FN Reflex: Range Report

[@hrfunk]

Here's a more articulate description of the issue I see with the Reflex trigger: The real issue I see with the trigger on the Reflex is not so much that it’s too light. At 4.5 lbs, I would call it “relatively light.” However, when that relatively light trigger also breaks farther forward than other handguns with which the shooter might be acquainted (Glock, S&W, Walther, etc.), the perception is that the pistol fires during what would (in those other handguns) be the take-up stage of the trigger stroke. That’s why I tried to stress at the end of the video that a shooter might have to be dedicated to this specific handgun. If he/she routinely fires other pistols, and fires the Reflex only on occasion, I could foresee the potential for unintended shots under stress.

[@danielk0106]

Gotcha. SO the trigger reset is also at the break. To where on others you have some take up before the break.

[@hrfunk]

That’s pretty much it.

[@mattmurphy7030]

Why would your finger be on the trigger at a time when a shot is unintended?

[@danielk0106]

@@mattmurphy7030 That'a what he's saying. It could be a negligent discharge under stress. Why would you point it at someone when they're a threat and not have your finger on the trigger?

[@mattmurphy7030]

@@danielk0106 your finger should only be inside the trigger guard when you're shooting the gun. Otherwise you're likely to cause an ND because of stress. This is firearms 101 my guy, come on

[@fredsalter1915]

Love this channel!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you so much Fred!

[@EphesusCimmerians]

Yes. First time watching it; his factual and straightforward presentation reminds me of a beloved legend that recently passed away. And I don't mean to compare the two.

[@bryanleblanc3048]

I bought this one last week for CCW here in Texas; I’m left handed with slightly larger than average hands, and I shoot this one really well, at least well enough for what I bought it for, which is to protect myself and loved ones. I appreciate the review you gave, though as retired Navy I had to take it with a grain of salt 😉

[@JeffMnAR]

Good information. I too have larger hands, and with grip being so important, I’m looking for something that will fit my hand and not affect accuracy. Micro handguns and watch straps…… Will they ever fit bigger guys.?

[@roykiefer7713]

First, I really appreciated both of today’s FN Reflex videos. I’ll offer five succinct comments: 1. I greatly like the Reflex’s design concept (internal hammer and reduced resulting recoil spring compression), although not necessarily that concept’s execution. 2. This is the second KZbin review I’ve watched this week, where the experts suggested that the drift adjustable sights might well be misaligned from the factory. 3. Internal hammer autoloaders are not common, but - in my hands - they generally provide a far smoother, far more predictable trigger pull than do striker forced semiautomatics. In addition, the recoil attenuation required to cock the hammer absolutely reduces “slide impact,” target re-acquisition time, and required slide racking force. These are a potential “big deal” for me. 4. One of my prized possessions is a Colt 1903 (1908) “pocket hammerless” pistol, chambered in .380 ACP. It was my father’s off duty FBI sidearm in the 1940’s and 1950’s. It is light, slim, accurate and Browning reliable. It has a 3.75 inch barrel, a 7+1 capacity, and both a grip and a thumb safety to ensure very few negligent discharges. This design is over a century old, however, imho It may well be entirely applicable to 2023’s needs. With that said, it’s a “safe queen,” due to it obvious sentimental value. 5. Finally, S&W is now offering internal hammer, 9x19mm micro, compacts. I wonder if they might be a superior alternative?

[@hrfunk]

Regarding #5, I'm not sure. I've been so underwhelmed by S&W lately that I haven't been trying too hard to review any of their new products. I suppose I should, though.

[@roykiefer7713]

@@hrfunk I absolutely understand; let’s hope they rebound.

[@Allenmar73]

@@hrfunk ... S&W definitely needs to stay with it. Have you had experience with the Shield Plus? I've handled but not shot a Hellcat, Sig 365, GX4, and I keep leaning towards the Shield. Your thoughts?

[@hrfunk]

I’m in the same boat. I’ve handled them, but I haven’t shot one.

[@NyfLyf73]

I've watched several reviews on this handgun. Three ( including yours ) hand rounds off to the left. One reviewer noticed the rear sight ( from the factory ) was not centered. A second reviewer had the same issue which was very noticeable even without measuring. Perhaps FN needs better quality control. Thank you for your HONEST review.

[@hrfunk]

My pleasure.thanks for watching.

[@flyfishingwardster]

I wish that I had seen this review before I bought my FN Reflex. I love the fit and finish of the gun. And, if you ignore that it hits low and left then it is a fun gun to shoot. I like the way it feels better than the Hellcat or the P365. But I think that I will be either drifting the rear sight a little to compensate windage & filing the front sight down a little to compensate for the hitting low. My groupings are great. Just low and left.

[@hrfunk]

That seems to be relatively common with the Reflex. I’ve seen other reviewers report the same thing.

[@Elkdawg331]

People complaining on low left. Hmmmm sounds familiar. GLOCK

[@flyfishingwardster]

@@hrfunkdo you have plans in reviewing the Shadow Systems CR920 handgun?

[@bobsmoot2392]

Excellent presentation. Your technical grasp is impressive and you communicate quite well. Thank you, sir. Subscribed.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you and welcome aboard!

[@lightningdriver81]

I appreciate your honesty. Good review.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you and thanks for watching.

[@fpav4049]

My Taurus GX4 also, to the lower left, unlike almost all my other carry firearms. I think it may be the way the barrel was made, to some extent along with my shooting. Changed out my Girsan MC P35 match with a brownells replacement barrel and was shooting better with the replacement barrel. Way tighter fit than the original.

[@kdcowboy9478]

You needed an item larger than a tack. For some reason I tend to shoot my M9 low and left it has a very wide grip and I really don't want to mess with drifting the rear sight. Love the objective review! All the best HR.

[@PPISAFETY]

Your point about the trigger is well taken. A trigger that is too light and short is a deal breaker on a defehse gun. The KZbin "Vidiots" who have never held anyone at gunpoint or drawn a pistol under stress will probably love it.

[@hrfunk]

I think you’re right. The real issue I see with the trigger on the Reflex is not so much that it’s too light. At 4.5 lbs, I would call it “relatively light.” However, when that relatively light trigger also breaks farther forward than other handguns with which the shooter might be acquainted (Glock, S&W, Walther, etc.), the perception is that the pistol fires during what would (in those other handguns) be the take-up stage of the trigger stroke. That’s why I tried to stress at the end of the video that a shooter might have to be dedicated to this pistol. If he/she routinely fires other pistols, and fires the Reflex only on occasion, I could foresee the potential for unintended shots under stress.

[@PPISAFETY]

@@hrfunk This is why I think the M&P is currently the best striker fired pistol for police issue. It has a longer trigger travel than the Glock and does not require the officer to pull the trigger to field strip it. I'd prefer a traditional DA/SA weapon for police issue, but clearly it is now a striker fired world. The very things that make the M&P less popular for civilian shooters make it better as a patrol weapon in my opinion.

[@hrfunk]

@@PPISAFETY Considering your comments regarding the trigger on the M&P as well as my experience carrying an SW99 for about 7 years (not to mention training others to carry it), there may have been more wisdom in the Walther P99 (SW99) "Anti-Stress" trigger system as a general issue law enforcement sidearm than we ever realized.

[@PPISAFETY]

@@hrfunk You're probably right Chief. When the P99/SW99 first came out, I wrote an article on the pistol where I made some rather snarky fun of the decocker being positioned for the hand of a space alien. The pistol turned out to be much better than I gave it credit for, and if I had a choice I'd probably prefer it to even an M&P. I've investigated enough accidental discharges by cops to know that for the first shot in police work, a longer pull is better. Cheers.

[@Allenmar73]

@@hrfunk I was going to mention that AST on the Walther. I thought it was great but, the ergonomics made me sell it. My finger was too short for good use of it.

[@rayraman3243]

Thank you so much for the review and I was looking at purchasing the reflex.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.

[@johnnybee3444]

Thank you for your honest opinions ! . Watched other videos where guys are blasting 75 yard shots accurately with the Fns-9c and federal 115 ammo .... pretty short barrel to shoot like that

[@augustinasvilkas]

My reflex is also hitting low and to the left. Im adding a holosun on it so ill see if i can zero it to be a little better. I thought it was just me but it seems some other people are experiencing that as well. thanks for the review

[@hrfunk]

I’ve seen multiple reports of that happening.

[@rudydedogg6505]

I've owned an FN FNS-40C for a few years and I like it a lot so when the Reflex was made known I knew I had to have one. Two days ago I bought one, yesterday I took it to the range and put 105 rounds through it and this morning I sent it back to FN. The pistol fits me very well, the workmanship is first rate and I love the trigger but, like your first five-shot group, my shots averaged 3 1/2" low and 3/4" to the left at 21 feet. I am relieved to know that this wasn't just me and I'm sure FN will be able to install a front sight of the correct height then adjust the windage to where it needs to be. I never expected it to be a tack driver but I do expect it to go "bang" each time I squeeze the trigger and it does that admirably. Semper Fi, Brother! 1st MAW, DaNang, RVN '70-'71

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi! That tendency to strike low and left seems to be pretty common with the Reflex. I hope FN gets it sorted out for you.

[@DarrellShirts]

I like the way you get right to the point. Honest and to the point.. That's best form of training... My front sight flew off of my issued Beretta. At 25 yards the trigger allowed me to get three of the last five into the bucket.. lol the good old day's..

[@JohnDoe-mf5sc]

Right to the point Jesus he had 2 minute videos this was the longest beat around the bush 😂

[@DavidJStynchcombe]

I was considering the Reflex and the Hellcat. I might go with the Hellcat.

[@mdubb4855]

Ok. I’m going to get the Apex A1 Compact or the IWI Masada Slim before the FN Reflex, give the Reflex a few more years to season in the market place and work the bugs out.

[@chevyvega6622]

thank you for the vid....ill be looking at another handgun to buy....nice quiet looking range...

[@jimwalden7863]

I just got one of the FN Reflex pistols. Right out of the box it shot low 6 inches and left 4 inches. Tried two difficult brands of ammo. Same results. I moved the rear sight to the right and brought the grouping in line. Still 6 inches low. After talking with FN, I sent it in to them to take a look at. They moved the rear sight back to where it was originally and sent it back to me. They didn’t do anything to address hitting 6 inches lower than point of aim. When I get it back, I’m selling it. I may have to look at the Hellcat.

[@hrfunk]

That tendency to shoot low/left seems to be pretty common. May I ask at what distance you were shooting?

[@jimwalden7863]

I was shooting from 10 yds. I sold the Reflex and bought a S&W Shield Plus Performance Center pistol. Love it. And it shoots to point of aim. No more FN’s for this gun dealer.

[@cbwelch4]

I just got mine and I love where it breaks like myVP9, far forward. I like that versus especially breaking to wards the frame. I like this setup because for me it breakd before I can screw it up. I am a fan. The trigger is awesome and after my initial 200 rounds. I obliterated the center of the target. It could be your sight. Mine came dead on, but my Beretta came off and I had to send it back to Accokeek.turns out the rear sight, which I kept was not flush. Beretta has been around for 500 years. They don't suck. Very few of my pistols and rifles have come dead on. Gotta be careful of accuracy claims. That can be subjective. But you are a good shot as I have seen in many of your vids. On a new gun, you have to check the zero. I was tearing it up right away. That light trigger was helping me get good hits. Different people might shoot the gun better. That happens too. The recoil impulse is much worse on my LC9s and also the normal P365. The recoil impulse on my Reflex is middle of the road, but does not hurt or sting even a little. To me, the normal Hellcat has more recoil. I didn'tlike it because it had pronounced trigger slap. But that was a sample of one unit although I have heard others say the same thing about the Hellcat. Some love it. My friend sold it for that reason and got a P365x. Once again this could be subjective. I have three XD's and they are great guns. To me the XDS was a better shooter than than the Hellcat with me behind the trigger. Just my .02, but I was killing it with the Reflex. I'd post the results if you want and post a link. Love your reviews in general and respect you highly. Just wanna post my .02 because I have had a different experience. I'd bet your sights are off or your pulls are not quite right. Shoot from a bench. You're a good shot. By the way I got so frustrated with the amount of take up my 92fs had and I'd pull shots down, that and the defect on the rear sight, which I later discovered was my defective rear sight. You know who helped me outwit that gun? The late Paul Harrell (RIP). His video on Beretta 92 trigger cadence make that same gun a 50 yard beast today. I'm a very patient gun owner now. It took me a longer time to shoot Glocks as well as an M&P. The ergos are less natural for me.

[@hrfunk]

It's also possible that I tested an early example, and FN has improved the pistols since then. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!

[@MrHitthespot]

I bought one around 3 weeks ago. After 500 rounds I’ve had one failure to feed. Gun shoots dead on with very tight groups, although I have to combat hold with the front site dead on my target.. I find no trouble or problems with the trigger other than its extremely light. Definitely worrisome with no external safeties. However with that light trigger it shoots like a dream.

[@johnherr3579]

Good morning HR, part 2. You're right, there are many guns available with more features, less problems, and lower price. With an external hammer you can see or feel when the gun is ready to fire. And it's probably easier to manufacture. Thanks for the double feature today and have a good weekend.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@tomemery3916]

The only way to be is honest about the pistol. Appreciate it.

[@colt45acp1000]

Intelligent, honest commentary. Thanks!

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@georgehumphries7802]

I just received mine - sure like the feel in my hand. To be completely fair, you should try different brands of ammo before making definitive conclusions. And adjust the sights if necessary.

[@hrfunk]

I don't think I made any difinitive conclusions. I just expressed my opinions.

[@nickamalfitano3613]

Low left is common with this pistol

[@frankvivone485]

I wish more people on the channel were as well spoken, open to different ways to look at a situation; "articulate". Thanks

[@hrfunk]

You are most welcome Frank. Thanks for watching!

[@laughingdog6010]

Excellent review, thanks.

[@johnlacasse8893]

Thank you for the honest review... Im reserving final determination for me until I shoot one myself... Im also not very recoil sensitive, my EDC is the Shield 45, with occasional rotation of Shield 40, but i prefer a 9 mm that shoots "soft", if I'm shooting a 9... Kinda funny, since my go to caliber is usually 40, for my home defense setup... Anyway, I love your reviews and find them helpful and informative.

[@protectiverailroaddad7541]

I carry my shield 45 on occasion and I think it shoots like a bigger gun. As a matter of fact it recoils less than my hellcat imho. I mostly carry bigger guns anymore while I still can.

[@PPISAFETY]

I'm with you Johnlacasse, I'm a .40 guy for home defense, now in the guise of a very inexpensive M&P full size loaded with 180 grain HST's. This round feels a lot like a 185 grain .45 ACP and I keep 15 rounds in the gun. I was using my SIG P226 in this role, but I've configured that pistol to shoot 4 calibers so I'd rather not have it stolen if someone breaks into my home while I'm away and manages to break in to my gun lockbox.

[@ByronETAWheels]

After about 600 rounds through mine, the trigger improves a good bit. Its pretty light, and FN has stated they will be making a model with a manual safety. Ill probably trade mine in when they hit the market. My gun also shoots a little low and left, but i found using a combat sight picture, center of the dot helps tighten things up nicely. I will probably try a shorter front sight, so i jave consistency between carry guns. I edc a 1911 aluminum, and a G48 which i also enjoy. The FN is more fun to shoot than the 48 or my CZ P10S. It really seems like its me having to adjust to a micro compact with bear paw hands. I really enjoy it though. Id love to see your thoughts after a 500-600 round count.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks. I’m sure I could adapt to the FN pistol in time, but I just wasn’t inclined to do so. Other handguns work better for me, so I returned the Reflex. Thanks for watching!

[@Sglass408]

Great review!! Thanks.

[@bobbyw9046]

Chief, excellent review! The only thing I would have added is firing it with 124 grain fodder - many times that results in raising the elevation of the POI. The windage is like you said, easily adjusted by drifting the rear sight. I agree with pretty much 100% of your review and while the FN is a promising pistol, I am not ready to give up my coveted Sig P365 for it. Even though I live in a "free State" that allows more than 10 round mag's, the higher capacity ones are too cumbersome for pocket carry. They should also offer a 10 round flush mag. for better pocket concealment and for those States that are restricted to 10 round mag's. I'm sure there will shortly be heavier trigger springs that would increase the trigger pull to 5.5 or 6 lbs, and the manual safety option would be a good idea for someone choosing this pistol. Also like you demonstrated, wile not exactly a tack driver, it's accurate enough for its intended purpose of SD. Not nearly as accurate as my P365, but not an issue. While you did not have any FTF during actual practice, what you demonstrated about the "dead trigger" was a bit disconcerting. I guess if one does everything correctly and all the ammo is good, there should not be any issues, but again, just another worry. All that said, probably after being tweaked a bit it would be a very good SD choice. For right now though, My second Gen. P365 isn't going anywhere. Once again, you did aa very impressive, honest and professional review!

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Bobby. I'm glad you found it to be informative.

[@WN_Byers]

There is a ten round version.

[@garciajacob38]

They do offer ten round mags

[@WN_Byers]

@@garciajacob38 thanks. I already said that

[@PIPEBITE]

Kudos on the overall range report but particularly for identifying the essential factor: beware of that 4 lb. trigger!

[@jeffgenchi5863]

Thank you for your great review.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Jeff. Thanks for watching!

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Part II outstanding Howard

[@SIGP365]

Thank you for the review HR. I have had a couple of FN pistols and just never warmed up to them. I liked their looks and they were totally reliable, but I just could not shoot them as well as my CZ and SIG pistols. Not every gun is right for every person. BTW, I think that you are an excellent marksman. Anyone one that thinks otherwise is just wrong. Best regards.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@nealgold8442]

Thank you for an in-depth honest review. I was definitely considering buying this gun, but was concerned about it being a hammer fired & quasi single action with no safety. So I won’t be buying it. If FN were to make a version with an external thumb safety, this gun would be a viable option.

[@hrfunk]

It’s available with a safety I believe.

[@nealgold8442]

@@hrfunkI have yet to find any information or source on the gun being offered with a thumb safety.

[@hrfunk]

@@nealgold8442 I may have made an erroneous assumption based upon the description on the FN website. In the detailed info about each of the Reflex models, the letters "NMS" accompany the other descriptive abbreviations. I suspect NMS stands for "No Manual Safety." When I saw that, I think I surmized their was a "Manual Safety" version. I may well have been wrong, although I wouldn't be surprised if a manual safety version is offered in the future.

[@nealgold8442]

Thanks for the clarification. I truly hope you are correct. If they produce a model with a thumb safety……I’d be in line in a heart beat!! Looking forward to your next video!!

[@johnnybee3444]

@@nealgold8442 And if your left handed its impossible .

[@joshuaestes-oz1eu]

thank you for the honest review.

[@Navy95]

Oh man like everyone else I have purchased this FN Reflex. I’m a good shooter it’s not ammunition nor trigger finger. The gun shoots 6 inches low, 2 to 3 inches left. I’ve given my pistol to someone else they stood up to the line and shot at the exact same way. I know that I can put a red dot on this and zero the pistol so the problem would be solved. However, it is unacceptable to me that there is a Irons Sights issue on this pistol when there doesn’t have to be. I’ve called FN twice and I feel like I’m getting the runaround. The first time the lady asked me how many rounds I had through it. I told her 80. She asked me to put 200 rounds through it. Question #1 - has anyone shot there reflects enough to know if that would make a difference or not? Question #2 - has any validated that the front sight is too tall. An actually modified or file down the front site in order to absolutely confirm that that resolve the issue? #3 Question/Assumption - has anyone gotten FN to admit that there is a problem with QA and or specs if so, can you please tell me exactly what they said and or did to resolve your problem. Thanks

[@hrfunk]

Unfortunately, I cannot answer yes to any of your questions.

[@Navy95]

@@hrfunk I know brother. And you did a great review. By the way, I know you already got rid of the gun. I’m stuck with this thing, because I actually paid for it versus it being a loner. 😂 I wanted to love it. It amazes me how many of these KZbinrs gave this pistol of blazing thumbs up all around, and none of them picked up the fact that it’s shot the way it did except for you. And one other guy. I picked it up as soon as I shot my very first round I said oh Houston we have a problem.

[@hrfunk]

@@Navy95 I’m sorry to hear that. The reason I try to put out the most honest info I can is to help people avoid the situation you’re now in. I hope FN gets it straightened out for you. Best of luck.

[@rider547]

Thanks for the review! Very good information! 👍🏻

[@marvnation924]

You're definitely a good shot and after watching several reviews every single one seemed to have similar issues with the shots landing low and left and several people from different sources stating they're having the same issues, so I definitely believe there's some QC issues with the sights on these FN's. One reviewer measured their rear sight and it was left by a millimeter or two. Which is a shame since they've withheld their release of their Reflex in order to mitigate these issues, seems like they somehow missed this one. Hopefully, since this only just came out, they resolve this issue quickly enough since this seems like a really nice option on the market. How do you feel the FN shoots compares to the Hellcat? Similar recoil/tracking? Curious because I have a Hellcat Pro I carry and have been interested in picking up something a bit smaller to fit into the rotation. I've heard from some people saying it's softer shooting compared to most micro's of similar size. Enjoying the reviews keep up the good work!

[@hrfunk]

The slide on the Reflex is easier to hand cycle. Other than that, I think the Hellcat wins in all the other categories. The HC recoils less. It’s more accurate. It shoots to the sights, and the sights are easier to pick up. I like the trigger better too.

[@chriskelly509]

Are they withholding releasing The Reflex? Because no one in my area has them and hasn't had them. But all the bigger gun shops have had the FN rep come through

[@marvnation924]

@@chriskelly509 It's pretty normal for FN to be slow when it comes to production, I'm guessing they just don't have the facilities and manpower that other firearm manufacturers have. It can take a while for them to really start getting them out on the shelves, but I have seem them available online...

[@chriskelly509]

@@marvnation924 I've been watching a lot of the reviews on this gun and it's just not looking like something I want to buy it seems like everyone is having these accuracy issues with it

[@marvnation924]

@@chriskelly509 yeah I've noticed several reviewers having their rear sights too far left from the factory, ive also noticed some reviewers having excellent accuracy tho so I'm pretty sure it's just a teething issues that'll most likely get sorted out after the first few batches have been produced and shipped. Hopefully..

[@steveb6103]

Hickok 45 had the first shots with one this morning on the Sunday shoot around. He had the same problem of pulling low left.

[@hrfunk]

That seems to be pretty common.

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks for the frank review. I like the look of the FN pistols, but have yet to buy one. They are on the pricey side. That trigger would also be a no sell for me.

[@hrfunk]

I keep wanting to find a new FN pistol that I’ll like and I keep being disappointed. I guess they just don’t build their firearms with me in mind.

[@Schlum99]

I have the same reflex, shot 200 rounds the other day and mine shoots low to the left also. I also shot better with the extended mag over the short mag, which makes sense. I haven’t adjusted the rear sight yet but may be doing so soon. I also noticed it is snappy, but it’s a small handgun, as for the trigger I really like it. Overall I really like the handgun, it is easy to CC.

[@hrfunk]

Good! The only thing that matters is that you like it and you’re confident in its performance.

[@danielk0106]

Well now I'm rethinking my purchase since you mentioned the trigger. Could you elaborate a little more? Are you saying it's too light for a carry gun?

[@hrfunk]

I've posted a more indepth description of the trigger issue in a couple of other comments below. I think I'll pin one of those responses to the top of this section.

[@johnnybee3444]

Yes , I am also rethinking ! I am left handed and leaning towards the Hellcat OSP now ( liking the Idea I could add the micro red dot , Thank you for your service ,

[@True-word74]

It’s in the lighter side and breaks really easy once you hit the wall

[@RustyJoe]

It is interesting that we’ve gone from folks being nervous about cocked and locked single action pistols, to folks carrying cocked striker single action pistols with no safety pointed at their junk. This has led manufacturers to put out more and more light triggered offerings, with no thumb safety options because the kids don’t want to have to worry about disengaging one under stress. But managing a light trigger pointed at a breathing human under stress is okie dokie 😉

[@hrfunk]

Having pointed handguns at living people on multiple occasions, I know well the feeling of holding a person’s life in the balance of a trigger pull. I would never want to kill someone only because the trigger was a few ounces lighter than I was expecting.

[@RustyJoe]

@@hrfunk my point exactly. 😊

[@davidhurley5032]

No arguing, but just a devil’s position - why would we be pointing a firearm at someone we didn’t intend to destroy?

[@hrfunk]

Imagine you confront someone in your home. You’re behind cover and the intruder is facing away from you. Are you just going to open fire, or are you going to attempt to hold him at gunpoint?

[@RustyJoe]

@@davidhurley5032 willing to destroy and intending to destroy are two different things. I am willing to destroy a threat to me or another. But I do not intend to destroy everything I point my gun at.

[@danbyers8462]

Great points and good video! Thanks HR. Good job!

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Dan. Thanks for watching!

[@hixnada8278]

Great video and I appreciate you taking the time to go into detail. Do you think FN has made running changes to the Reflex? Multiple folks reporting that the fun is shooting low and to the left. And the light trigger? Seems that’s something they would be able to fix easily also.

[@hrfunk]

If they have made any changes/improvements, I am not aware of them.

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍Thank you sir, appreciate your honest review.

[@scottstinger6548]

Reflex vs. Masada slim?... Which has less recoil?... Which do you prefer?

[@hrfunk]

Masada. Less expensive, softer shooting, optic ready.

[@Keith_1911]

Eye opening review. Thanks!

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@bobyjones3905]

I can hit a 3 inch plate consistently at 10 yards .the most accurate micros I own is the P365 and smith shield the reflex is pretty good

[@pfitraininggroup114]

Thanks for this review. Also carry a Hellcat and it is quite accurate. I handled a Reflex at the LGS and dry-firing and handling, everything checked out for me. However, the POI and accuracy issues you experienced seem to be widespread, and that makes it unacceptable, especially for the price. You just saved me several hundreds bucks and a lot of disappointment!

[@hrfunk]

My pleasure. I hope FN gets things ironed out with these pistols.

[@True-word74]

Just subscribed to your channel you helped me once with clynder send shake on my ruger . Quick question I noticed on my reflex when you disassemble and reassemble the recoil spring that goes on the barrel on the metal side not the polymer side has a little u cut . Which way should that face ? … when you hook it up to the slide and barrel ? 10:15

[@hrfunk]

I’m sorry, I wish I could help. Unfortunately, it’s been several months since I reviewed the Reflex, and I no longer have one to look at. If the owner’s manual doesn’t answer your question, I would recommend contacting FN’s customer service.

[@dennisl4000]

Thanks, nice review. I would be more concerned with the area of impact than the trigger. For me low left is more a Glock characteristic that I have issues with. A 4.5 pound 90 degree tigger I find desirable, but would need to shoot it to make a final determination. I did get to handle one at my LGS this week, but I have been shooting P365s for several years and see no reason to change.

[@daledavis4732]

if i was to get something like this, would probably opt out for the fn 509c. be a better match for up for my fn 509 midsize. the reflex seems like an interesting pistol, but i think the 509c would be better

[@jackbauer9077]

Thanks 4 the review! I’m going to give it a try! I didn’t love the hellcat or the pro, still have the pro, but the trigger always leaves a blister on my finger and they just aren’t enjoyable to shoot, after 300-500 rounds I’m tired of HellCat, so far my CR920 and CR920P are my favorite hands down, shoot amazing and I can shoot 500-1000 rounds in a day and they just keep on ticking, I probably shoot more that most since I have land and least shoot every weekend. Thanks for al the great gun reviews, you have been a ton of help!

[@hrfunk]

My pleasure. Best of luck with the Reflex!

[@justhere8149]

The Apex trigger kit is excellent in the Hellcat Pro give it a try if you like your HC Pro, that's what I did and it's my everyday piece now.

[@1buzzardmuzik]

Thank you for this info. Also thank you for your vid’s.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@stans5270]

I don't like the rear sight dots to be brighter than my front sight. I want ONE singular sight out front that holds all my attention, not two screaming headlights and something else that needs to be located.

[@thomaswhite2802]

Tack driver!!!

[@raystupka3823]

I recently hvae bought a Winson Combat 92 G that I am having the same issue of everything left. The trigger is outstanding so its not a Glock low left thing.The groups are not even low its just shoots left although the sites look perfectly centered and I love the sites. The further back I shoot, the more my groups drift to the left ,so yeah, I am just going to move the rear site a bit. Great review . My micro carrry`s are a Sig365 XL and a Smith And Wesson Shield plus Performance center.I must say I carry the Shield far more at this point. Not a huge fan of FN 9MM handguns but this one interested me so thanks for the honest review.Peace

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@Ollegram]

Man, I really like the look and idea of this Reflex however, the low-left issue seems to almost be across the entire board with the videos I have seen. People have noticed that the rear sight is drifted slightly left which would definitely lead to a left shot. I also see that FN has stated that the sights on this firearm are supposed to be a "combat hold" so that may be why some are shooting slightly low. I think I am still going to pick one up and see what I find out personally. Throwing an optic on it would obviously sort out this issue completely.

[@thomaswhite2802]

🥹too bad but a good video either way! (I prefer range guns for these reasons) glad I was here

[@algoneby]

I bought my first carry pistol a long time ago, before the market was flooded. Now every little change is scrutinized. I have submitted to the changes, but my very first carry gun is still very valid. All of the manufacturers tweaks, and study of what will sell, still isn't really cutting it beyond what was available before the surge.

[@hrfunk]

May I ask what you selected?

[@algoneby]

@@hrfunk Glock 27

[@zogger5281]

Nice review! I would not want to carry this gun. A less than 5 lb trigger with a short trigger break and no safety would not make me comfortable to carry. Thanks!

[@troyspurling1910]

Good honest review Sir.

[@joeytomato]

I've wanted to love every gun FN has made since I bought my 1982 Hi Power about 15 years ago... Probably bought close to a dozen various makes and models, and honestly, I just can't make myself appreciate anything "modern" they have made. I currently have a 509, but only because I've collected the MHS guns, and it's part of that collection. The reflex was on my list of micro 9s... But after a few "honest" reviews on KZbin, I'm second guessing that.

[@hrfunk]

I hated to give the Reflex a negative review, but I had to be honest.

[@joeytomato]

@@hrfunk I'll take honest over shill any day, all day!!!

[@sycamorebacker1]

You mentioned shooting left and the trigger. I have noticed that when shooting different guns, my accuracy varies. I have often wondered if LOP at the break can make a difference.

[@hrfunk]

I believe so, in as much as it determines how your trigger finger interfaces with the trigger. If the trigger is not pulled directly to the rear, the bore will be pulled out of alignment an instant before the sear releases. A shooter with good follow-through will detect the sights moving just before the trigger releases, but others will not.

[@ScottW4631]

Great thoughtful review. Always like your fair assessments of different firearms. Would be interested in how it compares to my Sig P365.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks. I don’t have a 365. If I did I would have showed it for a comparison.

[@SwatBeatsOfficial]

​@hrfunk I'd love to see your take on any of the P365 models. I'm between a P365XL, Hellcat, and this Reflex. So hard to make a choice. I got my fiance a Hellcat so I kind of want something different but still accurate and reliable.

[@joeyphillips1181]

Your the second person I have seen complain about hitting left with that gun lol I have had a couple of guns that just hit left like that regardless how well I shot them sometimes it just happens

[@hrfunk]

Drifting the sight a bit would likely cure that issue.

[@latigomorgan]

The design sure reminds me of the Keltec P11, except that one has a mile long trigger pull.

[@hrfunk]

It’s considerably different than the P11.

[@18wheeler77]

Great review. I thought the same myself. Don’t like the trigger. And the reason why the trigger is really light is because typically all internal hammer fired handguns have a lighter trigger pull than most striker fired guns. But for that price, I’d get me the Sig P365. Trigger is much better.

[@hrfunk]

My concern is not so much the weight. At 4.5 lbs, I don’t think it’s excessively light. Rather, it’s “relatively light.” When combined with the fact that it breaks farther forward than other similar handguns, the perception is that it’s firing during the take-up stage.

[@michaelsherman1018]

It would be nice to see factory ammo run through the FN. (Winchester etc.)

[@hrfunk]

I did run factory ammo through it.

[@Paladin1873]

I didn't see any manual or passive safeties. If it's always cocked, what keeps you from blowing a hole in your toe?

[@natjonestower3035]

A good holster, or common sense.

[@Paladin1873]

@@natjonestower3035 Would you carry a revolver cocked and holstered?

[@natjonestower3035]

@@Paladin1873 No, but I would carry a double action revolver, if it had no hammer, holster free, or with the appropriate holster if it had one. If the real question is "would I just toss an FN reflux into my pocket racked and ready without a holster?", the answer is no. But I regularly carry a Hellcat or an LCPll in a pocket holster, ready to go, and have never felt unready or unsafe. The hinge trigger on this FN seems to do about the same thing as a blade safety. Just engineering differences achieving the same goal.

[@hrfunk]

FN would probably contend that the hinged trigger and firing pin block render the pistol safe for carry. I could foresee some potential danger for folks who are careless when it comes to their chosen carry method.

[@Paladin1873]

@@hrfunk That's part of my concern. I haven't studied the internal mechanism of the pistol so I don't know how safe it really is. If the hinged trigger is the only safety, then I doubt I would carry it fully loaded under any conditions. I have a similar issue with the Sig P365. The first one I bought had a frightfully light trigger pull, so much so that I would not carry it unless it was in a holster. I do not have such qualms with the lowly Kel-Tec P11 or a S&W Centennial, though I still use pocket holsters to keep lint out of them.

[@homegrownson]

We were considering the Fn Reflex MRD with the better sight, but the wife like me focuses on safety as Priority and or other guns in this Class, what would you recommend in same concealed carry class for us to Shoot this weekend when selecting her Pistiol, and we live on 40 acre farm

[@hrfunk]

It is always hard for me to recommend a firearm to another person with whom I am unacquainted. Since I don't know her level of familiarity with handguns, or her overall firearms acumen, I have a very difficult time coming up with a suggestion. A lot of shooters like the S&W Shield Plus. I am pretty fond of my IWI Masada 9S. Of course there are also the myriad Glock variants available. Any of these would probably be a good place to start.

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

Interesting results. I handled one of these at my range 2 weeks ago when the FN Rep was in town. I didn't get a chance to shoot it, but those that did were a lane away & their shot groups all had 1st round flyers...

[@hrfunk]

I suspect that was due to the different feel of the trigger.

[@mikewithers299]

​@hrfunk I had the same issue with my Shield Plus where all my shots were low or low/left. My full size m&p's were tight and centered. I found I was gripping the Shield too tight trying to control recoil from that tiny snappy gun. I relaxed my grip a little and watched my groups climb back to center. It's worth a try. I almost got rid of it for that reason, but now I'm keeping it. Great videos, as I was going to recommend this Reflex to my sister bcuz the recoil spring is easy to rack compared to the Shield 1.0 she has now.

[@sycamorebacker1]

@@mikewithers299 Relaxed your grip of which hand? That is the opposite of what I would think.

[@mikewithers299]

@sycamorebacker1 my dominant hand. It what I thought also. My problem was too much grip was forcing shots down. It didn't make sense until I tried. Remember I work construction 40 years and grip was everything when handling heavy nail guns and power tools.

[@hrfunk]

What you’re describing is pretty common. People with strong hands and a powerful grip often tend to squeeze all their fingers while pressing the trigger. The pressure from the middle finger, ring finger, and little finger work against the thumb of the shooting hand which becomes a fulcrum. That leverage will pull down the muzzle and cause the shots to strike low. If you watch the front sight closely, you’ll see it dip at the instant the trigger release. The best way I know of to alleviate this tendency is through dry-fire practice. Watch the front sight closely all the way through the trigger press and make sure there is no movement even after the trigger breaks.

[@danielk0106]

Picked one up. Accurate but it sucks. 200 rounds and the mag release is stuck inside the grip. FN told me to leave it alone and send it to them because I could damage something. Haven't heard from them since that first email response.

[@hrfunk]

Have they sent you a shipping label to return it?

[@danielk0106]

@@hrfunk Crickets. I called today and was put on hold so long I hung up.

[@hrfunk]

@@danielk0106 That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear that.

[@danielk0106]

@@hrfunk Yeah, that'll be my last FN. I'm selling it.

[@murphtahoe1]

Every review I have seen with iron sights has been shooting at 7:00 and both sights needed to be adjusted. That should not be the case with a new weapon from a manufacturer like FN.

[@hrfunk]

I agree.

[@juan-carlostome7127]

Rear sights adj.left? To shoot front right?😊

[@colt45acp1000]

I would like to see a review of the Smith and Wesson 10 mm 4.6” barrel. I have one and like it a lot, except for the sights. No matter what I do, I hit way low. I have been shooting pistols for about 40 years, and have never encountered this problem before.

[@hrfunk]

If I can get my hands on one, I’ll review it. Have you considered sending yours back to S&W for inspection/repair?

[@guynall4025]

Seems like a interesting gun but I think I will stick with my fn503 yes less rounds but extremely accurate and reliable for me

[@jetman1979]

It seems to me from all the reviews that this pistol shoots low and left. I think this is my next pistol hope fn can fix the sights to tack driver status.

[@hrfunk]

So do it. I haven’t seen a recent review to know if that issue still exists.

[@DarrellShirts]

Great range shirt!

[@hrfunk]

Thanks. I got a couple of these recently, and I like them too.

[@davidherbst]

This pistol looks fantastic. I like the glove-friendly trigger guard. Looks like the trigger it’s guarding too much of a liability.

[@RichGreenKs]

I noticed you are a FUNK. I went to high school with several Funks. Are you from the Indiana or Illinois Funks?

[@hrfunk]

No, sorry. I’m in Ohio.

[@wheeler71]

Thx for pt2 - interesting Pistol 👍🎯 carry on 🔫 🇺🇲

[@juan-carlostome7127]

FN,,good very good co.

[@gregcampwriter]

I wonder if I'm saving myself from some trouble by squeezing triggers all the way and releasing them all the way. I get that this adds time, but I'm not a competition shooter. My concern is to get shots on target, and in a defensive situation, would the difference be significant?

[@hrfunk]

I suppose that depends upon who you ask. The “shoot to reset” crowd would insist that you’re wasting precious time by releasing the trigger all the way to its forward most position and then restarting your press. I say if you shoot well that way and you’re comfortable with it, stick with it.

[@DK-gy7ll]

This pistol needs a manual safety option. I know a lot of folks hate 'em, but being an old cocked n' locked guy I just can't get used to the idea of a SAO handgun without one.

[@hrfunk]

I think such a version will be forthcoming. A lot probably depends upon how well the current versions sell.

[@seniorp9444]

FN recently announced a manual safety version

[@ShahinAmerian]

I would like to see your drills at least with 2 different ammo in shape and power , any way , good job Sir .

[@johnlacasse8893]

Also, Oorah...

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi!

[@chillios2222]

hr just ordered the CZ optics ready the P10 going to test it, there’s a sale on them 350, I’m retired army, bored I guess

[@hrfunk]

I hope you enjoy it. Let me know how it does.

[@chillios2222]

@@hrfunk I am going to do a video I got the night sights OR models en route hopefully, going to take to range with my son

[@HSmith-uk9hl]

A thoughtful review that fairly evaluates the pistol. It's a nice looking handgun but overall I'm not impressed with it as I believe my Canik MC9 to be better. (You didn't care for the MC9 either - but I do. LOL) FN, IMO, relies on their reputation and that only goes so far. It's been a very long time since FN has been innovative. They seem to be behind the curve and forever playing catchup. That's my impression.

[@hrfunk]

If so, that’s a sad commentary on a proud brand.

[@HSmith-uk9hl]

@@hrfunk I agree 100% and I wish it wasn't so. But FN isn't the only one and the argument could be made that the same is true of other famous name gun companies. You could do a series of videos on why Colt is now owned by CZ, Remington went kaput and other old line companies have struggled. It would be an interesting series.

[@hrfunk]

@@HSmith-uk9hl Believe it or not, I have already produced some videos on those topics. It's a sad state of affairs.

[@HSmith-uk9hl]

@@hrfunk Then I must go back and look for them. I've watched many of your past videos but often search for specific topics and probably overlooked them. Thank you.

[@hrfunk]

@@HSmith-uk9hl Specifically, look for the one I did on the demise of Remington and the decline of S&W.

[@user-hp8fn1wd7t]

Cant the pistol to the right a bit and it should end the left side drift.

[@hrfunk]

Then the shots will drift high.

[@D-Mag]

I have recently purchased a Reflex and it took 200+ rounds to stop shooting low and left. But I am constantly having issues with it going into battery periodically. I have tried several ammunitions thinking it was ammo related but it even did it with Sig V Crown and some Hornandy +P. Any thoughts or has anyone else have issues with it going into battery?

[@hrfunk]

That sounds like it has a weak recoil system. If I were you, I would send it back to FN for inspection/repair.

[@HigherLevelSound757]

This is the review we needed!!!! Thank you

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@juan-carlostome7127]

Fns9,,gets good steady groupings

[@paulstoyek381]

This video is the final nail in the coffin of the hinged trigger debate..RIP and good riddens..⚰️

[@hrfunk]

There is a debate?

[@harlanwayne9620]

I purchased the FN-FNS9. It was a police trade-in and it was practically new, however, it was also broken. Actually, the striker was broken; ok, no big deal, I'll just install a new FN striker. The new FN striker broke, also. Pardon my language but the trigger was absolute CRAP, too. Overall, it simply wasn't a pleasant gun to shoot. I'm not the best shot in the world, but I'm not the worst, either. No matter what I did, I could not get this handgun to group. This experience soured me on FN's so bad, that I never want to purchase another, no matter how good the marketing.

[@hrfunk]

I’ve never shot an FNS, but I was not impressed by the 509.

[@ktriley2408]

I’m trying to choose between the mossberg Mc2sc and the Reflex . Has anyone shot both?

[@hrfunk]

I haven’t tried a Mossberg yet. Sorry.