A Sailing Ship With No Masts?!

[@FlyingConey]

We want to rig Flying Coney as a schooner brig / modern brigantine with square sails on the foremast and gaff sails on the aft one. But what is your favorite sailing ship rig type?

[@eddielane9569]

My favorite one is one that stays afloat.?😊

[@Pocketfarmer1]

That sounds like a suitable , attractive and manageable rig. Maybe a boom on the fore mast for really shorthanded trips. Brazil up the squares and sail like a schooner. Keeping flexibility in the sail plan to go with both conditions and ability of your crew will serve you well imho.

[@markrockliff3349]

I know so very little about sail configurations , so I must ask . Your ship will have 2 masts ? And is that considered a ketch . Remember please I’m a beginner!

[@stephencrowther524]

Junk rig !

[@seppoe]

Brig rig (square sails on both masts). Very versatile (ship can be maneouvered in tight harbours, rivers etc without engine if needed…) and you can have lot of sthings to do for the trainee crew… see e.g. Morgenster. There seem to be people who think square rig is dangerous - probably they haven’t sailed a square rigger… modern safety gear and training makes it rather safe. Also sitting on deck with little to do in a fore-and-aft ship vs handling square sails (even only in foremast) makes sailing a lot more interesting. Also ship of this size would need huge downwind sails of gennaker/spinnaker type (expensive, difficult to handle with inexperienced crew) compared with three or so square sails of moderate size.

[@robinfulton9057]

Your new hairdo looks beautiful. The boat project is coming along nicely.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much! ❤

[@MuzzleMike]

You both know what you are doing and want out of this magnificent ship . Myself I am just a retired heavy diesel mechanic . I know you have a beautiful power plant in that boat . I believe in the two of you to put this old ship of the seas back together. She deserves it .

[@FlyingConey]

Flying Coney is now technically in order.The hull is surveyed, the damage fixed and the engine is maintained. So we're slowly getting to the point were we can build up and start the transformation.

[@GerardSaintBlancat]

Beau travail​@@FlyingConey

[@gobic1319]

Great coverage of the skilled workers in the boat yard. Thanks for sharing, it’s great seeing your dream for Flying Coney taking shape.

[@FlyingConey]

The team of the Hoekman Shipyard is quite amazing. Young hard working lads who knows what they're doing.

[@eddielane9569]

Barbara I think your hair looks terrific !

[@FlyingConey]

Straight from the hairdresser this time. Thank you very much ❤️

[@brian.7966]

yes I agree, far better like that.

[@eddielane9569]

@@FlyingConey you are so welcome

[@davidellis2021]

I'm jealous, but then that's not such a high standard.

[@kelly123456578]

keep up the good work, love your new haircut

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you!

[@thomasmoseley6955]

Barbara, your hair looks nice!

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much!

[@kennethwikert2841]

This was a very exciting episode with your explanation of your plans and watching the old mast come down.

[@FlyingConey]

I think it was important to give it some context. New running rigging and new stays would've been at least 4 000€. So in my opinion a lot of money we better save for the final rig.

[@dennisreeves632]

I love watching true craftsman at work. Dearly enjoying your videos!!!!

[@FlyingConey]

Cees is a very talented welder and he was a huge help during this shipyard time. They really have a great team at Hoekman Scheepswerf. I can 100% recommend the yard.

[@ronaldperry2614]

Barbara, your new look, with the shiny hair, its good for you, well done.

[@FlyingConey]

Very kind! Thank you very much!

[@sallyb3]

I enjoy seeing your excitement turning flying coney into a Brig 😀

[@FlyingConey]

Schooner Brig!!!🤣 One word makes all the difference. A Brig has square sails on both masts and would be difficult to handle with the 12-15 people we can accommodate.

[@1401196616091996]

Barbara’s new hair style looks fantastic…..

[@FlyingConey]

That's lovely. Thank you! ❤

[@whitneylake2107]

Happy holidays ! Can't wait to see the new masts.

[@FlyingConey]

We're really looking forward to the rig and to go finally sailing with her.

[@maxiemills6982]

Two beautiful people and a beautiful ship. What more could a person want. Love your videos from Spokane Washington.

[@DD-xx8wh]

top sail schooner..,traditional and beautiful under full sail!!

[@FlyingConey]

Why you prefer the tops'l schooner over the brigantine?

[@StephenPenney-e5x]

Big changes all round. Flying Coney takes a huge step forward to her new life and Barbara has a beautiful new look with her hair style. Congratulations on your achievements and thank you for your hard work producing the wonderful videos.

[@FlyingConey]

It's a lot of fun making the videos. Not easy to film what it takes to refit this large sailing ship and we do have a pretty rough audience. But as long as people keep watching and we're getting amazing comments like yours we keep making them

[@ianfirth-clark5975]

That's is a great move closer to getting her new rig and at least now you can more easily see how she will look eventually. Barbara your new rig looks great now lol

[@FlyingConey]

Right! At least now she looks like a proper trawler. I mean the ship although Barbara is pulling the project along. Thanks for the compliment!

[@johnmorgenthaler3611]

Fantastic work by the small shipyard,great workers and love the pedestal crane!

[@FlyingConey]

The team is amazing! The yard exist since 163 years and if that doesn't speak for quality I don't know.

[@derricklahaie2357]

Thank you for the video. Always so interesting to watch a competent professional at their craft.

[@SavingMaverick55]

Oh man, shes going to be absolutely breathtaking as a fully rigged brigantine. Yeah, that dinky little motorsailing mast had to go. No place for foolish little spars on a proper tall ship. Great work, guys!

[@FlyingConey]

At least you see the Beaty within a true tall ship. Square sails are amazing. I get it, they're outdated. But isn't sailing outdated altogether? She will look stunning once she has her two masts again and we will teach people how to sail her properly and safely.

[@wernerpolzer1904]

KI-Kommentar absolut unbrauchbar!! Es fehlt an Authentizität! Fantastisches Projekt. Wünsche Euch Beiden viel Erfolg bei der Realisierung.

[@FlyingConey]

Vielen Dank! Zum Glück kann man die Sprache einfach zum Original ändern.

[@Harry-bh5dg]

Really enjoyed this vid, great to see how the mast was removed and disposed off

[@LoganJohnson-lm2bh]

Danial of course it had to rain only when you were working 😊.I think for a lot of people they would be happy to have her in her current state .But as you said your both sailors and she was always meant to be a motor sailor .and when the time arrives to take her out under full sail she will show and surprise you and the world how well she moves and handles .I hope Im there to see that big smile your going to have then .

[@FlyingConey]

I think it all depends on what one wants to do with a boat. For shorthanded costal cruising or as a semi mobile floating home the current trawler yacht configuration is probably best. For teaching the skills how to sail a square rigger probably not so much. 😉 We do want to make a circumnavigation after we've finished the restoration and for ocean crossing a sailing rig is really nice to have.

[@LoganJohnson-lm2bh]

@@FlyingConey believe you are correct on both counts there are a couple of of sailing ships that are copies of well known sailing ships in the north west here and they have both outfitted with engines I know 1 if not both were used in the movie pirates of the Caribbean .And i have been on one of them

[@Sircraig7963]

G'day Crew, Removing the old mast is a step in the right direction for Flying Coney, You'll soon have her rigged the way you want . Cool episode. Hey Barbara, the new hairdo looks really nice ,makes you look younger too , woo hoo. Bet Daniel's a happy man . Respect....!

[@T3ki1a_]

The ship is gonna look splendid with her new masts and rigging. Looking forward to it. I'm especially looking forward to the front bit, it's going to change her shape dramatically from what you have. She probably is going to look stunning.

[@FlyingConey]

Yes the bowsprit will have a huge impact on how the boat looks. I'm surprised that most people don't notice the fixed part that is still attached to the bow. Also a lot of people get confused by the length of the boat now it's 82ft but with the bowsprit it will be 105ft.

[@HarrydeLackadais]

Hi kovely couple, Your classic ship will be for sure a beautiful schooner when everything will be ready but it will take a lot of time

[@davidellis2021]

Going to be terrific when she's sailing again.

[@motorv8N]

A wonderful episode and magic transformation! Your boatyard companion works carefully which is nice to see. I hope you were able to get some scrap value out of that mast to put toward drydock fees. That’s a lot of steel!

[@stevebacon5466]

I really enjoyed this video.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much. It's a lot of fun making them!

[@reidnolan4456]

It looks so much better without that mask , can't wait to see the new setup .

[@helmuthuneke1775]

I like your hairstyle Barbara❤

[@dcallan812]

2 masts will be better than 1. It was a long heavy piece of steel. Great update 2x👍

[@FlyingConey]

A sailing ship of Flying Coneys size really needs two masts. With that one little mast upfront she never looked quite right and without context a little bit small. What is your favorite rig type?

[@paratroopermcknight1436]

Good job Bill

[@markchodroff250]

I had a sailboat for many years 35’ with a 3 cyl diesel engine and a sloop reg , if I owned flying Cody I would make her a graft rig Schooner with 3-4 jib sails forward and topsails , this would be much easier to sail , better to weather and you wouldn’t need to go up the mast to set sails and she would look much better and have less rigging !

[@FlyingConey]

You're loosing a bit of speed upwind but the downwind performance is on another level. Especially on long oceangoing passages the square sails are almost no work. Once hoisted you can leave them alone for weeks and the ship will steer itself.

[@rationalist47]

Mark - all of your points are correct, but this guy has his heart set on a rig that is more trouble, is more dangerous to handle, and has greater windage that brings even more problems. Marine design has even evolved adequate if not superior solutions to downwind passages than square sails. Maybe I am a sissy but I don't even like to be on the bow working a jib when the bleak sea gets nasty.

[@carlthor91]

Gaff rig yes, square rig, meh! No thanks. Have fun. Best wishes from Northern Canada.

[@gregkarkowsky967]

Holy cow! Your hair looks fantastic! 😉😇😎

[@RandallSchwed]

Looks like flying Coney will be a faster rabbit .🐰

[@kevinmartin3859]

Well done a briiiant video she looks different without looking forward she fully rigged again

[@yiosmukantagara]

I think it looks better for now without that mast. But we are looking forward to seeing her with the new masts one day.

[@davehancock1838]

Dang, your hair makes you look beautiful. Nice look! By the way Flying Coney is looking good too.

[@psbassett]

Interesting project. It crossed my mind that the hole where the old mast was, presumably goes all the way to the keel. It looked big enough that it might make a convenient spot for a hatch that might make ventilating the vessel in case of smoke or whatever way more efficient. It might even be useful as a way to lower/stow (dumbwaiter)smaller items below that would otherwise have to be carried down the stairs, or be a convenient location to run wires, etc. Anyway, I for one appreciate the technical anecdotes. I'm always wondering how much all these activities, parts, etc. cost.

[@uschifleischmann6089]

I like 👌

[@anthonyiocca5683]

I just want to say that the galley will be vital. The meals served should be memorable…

[@wickedcabinboy]

A brigantine that size will be rather a large ship for just two people to handle. I'm glad to see the old mast was removed without incident. I was a bit uncomfortable with the lack of head protection around a suspended load (the mast.) What a huge job this is turning out to be.

[@FlyingConey]

Flying Coney will carry about 12-15 people. She's way too large for two people the only exception is as a houseboat. Although it's easily possible to move the ship from one place to the next with just two people and we're enjoying doing so, it doesn't make sense.

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@FlyingConey - Thanks for your response. Do you envision her as a charter vessel?

[@FlyingConey]

More as a sail training ship with longer adventures. We might even sail cargo.

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@FlyingConey - A sail training ship? That should make for some interesting video.

[@Twelvestonestacking]

Barbara! Hair ? Looking good!

[@MultiPosaune]

Nice hair colour.😉

[@bucknaykid4236]

The progress looks fantastic and i love your ideas for re rigging the boat. Just one question.......Where are you going to put the Jacuzzi?

[@FlyingConey]

🤣 We're thinking about installing a sauna...

[@berndm9743]

Looks good without that huge industrial mast. BTW.. I think you should keep the aft deckhouse.

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks! Now she's at least looking like a proper trawler and I agree that in this configuration the aft deckhouse looks fine. We will keep the wheelhouse but we want to lower it a bit. Why would you keep the aft deckhouse?

[@berndm9743]

@@FlyingConey You would have a lot of additional floorspace for equipment or people.🙂

[@cpt.mirones5109]

if you add a smaler shorter mast direktly behind the formast you can still use a Gaff sail. normally that was used on the Mizzenmast wich was then called a Snow examples are HMS Ontario and USS Niagara. i also once saw French Ocean Class First Rates using that on all Masts to reduce the crew needed on Deck for Battle Sails to avoid Sharpshoters located high up in the Rigging. the Gaff on the Formast then would remove all kind of lines for Tacking on all the Flying Sails inbetween the mast down alot.

[@FlyingConey]

A brigantine sails quite well with just the staysails hoisted. This is the perfect configuration if you're shorthanded. If you fly a gaff sail on the forward mast as well this would be called a tops'l schooner. Also a very interesting rig but a brigantine offers better performance overall and Flying Coney is big enough for this rig configuration.

[@schuttrostig5729]

1.6t of mast? Wow... cant wait to see your ship with the new masts you are getting, but it totally makes sense to make the deck first and put on the masts later as they would be in the way all the time otherwise. How much will your two masts weight, do you already know?

[@ozenfant_ozn]

that's some bad weather. rather typical for these shores right?

[@FlyingConey]

You can experience all 4 Seans on one single day here. But the most accurate description of the weather is one month of summer and 11 months of fall.

[@phillnelley6348]

I question as to why the mast was lifted vertically? I would have thought being a tabernacle mast to lay it over would have been a safer option?

[@FlyingConey]

We considered laying down the mast first but we don't fully trust the mechanism and it would've been difficult to find the balance point to lift it. So lifting it horizontally was a safer option and it's also what the pros at the yard recommended.

[@darrylmcleman6456]

I have seen a CHINEESE JUNK with square sails out here sportsfishing from time to time.Viewing from S.W. Vancouver Island in Westcoast Canada! CHEERS from HERE!!!

[@FlyingConey]

A Junk rig is quite the opposite of what we want. Yes it's a good rig but in my opinion not very interesting. We want a rig that can be handled with manpower and considering our displacement a Junk rig would be quite scary.

[@darrylmcleman6456]

@@FlyingConey GOT IT!!!

[@Paul-w1j4y]

🤩

[@MrJerobona]

Are you going to get new steel masts? or other material?

[@FlyingConey]

Definitively steel! They're more affordable, lighter and a lot safer than wooden masts.

[@familyb5625]

Looks very strange....without a mast....... BTW do you know the guys from Tigershark boatworks? They have a steel schoener from the 40's and are in leeuwarden based..

[@FlyingConey]

Of course we know them. Both boats were converted into sailing ships in Amsterdam in 1977. So also they know the previous owner of Flying Coney and the ship very well. Without the mast she now looks like a trawler and way better than as a motorsailer.

[@WACRE44]

❤

[@bruceyoung1343]

Do I understand the new mast will mount on top of that plate that was welded ? I would of thought the mast should go thru the top deck down to the keel ( or there abouts)???

[@FlyingConey]

Of course the masts will be stepped on the keel. We installed the plate just to stop the rain coming in.

[@bruceyoung1343]

@ I was wondering why the plate was welded in lace

[@WayneCoke]

Daniel did the scrap you ended up with have any value?

[@FlyingConey]

Steel has always some value and we got a little bit from the scrap dealer. It was about as much at it costed to remove the mast.

[@PAINFOOL13]

👍🏻 👏👏

[@victormiramontes6662]

2 masts

[@natesquestyouknowthatsrigh8269]

😊

[@TomCrasemann]

steel masts for that height of rig ?? i wouldnt want to know how that would influence ships righting moment , or did you mean aluminum ? what do you estimate the cost for a full rig to be ? and timeline of this project.

[@FlyingConey]

We're a sailing ship and not a yacht. Steel masts are the way to go. They're a lot lighter compared to wooden masts and we do have enough ballast for a traditional tall ship rig. I really can't think of any tall ship with aluminium masts.

[@cgee3999]

I think I need to diagram to see why it needs to be changed🤔 as I have no technical knowledge

[@robertmaloney2255]

Can I ask a stupid question, WHY didn't you just buy a fully rigged sailing ship

[@FlyingConey]

We wanted to have a project boat and Flying Coney has a rich history that would be lost if we haven't rescued her. Also a fully operational steel tall ship costs about 1.2 million.

[@georgethecritic9850]

I'm surprised no one had protective headgear on.

[@FlyingConey]

Well, there's a sign that you must wear a hardhat.

[@kaykay730]

what will happen to the old mast

[@Pocketfarmer1]

In New York we would say mongo.

[@dariolasky2151]

how stopped pist audio in french ?it's compltly silly . Thank's

[@FlyingConey]

Underneath the video you klick on the settings and change the audio track from French to English (original).

[@andersmartensson1851]

Den gamla masten va mer än en kranmast än för segel . På sin höjd för styrsegel . Men mast botten måste bort så varför täcka hålet ?

[@FlyingConey]

Feel free to lend us a hand.

[@danieldonaldson8634]

So why not a junk rig?

[@FlyingConey]

First of all Flying Coney is probably too large for a We want to teach how to operate and sail a traditionally rigged tall ship. There will be no winches beside the anchor windlass. Obviously that's not possible on a junk rig. A lug rig with three masts would be traditional but Flying Coney is probably too large for this rig. If you know the Greyhound, well she's only half our displacement.

[@calvincareen7609]

Easy to spot a man who’s not use to working with their hands

[@mr.breugelmans]

They removed the stabilisor, now the ship is not all- weather prove anymore. ( less value )

[@FlyingConey]

That's not how it works. The ship is more stable and more seaworthy now but less comfortable.

[@janivartistel3091]

Less real time grinding please…

[@maxalford7758]

your spending a lot of money on flying cooney when her use by date has expired having watched and seen the amount of rust in the hull wouldn't it be better to put your money into something that is going to last longer than a couple of years

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

She's been sounded and surveyed she's still as thick Overall as more modern hulls and she was designed to sail originally ... It also has it's own history... they've already given their reasons and logic. It's their choice 🤷🏻🧙🏼‍♂️. The one thing I might have done is keep a section from the mast top to make the bow sprit... It will be stronger and safer than wood and they can turn it into a safer working bow sprite. See this week's Sailing Uma interview in the Netherlands with another restoration and remodeling.

[@dennisbishop3842]

I think it's because that's what they want to spend their time and money on. You should do the same.