Flat Track VS Supermoto

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[@MrCrazycharles]

You just killed future supermoto builds😂 flat track everything

[@stampydragon2739]

Supermoto racing is done on tarmac and off road and normally on tighter circuits than flat track

[@lynettenixon7599]

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[@ssbbmoto]

Tires, thats why most dirtbikes on the street use 17" wheels, lota street tires available to choose from but not many 19" street tires.

[@stampydragon2739]

Don't forget supermoto is designated to do tighter turns than the flat track at spead

[@anterokunelius8555]

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[@loreljacq5744]

So true amazing group of pros. 😎

[@vtecmossy]

Flat track seems the best of both worlds for off and on road fun was going to build a super moto possibly flat track now 🤔, ktm flat track project next 😂 then it will be veri fast and veri awesome

[@holidayracing4741]

JDM n Euro Mossy hey, 2 time Minnesota amateur flat track champion here. Flat track tires are too soft for the road. They are also not dot approved. Keep in mind we race on hard packed dirt. Not even joking that dirt can get as hard as concrete. Also, we drop our suspension. If you put flat track wheels on your Ktm you will have to drop it so the wheel doesn’t rub on the fork seal protector things. Do the supermoto, you’ll have more fun and it will perform better

[@jakobstalheim5185]

@@holidayracing4741 a state over we have concrete tracks

[@vtecmossy]

@@holidayracing4741 am only building a bike for fun not major milage and competing, will be 50 50 on road and off road with mountains so be better for me to be flat track set up over supermoto as I have a road bike

[@jakethelittlesnake6258]

Check out sumo rain tires, look some what similar to flat track tires. Prob won't give you the same traction on dirt though.

[@0141star]

Jdm enduro I'd thoroughly recommend flat track tyres on any supermoto it's incredible compared to 16/17in sm wheels I've done it to my 450 and 250 gas gas factory supermoto excellent fun

[@axume9427]

10:53 if you don’t wanna see the wheel switching

[@joulianmayo1020]

i know its a year a go but thx man 😂

[@rastik5452]

I think that the most people build the supermoto, because you need small front wheel, when you want to go fast the hard corner. Like race specials has 16,5 front wheel. Smaller wheels = easy turn. (mean on the road). Just my opinion. And i don´t like, how the flat track wheel look. :D But nice video! And that end is the best!

[@TheKtm300rider]

I think that the main reason people go with the 17" wheels on the sm is because sport bikes tires are readily available in the 17" sizes, and not in the 19's.

[@castor5001]

Remember classic flat track do not use front brake and run in flat dirt, that's the reason you need a larger diameter front wheel. Just try run flat track with smaller front tire and you will found out.

[@antiago1983]

For a flat track setup you should lower the suspensions, to lower the center of mass and get better control whil going sideways, hell yeah. Kawasaki is ALWAYS cool, even with paper wheels. :D

[@SuperLEEEDWARDS]

Hi Guys from the UK you have just changed my mind , i was going to supermoto my 2016 bought brand new wr250f but now im defo going flat track i love those wheels tyres combo ,i will have best of both worlds grip in the dirt and grip on the road and where i am moving to it has a very twisty long through mountains road plus it has an old Quarry just for mx cant wait to order my new wheels tires soon keep the vids coming guys i also learn a lot from you changing tires brakes everything realy so a massive thank you from the UK CHEERS.

[@stuntfreaksteam]

Happy to spead the flat track idea to the world 👌 send pic when you have that bike done bro😎👍

[@maltekocks9557]

Hey scoobs idoo. Have you done your flat track built? I was planing to do similar to my 2016 yamaha wr450f so i was interested if you could give me any feedback how it worked out. Hope ill get an answer, alltho this comment is from two years ago :D

[@1anre]

Love the way you lot give this information out for free and make the content very natural to watch.

[@crazynomad3840]

Omg you solved the expensive supermoto conversion issue, looks fantastic !! Carnt wait to try this

[@lolrpgLP]

Nice ! Im riding flat track for about a year now and i think its the most fun motorsport i have ever done

[@tm_ipod9142]

I watched this video and did the same to my wr450f. Had a bit of a head fk with the rim width Turns out the rear Will fit 19"X 2.50 and the same on the Front. It looks beautiful. And its not to shabby on the weekend trail rides 👌

[@bennyb.1742]

A better way to do a cheap flat track conversion is to take the wheels apart, put the stock rear 19x2.25 rim on the front, and buy a 19x2.5 or 3.0 for the rear.

[@CoachSludge]

Thats not how that works, the rear hub is designed to have a sproket mount and is physically thicker than a stock front hub. The rear would never be able to seat right on the front forks.

[@dietjohnson3370]

@@CoachSludge i think you dont understand how it works, Ben Boyd probably means to put the rear rim on the front hub, you need to assembly the spokes again, but it would totally work.

[@kokihiwatari3202]

alomost stock rear wheels are 2.15...

[@lukiotemmi]

Or just buy a flat track rim for the front

[@johnrichardson8048]

Don’t you think you’re kind of comparing chalk and cheese? Ya kind of need the same bike with each wheel for a fair comparison.

[@Alex-qf7bh]

I’ve been in between putting street tires on my drz400s or doing full supermoto conversion I like how the sm has a wider wheel and tire

[@JuhisRacing]

It looks funny but it is not the point ;)

[@oliverheldens1298]

Jonne

[@fu33l]

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[@eliassuominen2711]

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[@nikolashatinen7339]

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[@timbao548]

Hey Can u guys buy a yamaha mt09 with danmoto xg 1 11000 rpm please its POWER FUL

[@ThisFinalHandle]

That's a pretty good argument for flat track conversion. Cheaper, less modifications needed and better traction on dirt; tradeoff less traction on road and doesn't look as cool.

[@tysonDK]

True. Super moto looks way better

[@antoniofranklyn5923]

but then yu need to ask yourself, how often do you require all the grip of a tire when you're riding on the road?

[@TheGardenSnake]

I’d be interested to see a head to head on the same bike and same rider and same tires (same tread and rubber compound just 17 and 19). I bet for off road the 19s will win but on the street the 17s win. I just wonder if having 19s could be a fun compromise between Supermoto and dirt. I know I ran my wr450f on the streets as a Supermoto and a dual sport. In dual sport mode I could run away from all the Supermotos off road but once on the street I had to really slow down for the turns. Maybe 19s with grippy rubber could let you lean and push hard through the turns. Of course one thing to remember is most street legal dirt bikes or bike people would convert come with a 18 inch rear rim. So it would still cost a lot to convert. I bet a lot of those bikes couldn’t squeeze a 19 back there. But I love the look with 19s and really want to try it.

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[@RedEmpire36]

Definately gonna test this out on the WR450F - was considering buying a MT07 (mainly just commute on my supermoto), but running 19s would be fun for awhile and could even run some of the trails around here easily (flat, mostly for 4x4 trucks)

[@sadecebirordek]

Almost 30mins of pure entertainment, I must be in heaven 😍😍

[@sullivandesignccs]

Gents PROBLEM!? - Did you end up having a problem with the front tire rubbing the fork seals when suspension compressed?? (I had this set up on my stock CRF450L it rubbed really bad on fork seal (blew off the ring) -- apparently you HAVE to lower it to clear the fork seal first 😑 (I went to a narrower flat track tire up front sadly)

[@sullivandesignccs]

Anyone?

[@neggo4290]

dual sport are the best in my opinion, made to travel long distances on and off the road at cost of some tooth in the sprocket you gain higher top speed and less vibration while you are traveling and you can pack them with a lot of stuff and still wheelie, lots of bike come with Rally kits so you can make a rally bike like they use in dakar race. for me the best are husqy 701 and other non racing engine becouse if you are planning to do a long trip you dont want to mind the bike if its good or its going to have a problem EDIT:also Rally kit install on a ktm or husqvarna would be an awesome video

[@MaxMustermann-bm7qt]

I love the 701 as supermoto, but i really dislice the enduro. Because it's far less agile than the 450 or 350 or all teh 2strokes and a lot harer to handle offroad. On the other hand if you are really strong and can do hillclimbs and jumps with the 701 you can ride a n y bike offroad! So cheers

[@RedEmpire36]

@@MaxMustermann-bm7qt 450l is a good option for this reason

[@d.d.h6749]

almost all dual sport bikes are banned in the netherlands because of regulations :( except F 850 GS bmw but is more than 15 000 euro.. with lots of shit electronics which are complex to fix when you're on adventure in some foreign country... While all the good reliable japanese dual sports which are reliable,cheaper,easier to fix are banned. FUCK THE EU.

[@Zwiepmoto]

And now a race on the street! 😜

[@nuutine]

Fuck street racing :DDD

[@mxrider2strokebraaap54]

Awesome video🔥 Bike looks so sick😎

[@SupermotoCentral]

That was a fun watch! Nice one guys!

[@Smightification]

those wheels do look so much better!

[@caccadu12]

There are two problems with your flat track bike. For one the front brake is ditched and second the whole chassis needs to be lowered in order to be closer to the ground for sliding in the corners or more stability on the straights.

[@randomvbg7653]

Iam thinking of building a supermoto but with flattrack wheels, do you know if I can buy a 19" backwheel and put it on as a frontwheel or do i need a special 19" frontwheel?

[@MrMrrome]

Flat track bikes don't have front breaks anyway. Losing that lever was an accidental improvement. 👍

[@stuntfreaksteam]

😁

[@TRAIL325]

ive got shinko 705 for my 21/18 rims, they do really good off road

[@lucywucyyy]

it looks really good, the tyres look cool

[@d3tach3d]

Question: So for the front wheel you just buy another rear wheel and install? Or do you have to use the hub from the front wheel and spoke it up to a rear sized rim? I cant find any info on how to do it. Just supermoto wheels kits and what not. Also where would you even buy the wheel for the front all ready to go if you do have to do the whole respoked front hub/rear rim thing

[@PoorCoyotee]

I would like flat track tires on my bike but in the end the thing is, that those are only decent at both street or dirt. Its like buying all season tires in to your car here in Finland, you can deal with it, but you really don't want to. But on the other hand it really just depends where and how you like to ride you bike for most of the time, flat tracks ain't a bad option.

[@clawsss]

what else do you need than dirt and street in finland? its not like its gonna snow until the new year anyways

[@pushmotivation-__asher1335]

This tires look perfect 👌🏽

[@braapman9879]

When you add a 19 in the front, do you need a special front hub? Or can you just add any rear 19 inch in the front?

[@xandersons]

supamoto looks just awesome. fun vid with the crash sell! yuha is the crazy pro and annti is the brain, makes a great team. today i bought a new back smoto tire, if i knew this a couple hours earlier, i´d have decided for the flat track. keep up the good vids!!

[@lukaturklin4031]

Juha and antti

[@musicwhiz711]

I've wanted to build one of these bikes ever since I saw that video too!

[@matiasturunen2950]

Link to the flat track wheels?

[@aleks_the_Great13]

Thank you for video... I'm planning on doing 18 front 18 rear on my tenere 700... 💪🤩

[@dakotap.8317]

Could I get a link to where you got the graphics tape from, looked everywhere on the internet and couldn't find anything similar to it. I have a ktm lc4-E and can't get a graphics kit for it so I just want to do what you did to the kawi and cut out my own.

[@maxnilsson2213]

Supermoto wheels makes it easeier to turn in tight corners and they are more stable to do wheelies on for the stunters

[@adolynch]

Very good video, very honest test. Congrats on your new KTM Juha!😂

[@actionfaktory]

What size tire are you running on the rear? 140? On a 2.15 rim

[@supercraizy]

I want that 19 inches wheels on my 610 husqvarna!

[@GoldCustomBuilds]

Wich 610 you have ? Maybe the ie modell 🤔

[@stampydragon2739]

I get the same performance out of my 125cc flat tracker as I do my 125 cc super moto with mud and snow tires on my super moto id say it was mainly tires that hindered your performance

[@michaelrega6134]

Wich tires an rim did you use for the flat track build?

[@deanqrs1209]

Love the video but what flat track tyres you using and what the exact size

[@ihak707]

I use a flat track bike on the streets, but that's just because its basically a enduro/super moto hybrid. So I can go on the road and off road

[@StiliyanStoichev]

What tyres and set up? Width of the wheel ?

[@rafaelmolina123]

What a cool friend. Nice review. I was thinking about buying some Dunlop k180 for my spare dirt bike wheels rim19 and 21 instead of buying super moto wheels and tires for my newly rebuilt RM250

[@DanBrianGerona]

What're the general specs of a flat track tire? Like tread and size.

[@Motoinc]

Where did you get the GREEN STICKER ON THE MX WHEEL?

[@ken-ev2uk]

Thinking about building a flat track for road but is the front brake strong enough?

[@Robertsol8]

I've seen everything on instagram, great bike

[@janolewilhelmsen]

What wheels are those? Guess I need a 19" rear aswell for my EXC250.. :S

[@stampydragon2739]

I got my super moto straight from the manufacturer I brought a Sinnis Apache and got Sinnis blade wheel set for off road use it’s a 125 but that’s the class I race in they also do a 200 and 250 version

[@dionlembut]

info on wheel/tires dimension pleease. thank you

[@a64738]

I did the supermoto thing with my WR450 but I am definently not doing that with my 2019 KTM 500 EXC F as I want to be able to go offroad also. I have always been thinking you don`t need to go full supermotard and something like flat track tire pattern should work ok on tarmac and gravel....

[@jeekdkw.2149]

I want to see more of the 300

[@randalloshbough3259]

Love this channel come to east Tennessee

[@Sn0w1981]

Also my experience that recording lap-times often leads to crashes.

[@AngelGonzalez-zx9io]

Where did you get or buy the front 19 inch wheel?

[@AgainstEvil8]

Omg I want my garage to look like this 😍 🤤

[@pastathemechanic7536]

Right 🤩😍😍😍😍🎁💰💰💰

[@ricokoegelenberg1150]

Hi There! Great Vid! What performance mods have been made on the KTM?

[@drestarss]

Can i put a flattrack tyre 140/80/19 on a 2.15 rim? i want to use the rear wheel. i have Honda CR250 from 1998

[@-silvereast-6712]

hey guys i got a question if i wanted to turn my crf250r 2004 into a supermoto what would i need for tyres and wheels

[@leo1046]

Test flattrack tires on a 85cc

[@Northernliiights]

No put them on a pw50 and create a black hole.

[@CoachSludge]

@@Northernliiights I did that on my pw80.

[@mt1885]

Do you makes camos graphics for Suzukis RM250s?

[@metsafox2986]

So cool, I want both now... very fast, very awesome!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

HUH! I thought flat trackers used 18 inch wheels. Put some sliders on that KTM frame, keep the radiator from getting bashed in.

[@nigelwolfe6150]

Was amazed how fast the KTM LOOKED...I thought for sure would have lower lap times but I guess just an illusion based on seeing that bike whip pivot around obstacles....

[@David-rv9kj]

where did you buy the front 19inch rim?

[@ShooterMcgavin6]

Was it the dual sport tire or the bigger wheel that made a difference. Hard to compare a Supermoto tire to a dual sport if you ask me

[@beufnicolas]

Very nice video! Can you tell me the brand of the front rim and the tires and where did you get it please???

[@javacloudsz4215]

what are the front and rear tire sizes for the flat tracker ? Please

[@timbao548]

Can u guys buy a yamaha mt 09 2017 with DANMOTO XG-1 exhaust its powerful 12000 rpm

[@MrGrusev1]

what tyres are you guys using for the flattrack?

[@reyandrade9619]

What brand are those flat track tires ?

[@12345kylemann]

I've watched so many dirtbike videos on KZbin and they all look the same, this one is different. It looks the most realistic with all the uneven terrain and the way the bike bounces and sounds. I dont know why but this makes other videos look unrealistic? Maybe I'm wrong, just how I feel.

[@2hunnid.z285]

Front fender says Eli Tomac, is this his mechanic

[@KILLAFORD41]

I have a ninja 650r on the street that was turned into a street fighter. Still will like to put a turbo on it and change the gears for higher speed. Tired of 137 mph top speed kinda boring after a while but not the handling because of it being light

[@calumkz]

you have to do the test with the same model bike and same tire type on both and same rider and just change rim size one bike with supermoto other with flat track rims for a fair test.... maybe also make the track 50% road 50% offroad that would be a super interesting test

[@mikkomanninen9471]

Which one is faster Summer moped or Winter moped

[@coryellis12]

So did they make a Eli Tomac edition or are those just graphics?

[@keith_hudson]

Woooow! That looks so good. Way better looking than sumo.

[@Diego_CS]

Which size of tyres has the supermoto? Good video 👌

[@CainSample]

it would be easier to put a 17" flattrack tire o. a 17" supermoto rim.....still smaller but good traction

[@liamgunby6289]

Where did u get the wheel from thanks

[@ereltuz]

nice video! but in my opinion a flat track or stock wheels with road tires are not very different to each other. beacause the frontwheel is 21 inch.and now its gonna be 18 or 19 inch(my husqvarna's have 18 and 19 inch rear wheels) so a flat track is also just for the looks(thats my opinion) and i see you guys have FLY helmets..i also got a FLY helmet,whats your experience with this brand? greetz!

[@MadPilot_]

Interesante, no sabía de la existencia de las flat track bikes, mi motocicleta es una doble propósito y tiene 17" en la rueda trasera y 19" en la delantera. ¿Poniendo una 19" atrás tendría una flat track y poniendo una 17" adelante tendría una suoermoto?

[@marcelomar3143]

" pretty awesome, pretty fast"

[@9ine303]

Looks ace! Grip just aswell as the supermoto?

[@kallesvensson3952]

flattrack almost look like speedway in the way they are taking the curves

[@eliascamara3155]

Wich is better for stunt tho??? 🤔🤔🤔

[@diegorivera7956]

son muy excelentes videos, pero deberían poner subtítulos en español. saludos de colombia

[@ken-ev2uk]

Please help me what size is the front in 19inc I now but the reste how wide???

[@Ironheartbart]

You schould really try it with michelin power supermoto rain tyres ;)

[@berfus7823]

what size are the flat track tires?

[@jonniebyford7747]

Y'know guys, I have been reading a fair bit on the demise of British Speedway. It really seems they are on a downward slide. It's a real shame but the more I think about it the more I think the clubs should go the way of Flat Track racing. The bikes can be bought off the shelf from the big four manufacturers too and although the single speed Speedway bikes with no brakes would have no future, the tracks themselves could be modified and have a future. There is also Flat Track in the States and elsewhere which would mean international competition. The bikes look great too and the youngsters (who are the future and much under-represented) would be sure to want to get involved. It's taken me a while to put this down in a comments section and if I were to do so in a Speedway video I would come in for some heavy stick from the diehards and the purists, but c'mon, we really are up against it with the future of Speedway in the UK, so something has to give. Everything changes with time, but this would be a change for, dare I say it, the better?

[@zachsacks3972]

I think you guys should build a track and test all your dirt bikes, pit bikes, cross carts, and all your other crazy cool vehicles to see witch had the fastest lap time

[@lilmidgey6927]

What tires are those i want to buy a new wr250f and convert it but its hard to get those kits here in Croatia so im really likey likey those tires what are those :)

[@za1831]

what tires were they though?

[@nigelwolfe6150]

I would not let maniac ride my motorcycle! LOL....that guy is WILD!

[@DigitalZombie90]

Where did you buy those wheels?