often check myself and ask myself this question, and do research into various places to reveal information to me. Often I am wrong in my initial assumptions, and enjoy learning and changing my mind often. I have control over my emotions as well, and it seems like you are speaking from an emotional place. I am sorry if you're upset about feeling wronged in some way, I hope you find the justice or the good life that you're looking for out there. I have faith in you to find a good future in which you feel safe and can trust your fellow countryfolk.

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@deprogramr None of you guys know anything about Q

[@bluewalnuts688]

I like this fella! Brilliant mind.

[@justinludeman8424]

We need a global consensus on flat earth theory now! 😁

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

"Everyone tells me I'm crazy and that tells me I'm the sanest person I know." -Michael Scott

[@guacamolekid3899]

None of you all really know anything about Q though. Do you?

[@kevincurrie-knight3267]

Here's what seems to be the difference in Michael's and Kelly's approach (and why I prefer Kelly's): Kelly: I want to figure out why people believe things that to outsiders - to the majority - seem crazy and fringe. Michael: I want to figure out why people believe clearly wrong stuff, and while doing it, I'll make fun of them a bit. I am a "globe earther" to be clear, but I suspect this is why Kelly has the success in getting flat-earthers and others to open up to her in a way I doubt Michael ever could. Michael is a very selective skeptic, skeptical about things he thinks (and maybe he's often right) are beyond the pale, but I've never seen him skeptical about anything, say, Steven Pinker ever wrote (despite many academics being skeptical about just that). I think Kelly seeks to understand where Michael seeks to reinforce his own biases to himself, understanding only when it affirms that he is correct.

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

Yes, Kelly keeps her laughter to herself because she needs to interact with these people for her projects. People don’t usually like to be laughed at for their ridiculous beliefs and scientific ignorance, so they would likely not engage with her if she were to do so. The closest she gets to ridiculing them in this interview is in her agreement with Dr. Shermer when he does laughs at them. I, however, have no problem laughing with Dr. Shermer at these ignorant primitives.

[@guacamolekid3899]

What do you think of Q? Conspiracy theory?

[@squizzo5809]

@Guacamole Kid you really are just so desperate to validate your nonsense and in turn get validation from strangers on the Internet that you're spamming the same message under every comment even if it has nothing to do with the topic. That's just pathetic and shows how little confidence you have in your worldview.

[@kevincurrie-knight3267]

@@aaronmatzkin7966, "I, however, have no problem laughing with Dr. Shermer at these ignorant primitives." Yes, because laughing at the heretics is an ultra-science-y and rational thing to do. It doesn't smack of quasi-religious fervor at all. You do you, I guess.

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

@@kevincurrie-knight3267 laughing at indoctrinated primitives and their ridiculous mythologies has nothing to do with science, or reason. It has to do with humor.

[@DITRH]

Michael. I emailed you. Invite me on and allow me to show you with evidence that every single claim Kelly made is not factual. I will show you the evidence and allow you to make up your own mind. You can ask me any question you want. I have answers.

[@toby-xo6rb]

I dare you instead to contact FTFE (I know you know who he is) and go on his show instead! I bet you don't!!

[@chrisantoniou4366]

I don't have any answers about the shape of the Earth, but I do have proof! The Earth is a rotating sphere and the proof I will give you now you can refute with more evidence (not more questions, or more deflection, or ridicule)... or you can admit defeat and accept that the Earth is indeed a rotating sphere. Explain how we have TWO celestial poles on Earth. In the Northern Hemisphere the stars appear to rotate around the North Celestial Pole at Polaris from East to West in an ANTIclockwise direction, while in the Southern Hemisphere different stars appear to rotate around Sigma Octantis at the South Celestial Pole from East to West but in a CLOCKwise direction. These observations can be made by anyone at any time when the stars are out, and have never varied. The ONLY explanation is that the Earth is both a sphere and rotating. Even if you don't accept that you can tell anything about the shape of the Earth by looking at the sky, just explain the observations!

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

Didn't professor Dave explain exactly how you are wrong already? We all watched the debate, you had to avoid answering questions that Dave could answer easily lol.

[@cloudy7292]

You have bullshit answers like "spectroscopy needs to be in a container" hahaha. That was a perfect of example of flat earthers not understanding anything.

[@alexbell9855]

Great interview. I am definitely going to get this book. It is interesting that even people who claim they are skeptics can be swept up into conspiracy theories. Michael, you and I both know the organizer of a conference that was called "Imagine No Religion". I believe the organizer of this event went down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theory around Covid-19 and rejected most mainstream science on this. That surprised me because he seemed to be a promoter of science.

[@kevincurrie-knight3267]

I get what you are saying, but I am not sure I see it as surprising. I think when it comes down to it, the best we can ever be is selective skeptics. Not sure if you saw the documentary (Behind the Curve) that Michael alluded to, but there is a really sophisticated sequence where the filmmakers are showing the gathering of flat-earthers at their convention, selling t-shirts, chumming it up with each other, etc. And we are probably supposed to think how this belief system is really sort of an identity for them and the goal of the conference is not at all to question but to reinforce the belief that binds all of them. But interspersed with that sequence is a shot of a science-enthusiast group meeting up at a local restaurant to hear speeches from scientists about how great science is. And then it hits you. The two groups are doing the exact same thing in different directions. (The science group even had pro-science merch.) We all believe stuff that we put firmly out of the skeptical reach.

[@lancewalker2595]

Which Covid-19 conspiracy theories?

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

@@kevincurrie-knight3267 these are not two sides of the same coin. Science is the most reliable method we have developed to arrive at truth and the understanding of reality. Just because people gather together in social events, exchange ideas and reinforce existing ones, doesn't mean they are wrong about their conclusions, especially when they can be scientifically demonstrated, which is why these like-minded people gather together in the first place. Science is collaborative by its very nature. And those participating in science and those who recognize its efficacy and usefulness in understanding the universe and in solving real world problems naturally want to promote the method and its findings. Knowledge of reality is the single most effective way for humanity to come together, to work together, and to proactively address the problems we face. Flat earth, q Anon, religion, and any other such nonsense are a bunch of misfits joining together to address imagined problems with imaginary solutions, real problems with imaginary solutions, and even more threateningly addressing both real and imagined problems with real life consequences. All one has to do to debunk a flat earth is to design a scientific test to confirm or falsify a flat earth, or even to falsify the globe. This is something that anyone who understands science can replicate, regardless if they meet in conventions and congratulate themselves and others on their achievements. Science isn't full of beliefs, it's full of demonstrated results with predictive power that can be replicated upon desire, where results and conclusions are held tentatively, and the strength of one's convictions is equivalent to the evidence in its favor. This is not an exercise that conspiracy theorist or the believer in gods and magic participate. Quite the opposite.

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@kevincurrie-knight3267 Q is real though, no matter what shape the earth is. check out Governance and Integration of Federal Mission Resilience. I've read so many haughty paragraphs such as yours passing judgement on those who you deem to be clueless, but from where I'm standing, I see you all as the conspiracy theorists. You offer nothing- and I'm talking about Q right now, in the way of any indication that you've checked any of it out, or really understand what it is and what it's purpose is/was. Q is a world-wide military operation- it's a 'devolution' plan- The military at the highest levels, if certain conditions exist, have no obligation to accept the president as commander in chief. If THEY have proof or consider the country compromised or captured by the enemy, or under attack- even biological or electoral, then they can choose not to follow the executive president's commands. That's what's going on right now. What is happening in Ukraine is a clean up mission to destroy the deep states infrastructure there- the bio labs, whatever was going on in Chernobyl, the money laundering, and other dark ops. Ukraine has long been a cess pit of deep state corruption, and they've been stealing billions from the people for years there. That's where biden's and pelosi's kids etc are sitting on the boards of energy companies that are proven money laundering operations. Taiwan will be next. And Israel will be last.

[@dickmonkey-king1271]

@@guacamolekid3899 I just don't get it. Who is Q? How do you know that they are who they say they are? How do you know you are not being manipulated?

[@Xenophon122088]

Excellent conversation and guest speaker!

[@frankiecal3186]

They're are no conspiracies and you're government loves you. 😮‍💨(Cough)Edward Snowden,Julian assange,Daniel Ellsberg

[@robertlunn3678]

I began to listen to this after listening to a few of his podcasts. Then I started to listen to Kelly Weill and Shermer start to rationalize and justify this nonsense. The problem is not the inability to find a way to include flat earther, the problem is they exist. These two almost promote the stuff. “ If you have flat earth in your piece, KZbin algorithm picks it up and promotes”. ( paraphrase) I couldn’t change fast enough.

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

In 2014, you tube did promote flat Earth videos for people who searched for it though. That's when they are talking about it. If flat Earth wasn't around then these people would just fall for the next ridiculous thing that came along. Gullible people will always exist.

[@gj0116]

The globe model is ridiculous. Earth is flat and stationary.

[@-Fritz-]

Prove it.

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@-Fritz- does water curve? I'm not seeing that- they've run laser experiments that prove that the curvature that's supposed to exist does not-

[@-Fritz-]

@@guacamolekid3899 _" does water curve?"_ What shape is a raindrop?

[@A15degreeperhourdrift]

@@guacamolekid3899 You need to watch self proclaimed "flat earth leader" Jeran Campanella (Jeranism) proving earth curves with his own version of the Bedford Levels experiment. Absolutely hilarious, and also the reason why flerfery has completely abandoned any form of experiment or measurement, they know the answer, and it ain't flat.

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@degaussingatmosphericcharg575 we do?

[@redwatch.]

The earth is flat and is supported on the back of a turtle.

[@boterlettersukkel]

You forgot the 4 elephants.

[@deprogramr]

Okay, after a second listen, there is a theory of truth problem here. See the wikipedia or philosophical encyclopedia articles on "theories of truth"... I think one ought to learn and understand how the word "truth" has these multiple meanings and understandings... If you are too much in a single category of what "truth" is, I think you will inevitably be disappointed and lack an important understanding of how the world works, or at least how the word "truth" works.

[@samrowbotham8914]

You are both misrepresenting what is said about the geocentric model by people who know that NASA/CIA has been lying with their claims that they are up in space. I find it funny that you both believe you live on a painting. This talk is full of logical fallacies and people use them to mislead others.

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

What did they misrepresent? When did they say they live on a painting? What does that even mean?

[@andrewphoenix3609]

Just wanted to pickup on who was at the jan 6th insurection. Lots of FBI and other agencies, who encouraged the insurrection instead of stopping it. So lets not fall down the msm rabbit hole. If your a true skeptic dealing in facts then you need to also highlight the actual conspiracies.

[@nullpointerworks4036]

Furries, alrightty! Can't wait about her findings 😉

[@joediesen1]

Why don't the flat earthers pool their money together and charter a plane? There must be a few pilots among the flat earthers. Then they can fly the plane to the ice wall and get photographic evidence. Imagine if the 16th century explorers just talked about what they thought was on the other side of the big oceans instead of actually getting off their asses and exploring it for themselves. It' seems like the flat earthers like asking questions more than they like getting answers.

[@lowercase18]

At minute 32 they start talking about some of the "proofs" of flat earth. She quickly brings up ships over the horizon and skylines.. What's the "certain point" where you CAN'T see the skyline??.. Miles? Is it a constant?. Are there variables??. Plz do tell.

[@boterlettersukkel]

Is the weather a constant, kid?

[@lowercase18]

@@boterlettersukkel great reply. I mean it's a question for an answer, one which I had already asked the same comment. I said "are there variables?".. On a foggy day you can't see 10 feet ahead of you. I know what you mean.. My question for you is, where can we see a curving horizon? How far-out before we see it curve, say ahead of you. Or how far up before you see it curve to the sides of you?.. Do you have anything?

[@boterlettersukkel]

@@lowercase18 Ships still keep disappearing hull first, kid. There is no way you can change that.

[@boterlettersukkel]

@@lowercase18 When you see a horizon you observe curve. Horizons only exist on globes. On a flat earth everything would just fade in to the distance. We never observe that.

[@lowercase18]

@@boterlettersukkel WHERE do you observe the curve? A specific distance given an accurate environment? At a certain altitude despite local weather conditions?

[@kjaze]

Isn't the problem belief itself? I don't believe in hats, but I'm wearing one that is quite useful right now. It's existence is obvious. I don't believe in a round or a flat earth, but I know my feet in my truck's floorboard. That's good enough for right now. When people believe in something, they identify with it on a personal level. Therefore when the topic is attacked, the believer feels personally attacked. Then believer is mentally engaged on a fight or flight level needlessly, in my opinion. Observing with detachment dissolves this energy exchange. People who feel compelled to constantly profess and challenge beliefs no longer coax engagement. On a slightly unrelated level, continuously examining the lives of people who you feel to be deluded and logically dysfunctional is a good way to feed a superiority complex, or camouflage an inferiority complex. Just saying...

[@tuckerbugeater]

Do you believe someone might be conspiring against you right now?

[@kjaze]

@@tuckerbugeater there is no need to believe in something when evidence of its existence is before you

[@lowercase18]

I keep hearing "antisemitic" relating to flat earth. If ANYTHING flat earthers stand against "catholic jesuits". Since accepted history shows the primary figures of creating the globe model to be related directly being in high stand with the catholic Jesuit branch. Copernicus, keppler, lemaitre..

[@cloudy7292]

The globe pre dates Catholicism by a very very long time so that's just nonsense. The globe actually pre dates Christ. That's how ridiculous your statement is.

[@lowercase18]

@@cloudy7292 you say "the globe", as if there has been one consistent globe throughout time. Do some deep research and you'll find that philolaus had a different mechanism for the "the globe" as did Pythagoras, as did aristarchus. You'll find that the supposed erathostenes didn't even have a clue for the distances down south. And of course, all of them weren't taken seriously whatsoever. And they all had heavily erroneous distances compared to each other and compared to your current globe. No globe in history has been the same. Zero. Inconsistent as can be. Now we get past the early baseless notions of the early globes and we get to the names that you probably know. Copernicus globe didn't work like the previous ones and his distances were also massively flawed. Keppler took actual observations from the leading astronomer of his time, a geocentrist with a fixed earth and gave you, without proof, yet another globe, because none of the previous ones were anywhere close to being proven real, possible or accurate. Both of those last names were high up in catholicism. And it was only after those two that some kind of globe approximating your current belief started being implemented by the catholics. Primary examples are the America's, where no globe models were used and Asia, where they had a flat earth and dome model going back into time as far as we can tell. Until the jesuits came along and destroyed it. So, unlike the inconsistent many globes in time, the vedas show earth sitting on water inside of an egg like structure. As did the summerians and hebrews. As did the father of scinece the Greek thales. As did the Nordics as did the Chinese as did countless other people throughout time and from all parts of the earth. And as so many of us now still do. Same model, consistent throughout time, recreatable.

[@cloudy7292]

@@lowercase18 Hahahahaha just more utter nonsense. Sorry but you don't get to rewrite history and suddenly decide new things instead. Reality doesn't work that way. Finally, a globe is a globe and certainly not in any case, a flat disc. The ancient Greeks and even more so the ancient Arabic world, categorically knew the earth to be a globe and of the same proportions we know today. Their geocentric model clearly shows the earth and every other planetary body we can see, to be a globe. End of story.

[@lowercase18]

@@cloudy7292 you think because you say "end of story" you are correct??. That's but scientific at all. That sounds a lot more like some religious cult. Which part was utter nonsense btw? Specifically. Also, I'm not rewriting history. Those are just facts. A flat disk is exactly what thales, the Greek father of scinece said we see. Flat waters with land on it, inside an arching structure. He even calculated eclipses. Now you're saying the Arab world was more influential than the greeks??.. Either way the prevailing model of a fixed earth, not spinning or orbiting is what ruled the land for over 1400 years. And when it ended, ptolemys model was again brought up with brahes model. Another fixed earth. Facts is facts. History stands against your wobbly globe.

[@lowercase18]

@@cloudy7292 also, not one "planet" we see in the sky is anything like earth. Comparing them to earth is nonsense.

[@manifold1476]

WTF are these people trying to say??!!! @11:02 the lady flubs a pronunciation AND IT'S IGNORED! FOUR SECONDS LATER, @11:06, Shermer flubs a pronunciation AND THAT'S IGNORED TOO! What is this language coming to???

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

What did they mispronounce?

[@mrpopo8298]

Michael McShermer

[@kencreten7308]

"They shouldn't be having sex! Those humans!" I love that. "They shouldn't have the drive to reproduce!" Hahah Yeah, that's going to happen.

[@guacamolekid3899]

The vax is going to take care of that.

[@kencreten7308]

@@guacamolekid3899 Uh... ?

[@konyvnyelv.]

#antinatalism

[@kencreten7308]

@@konyvnyelv. That's clear as mud. Does everyone speak in cryptographic language here? Or maybe they just have an "I'm really clever," complex?

[@Selina.]

But in the Bible it mentions that the earth is a round spinning globe… surrounded by darkness and so forth. Yikes. Read up on these things before mentioning it first.

[@thomasjaggers3576]

Now we have to define "globe earther". Hilarious. It is the geodetic spheriod.

[@jabmyarm6446]

Unfortunately, this book was long on flat earthers and short on conspiracy culture. Even more unfortunately, it intimated the shallow perspective that conspiracies are borne of the right (political, religious, or otherwise), with little juxtaposition to adherents of conspiracy theories from the left. For example, think Democrat operative Chris Lehane and, of course, the subsequent articulation of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" by Hillary Clinton in 1998 (and after). This book is mildly entertaining with respect to the history (and stupidity) of flat earth believers, akin to watching a crass Jim Carrey comedy, but it missed an opportunity to be more intellectually enlightening with balanced insights about thriving conspiracy culture in American society.

[@duyduhh3798]

Black people being hunted by cops.

[@gocartism]

Most conspiracies today are on the right. The GOP is d9minated by conspiracy crackpots.

[@johnlinden7398]

What kind of flat earth model do these flatards show i ? In relation to the sun , moon , planets ,the galaxy and cosmos ? Surely , any model produced would be impossible to demonstrate this !

[@customisedfitness]

Smart & beautiful!

[@davethebrahman9870]

This was absolutely hilarious. Here were two people, supposedly educated, discussing the ways motivated thinking and political bias influence people’s thinking…. and they went on to take examples of such concepts, applying the most adversarial of interpretations, FROM ONE SIDE OF POLITICS! Ahahahaha!

[@lisakuntzman7834]

There is no flat earth gees

[@robincollins1647]

it's not anti-semEtic, it's anti-semitic with an "I". There, I've said it. Carry on.

[@PMKehoe]

Why predominantly right wing examples? :)

[@deprogramr]

Fair question. I've had more than enough conversations with people about white supremacy, racism, defund the police, etc. that are just as full of unfalsifiable claims. Often people in those camps are completely shut off to sources that disprove or even challenge their assumptions.

[@markksargent]

Long Live Flat Earth

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

It's already dead lol

[@boterlettersukkel]

There is this very tiny thing about flat earth. YOU have to present *EVIDENCE* for your claims. When are you going to present a map of the flat earth that conforms to reality and that can be used for navigation? When are you going to present the model of the flat earth that explains all observations? *What is be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.* No map, NO model, *NO FLAT EARTH.*

[@1p6t1gms]

An interesting and enjoyable upload today... I would also think there is a specialness about us, if only to notice as of today anyway, the rarity of consciousness known in the universe. I hear it is a very big place to live in... I would not like to be responsible for cleaning this universe up from all the confusion, perhaps a diminutive part although would be most favorable.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

I don't get the rights position on abortion. Having control over ones own destiny is a Right virtue. Unwanted children are most likely to need support from the state, have a horrible childhood, be more likely to get into crime in later life and not be well balanced citizens going forward. I would prefer a policy of minimum force up to and including lethal force in preventing criminals from illegally crossing the boarder but I would also have free abortion clinics in every small town.

[@gsp4prez]

Holy shit! You had me in the first half!!

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@@gsp4prez I better clarify that before the totalitarian Marxists at google council my youtube account. I am not talking vigilantism or as a punishment. A nation that does not police it's own boarders is not a nation. Criminals crossing your boarder should not be tolerated and should be reposted using the rule of minimum force. If minimum force is lethal, then that is on the person crossing if they refuse to cease in their criminal activity and turn back regardless of all warning.

[@dannystefanovski5513]

This is what you believe the eatth is . Phoshopped make belie

[@qtuttle4697]

Because of your cognitive dissonance you'll likely not investigate the following easily observable flat Earth system proof. The moon rotates during its transit from horizon to horizon. Helliocentricity calls it field rotation, but only the moon is rotating as much as 180 degrees. While stars next to the moon and therefore in the same field as the moon do not. Many don't rotate at all and only the ones near the poles are actually rotating. The problem is that the moon should not appear to move independently of stars around it in a single transit. This is a simple fact and the official claim. Yet that claim is easily proven false by simple observation.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Because of your cognitive dissonance you'll likely not investigate the following easily observable sphere Earth system proof. There is this little-known, super-duper-rare natural phenomenon, where the sun drops behind the horizon every 24hours... When you find the hole in the flat earth where the sun hides at night (or can prove the magical version of """perspective""" that flatties claim...) let me know, OK? Don't fall off the edge, Special Ed...

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Wait, you think the moon has a "transit"?!? A "transit" of WHAT, specifically? A "lunar transit" would just be a very weird, made-up way of describing a thing we call "A SOLAR ECLIPSE". (And WHY exactly do you think the moon shouldn't move independent to the stars? And... you think that some stars rotate, and some don't?!? Bruh... Your "proof" only "proves" that you have a really, really, REALLY poor understanding of the most basic, middle-school astronomy. But YOU are the big-brain, free-thinking, totes-not-indoctrinated genius, who's spotted the gaping, easily-observable flaw, that centuries of both professional and amateur astronomers, as well as pilots, cartographers, cosmologists, surveyors, were all too stupid to notice? Dang, lucky we have someone as clever and clear-thinking as YOU, to find out teh REAL troof, so now now you can show all those hundreds of thousands of dumb, stupid, brain-washed, working scientists, engineers, professional and amateur astronomers how things REALLY work, isn't it?

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@baconsarny-geddon8298 What about Q?

[@dickmonkey-king1271]

Dude. Come on. Just stop and think. What are the chances that YOU are right and millions of astronomers and scientists and brilliant minds are wrong and have been wrong for hundreds of years about something so fundamental?

[@guacamolekid3899]

@@dickmonkey-king1271 They've lied about everything else- Do you think the moon landings happened?

[@JeshuSavesEndTimeMinistry21C]

Gossip, Small Talk Irrelevant Non Approval of God's Word

[@bensonbrett30]

Explain your evidence.

[@jameslabs1]

Don’t worry. This to shall pass. Thanks

[@13satyakamsharma]

bot comment for increasing visibility

[@MikeHunt-rw4gf]

Algorithm.

[@howardmann8689]

Iraqi dinar revaluation

[@lynnkempen2219]

She shouldn't be writing about that which she doesn't understand.

[@toby-xo6rb]

Ooh, sounds like you have some special "hidden knowledge" that only you and your special friends are privy to, and that no one else such as Kelly could ever possibly understand!

[@cambee3070]

I agree. She sounds like all she did was google “what is flat earth” and wrote a hit piece book about her finding lol

[@toby-xo6rb]

@@cambee3070 LOL Sounds like it is you who is trying to do a hit piece on her!

[@gsp4prez]

Can you explain the issue to us?

[@boterlettersukkel]

End you should not comment with you limited knowledge of basic physics, geography, geometry and navigation.

[@sunbrown8536]

i bet flat-earters also believe gravity is also a conspiracy.

[@VladyslavKL]

🐬

[@bobcharles7933]

I am with Bret Weinstein. 'Conspiracy theory' is a misnomer. They really should be called 'conspiracy hypothesis'. Almost no conspiracy theories are absent of ALL truth/facts. Accept the 'theory' as is and test whether it comports with demonstrable reality. Labeling someone a 'conspiracy theorist' is no better than yelling that they have kooties.

[@toby-xo6rb]

The problem is, flerfs rarely conduct any experiments to test their "hypothesis" (and when they do, they always double down and purposely misrepresent or misunderstand the results thereby proving themselves right in spite of the experimental results that have proven them wrong). You know, I once lived in a town where every swan I saw was white and that's a FACT. Therefore, I knew all swans were white. Then I visited Western Australia where I saw a black swan. So my "facts" didn't support my hypothesis in the end. You get my point?

[@lisakuntzman7834]

Flat earth isn't one of them sorry

[@johnr.b.murray3417]

Nothing wrong with a typical Jew facade except for the fact that there is absolutely nothing behind the vapid sophism.

[@earth2005]

exodus 20 7

[@danielgautreau161]

Your guest says the flat-earth woman in the bar was nice. But when your guest told her that she had in fact flown non-stop from America to Australia, the response was " No No No No No" which is anything but nice. If I say you are either lying about your personal experience or deluded about it, I am not being nice.

[@davesantiago1827]

If you were to bother to look at some of the NASA videos they claim is real you would be a fool to believe anything they say. And you said behind the curve 😂 go watch flatten the curve with airline pilots showing you its flat

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

Why do amateur astronomers see the same things in space as the photos NASA takes?

[@princenamor1939]

She has a left wing agenda... lol I didn't know the flat earth clowns were all right wing but she seems to think this to be true.

[@sonofyahweh8]

The inspired scripture says that the earth cannot be moved. Gen 1: 1 Yahweh created corruptible TIME, Space and Matter. Yahweh created an empty sphere universe. Then Yahweh created the earth in the centre of the empty universe. The earth this very day is still in the centre of the sphere universe. It cannot be moved. Around our sphere earth Yahweh created our sola system. Around our sola system Yahweh created our galaxy. The earth, sola system and galaxy are still where they were created nearly 6,000 years ago. . The earth cannot be moved. The earth is spinning in the same place it was created, The sola system is spinning in the same place it was created, The galaxy is spinning in the same place it was created. Yahweh tells us He created all the galaxies and Stretched them out. 17 times in the inspired scriptures Yahweh says He stretched out the heavenS. ALL the galaxies are spinning. NO galaxy is moving, Just spinning. The earth and all the galaxies are still in the same place they were created spinning. The earth is a sphere, Tilted 23 degree's, spinning once every 24 hours, traveling around the sun. So says The Creator Yahweh. Yahweh is going to put the earth back into its creation orbit of 360 days in a year in September. Yahweh will show the world that the flat earth teaching is a LIE. ALL who believe in a flat earth deny Yahweh's Power. ALL who believe a flat earth reject Yahweh's perfect observable, testable , repeatable laws of Science. So it is written

[@toby-xo6rb]

Thanks for this. A lot of rational folks often wonder where this flat earth nonsense comes from and the answer is - the bible and religion. Thanks for sharing and helping to debunk flat earth (and religion).

[@sonofyahweh8]

@@toby-xo6rb Daniel 7: 4 - 7 is a duel prophecy. Yahweh is telling the last generation when the false messiah comes. Dan 7: 4 The LION is England and the Eagles wings are America. Dan 7: 5 The BEAR is Russia with 3 other countries. Russia is getting the 3 other countries starting with Ukraine. Dan 7: 6. The LEOPARD is not known today. The Leopard will see seen by the last generation ONLY. Dan 7: 7. The 4TH beast is the FIRST one world order. Out of the FIRST one world order comes the false messiah. Dan 7: 8. The false messiah destroys the FIRST one world order. Dan 7: 11. Dan 7: 12. The first 3 beasts of daniel 7 will be alive for a season and a time LONGER than 4th Beast . 1 Year and 3 months. THEN Yahweh repeats Dan 7: 4. Yahweh separates America from England. THEN Yahweh destroys the British empire for all time. Dan 7: 4. THEN Yahweh repeats Dan 7: 5. The BEAR goes to Yahweh's LAND and devoures MUCH FLESH. Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 is the BEAR in Dan 7: 5. THEN Yahweh repeats Dan 7: 6. . THEN Yahweh repeats Dan 7: 7 and the 4TH beast becomes the beast in Rev 13: 1- 5. The little horn in Dan 7: 8 is satan's literal genetic son. The beast in Dan 7: 7 is the earth broken into 10 Peices. 10 Presidents ruling the earth. Dan 7: 23. The beast in Rev 13 : 1- 5 is the earth divided into 10 KINGDOMS with KINGS. Satan's son will be KING of these 10 kings . Satan is copying the bible. Daniel chapter 7 is the big picture of the last days before the second coming. Daniel chapter 8 is the BEGINNING of the big Picture. The RAM is Iraq and Iran. Dan 8: 20. The goat in Dan 8: 5 is the united nations and the large horn is America leading the way. Dan 8: 8 America breaks into 4 kingdoms. Dan 8: 9 Satan's son comes out of 1 of these 4 Kingdoms. Satan puts America back together again. Rev 17: 8. America that WAS, IS NOT, YET IS. Rev 17: 8 The people on the earth at that time will MARVEL when they SEE the beast that was, ( The united States of America.) IS NOT, ( America broke into 4 Kingdoms.) YET IS. ( America put back together again. Satan's literal genetic son will be crowned KING of America. America will become a literal KINGDOM with a KING. The KING of America will be satan's son. Dan 8: 21. Satan son will go to Yahweh's LAND and sit in Ezekiels temple and call himself God. 2 Thes 2: 4. Satan's son will be crowned KING of the world. KING of Kings. Rev 13: 1- 5. Dan 12: 10 says the wise will understand these things to at the time of the end. Dan 12: 4 and 9. The inspired scripture says the sinners will not understand. Dan 12: 10. What then is the conclusion of the matter for now.?? Dan 7: 5 is commencing to pass this very day. This shows the inspired prophecies for the last generation are coming to pass. What manner of Spirit of Godliness and Holiness should we be. Heb 12: 14. Looking for the coming of these things written from the foundation of the world. 2 Peter 3: 10- 13. WEEP and WAIL you rich men for you save your riches for the last days. Remember Noah. For it is written: As in the days of Noah so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son Of MAN. The truth I tell you this day: " The days of Noah approach. " SEEK Yahweh while He can be found. Rev 22: 11 will be fulfilled before the time of trouble and the great tribulation commences. FEARFUL scripture. The wise will understand. Dan 12: 10. Father : WHERE are the WISE.??? It is all written.

[@spridle]

Man Michael has sure lost credibility.

[@sketcharmslong6289]

Um why? Not to me, I think he's great

[@billlyons7024]

@@sketcharmslong6289 Conspiracy theorists hate him with a passion because he destroys their nonsense.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Yeah, what kind of a whacko questions something as sensible and evidence-based as flat earth?!? Obviously the Sphere-earth/Industrial Complex has gotten to him!!!

[@spridle]

@@baconsarny-geddon8298 he lost credibility during his debate on Rogan. He gets called out and rightly so.

[@sketcharmslong6289]

@@spridle so he lost his credibility from one debate from about 4 years ago. Why are you still watching his channel then 🤣