We Need To Call In An EXPERT! Not good!!!

[@FlyingConey]

We plan to make a Q&A video soon. So now is the time to ask us anything you want to know! 🤓 Just leave your question under the pinned comment. 👇

[@jamesclarke2110]

Why don’t you guys have a patreon / members? I’m sure many viewers (myself included) would be happy to help out with covering some of these insane costs

[@jeffjefferson2676]

If the ship turns out to not work, will you move to Finland (cheap housing/land prices), and put the boat on land and live in it? Greetings, Jeff

[@jeffhamilton3603]

One might suggest that the steel is in better shape in the "secret" room if it is not heated. The living area might be much more humid (cooking, breathing, bathing, propane combustion). In a cool climate there would be condensation between the cork and the cold steel. I saw some sheet plastic in your demo which may be an attempted vapor barrier? Just something to think about when you put it back together!

[@jmi5057]

@@jamesclarke2110 Yes, I second that! I too would be more than happy too put in some contribution per video to help with the restoration of such a fantastic ship

[@aldertjeful]

You should by a needlehammer. Makes it easier to take of loose rust. For youre information, 1 cm thick rust, means 1mm steal is gone. So....no worries 😇

[@chuckcorris2392]

Whenever you have a repair project unfortunately, there is always something else you find that needs to be repaired. Do not be discouraged! You are a good team keep at it.

[@Curiosity-NZ]

The way I was taught in engineering was by a simple method of "Problem. What Problem?" I only see solutions. Those damaged frames can be repaired insitu by a good welder. I guess a lot of these "armchair experts" have never attempted anything other than to trash people who out there doing it for real. I'm presently restoring a Herreshoff Marco Polo in wood that had a hard life and in the building next to ours is a vessel of similar size and condition to yours. The owner has no engineering experience so he asks me for advice and since I have woodworking experience I ask him. We are both retired. I'm an old school engineer and he is an old school woodworker. Your both doing an excellent job. At the end of the day you will find that you will have enjoyed every moment of the project. You'll be able sit down and laugh at all the successes and struggles that you both have endured through the journey.

[@vicbob53]

Thanks for taking us along. . .

[@grahamsmart1271]

Hi Guys , I am loving your videos , I have a similar vessel and I have been through what your going through, don’t worry about the rust of the boat its old and most other boat will not last this long, you have a strong ship that’s made of steel, steel is cheep to buy and you just need to find a good welder guy that knows how to make ship repairs , as you know with steel you can cut out the thin steel easy and replace so don’t let these so called experts tell you to scrap the boat, when I was restoring my boat I found a good welder guy who had some spare time basically wanted cash to do my work, holland is the right place to get work done , keep going you have to go through the bad to see the good, remember you can not buy history you got some thing very different a real ship. well done, don’t burn your self out it takes time! take a break and come back with more energy

[@FlyingConey]

Couldn't agree more! Thanks for this comment! 👍

[@lhendrix278]

Might add, learn to weld. It is not difficult and the equipment is relatively inexpensive. Hang in!

[@svhulda6157]

You were wondering if your boat could be pre 1950. Could very well be so. Here in Norway, reveting hulls I guess was dying out for smaller vessels in the 1930'ies. In the 1950'ies, welding would be the predominant way of building. So, it could very well be pre WW2. If your ship survives the inspection, never use insulation that contains carbon (C) or will hold water. Use non-organic material. To restore and keep a ship of this size will be something like a lifetime commitment. Sit down and have a sereous descussion among yourselves if this is what you really want. Best whishes!

[@patrickjenkins3109]

In the UK riveted steel was still popular in the 50s, we recently demolished an old Brixham trawler very similar to the vessel being worked on, she had been bought to Australia in the 70s and sadly run down over the last decade. The hull plating was in better condition than this ship, but sadly her fate was sealed by government authorities.

[@ZeRo8625]

Why no carbon?

[@svhulda6157]

@@ZeRo8625 Carbon, graphite, diamond (C) will be cathodic to all other maters on this planet, as far as I know. In other words, carbon steel, stainless steel and so forth will be anodic. Offshore we had a standard, NORSOK 1995 that specified graphite gaskets on sea water application. That standard gave us in maintenace a lot of good work 🙂

[@fonhollohan2908]

It's way way faster to use a cutting disc instead of a grinding disc when cutting metal. The cutting disc's are 1/16 of an inch thick while the grinding disc are 1/8 to 1/4 thickness. Hope that helps in the future if you ever were to need to do this again.

[@frederickszalay1484]

How can you retain your sanity doing all that work of destruction??? Vicariously enjoying what you do....

[@FlyingConey]

Me and Daniel having no problem with all the destruction. Daniel.

[@billsrq1788]

Hello from Siesta Key Florida

[@earlyoung2863]

Wow, it's amazing how many comments you are getting now! THAT is something to be proud of! The insulation, I think caused the rusting on the interior of the hull and on the "bones" of the ship. It trapped condensation. As several others have said don't be discouraged by a few damaged ribs in one local area or another. Those can be fortified or replaced. I've done a lot of welding myself. As long as 75% of the "ribs" are good, I think it's doable....moneywise. I guess it depends on how tough you guys are....your "metal", doesn't it? I think you are up to it! AND when Coney sails again, we'll ALL be proud. (I like the beam width on this old boat, Soooo roomy). Merry Christmas!💝

[@FlyingConey]

The area that was insulated with cork is definitely the one with the highest amount of corrosion. The engine room and the area under the secret hatch are quite good and the fore ship is somewhere in the middle. The welding of the damaged frames and stringers isn't the biggest issue. But most frames are damaged exactly where the frame meets the concrete. So that means a lot of o glorious hammering. Side note, the concrete is off the highest possible quality also used for WWII bunkers.

[@earlyoung2863]

@@FlyingConey I'm not sure, but if the repairs are feasible, and YOU have the stamina, and IF you can get the interior sandblasted clean, and painted, you might (if safe and legal) think about spray-on, closed-cell polyurethane foam insulation. It's waterproof and, I think, fire resistant. It would seal that interior metal with a really high "R" factor. AND, my friends, THAT'S a LOT of ifs!😉 Thanks for the reply!

[@FlyingConey]

@@earlyoung2863 Previously I was strongly leaning towards spray foam but the problem with a riveted hull is that they have a tendency to leak and there always will be small welding jobs when taking the boat out. Some say it's possible to weld with the spray foam in place but here they wouldn't touch it so it would be necessary to remove it. Sandblasting also is difficult but I think laser and / or wet sandblasting could work. Then we still have the problem with the areas underneath the frames. Speaking about corrosion probably the best coating is some sort of heated wax, grease or bitumen. If you want to go overkill, hot zinc spry coating first would be nice. BUT I don't want to use stone wool as insulation and I have to check if I could use something like Armaflex on a soft coating. De-Rusting, Coating and Insulation really is the triangle of difficulties.

[@earlyoung2863]

@@FlyingConey Hey, the wax actually sounds like a good idea. And I fully understand the problems the foam would present. Plus toxic fumes if welding was needed. My brother was an engineer on fishing trawlers in both warm water and the Arctic. The last ship he was on had a 16 cylinder Volvo inline engine. The cylinder heads had no bolts in them. Their massive weight held the compression. They simply just slipped over pins! My brother loved sailing. I lost him not too long ago. He would have loved your channel!

[@FlyingConey]

My condolences on your loss and I wish you all possible strength to go through tis difficult time!

[@markhampson5644]

Keep smiling it will be worth it. 😊

[@thostr]

The art of everything is knowing when to start and when to stop. Happy you're getting a third party evaluation from an expert, I think that's the very best thing you could do at this point. Also I would be careful about zeroing out the value of your own time. Time is basically all we humans have on this planet. Good luck with your "calculation"!

[@FlyingConey]

We're not zeroing out the value of our time. But actually we kind of enjoy restoring a historic vessel. Of course there are more enjoyable things we are looking forward to compared to the stuff we do now. But generally speaking the boat is our hobby and filming and editing is our job. The only thing we both hate is doing things under time pressure and that's also the reason why this shipyard time is so horrible for us.

[@bertram5798]

Jö. Hard to watch. Feels like the boat is falling apart any second. So much work. So much dirt. Keep going!

[@sjoertebben]

Just keep up the spirit, steel problems can be fixed if it's not the entire ship. Restoring this old lady back to her original state is a gigantic task but the end result will be spectacular. After ye have fixed the corrosion issues, make sure to apply the right insulation and keep the humidity inside low.

[@conniejohnson2740]

I read each comment and your answers. Good for you the tiring, hard gut wrenching work hasn't killed your passion and love for your unique ship! I have love of steel creations. My Dad was a welder like one rarely see's now. I will say I don't know much about ships and boats. Steel is a marvelous material in the right hands. I'm cheering you both on! I still believe you can restore Flying Cony.

[@lissainkd2580]

Well you both can say " every square inch has been touched by love " .

[@lissainkd2580]

You've got this .

[@kendonahve924]

I'm wishing you the wisdom to know what is in your hearts and the strength to act on your knowledge. God bless you Dears. I believe the Lord loves a dreamer.

[@flatworm00]

What an absolute nightmare! I can not even begin to imagine the ups and downs of this restoration...Keep up the good work, I have enjoyed your videos very much.

[@myuboat45]

We are pulling for you from Western Canada .Good luck. Do not get discouraged.

[@jimwilder5578]

By tearing the whole ship apart you get the have a new layout of the rooms. Gonna look nice.

[@donnakawana]

Your both amazing people. Thanks for sharing your lives an your journey with us... ✌🏼💗😊⛵

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you for that lovely comment!

[@allanmontile8210]

Wishing you all the best.

[@aluminium83510]

Bonjour from France les bateaux en acier se répare facilement . Ne lâchez pas l affaire ,un groupe de bénévoles en soudure se trouve facilement .Bon courage 👍👍cordialement

[@thorevjen7592]

I just started following you two and I admire anyone who can take on any restoration project, be it land or sea (I'm sure I would rather try a project on land fist) and have the determination to see it thru. My best in your continued efforts.

[@FlyingConey]

Good to have you aboard! The good news is that there will be a lot of videos until we're done with the project...

[@billvanvlack117]

Did you mention that there was material placed between the riveted sheets? For new insulation, consider adapting the wood boat technique of creating 'chimneys' in/over frame bays - perhaps in removable panels for hull inspection and repair. I think your experience tearing out "permanently" fastened interior elements might suggest interior outboard cabinetry that is removable.

[@grantpeachey6908]

You have my admiration and respect a a boat restore person mostly in wood i have steered away from steel boats not that i can not weld but rust you can not stop Slowdown maybe and yes there are 100 year older out there but they are tyed to a dock,! To me it is mind boggling! What a project you have work on a boat not something planed (that's in your head she has different plans)find her soul she nose you have hart.(block of wood usually found on the starboard mid ships Mahogany or teak )DO NOT REMOVE

[@canicebannon]

Great work guys!

[@fleabitis]

A sad testament to the value of and necessity for a proper pre-buy survey. Professional surveyors usually know where the trouble is likely to hide and identify problems early on. A thorough survey is a valuable bargaining tool at the negotiating table.

[@FlyingConey]

We had a pre purchase survey and a surveyor usually doesn't disposable the whole interior or start to rip out insulation. The frames are in good shape in most parts of the ship like the forecastle and the engine room. Only in the former fish room the need to be exchanged. Not a bit deal. Also not much negotiating when you buy a boat for scrap value. Either you buy or not it's your decision. We are still very happy we bought the boat.

[@BradFLHT]

It is a major undertaking; I wish you two the best.

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much!

[@jimwilder5578]

The ship is gonna look beautiful when you get done and get those Mass up.🍻

[@rvz3215]

You will save Coney! I’m sure. She only need time and love. Grtz. from the Flevopolder

[@shane-nicoledooley2499]

Take your time,steel boats just need lots of work to main tain,you just started in the deep end,good luck take it easy.

[@davidnichols147]

This is a huge undertaking. We wish you both luck with the refit.

[@johnschmuck5589]

I wish you much luck with this rebuild/refit. I will continue to follow. Really enjoying this

[@para1324]

Apparently the best is remove all to bare steel. Repair or replace the steel hull as needed. Plan and build interior as you wish. Best of fortune going forward.

[@kevlarandchrome]

I'm not sure how you managed to fight off the urge to clean it out by dousing some kerosene, tossing a match, and then hosing the ashes out of the gutted hull, but I admire your tenacity and self restraint.

[@secumain]

You guys are awesome!

[@bartjohnson8139]

Such an enormous project! I hope y’all are saving all of that good solid wood. It can be a very large cost savings when it comes to building new cabinets. Even the thin plywood can be used for patterns and such. Do you want to invest in a power planer that can be used to strip off the old paint. Just make sure you’ve gotten all the nails out before you send it through a planer! Anyway I enjoy watching your journey, and look forward to each new video!

[@user-mj6sl9qv8j]

good call - especially now, and its getting worse

[@william6526]

A tremendous amount of work and money. You have to have a love for old boats to even think about investing not only the money but the large amount of your life to bring this boat back to life. I personally would cut my loss and move on to a boat that's not in such bad shape. But if you enjoy boat work and have the time and finances it may work out for you. I wish you all the best and hope to see you sailing one day in the distant future. God bless

[@omvaren]

This is a very old ship. There is definitely another material used for the hull plates than for the frames. The frames are typical rusting away in layers. Once started, it's almost an unstoppable process. The frames - I think - are made of 'puddel-iron'. That explains the typical (delaminating) form of rust. The hull-plates are a different sort of iron...you almost could name it 'steel'. It's still difficult to weld, but an experienced (older) welder knows how to handle this kind of 'steel'. These plates are quite resistend to rust but have a problem with 'putroest' (pitting). The Eiffel-tower is also built of 'puddle-iron' and is still standing upright. I think the building of your ship started in 1902-1905.

[@CheersWarren]

Well there is wrought iron , and cast iron , both in many grades then steel in many grades.( to keep it simple). Hull and framing would probably be wrought iron , iron rolled and hammered into shape. Cast iron with be used in shaped parts that cannot be formed or machined easily , like large valves, handles, porthole frames, shaft flange fittings and many more. These will be pieces the shipyard(s) bought or had specially made. Your riveted hull looks like wrought iron and frames formed in machines with heat and pressure as required to form into shapes before riveting together. There is probably plenty of steel used later for repairs and changes ( like aft deck cabin) welded with electric arc welding , the original wrought iron might have been welded but by heat and hammer. Possibly if you think boat was built after the war then it may have been iron and riveting as manufacturing methods were restricted by the allies for a while. Cheers Warren

[@paulthew2]

We are left hanging! What of the hull!!! 😬😬😬I am so looking forward to the next video ....but with some dread. Fingers crossed from the blue mountains, australia. This channel is the best.

[@bretthawksley3582]

New subscriber here from the UK....keep up the great, interesting work!!

[@malcolmmcgougan8372]

Fingers crossed you guys, I am rooting for you. I thought it was only the British that are mad. Now I am not so sure..

[@CheersWarren]

Well there is wrought iron , and cast iron , both in many grades then steel in many grades.( to keep it simple). Hull and framing would probably be wrought iron , iron rolled and hammered into shape. Cast iron with be used in shaped parts that cannot be formed or machined easily , like large valves, handles, porthole frames, shaft flange fittings and many more. These will be pieces the shipyard(s) bought or had specially made. Your riveted hull looks like wrought iron and frames formed in machines with heat and pressure as required to form into shapes before riveting together. There is probably plenty of steel used later for repairs and changes ( like aft deck cabin) welded with electric arc welding , the original wrought iron might have been welded but by heat and hammer. Possibly if you think boat was built after the war then it may have been iron and riveting as manufacturing methods were restricted by the allies for a while. I look forward to what the expert has to say , clearly the insulation did not help the hull but may have made the space livable. Perhaps it got decommissioned from a sailing ship when repairs became too expensive . Time will tell Cheers Warren Cheers Warren

[@FlyingConey]

The yards refers to the hull material as "old steel" We don't think that iron was used. It appears that the hull itself is the oldest part of the ship. Since the wheelhouse looks like it's in place since 1950 it could mean that the whole hull is older. Or that the original ship was shortened. Let's hope we find out more in the museums fisheries museums of Maasluis and Katwijk or in the De Haas shipyard where she was build. It also would be awesome to get a builders plaque from the original shipyard. One thing we found out is that the same guy converted her into both sailing ship variants. It could be that a refit was due but the main idea to convert her into the easy sailing motorsailer was that the guy could stretch his sailing life a bit more but also having more comfort during the extended stays in harbors. Apperently the was a relatively good sailing but labor extensive sailing ship before that. The last conversion wasn't done perfect but far from cheap and it makes much more sense if you think of it as a conversion after owning a boat for 17 years. So that's also the reason why so many of her interior was covered up. No more tongue and groove for me so here's some vinyl. We're talking about the early 90s...

[@wornoutwrench8128]

Oh man. I was worried that you might find something like this. And now the cliffhanger to find out what you are going to do. Gasp😮 Anything can be repaired. It just costs. Hopefully this is not the end.

[@rexstiger6090]

Thank you for the video. Such a project!

[@maxiemills6982]

I am so sorry you have found such big problems. I hope you find comfort in the decisions you have to make. I think you guys are great!

[@hellodarren]

Keeping fingers crossed for you!

[@billvanvlack117]

An interesting paper on riveted boat repair can be found by searching on 'San Francisco Maritime "Repair Techniques of Riveted Vessels", Dvorak, 1997.

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks for sharing that resource with us! On the one hand the Hoekman Scheepswerf has a lot of experience with repairing old working vessels. I think the best example is a riveted tug boat that lately was next to us. 101 !!! years old and getting a 300k stage V engine conversion to be future proof for the next 25 working years. We're talking about an ordinary workboat not about a 112 year old wooden yacht named Tally Ho. But the lads do things they way they always had done it. Good opportunity to see how everything can be done with an angle grinder, a welding machine and a car jack. but sometimes I wished that they're more open towards more sophisticated methods. We hope to get more in touch with the historic boat scene to get a better insight into how things can be and should be done. I do know for example that they repaired the German steam ice breaker STETTIN using riveting technique and not just welding. No clue who had done it.

[@Davidcallard]

I have seen my share of terminal rust in my time BUT I don't see any in your hull thus far. Sure there's rust but it doesn't seem to be seriously impairing the principal structures, just the subframes which may well be made of cheap substandard steel or possibly even dissimilar metal . I am NOT a professional but I will say that if Flying Coney was my ship I would be encouraged by what you have revealed so far and I would be optimistic about the outcome. I see the biggest challenge as thè development of a plan for the continuing financial viability of the project. The ship will have to earn her upkeep plus maybe your living ? so you will have to consider the available options. I'm sure there are some so my best wishes go with you!

[@remkovandepeppel1943]

So cool project ❤

[@paulorobalo3521]

good work,I indication for your see Yaba sailing . good work in boat of wood.

[@timnz009]

Its like boat archeology, only my morbid curiosity allows me to continue to watch, if you had got a surveyor in the first place, you could have 1. Bought the boat for less money based on the surveyed condition as a negotiation point, or 2. bought a different boat. They say rust never sleeps. You also need a massive bank balance or income to support this project. Gutting it, welding repairs and repainting is the cheapest part of the project, the refit and redesign and installation and purchase of a complete rig and sails will have you sinking 100,000s into it. How much is a restored 90ft motorsailor worth? Take that figure, times is by 3, and then subtract how much the ship cost you in the first place. There's your budget.

[@FlyingConey]

In the more recent videos we talk about all these points in detail. We did know what will be involved in the tall ship conversion and the boat was priced reasonable. We made the decision not to haul out because of a relatively recent thickness report. A mistake? Don't know, the haul out including a full survey would've been the same as the repair of the electrolysis damage. The cheapest similar but fully operational ship is "Jantje" listed at 550 000€. We will find out what can be achieved with 490 000€. The problem is, you see an ugly motorsailer and we see the beautiful tall ship hidden under it.

[@AM-ni3sz]

Hang in there. Best of luck 👍

[@frederickbowdler8169]

If it looks bad it's sure to be worse . people with a project often cannot stay emotionally detached hence the expertise needwd

[@richardhillebrand5103]

I had an antique boat restoration shop in Florida. The largest I did was 54' wooden hull and 60' tunnel stern riverboat in Central Florida. I know what a painstaking job you have. A wooden plank is much easier than a steel hull. I am watching in anticipation of the next episode of what the surveyor says. Good luck and blessings from an old salt in Florida. I wish I was able to come help.

[@frankdovle978]

I say what said in the last video before: "blood sweat and tears" Just continue with. and the question is: we have a dream.... or will it be: we had a dream ....? Looking forward to the next video 👍 Cheers

[@sailboatbob3969]

WOW! WOW! WOW! I sure do hope you have deep, deep pockets. And always remember this.....Build it like you're going to take it apart in 2 yrs. IE don't use 5200, when 4200 will do :) good luck

[@reoandbert]

So Sorry… yet there’s always HOPE!!!

[@flightographist]

I'll tune in again, it will be interesting to see what a marine surveyor thinks.

[@DPOdoherty]

I’m not sure I have the emotional capacity to come on this journey 😂

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

wow that insulation was gnarly

[@pauldixon3677]

Not the news you wanted to hear or see. But look at the positive, if the hull is repaired, you know the state of your boat and you can do whatever layout you want for the rebuild. Hope you have some good news.

[@karengriffiths4574]

NOOOOOO!!! I can't wait 2 weeks!!. I do hope it's salvagable. I'm so impressed with your work rate.

[@harveymuxlow1448]

Best wishes from the uk, love the videos it's too big of of a job frorm .

[@SoBoring136]

My full admiration to you. Hey guys Don’t cut corners

[@larrygrove9689]

I'm feeling for you I hope you have luck 🤞

[@WJSpies]

Good luck to you both I hope it's worth all that herculean effort you're expending.

[@donaldgibson3121]

Good luck with your project. You need it!

[@phendlin]

first time viewer, subscribed and liked! watching more of your videos afterwards.

[@cissysprinkle8005]

keep going guys, so want to see you make it.

[@arottie4097]

W0W!

[@williamkhatchell620]

Some did look like brand new, hopefully she is fixable. Wish you the very best

[@stefanm67]

Well done guys. We are really enjoying following you and we have our fingers crossed for you. Keep going..... do not lose heart. You are doing a really good job. ❤️

[@joeldelamirande5792]

Sailing melody did something similar with a steel hull They had a X-ray done to measure the thickness of the hull And new pcs if it was to thin

[@CraigOverend]

Where the frames have disintegrated, some of those hull plates also look awful... expect lots of bad news on top of more bad news with any steel or wood boat restoration. :)

[@jeanhawken4482]

Tough gig

[@davidlyon2690]

all the problem I have seen up to 12;28 is a couple frames that have rusted away, but they are easy replaced, if it is endemic across the whole ship it would be time to sit down and think. if you decide to scrap it, what would you get scrap value against how much it would cost to repair, and then compare that to the cost of replacement. If you repair you know you have a good ship against if you buy a new ship it could be exactly the same as "The Coney"

[@FlyingConey]

The issue with replacing the frames is that most of them need to be welded exactly where it meets the concrete. So we have to remove the concrete first. We've tried to explain that it's not just the frames but at that point we begann to put a question mark on the thickness measurements from 2018.

[@kendonahve924]

In the Developed World labour and environmental costs generally exceed scrap value for wrecking vessels in that size range.

[@rerun3283]

Great video!

[@hamiam2243]

Wow 👍👍

[@journeymanadventure]

Just think, you could be sitting somewhere with your feet up relaxing with a bottle of red wine but think of the fun you'd be missing out on😀 I hope the report comes back ok for you. She'll be a fine vessel if you can get through this battle 🏴‍☠️🍷🍷

[@garygrissom1031]

I love your videos and find my self craving more🫶🤤

[@qno-oj3py]

Hi, fantastic project. I followed you for some months. To bad you find something new every time. I have an idea about the vinyl on the wood. It could be used as a vapour barrier. In all the areas people live moisture is created that condensates on the coldest part of the boat. Maybe that was also part of the problem for the rust on the inside of the hull. Good luck. I hope to see many more videos and a good result for you two.

[@seancrumby3241]

Really hoping that it's economic to continue forward with the refitting. Till the next video. Sean from California

[@robertcarey9121]

There is always risk to fix up the ship or boat but you have to have effort to make it happen and patience is the key to accomplish. You can look up some of yourtuber such as Brupeg , Ship Happen, Tally Ho and etc. They have pride to work hard to make it happen no matter if it is wood or metal and they are expensive otherwise. In my opinion Metal ship are lot easy to work with than woods because if you make mistake with woods there is no way to correct it compare to the metals are easy to correct by weld it up to be more specify measurement you know. Keep up good work and many cross fingers to your success and get good opinion from the ship expert. Smile and stay positive!

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks for the crossed fingers. I'm in my third round of watching Tally Ho being rebuilt. Leo was the inspiration to rescue an old ship. We're still quite happy that we've picked a steel hull. I think a wooden boat the size of Flying Coney isn't doable for a couple. But in many aspects our ship is constructed very similar to a wooden boat. We have frames, stringers, deck beams, floors, knees and butt joints. The overlapping hull plates are nailed together with a layer of felt in between them. After that they were caulked with a special tool and an air hammer. Unfortunately only a few very specialized people can still repair a riveted boats the old fashioned way. But welding is only the second best option.

[@flossey100]

I feel for you living in a construction site and hope you can make an easy decision to stay with the renovation or to cut your losses. There is so much work to do ……thanks for sharing your progress…..

[@stevenplancich6449]

Wowza, what a project ya got on yer hands…Hoping ya can Fix/Repairs the issues ya got with the Hull👍…Continue to Stay Safe and Enjjoy😎

[@alexandrebastos9110]

There is something that I cannot quite understand is, why havent you paid a complete survey BEFORE buying the boat??? from where I am it looks like is a major enterprise!!!! but again you are young and very confident!!!! Best of luck!!!!

[@oceannomad2455]

A nasty can of worms! If you decide to keep going, don’t let the distractors stomp all over your dreams. One step at a time! Good luck

[@HogueMify]

There are two possible outcomes of this story: A:) The ship gets scrapped in spring due to lack of motivation, or B:) The whole mid section interior gets ripped out, and the inside is sand blasted, then the ship is scrapped late summer, due to lack of motivation and funds. Bending and installing new frames and stringers alone for this big mofu will cost an arm and a leg, if not done in some southeastern european low-wage country.

[@smokken10]

You need an ultrasound check of the hull,too thin and you can forget the whole project.

[@FlyingConey]

You'r right but at this point the odds of a thin hull was very low. The lads from the yard already did some welding and we all hammered against it with crowbars and big hammers. The minimum is about 4mm and the readings from 2018 were all about 6-7mm

[@kendonahve924]

@@FlyingConey I respectfully submit that 4 -6 mm plate is too thin for a vessel of that size to carry lives at sea. This problem would be made worse if there is surface pitting or thin frames. I suggest you need the expertise of a naval architect to make these decisions. The sea puts a lot of force on the hull of this size of vessel in bad weather. As I understand your business plan, you might carry passengers for compensation and in Canada this in the point where authorities do not care much for the Owners' opinions and these regulations are pretty standard in SOLAS Countries I think. I'm not into "stomping on a dream", but do want you to know all the facts. We like and admire you. Your subscribers will follow you if you decide to move onto another vessel challenge.

[@FlyingConey]

@@kendonahve924 Thank you for your comment and I can understand your concerns. The readings of the ultrasound check are the minimums of each hull plate. I think the required minimum is 3.6mm and it does not matter if the check is done for a passenger ship or a pleasure craft. We are in contact with a marine surveyor and he will check the boat after the electrolysis damagege is fixed and then another time when all the frames are repaired. However Flying Coney will stay registered as a pleasure craft with a maximum capacity of 12 passengers.

[@rolanddunk5054]

Hi,it seems that moisture may have got in behind the insulation and has become a growing area for rust,hidden out of sight.i wish you well with your project and will continue to watch with hope and interest.cheers from a retired marine engineer.Roly🇬🇧.

[@GordDiv]

Look at what you estimate you will have to spend in hard cash then add your own labour at whatever the minimum wage is in your area Double that and you’re probably close to what it will really take.. The question then is whether it makes sense when compared to what you could buy with equivalent funds. Sometimes sunk (no pun intended) makes us defensive but you have to stand back and be rational Best of luck whatever you decide

[@TheMikesylv]

In the us we call this “can of worms”

[@brianwillerton8659]

I hope youse guys didn't pay a lot for that boat, if so, you'll work pretty hard to make it worth it...to each his own, I'll sit and watch if it helps at all...

[@blackbirdxx4613]

Wondered where you guys were... You need a bottom less pit of money... Stripping is the easy part.... Wait till the refit..... Good luck

[@FlyingConey]

We're really looking forward to the building up / refit part of the project. First we can do that in the water at our own speed and afterwards it feels like you've achieved something. Striping is labor intensive, dirty but not very difficult. But being on the hard is about four times more expensive, uncomfortable and a shipyard is a very loud environment. So you don't get any rest. Working the whole week, editing on the weekends. But I'm not complaining just explaining. I'm really greatfult because you guys and KZbin are giving me the option to safe that magnificent ship.

[@blackbirdxx4613]

@@FlyingConey keep it up well done

[@kendonahve924]

@@FlyingConey if that's your plan, consider doing remedial metal structure and protective coatings from bottom to at least a 300 mm

[@kendonahve924]

Continuing...300 mm above waterli e in the shipyard because usually impossible to do once afloat. However, you are correct this is a better work environment for you if you have a system for bringing heavy materials aboard. I agree with previous suggestions that one or both learn to work with metals.

[@j.hoppli4657]

stern looks not so bad..., strengthen some frames and all is fine... Good Luck! Love your boat!👍

[@FlyingConey]

The most problematic area is definitely the area in the former fish room. It's the only compartment insulated with the cork tiles. Since they are very hard to remove in the last 72 years the coating behind it disappeared. It seams like the rust itself preserved the hull but the question is why are the frames all gone.

[@jordanpost1876]

@@FlyingConey The frames stick out of the cork isolation or weren't not covered enough.

[@jeffjefferson2676]

I think you get better at removing insulation the more you do it. Its much colder outside now, so it wont be as hot. ;) Well, how did the rust get there behind the insulation? I would think it would be tarred, and it would be enough. But maybe moisture accumulated through the years of the ship being used as a living quarters. Even if the ship would be a total loss, it still is not the end of the world. I think getting to the point where you know what the deal is is worth a lot, no matter the outcome. Ive had a moped, or rather 4 motorbikes, and all are not running yet. They costed money, it isnt going anywhere (yet). And it sucks, but hey, you are there, both of you. Dont get into a downward spiral. People love to see the videos you upload! Its the road to the goal that is interesting, maybe not the goal itself. Nirvana is now. :P I know i would rather be in a villa with a large piece of land on the coat de azure, but things worked out differently. And its not fair. The better the morale is, the sooner you will get where you want to be. This ship, or some other ship. But as you have stated, its best to come to a conclusion that is right rather sooner than later. Not based on emotions. I hope you will make the right choice. Im not sure what the right thing is to do. Probably its best to put all your effort into finding out what the right move is and dont do anything else. I wanted to ask, what other type of boat would you be considering? But that is not what is up right now, and it may never be what is up. Making a choice that will work is probably the best thing to do. Because that will take you to all the places you have been dreaming of. Greetings, Jeff

[@dukebass4564]

Without a group of helpers, you two are going to be at it for years to come. I’m afraid you’ll burn out at this task. I hope you enlist help. Good luck.

[@russellsmith8609]

Hello, just came across your channel and find it very interesting. I was wondering if you could add to your about us section where you are repairing your ship at? It looks like quite the challenge. The good news is that you will be able customize everything to your desires. The nice thing about a metal hull is that you can cut and weld just the bad spots. Be brave, dam the rust and full speed ahead, cheers.