Flying Cars Have Arrived! eVTOL Panel: Archer, Joby, Wisk | All-In Summit 2024

[@eamonshields2754]

Awesome show guys

[@shehrozeshahzad4363]

Excatly i was thinking of the Peter Thiel quote from zero to one and it came in start!

[@donaldjohnson-e8f]

And these still aren't flying cars, let's be honest. Unimpressive.

[@lotuselitess888]

so much yes -- sending love from Phoenix

[@alexf7414]

I’m liking this without even seeing it-All In, always on top of their game.

[@jgconnelly]

Great! Downloaded to take to work. Finally, something besides politics or hurricanes! 😅

[@thevoid2403]

finally something other than regarded political takes

[@pray4mysynths]

I’ve had experience at all of these companies and let me just say that Joeben is the real deal who genuinely believes in this future he has envisioned and cares about the people on his team. Larry Page started Zee Aero after what I’m assuming seeing Joeben present his electric motor( kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4WcqpSVf7h-rs0si=kCggL_4JxcdxLI0k ) which then eventually became Wisk. Archer cropped out with many engineering jumping from Wisk to form Archer. Let’s not forget Brett Adcock also helped found Archer and create the team that moved fast and catch up to Joby. Adam leaves that out for whatever reason. I believe more than one company will succeed but the vision of Joby is the most original, clear, and creating the wave that allows the others to comfortably ride on. Not saying it’s easy for the others but give credit to where it’s due.

[@blackstone3469]

Yeah that is the future! That is the Gamechanger! Go for it!

[@CostcoSamurai]

The Volocoptor from Volocity should be flying in Osaka by 2025 for the Osaka World Expo.

[@Goodlookingjedi]

Yeah, go New Zealand!

[@Cinnabuns2009]

And in the event of a malfunction or lets say, EMP/solar flare/etc all motors cut and person pulls the manual parachute deploy to carry the vehicle quietly to ground?

[@ProductiveDude]

Top notch

[@traceybamforth_lavatreefar1716]

I’m excited! 5th element vibes.

[@aculeus1971]

Shame not to have Lilium represented on stage. Their eVTOL electric jet is very sophisticated and nearly ready for production.

[@InfoSopher]

Yes. And they are in danger of running out of money right now..

[@kenjues1594]

@@InfoSopher true. The speed, fast to slow, to productionize innovation Ehang, Joby/Archer, Lilium

[@tz6516]

Not a jet…just ducted propellers.

[@harbifm766766]

They all scams, including Lilium ...who cares..

[@kenjues1594]

@@tz6516 what are you talk about? Non of these are using jets

[@JohansLundgren]

This years summit has been fantastic! I think Friedberg mentioned an Adyen interview at some point? I would love to see that one!

[@LogixXtreme]

It was just released today!

[@garychartier8365]

It seems crucial, even if ordinary operation is automated, to make possible a passenger takeover of vehicle in case the automated system fails or, even more disturbingly, is hacked.

[@Hexrocks]

I'm shocked Lillium wasn't represented as well.

[@sonny_coates]

perhaps because it’s an EU (German) company? But, I agree… it’s the most beautiful design. I know Palantir is involved with them

[@moonwalker2]

Everyone likes the look of liliums design but they have missed every milestone and have been unable to prove it works

[@sobo90]

The tech potential is proven. They are quieter, safer and potentially even cheaper than trad copters. The key challenge to me is around VTOL pads and trained pilots. Those are going to be constraining variables, not the Evtols themselves

[@GeorgeGodula]

Ama-zing!!

[@kenjues1594]

China is ahead of us on this. If you have been paying attention to eVTOL for the past few years, Their regulatory body moves much faster.

[@tz6516]

China, rightly or wrongly, is ok with making mistakes. Their solution to affordable housing was to overbuild high rise condos. Oppps. But they do accelerate the time to adoption. China can build an entire city in the time it takes LosAngeles to approve the archetual plans for a single building.

[@jeffking3693]

Interesting, the only manufacturer shipping (my neighbor bought one) is not there. the pivotal helix

[@johnwalbolt]

Cool talk!

[@hnlkitup]

@15:57 did he say "just to double click on this for a second"? Are we saying that now?

[@tishzlyrea]

I’m not sure if this is even affordable…how much is the cost per mile to use against an Uber?

[@alexanderpope3250]

very coool

[@andymac3107]

1-person flights - Jetson offers something small and much more portable

[@Hexrocks]

Lillium has by far the best design.

[@berone1642]

lol

[@dude3678]

Flying cars will never work until the noise somehow gets solved. 1 small drone is loud. Imagine everyone's car.

[@leoboo]

Archer is pretty quite, to my surprise

[@Tony-kj2me]

Work on your pitch boys. Good luck

[@DavidFekke]

So these "aircraft" have a total range of 50 minutes. If they intend on carrying passengers under current FAA rules you need enough juice to get to an alternate plus 45 minutes of reserve. So according to my math they would only be able to travel for about 10 miles. I am not sure how this will ever work in the United States. I am assuming they would operate under IFR as part 14 CFR Part 135 rules.

[@FrancoisBesnierUS]

The reserve is 20 minutes per Part 135 rules (VFR, daytime, helicopter). www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-G/part-135/subpart-D/section-135.209

[@AaronRClark]

Joeben Bevirt, don't know the guy but seems like a stud. Goddamn awesome to see someone with technical acumen speak up

[@geekwithabs]

A 1000 of these flying around would be noisy like crazy.

[@FrancoisBesnierUS]

eVTOLs operate with remarkable quietness in flight, offering a notable advantage over traditional road traffic. Unlike the noise of freeways, eVTOLs can maintain a safe distance from ground-level activity, and even a slight increase in altitude significantly reduces the sound heard on the ground.

[@sonny_coates]

Where’s Lilium? It’s got, by far, the sleekest design and already has an FAA license

[@vvampire868]

Why are any of these options better than Blade? Seems like main roadmap for these guys is to create fix routes to avoid traffic, especially starting to/from airports. Blade already did that.

[@berone1642]

over the price /km/passenger, none of these 3 are really communicating on this. it remains a mystery. blade proposes for example a starting price from 195$ between jfk- manhattan, with a bell 407, one of the cheapest, simplest rotorcraft. jetfuel consumption is not the best with this bell but i’ld say they make 40-50% direct margin on each flight, but after insurance cost, leasing, airport taxes…it’s less. it is a niche market today, future ll tell if it expands…only if price becomes way lower.

[@hlkihglkhglkhg]

I may have missed it but what are the safety features in these aircraft?

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

Multiple propellers with separate batteries packs Fully redundant Evtols day one will be the safest transport on earth

[@ibgib]

21:38 - here is the first the they mention "redundancies". This means that these craft are orders of magnitude safer by design. There are multiple points of failure required for a catastrophic event. So say an aircraft has six rotors. He says that each rotor has its own inverter and battery pack. So if one rotor goes out, or one inverter blows a fuse or battery pack fails, it can still fly. Some online state that even if two fail it could still fly. Also with the multiple rotors, it's easier to escape a possible problem inherent with rotors called Vortex Ring State (at 24:00). So even this issue is apparently addressed with the redundancies (also as they mention with techniques that can break this not available with a conventional helicopter).

[@paulo7200]

The main safety feature is that they will never be certified to carry paying passengers in the US.

[@tz6516]

Math and science…higher safety rating than human intervention.

[@undeze]

@@GraceToGrow-ob3nll would say that multiple propellers in the case of the Joby are multiple single point failures. An engine failure in the hover will quickly create a large thrust asymmetry, either in pitch and/or roll, probably also yaw due conservation of angular momentum. Interesting how in these talks how these serious technical issues are usually glossed over. I think type certification will be these companys’ biggest hurdle.

[@justinwhite2716]

This is awesome. Peter Thiel needs to change his slogan now!

[@DTR89]

passenger drones

[@midwestcannabis]

🥳🥳✌️✌️

[@__________5737]

You are most certainly are NOT guaranteed to fear new technology if you don’t come from an industry but regulate it. Industry can use consultants with regulators. Rare Friedberg L.

[@jamesadler2540]

Why do these things have to be electric? Is that part of keeping the noise down? Feels like not using some kind of fossil fuel based energy source severely limits the range on these things. Disclaimer I don't really know much about the science here and just have a preconceived idea in my head that, even now, you still get quite a bit more energy out of a fossil fuel engine than from a comparably weighted battery

[@kingmidas7170]

Lilium is the Best ❤

[@rickvalmer9306]

No, the best is Eve air mobility owned by Embraer.

[@kingmidas7170]

@@rickvalmer9306 :D never ever

[@rickvalmer9306]

@@kingmidas7170 I have studied evtol’s mkt. Let’s see until the end of 2025. good luck

[@kingmidas7170]

@@rickvalmer9306 For Regional Air Mobility Lilium is invincible. Yes, we will see, my friend :)

[@ExecutiveZombie]

I can’t wait while I need SNAP to afford groceries…. Thank for solving our concerns in society. Why didn’t you answer Friedbergs question?🤨 You danced around an important question. 🧐

[@Sam-br8ft]

What could go wrong ? Let's try flying cars.

[@leemeli7585]

How do you control the airspace above your own property? My concern is harming views and privacy.

[@sooma-ai]

The video discusses the future of electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, featuring representatives from Joby, Archer, and Wisk. They cover topics including safety, regulatory challenges, noise reduction, autonomous flight, and timelines for commercial availability.

[@jaredwood7124]

EH Stock at $17 a share

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

17.98 rn

[@kenjues1594]

@@GraceToGrow-ob3nl it was over $22 yesterday

[@paulo7200]

These will never be certified by the FAA. Part 135 (Charter for Hire) requires an aircraft have enough fuel to fly to the destination airport, then to an alternate airport, and for an additional 45 minutes of flight time. Present battery tech lacks the energy density to make this happen.

[@kenjues1594]

well, Joby can fly over 500 miles with it new technology. They can reserve a buffer for safety.

[@paulo7200]

@@kenjues1594 Source?

[@snozberriesnow]

@@paulo7200 PR available on the Joby site for the 523 mile flight (Jul 11, 2024) , along with the FAA Part 135 certification (May 26, 2022) - google it

[@tz6516]

Those 135 rules will be amended for this new industry. Those rules were written for fixed-wing aircraft that might need to find a distant runway with better weather. eVTOLs can land in a vacant lot. The FAA can be flexible. Who would have foreseen 135 operators flying single-engine airplanes, inter-island in Hawaii??! I still cannot believe it.

[@funnellsites1557]

Never is a strong word

[@donaldjohnson-e8f]

So they basically invented.....an airplane. There is nothing new under the sun, is there?

[@LearnWithBahman]

Autonomous one are like Venmo . The pilot / driver lives in India or Bangladesh 😁Venmo has more operators than their car. However it is cheaper and also you can say it is autonomous 😁😂No one ask these questions from these companies cause they are directly or indirect investors or they don’t want to go after bigger investors. 😂😅

[@james_muller]

Reject Reject Reject !!!

[@InfoSopher]

24:48 "The background noise level in cities is 65db." We all know that cities aren't equally loud everywhere. Many people have their quiet places. Like a walled off garden. Some kind of protected area. Even if it's a public space. This is why I think that people will only accept it, if it will actually be quiet. 45db is not quiet. In particular once you realize how many places this sound reaches. Personally, I'm rather sceptical that the first generation will not have many opponents because of that.

[@bigbobabc123]

do you get angry when planes or helicopters fly over? stop being such a baby over a tiny bit of noise.

[@OwenRULESSS]

I agree

[@AlexanderBrueck]

45 db is actually very quiet. Have you ever heard 45 db? Db is on a log scale.

[@InfoSopher]

@@bigbobabc123 Angry is the wrong word. But it can interrupt me relaxing or trying to take a nap. At least with helicopters there are so few that I know that it will probably be gone for a while when it happens.

[@InfoSopher]

@@AlexanderBrueck Yes I did and yes I know. What you are ignoring is that noise perception is relative. If you live in a quiet area, or have a quiet place, then even a low noise level can be perceived. Just take a look at the PC hardware community and their obsession with fan noise. They don't stop at 45db. They go way further down. And not because they'd imagine it. But rather because PCs are often used in quiet places, such that even 30db can be perceived as too loud. Personally I run a PC with Noctua fans, running at a lower voltage. About in the 20db range. And I still could live with a lot less. Don't get me wrong. I've lived near a loud street. Of course closed windows make a huge difference. But in the end this kind of background noise is scientifically proven to be bad for your mental wellbeing, stress level and in the end your health.

[@Paulo-il8wg]

Where is EVE?

[@davidgkirk]

Please observe that ALL flying car videos play background music so you don't hear how loud and obnoxious they are. Imagine hundreds of these flying over your home all the time.

[@copiousken]

This is not true. Joby has multiple clean video and audio clips. They have published decibel measurements and sound quality reports. In addition NASA has independently studied their sound quality. Just do a search and you can find it. It’s publicly released.

[@Jakeitallup]

I’m not entirely sure you watched the interview 👀

[@rjmilitante2787]

Nice try Diddy

[@Changenow-ze2sl]

These are not flying cars these are just better helicopters with fancy marketing

[@dennty75]

Skip to 24:25 In this video to hear about joby’s decibel rating etc. they’re not very loud. I think joby is quietest with their patented direct drive motor. I think the others are relatively quiet too though.

[@rickvalmer9306]

Nobody from Eve Air Mobility

[@kkaalaas]

to commercial pilots this is a nightmare........the air is already crazy full around big cities

[@RandyRanderson404]

Why? These could stay in a lower airspace while other major commercial stay in higher airspace until they need to get into the pattern at an airport which these wouldn't be near.

[@Merelytemporal]

Toys for billionaires. But that’s what cars were. Until they weren’t.

[@hanshart314]

I invested in the very first . ASDN. German , no pilot. Started @ 48 cents. Bought more @ 35 . More @ 24. Sold. 8 months later it flopped to 2 cents. Overnight it went to 6.52. I could have made 80 k on 500 $. I think bankrupt now. Will buy a little LILM someday as lost 850. Ouch

[@louisliu6488]

China's Low-altitude Economy and eVTOL 中国低空经济与电动垂直起降飞行器(eVTOL) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqrEaWish7WGmLc

[@GloriaW888]

I don’t want a flying car crashing into my house.

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

Cars crash more often then planes sir

[@AntonStetner]

😢😢 look at the current stats. How many cars crash into houses versus how many planes crash into houses or helicopters? And because the data is going to be skewed, because of less aircraft, you need to look at it at the same interval rate like 1 per 1000. What you're talking about is not a problem. It's an irrational fear

[@canadianrepublican1185]

What about the Boeing crash in 2023 "2023_Coulson_Aviation_Boeing_737_crash" no one died, but the pilots had minor injuries.

[@srihariPratapaV]

Why isn't Elon building this? 🤔

[@iplaythebongo]

All of this seems like an extreme waste of a capital and is years beyond feasible

[@tz6516]

They told Elon the same thing.

[@liamlaird1494]

Agree

[@JD-od6tw]

Wen coruscant

[@agitators-ps9yh]

Trump talks about Vertical Cities

[@ljviks22]

No they havnt….flying cars are just helicopters and now these EVTALs. Flying cars are only in the way people dreamed of are ones that fly one minute and are driving on roads the next. That’s never happening due to airspace and road laws and regulations….however helicopters and these are as close are you will ever get and they have been around for decades. So stop with this flying cars none-sense, helicopters have existed forever

[@EJ-vf9qf]

Agreed, this is just a civilian iteration of the military Osprey aircraft. It's still an impressive piece of tech but not a flying car.

[@justinpfortier]

Ospreys have not been a reliable aircraft and only have two rotors. They are also very loud, as are helicopters. Evtols looks to change that.

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

Sure they are basically helicopters but significantly better! Think of Evtols as a helicopter 2.0 Evtols make significantly less noise which will allow them to operate closer to cities without disturbing Evtols can be autonomous which is safe and saves cost on pilots Evtols are less expensive to build operate and on maintenance cost significant cost savings Evtols are far more safer then helicopters because evtols have multiple points of failure and multiple redundant systems Evtols have multiple propellers with separate batteries systems compared to helicopters one engine one fuel source Evtols are the future period

[@ardeshirjahanian2697]

No one wants mass numbers of these things flying over their heads

[@eden5260]

How much will it cost to hire a helicopter for 15 -30 min Vs this ? That should be the major difference. The other is station. Helicopters can only land in specific locations If this can't change that it is going to fail

[@sriramaswamy]

Why are we so obsessed with technologies of the 2200s. Why is fixing our current critical issues not considered sexy. We’re lagging behind on infrastructure, education, insurance, healthcare and others too am pretty sure. Why don’t you bring guests that are less popular but are solving real problems

[@spartan5536]

Because people think these are political problems.

[@gillygoat881]

Highly regulated by government + regulatory capture, and politics makes it super hard to fix. But we still need people to be obsessed with future technologies thats what got us here in the first place!

[@labradore99]

The incumbents don't want these boring problems solved. They are profitable problems and existing players have effective control over legal and regulatory barriers.

[@JayThinksHappiness]

Not everybody who runs or starts a business is focused on the very same problem.

[@TGenoRock]

There really are different dynamics with different types of problems. Give it a different think, and you might understand why we can produce quality food in abundance, but people will simply eat junk.. or why cars allow us unprecedented freedom, but some people are terrible drivers, and some even cause accidents with drugs and alcohol. Some think that everybody should live in a dense city and ride trains. Lots of low res thinking.

[@angiegracie6954]

We have flying cars … they are called airplanes.

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

Planes can’t land without runways which are large Evtols can takeoff and land anywhere which saves on land and infrastructure saving millions Evtols are also less expensive

[@hanselmansell7555]

Oh yeah, like 'driverless' cars I guess, or Musk's amazing 'underground railway' of which they've done about 4km... YOU GUYS ARE A FLIPPING JOKE!!! 🤪😂😂

[@mike77588]

Wtf, 4 people in one plane. That's not solving anything but a nice service for a bunch of rich people

[@davidb7381]

So the rich people are making the roads less crowded for you and me at no cost to us. The problem is?

[@tz6516]

$5,000 an hour for a helicopter. $500 per hour for a eVTOL. Air mobility just went from the 1% to the top 10%. Henry Ford’s first million cars did not go to the middle class. Only IBM could afford an early computer. Pan Am was mainly for the rich….now we have JetBlue and Spirit available for anyone with $200. Embrace the tech even if currently it doesn’t benefit you.

[@eden5260]

Do you usually take a taxi with other people?

[@tz6516]

@@eden5260 Uber offers a lower rate if you share a ride. Full price if you want the car to yourself. Does Delta Airlines offer you the entire airplane? Only if you buy all the seats!

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

China is the leader of Evtols already so America can’t lead on something they already lost Ehang Autoflight

[@kenyamemes3280]

DO they even mention eHang?

[@kenjues1594]

@@kenyamemes3280 yes. But very briefly

[@dimkin123]

Incredible. But i don't care. I can hardly pay 2 x 80k for two "normal" cars in my garage. I am Middle class and don't care about toys for the rich.

[@tz6516]

You don’t care about Gulfstream either then. But their airplanes are selling like hot cakes and the company is the largest employer in Savannah. Archer is building a massive factory in Georgia. These companies provide employment and add to national GDP.

[@struckturedCHAOS]

It's laughable and sad that people believe that if something is too expensive for them, it doesn't affect them, or they shouldn't care. Every novel idea starts off as expensive. Look at every electric car company - they always start with the flagship model (Tesla w/ the Roadster, Rivian w/ the R1T/S, Lucid, etc). Or even look at the first "normal" car, the Ford Model T. That started at $850 in 1908, $29k in today's money. Or even the Edison's first light bulb which was $1 in 1881 or over $30 today.

[@struckturedCHAOS]

Point is, you should care because eventually, every company that successfully makes the "expensive thing," will begin producing it for less and less money until it reaches mass market.

[@dimkin123]

@@tz6516 Every company provides employment and contributes to GDP. This argument just distracts from what i said. Same way as this tech direction may move technology ahead but do not contribute or address the needs of society.

[@DanielzeGreat]

First

[@allin]

first!

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

No Ehang is first $EH

[@ImperialTechReviews]

Clear they wouldn’t talk about the tech to make these quiet because there is none

[@4mIlr]

another toy for billionaires and for those reasons I'm out

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

Not likely because Evtols are inexpensive and they can operate close to cities Look deeper

[@4mIlr]

@@GraceToGrow-ob3nl we need better tech for flyin cars..thats just mini helicopter

[@GraceToGrow-ob3nl]

No Evtols are happening like it or not

[@thomaswilliams4944]

Glad you're out.. more profit for the rest of us.

[@rossnolan7283]

Who is the guy who looks and sounds like Roy Cohn? (as portrayed in 'the apprentice'....) Goldstein's irritating New York type accent and slick but fact free delivery fails to mention his once partner Brett Adcock just as Bievert fails to mention his start with Paul Moller, none of them refer to the failure of vtol even without the deadweight of batteries to contend with. Self serving chit chat that avoids the hard questions.

[@tan_ori]

Yeah no.

[@fred8169]

This company will not exist in 10 years. They are fixing a problem. Why the pilot not flying the plane?

[@mullerszable]

No way do the people want this! To much noise. Accidents will be kill and destroy property

[@squashduos1258]

The big elephant in the room….safety wise flying with strangers who has a panic attack or goes rogue during the flight…unclips the seat belt….no Marshall onboard….that is no go for me! Why don’t they address this?

[@thomaswilliams4944]

Don't go outside, the sky is falling!! Stay in your bubble wrapped apartment...

[@squashduos1258]

@@thomaswilliams4944 it’s people like you on an airplane I’m avoiding…;-) don’t tell me this is a concern of yours…

[@tz6516]

Buy all five seats and your only travel companion will be your paranoia.

[@squashduos1258]

@@tz6516 not paranoid but to think air flight will have people calm just look at the increase of Marshall intervention on regular planes…but I think as a solution if you could lock people in permanently in their seats during the flight like a roller coaster I’d fly. Btw one of the vtols do have a pilot onboard. Just saying…fwiw

[@delarow]

This panel on eVTOLs got my attention. The fact that companies like Archer, Joby, and Wisk are so close to bringing electric air taxis to market is wild. For someone who’s all about finding efficient ways to work and live, the idea of cutting through city congestion with this tech is game-changing. I’m also interested in how they’re handling the regulatory side, especially in the U.S. where it’s always a slow grind. But seeing places like New Zealand adapting quicker gives me hope this could scale up sooner than we think. If they hit their target for a 2026 launch, we’re looking at a real shift in how cities move people around. Feels like we’re finally on the edge of something big with urban transport.🥷