Flexwing rigging - PeaBee FOX-13 wing fold

[@wwdlm02]

Brilliantly simple design by Ben Ashman, superbly demonstrated … nice work Giles👍

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi David, it is a wonderfully simple desi, that others have tried to duplicate but not succeed.

[@nigel9903]

I know you've taken me through it a couple of times on the aircraft already, but this is still invaluable for a newby. Thank you, Giles!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Nigel, I'm glad it was helpful and also you have the wonderful rigging tool for the ADAM wing.

[@comeflywithlee433]

for someone who knows very little about flex wing flying this was interesting to see.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Lee, I hope it gave a little insight into the lighter end. The Bigger heavier Flexwings are a lot more effort and do most remain fully rigged. The Joy of the Flylight designs is they are a joy to rig and de rig.

[@clippedwing-bensmith1614]

What the bloody hell, nothing like I imagined Giles! Thanks for taking the time to make this, I was delighted to see it pop up! After watching how the frame all locks together, I have more appreciation for the design of this aircraft! The way it all just pops up and out is marvelous! Awesome!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Yes, Ben has really but the time energy and effort (from loads of experience)in the PeaBee design. It makes going flying less stressful.

[@NicholasStreet]

Very useful, Giles. If it brightens up a bit I'll take mine up to the strip and have a trial rig this evening.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

What colour did you go for in the end Nicholas?

[@NicholasStreet]

Red one. Ben used it in the video featuring a couple of supercars but the video doesn’t seem to be there any more. Just sold my old Doodlebug and put the cash towards an Oudie 5.

[@PAPilot53]

Hi! Thank you for sharing this! As a hang glider guy I was definitely not bored. You satisfied my curiosity!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I was unsure if it would just be boring as it must be very similar to rigging your wings...less the double skin. I'm glad it wasn't.

[@SVSky]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 It's exactly the same but not boring.

[@AnthonyVella]

Brilliant! Smashing! Oh behave! The opening of the video felt very proper. I appreciated it! Variety is the spice of life. Loved it. More! More! Encore!!!!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Haha, oh behave.

[@justhangini6706]

Riveting stuff Giles I like that wing fold kit , going to copy that one for my Aeros ant which will be arriving Sunday . First solo in the morning in the xt tourer then the rest on the Aeros 😁👍🇦🇺

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Paul, I'm glad it was helpful. Safe flying down under.

[@BenAtkinsonVideos]

Interesting stuff! And amazing how quickly that wing goes together - great video!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

It's definitely no C42, but I can say it is mine. Yes, its so simple and even goes together from the car and trailer in less then an hour which is great for fly-ins.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Had to watch again - I've been struggling with my TrikeBuggy w/NorthWing Solairus setup. My control bar has to be dropped go down infront of tire and then go under my trike frame to lower the wing to working height. On top of that - lifting the wing up to the fly position is hard as it lifts the front wheel. Trying to think of work arounds. Should of got a PeaBee😍 Cheers

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I feel very fortunate that Ben has worked out the kinks on the rigging side. I've helped a few pilot rig and derig the P&M Quick and Quantums, your description sounds very familiar. Are you able to make a weight bag or jig to hold the trike in position?

[@patrickmckowen2999]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Yes I thinking of carrying a couple kettle bell weights in the car with me but that would mean a couple more items to bring, and then I would still need to chuck the rear wheels still when lifting so it did not roll back. So I decided to see if I can make a Linear Actuator do all the work. Getting very lazy in my older years🤣. I will still need to use front support brace -- I have to take at least the lower section off to let the control bar pass through but I am hoping I can on collapsible as well so I lock it in trailering mode -- dont want the actuator to carry and load in the fly or trailer mode. Also wanted to ask - how much twist, if any, does the PeaBee get in the main mast with a cross wind when you are tacking off. I noticed it considerably the other night while doing some taxi practice -- something I have not noticed at all in my Instructors Airborne 912 training trike. I was noticing at least 50mm on the control bar. Just wandering how common it is in the smaller trikes. Should I be up grading my main mast to something thicker if this is not common. Cheers

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@patrickmckowen2999 that sounds ike a little project to keep you going. Regarding the twist, there is a little bit but it is mostly if the lower play bolts are not super tight. I've noticed it on all the aircraft that I have flown, when landing in a crosswind.

[@stone8597]

Great video....thanks much. The "quick fold" kit is quite ingenious. Just to let you and others know. If you go to KZbin and look for "Fox 13TL Rigging" there are a number of videos showing how to rig and de-rig the Aeros Fox wing. Thanks again,

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Yes, I'd seen them which gave me some ideas for making mine. The TL is slightly different but I know what you mean.

[@asquaddie]

Very interesting and very simple method.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Tony, yes once I'd got my head around it. It's kind of why I made the video to help others.

[@TomGarner4505]

That wing fold really is good. Good to see im not the oly one whos got the nose fairing stuck!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

It was funny the first time, after that it was just annoying.

[@WiltshireMan]

Good stuff Giles. Never knew you had to lift the wing almost umbrella fashion til it went click:) Now you can fly in the rain:)

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Not sure I'd fly in the rain but it makes a wonderful sun shade.

[@Eon46]

I have been building up saving for a paramotor for quite some time and I'm now considering to switch goal to this.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Try and get a tandem flight on both, that might help you decide. It was a flight in the back of our local tow groups flexwing microlight that cemented it for me, even though I had been paramotoring and freeflying paragliders for over a decade. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIinZ6GEn9Bri80

[@Eon46]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 I'll definitely tandem both. Do you recommend a book that deep dive into the flexwing, so I can start doing some homeworks?

[@robcoastalga8279]

I have been doing the same thing. Stumbled across a great deal on facebook market place. Finally got my paramotor. Teaching myself to fly it, slowly and carefully. Not recommended though. Will get a nano weight shift one day!

[@SVSky]

Single surface wings sure go together fast!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I've never rigged a dual skin wing but I can imagine there is extra work with the lower batons etc. I like the fact that the wing just derigs onto the trike and I can rig it standing up. I'm slowly working my way through your video collection, good content.

[@alwatt9367]

Really enjoyed this and your previous videos thank you

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Glad you like them!

[@chrsfrwll]

Rigs hang glider...13 minutes. Rigs paraglider - shakes it out of the bag. Remembering why I moved to the latter 😉. Like the look of your container hanger. Neat idea.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I'm sure you remember the lugging it up the hill as well. The PeaBee feels like a fold away aeroplane. Hope you are well Chris.

[@chrsfrwll]

Golf Foxtrot 22 Yep, lugging it up the hill, sometimes down the hill, rigging and derigging, reprofiling battens, transportation and storage issues just to name a few. Every time I think I want to get back into flex wings I just remind myself 😂 All good thanks 👍

[@GodzillaGoesGaga]

This is the reason I want get into flexwing. Paragliders are PITA when you get line overs from pulling out of the bag. Also you have an engine.

[@richardturner4950]

Great wing fold kit. Am going to make one for my Magic /Laser. The use of a fair length of strap at the wing end is obviously to to give some flexibility of movement to prevent strain where the tubes meet at the nose due to rise and fall.. The length of strap which remains inside the wing is not really visible. How is it attached to the tube? The other end seems to be attached to the removable bracket by means of a pin or bolt passing through a drilled hole in the tube. Is it as simple as that? Would really appreciate your insight, thanks, Richard.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

The top end is just a clip buckle and the bottom is a hole in the downtube that fits over a stub bolt. The strap length is about 14 inches, but as you say, it allows for flexibility and just supports the weight with the end being on the outside resting on the outside leading edge.

[@richardturner4950]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Thanks for that. How does the strap attach to the wing tube? I promise that's the end of the interrogation!!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@richardturner4950 haha, its fine. It just loops round.

[@richardturner4950]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Great. Think I can manage that. Thanks

[@dealchr]

Hi Giles, I have been following you for some time now and love your videos. The way you have shared your journey in microlights and how you contineu to explain things along the way is an inspiration to me and no doubt many others, so thank you. I do have a question on the wing fold kit as it is something I am very interested in. I fly an Airborne Edge Redback here is Australia and I have been wanting to figure out a way to fold the wing while on the trike. Everyone says it cannot be done however it is a very siumiliar design to your wing so a wing fold kit should do the trick. Any chance you can do a video or send me some infomration on how it works? At present I have to manipulate the trike in and out of the hangar in a very convoluted way that until recently meant cracking the seat until the bar is beneath the front wheel just to get enough clearance to get throught the door. It is painful to say the least and you always need two people to get it done. It is so difficult that many flying days have been missed simply because of access issues and not being able to get it out on my own. Being able to drop the king post and fold the wing would solve it all. kind regards Chris

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

HI Chris, sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I didn't design the wing fold kit so can't really comment on the specifics of what to do and more importantly, not do when putting a design together. I wouldn't want to cause any structural damage by suggesting an option. If you contact Ben at Flylight he might be able to give you some suggestions.

[@1conchitaloca]

Thanks for the video, I'm looking to build such a kit for my own wing and was wondering if you could help me a bit, specifically with the wing supports, I assume they are made of aluminum, could you tell me what diameter and wall thickness they are? Tia

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi, I think the tubes are 30mm, on slides inside the other. Also guessing 1.5mm - 2mm wall thickness. I hope that helps. It's only for Ground storage, not road transportation.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Is that youre Storage container we see in the background -- I was thinking of doing something similar. Cheers

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Patrick, yes, the PeaBee is folded away in the shipping container. I'm pretty sure it would fit in a 20 ft one, but this one is 40ft.

[@Joe-zw9ep]

Awesome video, what would you say your best lading and takeoff distances are? Thanks!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Less than 30 meters from roll to wheels off and about 40 for landing. But there is no brake and its a very flat approach. I hope that helps.

[@Joe-zw9ep]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 It does, thanks!

[@HG-Pilot]

Thank you for your tutorial. I transport my wing on the ladder with a Tbar on the back. How would I transport this PeaBee? Do you take off (separate) the wing when bagging for transportation? Would it fit on the back of a pickup truck or you need a trailer? Thanks!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hello Anton, when I transport it, I separate them and like you, the wing goes on a set of ladders. The PeaBee goes in a trailer but as the width is only 4ft, it would fit inside a box trailer with ease. I have seen it transported with the wing fitted ( short packed), however, it had to face backwards and the wing was supported in a little U cradle on the trailer shaft. I hope that helps. This video is more for when its stored at the airstrip.

[@nsm3]

Giles, a chance to clarify a point I've been scratching my head over. You fit the wing tip formers, by pushing the OC lock inboard and you stated that you had, up to that point been doing it incorrectly? On Marks (later) video on de-rigging, he pushes the OC lock inboard, to de-rig, indicating that he installs them the other way round? My interpretation of the wing manual is that you install by pushing them inboard, but the photo isn't that clear in my copy. I'm just checking that some new info hasn't come to light. It's possible that it's not that important, but I just wanted to clarify? Cheers, Neil.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Neil, I spoke Ben about this point only a few weeks ago, he said it didn't really matter as long as it is locked out. I've just found it was easier to have it bent in an angle so I can put it on the tang, then in the wing little webbing loop, then push it away. It is always good to check.

[@nsm3]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Thanks for responding Giles, I suspected it wasn't a major issue (direction), so long as they are in situ and locked? It was just niggling away at the back of the mind!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@nsm3 no worries Neil. I'd be the same.

[@GodzillaGoesGaga]

I’ve been watching a lot of hang-glider videos. Was curious if you get waterfall events happening in powered trikes (waterfall being a nosedive due to exiting a strong thermal). Or does the engine mostly power through those ?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I think it answer your question honestly, those type of conditions are very very extreme and you have to ask yourself, should I be flying with such a strong lapse rate. If you have inadvertently been through a thermal that has caused it to surge forward, brakes control your pitch, power controls your height. I hope that helps.

[@GodzillaGoesGaga]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Thanks for the resonse. This was the reason I asked. This was next my paragliding training site (Mission peak is a P3/H3 site). Was curious about how engines change things, if at all. Obviously trikes can’t fly in these soaring sites due to restricted airspace. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5LaZ5x_f9F5h7c

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@GodzillaGoesGaga thank you for sharing. I don't think you'd be paragliding in those conditions anyway. The trouble with watching too many videos like this, is you can scare yourself out of actually flying in the first place. Taking baby steps and progressing in safer conditions will help. That looked like a very unstable airmass which is why the other pilots all landed. Thank you for sharing.

[@GodzillaGoesGaga]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Perfect answer. Thanks.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@GodzillaGoesGaga I do try 😉

[@daviddixon2166]

Wow Golf! I'm an old triker and I have a king posted Cosmos 12.9 La Mourette wing. I love this wing but being king posted, I was forced to bag my wing when hauling it. This video has solved problems I've battled with for years! Could you do a more detailed video of how this all works Please? Thanks DDDave

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I'm not quite sure which aspect you are referring to?

[@stratotramp6243]

Going to be going round in circles with this Giles🤣Why the differing trim left and right? Guessing to counter prop rotation or is it an ergonomic / weight / human factors thing?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

In short, yes to counter Torque, there is not rudder but flexwings are yaw stable so a little roll trim keeps it straight. Flexwings are voodoo.. Lol

[@BrianTurboT]

Nice one Giles ... One question ... those three little screw holes at the tips (forget now what you called them - ?trim adjusters?) ... are they to make a slight compensation against 'roll' ... torque from the engine/prop?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Brian, in short yes. The trim adjust screw is to correct roll. The pitch is only adjusted by the hang point (on this machine). See earlier video. Can't wait to catch up in person at Winglands one day.

[@mydreamtofly5081]

excellent, thanks

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

No problem.

[@mydreamtofly5081]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 I'm 3/4 of the way saved up for mine. Been up to see Ben and Dave, very helpful.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@mydreamtofly5081 You won't regret it.

[@flybe146]

Hey, Giles, this brings back wonderful memories for me, my goodness it does, when I used to own a DS lightning Microlight back in the '80s and I used to rig that, putting in all those batons! Can you just confirm for me that you don't need to even get or sign a medical declaration to fly these aircraft because they are under 70kg is that right?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

No medical required at all. There is no licence so no associated medical, other than self assessment of fit to fly. I'm glad it brought back happy memories.

[@motorcyclehiker3551]

The manual from Ben says the tip rods pull forward to lock?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Yes, he did tell me afterwards.

[@sam18529]

Great video! Thank you for sharing. What is a brand and size of your reserve? Thank again and happy flying.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

The reserve I use is the APCO Mayday reserve. I couldn't see the size and didn't want to unpack it. I've just checked the website and its going to have to be the Bi version (200kgs), as the physical weight matches.

[@pedro9860]

Hi!, with the wing folded, its trailerable?, many thanks!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

It can be but you need to short pack the wing as well as support the basebar. I hope that helps. There is a video on Flylights or Ben Ashman's KZbin channel where they trailer one of the machines in this way. It genuinely takes me about 45 minutes not to be flight ready from the wingbag and trike in the trailer.

[@pedro9860]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 thanks a lot!, I need to storage at home my sub-70 but time to be ready to fly is important if you want to fly regurarly :-)

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I agree and that was an important factor for me as well

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Excellent 👍 Cheers

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Thank you, cheers Patrick.

[@cantabricofulo]

Hi, great video, how much hp has this engine?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

The Moster has 25 hp. It's almost too much for a sub 70.

[@cantabricofulo]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 thank you so much.

[@cantabricofulo]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 hello, how much is the only glider weight, withaut tirke and engine, and how long is the wing span, excuse me for ask but, I have 2 big hang glider an, I was thinking to use it for a trike.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@cantabricofulo the glider the Fox 13 T is 25kgs, its 13 sq meters area. not sure on the wingspan.

[@Make_Boxing_Great_Again]

The obvious advantage of the paramotor is that you don’t need a strip to take off from. The obvious advantage of the pee bee is the speed and efficiency of flight. I’m completely puzzled why no one has come up with a device that has a weight shift hang glider wing but with some nice big mountain bike wheels and suspension so that you can take off and land from any old field with half decent grass.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Coincidentally, I have a future video where I literally take off from a rough field in my Peabee. I completely agree with your comments, one is not better, they are just different.

[@Make_Boxing_Great_Again]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Can you think of a reason why no one has come up with a weight shift microlight with mountain bike wheels?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@Make_Boxing_Great_Again probably practicality as they are not that strong in side loads.

[@Make_Boxing_Great_Again]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Yeh but you just have to point it into wind and not take off in gusts.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@Make_Boxing_Great_Again I do like the fact I don't have to land into wind.

[@steelpix]

how tall would you say the wing is on your trike once folded and trike stored?

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

About 6ft, I'm 5 '6" and it's a little taller than me.

[@steelpix]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 so with the wing fold kit, there's no reason I couldn't travel with it all on a trailer as long as i give some extra support to the rear of the wing when its folded on the trike.

[@DanielJonesParamotor]

Always thought these were much harder to put together but you’ve made it look very easy indeed. Now how much money do I need to save? 😂

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

It was a bit of head fart when I first started. Any hang glider pilot would have laughed because this is there bread and butter. The wing fold kit really helps the process. I'd wait till next weeks video to see what the differences are between Paramotors and Flexwing Sub 70.

[@masdarssito764]

Conducview the wing size

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I'm not sure what you mean? This might help. www.peabee.co.uk.flylight.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Brochure-2019.pdf

[@flyingkub]

Not bad rigging time for a hang glider wing, I remember taking about 30mins to rig my glider. My wing fold is faster without all the battens to put in (just saying) :-) Not often I can say my aircraft is faster than something!!

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I do like your aircraft, its got loads of character.

[@flyingkub]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 Thanks. Yours is a fun little thing as well, one stage up from the Doodle Bug (or the mosquito I flew).

[@nur5ey1]

Great PB instructional video Giles, for those pilots that get their craft home, standing in their field scratching their heads wondering if they're set up correctly.. Ben..when are you starting to pay royalties?! Haha..😉👍

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

I hope it helps others rig their machines in an easier fashion. No Royalties, all for fun.

[@edgars00789]

How much is this sport cost in USA

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Edgar, welcome to the channel and I've seen your comments on a number of my videos kind of asking the same thing. The US have different rules and regulations regarding flying so I strongly suggest you get hold of your local flying school for either flexwing or paramotoring as they will be able to give you a better understanding of both aircraft and training costs. I'm glad you are enjoying the videos but I can't really answer many of your questions regarding costs. I suggested Gliding ( Sailplanes) as you don't generally have to own one. Additionally if you can't afford powered flying then maybe look at paragliding and hang gliding. I hope that helps and never give up on your dreams.

[@edgars00789]

@@GolfFoxtrot22 thank you my friend

[@prasadareddy1723]

What's it's price sir

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

The Peabee, depending on the configuration is about £11k. I hope that helps.

[@prasadareddy1723]

Golf Foxtrot 22 ThanQ sir

[@hanschannel8827]

Berapah harga y saya ingin membeli y untuk di indonesia

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Jika Anda menghubungi www.Flylight.co.uk, mereka dapat memberi Anda detail lebih lanjut.

[@BreedingPacmanPMsaya]

Please trnslte To Indonesian sub brother 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

Hi Fajrin, I'm not sure how to.

[@faizkhanofficial4397]

Nice to meet you. How much 1pick 😃😂😘😊

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

They are about £10k, but Flylight offer different options. Give them a call or email.

[@themechanic4222]

WORST THEN IKIA

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

If only IKEA made aeroplanes ;)