FNaF 4's Lost Story

[@SkeldarkUmbras]

“Every release out there has an effect in here.” Did not expect that ending message

[@mariataratina7359]

What I never see taken into account in theory crafting is the fact that Freddy's is a massive restaurant chain. In 1983 it already has a TV show and merch, they have training tapes, I highly doubt it was all based just off of one single restaurant in Hurricane, Utah. They must have many locations all over the country, and therefore I never understand why every time a "sister location" is mentioned it has to be one of the places we've seen as players. Why couldn't it be the Nevada branch or the North Carolina branch? Ironically, the only place I've ever seen acknowledge the chain aspect is Dayshift at Freddy's. I also always think of the implications of it being a chain on the animatronics. If there is multiple Freddy's, there must be the same number of Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy animatronics in existence? It's less obvious for the suits because maybe there actually was only one original Fredbear's, but even then I never see it discussed. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I always think about that when it comes to the saferoom tape

[@spaghettiiwithjuice9826]

i get why people never really mention this, as they assume EVERYTHING must be connected (which, who knows, it could be) but i too wonder why no one ever seems to mention the fact that Freddy's has been a massive franchise for a very long time. either people don't realize or they do and just don't mention it because it feels obvious or unimportant to note? i really dont know

[@Mr_Magolor]

I was thinking that too especially because it's directly stated in both Fazbear Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex to be the case. In Lonely Freddy were told that Foxy serves a different purpose in every location, which is a neat little nod to games were his exact role in the cast does vary, but in universe confirms that there are multiple Freddy's restorants. And Tales goes out of it's way to say there are multiple Pizzaplexes probably to make it ambiguous if the stories all happen in the same one, but that is still confirmation. Wether or not the Books are canon the idea that Freddy's is a larger chain is far from baseless.

[@alextempletYT]

I mean the very simple answer is because that’s not what the story is about? The majority of the story centers around the Afton family, so why would Scott bother adding irrelevant details about other locations

[@porcelainchips6061]

"Don't you remember what you saw" might be a hint that Dave Afton is trapped in a loop of his last week alive. What if he is always crying because he know what will happen eventually? Notice how it feels when you play through the cut scene bits; by your second play through you know where Mike is hiding, but you have to trigger the jump scare to progress the game. As much as Dave does not want to fall for it again, he has to because it's a looping series of events. And at the end of it, every time, he hears himself flatline; he hears his brother say that he's sorry and he hears that promise again... That promise which might be the reason he keeps looping and can't seem to move on.

[@AloneTheorist]

Fnaf world and UCN might help such an idea as they both have some pretty big Fnaf 4 connections with anything from voice lines to mid gameplay statements. UCN even has a cutscene of Golden Freddy still functioning retreating into what appears to be the same void Dave died in.

[@L1z43vr]

Or... You know... The thing he saw might be a misunderstanding as the Scott posts implied. He could have seen his dad put on a suit and interpreted it as him being eaten by an animatronic. The reason why Dave _has_ to trigger Mike's jumpscare might not be because of a time loop, but because Mike's been doing this for a while now. By the time FNaF 4 starts, Mike seems to be bullying CC for a while (ripped Foxy plush, locking him in his room, etc.). Not everything in horror games has to be a time loop.

[@Mira-o5x]

I wonder if the pill bottle was an oversight by Scott because in CCs condition his medicine would be administered through his IV. Or is it sleeping pills for Michael?

[@theletterm2756]

Could be anti-depressants rather than sleeping pills. A nod to his guilt over what happened with his brother.

[@Takejiro24]

FNAF Movie seems to suggest they are sleeping pills.

[@Mira-o5x]

@@theletterm2756 that's not how antidepressants work

[@ghudbob8613]

@@Mira-o5x They don't necessarily need to work like that for the game to have it. scott could've not understood how they work or is more for a metaphorical nod to his guilt, but it's most likely just sleeping pills as you suggested.

[@theletterm2756]

@@Mira-o5x I don't know about you, but if I killed my sibling and carried that guilt I would be pretty depressed over it. But then again not being able to sleep over your guilt makes just as much sense. They really could be anything.

[@thedarkdevil1661]

5:04 THIS is where I think Mike first gets the inspo for the setting of the Fnaf 4 nightmares. (The theory mike was put in the chambers has always felt weird.) He sees it on the secret cameras, and he dreams about being in that setting. Like how the Fnaf 4 lot use the Fnaf 1 attack patterns yet look more like Fnaf 2 style animamtronics, AND Nightmare Fredbear has the Stomach Teeth (Symbolising how Elizabeth died "my stomach open. There was screaming for a moment"). I don't think he was THERE IN the rooms. But he DID see them. Also, it makes sense that he learns HOW to put Elizabeth "back together" BEFORE learning about CC/BV/DAVE being in a similar situation and needing that SAME help, so he does. (Instead of knowing about CC, via Fnaf 4, THEN going to SL)

[@sleepylmguy9968]

Hmmm 🤔…some of that fits. But if we follow that logical then I feel the need to question…why is he not dreaming of Nightmare version of Funtime animatronics? Think about every other Nightmare animatronics is at least version that Mike have seen before. PlushTrap = Springtrap. The 4 Main OGs get nightmares versions of themselves. BB, Mangle, and the Puppet gets nightmares version of them. But SL animatronics aka Funtimes don’t get different versions of themselves. Kind of hints that this is before Mike goes to SL. Because let’s be honest anyone would nightmare of after meeting Circus Baby and Funtime Freddy. Plus getting scooped.

[@thedarkdevil1661]

@@sleepylmguy9968 i believe it's implied the "NIGHTMARE" animatronics are the MCI spirits invading Mike's dreams (like the movie but more malicious). That's why it's not the Nightmare Funtimes, but still have elements that come from them, I.E Baby, and the experiment room. That's why The Nightmares are animatronics we KNOW are connected to the MCI. (Even Plushtrap can he seen as the MCI kids insert their knowledge of Follow me, and Springtrap) THAT'S why Nightmare Mangle and Puppet aren't canon. As for Nightmare BB being "canon"......Nor sure, tbh. Then we have Nightmare, A.K.A Shadow Freddy. The personification of William's Wicked actions during the MCI. (Combo of ALL the agony from the MCI, like Shadow Bonnie is for the DCI and Eleanor MIGHT be for William, based on Frights having a vision of her exiting William's chest. Not the same as Pit Bonnie, who is an agony creature made to play a specific role in the Ballpit MCI memories) BTW: (For HOW the MCI kids "followed" Mike home) I believe Follow me happens during Mike's....Possession by Ennard (due to how TFC orders the events. Funtimes are powered by dead kids, human remnant trials, William goes for more remnant from OTHER kids, and then the MCI kids "kill" William), then the spirits go from the pizzeria to Mike's house, due to CC/Dave's connection to him (They CAN leave the Pizzeria in Frights, the Movie, AND TWB, even WHEN still INSIDE the animatronics). However, if you believe MoltenMCI, then you COULD see it as Mike being injected with the remnant from the MCI kids, allowing them to connect to him and invade his dreams. (although the movie shows this ISN'T a requirement for Spirits to invade dreams)

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

2 big details I think are worth pointing out... 1. Another huge hint is the parallels between the prior games and 4's gameplay. Fun with Plushtrap is FNAF 3, keeping spring bonnie frozen in place so he can't reach you. The core animatronic set here(Golden Freddy and the OG 4) and the mechanic of checking the left and right doors and the sides they come from, Freddy and Foxy having special mechanics and needing extra attention, that's all FNAF 1. HOWEVER, the actual designs of the Nightmares are clearly based on the Withered Animatronics. Along with the bulkier build and wear/tear pattern being closer, a few key design details match perfectly, one on each. (Bonnie's missing his left foot, Foxy his right ear, Freddy's Ear design, and Chica's jaw design). Fun with Nightmare BB is also explicitly canon according to Scott, meaning they've seen BB. There's also the fact that the main mechanic in 4 is using 'a flashlight' to check for animatronics and stun them, or the fact that you have a big door in the center and two smaller ones on the left and right mirroring the 2 office setup. Or the hallway layout in Fun with Plushtrap matching the FNAF 2 entranceway perfectly(big open entrance, 4 doors on each side, animatronics approaching needing to be stopped by Flashlight, light source in the top middle). Or the simple fact whoever was at the FNAF 3 location has to have been at both 1 and 2 because of the Phantoms. I don't see any reason to deny Micheal is Fritz Smith, both the FNAF 4 dream and the details in 3 make it obvious. 2. That Purple Guy scene you wanted to understand the meaning of? Your theory isn't bad, might be right, but I have something else I want to note. This is the ONLY scene in the game where you don't see Fredbear Plush on screen while he's talking. He's there in almost every other scene, and in the ones he isn't there(like the Night 4 Closet scene) we don't hear him. Why would Fredbear plush not be present in the room when speaking when he ALWAYS is...and why is that the same room you can see Purple Guy in if you walk back there when you aren't supposed to? And WHY does this plush have Purple Hat and Tie when EVERY prior GF had black? I've seen a ton of people insist either PFF being a plush with a microphone and not a ghost was a retcon, or that we were the Afton family and not the Schmidts or something was a retocn. Here you go. These two details were meant to tell us Purple Guy WAS controlling Psychic Friend Fredbear all along. And if we had figured that out assuming this is his family given the Mangle and the access to the house isn't a streech.

[@Piggehh]

All sounds good to me, wanna just add some thoughts around the retcon. I am really sure that the one retcon is which suit william used, and it happened between 2 and 3. In 2, when phone guy talls about something bad happening, how a ”spare suit in the back, a golden one” was ”used”, and now everything is wrong, is the only night golden freddy springs to life. Considering how shallow the story still was at this point, this early on, the implication here isnt really subtle. William used golden freddy to kill people. Its why thats the night he springs to life, its why theres no endoskeleton in it, its a worn suit, that wasnt reallt meant to be used. Then fnaf 3 comes along, and he changed it to… some new golden suit, that we hadnt ever heard of until then, meaning it wouldve intentionally have had to be an unsolvable mystery in 2, which i doubt he was doing at that point. Couldnt think of a more smooth retcon, literally everyone agreed GF was the suit afton used, then 3 came out and everyone agreed it was spring bonnie, and no one ever turned back and questioned it, because there was no need, it didnt really create any story problems. It fits both the story changes, community narratives over the years, and how he described the retcon

[@siresquawks]

Point 2 is incorrect. If you walk all the way to the guy on the dialogue can play still for getting to close to the man.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

@@siresquawks Same scene is my point, that's literally right after what happened two steps to the left. That scene is the only time in meatspace the Plush talks without being on screen.

[@damkylan3]

1. Regarding Nightmare BB, Scott also said that Nightmarionne is not canon, even though Mike would have seen the Puppet under this logic. The BB logic could still work, but the Nightmarionne issue does work against it from fitting perfectly.

[@Takejiro24]

Curiously, NightMangle isn't canon as well. While I personally struggle to understand what that could mean, I like an explanation someone else gave as to why only Nightmare BB is canon: "Nightmare BB doesn’t replace important characters. And he’s the only nightmare who sets the gameplay firmly after 1987. We know the puppet and mangle existed in some way in 1983, but Balloon Boy has no known appearances before FNaF 2"

[@playmaster_plus]

Always a good time when Sire Squawks drops a video

[@someonenamedsomeone9497]

Halloween special 🎃

[@zetorocks811]

I think this is the best video on FNaF 4’s original story that I’ve seen. I have a few minor disagreements here and there but overall it’s very good

[@Swing_Bonnie]

its kinda interesting that you mention it because FNaF is still constantly doing the whole story subversion thing almost every game like its some sorta New Super Mario Bros. game. You learn about this virus over the course of the game which it tries to convince you that you can defeat it; actually it took you over (or what ever the game originally meant about a digital conscious transference) and there's a pretty good chance you are the next major villain. You slave for hours to make it to the bottom Pizzaplex to fight the final boss which completely destroys the building that the free DLC seems to follow the same thread; nah fam, actually its a completely different ending that's cannon and the building gets completely destroyed through a different fashion. Trying to save your only childhood friend that is stuck at the bottom of the same dilapidated building, turns out it a completely new character -unless you read the books- that lured you down here and not a single ending has you presumably leaving that cave alive. Want to get to the bottom of what is happening at a certain underground restaurant? turns out either you get killed by the same virus from a couple games back to doom some girl ,who in fact might be your daughter, to a similar fate or the same person that was supposed to be freed by the virus's influence is for some reason still being influenced by at and kills it yet simultaneously leaves you to rot in a VR claw machine.

[@prufan]

" or the same person that was supposed to be freed by the virus's influence is for some reason still being influenced by" Vanessa was freed from the virus, that's why she destroyed Glitchtrap. I think she's the friend that Gregory mentioned in Ruin. As for the "not a single ending has Cassie leave the caves alive" she's alive in the Scooper room ending and destroyed the Mimic. Plus she's still alive at the end of the Elevator ending.

[@Takejiro24]

You know what I found interesting: in every between night minigame/8-bit minigame starting from FNAF 2 up to FNAF 4 (even up to SL except its Custom Night which is an epilogue), the events depicted always transpire BEFORE the events of the main gameplay (FNAF 3's Happiest Day minigames are possible, weird exceptions). That would mean Crying Child couldn't have been the player character if he was in a coma/dead, right?

[@FNAFGamer_2023]

That’s a brilliant observation! And, yeah, I agree that it makes more sense for the Older Brother to be the one tormented with nightmares due to his guilt

[@Takejiro24]

​​@@FNAFGamer_2023 Thanks for the comment. It's much appreciated 👍 And I also find it very compelling for Mike to be the one having the nightmares because of guilt and/or some outside force.

[@Taro_Yanada]

I'm so glad to hear *anything* from you again!

[@LeaveMeAlone3-c5b]

Same

[@TaiSaysHello]

i've recently seen a theory that the reason the fnaf 4 minigames, and the fredbear plushie specifically, are so weird is because they're actually cassidy going into bv's memories to help him piece them together (unfortunately i don't remember who made that theory)

[@mystrenula3911]

I'm pretty sure Sire Squawks has talked about that before

[@TaiSaysHello]

@mystrenula3911 i have pretty bad memory so i likely forgot

[@siresquawks]

@@TaiSaysHello Jokiquinn on Reddit made that theory and I’ve featured it before. I’m a fan of it overall- but the goal of this video was the Mike/Tangible half of 1983 so it didn’t feature here.

[@TaiSaysHello]

@@siresquawks understandable. i just often see a topic, think of something else that somewhat relates to it, and feel it'd at least be fun to mention

[@RossLynchFan2005]

FNAF 4s story is genius because it shows the loss of childhood innocence while the truth is buried in shadows. We see the joy in the other children as this tragedy slowly progresses and builds itself and when that illusion of innocence is broken then we fully understand what is happening.

[@rice.7665]

what if "the sister location" being Fredbear's is the one retcon? think about it, given that this was recorded from a freddy's, and the only "other" location known to exist at the time was FBFD, in a game surrounding a character from that location, that was the obvious intention. but, SL was named that likely named that in reference to that comment in fnaf 3, and its unlikely scott didn't assume we would connect the dots. that, and SL went in and retroactively changed a bunch of things about the story anyhow. not to mention the story shifted around the mention of that location.

[@GG128_]

after watching the unwithered truth's recent video and now this, this seems very likely

[@SmallPotato95]

But it’s never referred to as sister location in the games also that kinda screws up the whole timeline so there was a death and spring lock failure on circus baby pizza worlds first day? And it was opened at the same or similar time to Fnaf 0?

[@malucart]

Do you know about Charlie's gender changing?

[@techmark3665]

@@malucartthe one retcon predates ffps so that can’t be it

[@rice.7665]

Also, this doesn’t screw up a timeline for a completely different theory I have, that objects have to be sufficiently “charged” with agony before they can become possessed. Henry would have agonized over the puppet allowing it to become possessed, William would have seen this and had the fun-times built. They don’t work the first time around because there’s no agony attached to them, except for baby who William agonizes over after Elizabeth dies. From there William takes a step back and commits the MCI feeding off of BV’s negative emotion towards the animatronics or something like that, hence why he would need them for molten MCI.

[@leviasyn]

the end of the theory kinda aligns with the movie plot. im not a fan of external media (non games) affecting lore but i use them as reference to fill the holes off what we dont know. i feel this theory aligns with mike abby in subtle ways. W vid

[@nrudy]

I think this is really onto something and yes, I think a lot of this story got changed with Sister Location's release. Because specifically, the characters of Elizabeth and Charlie changed at this time and became their current versions. But when 4 released, I'm pretty sure Charlie and Elizabeth were mostly merged in one character that got changed when the story expanded and characters started getting names.

[@ChesterCipher-xe2yg]

5:06 The 1983 passcode could also just be referring to when Fazbear Entertainment was founded. Seems like a reasonable passcode to make

[@ckaredasf]

12:09 William did use a springlock suit in this exact manner on Carlton in the silver eyes! I agree, it doesn’t rly fit the description of the springlock failure suit, they’re probably just talking about the big bite but writing it off as a technical issue instead of kids misbehaving around dangerous equipment. Both the ‘culprit’ and the bite victim were the owner’s sons after all so they couldn’t exactly put the truth on blast and crucify them for it

[@TheHaddonfieldRegistry]

Listen, Scott says nothing in 4 was an easter egg, right? And the guard putting someone in suits is clearlyimportant yeah? Ok, so I kinda always took the whole "misunderstood in the mind of a child" was scott's clumsy way of just calling attention to it, because he added that animation to hint that hiding bodies in suits is what the child saw. Does that make sense?

[@AltUTimegod2006]

Another detail that makes feeds into the idea of Springtrap being a employee trapped in the suit is that in his jump scare he doesn’t clearly attack you, but after you realize it’s purple guy you realize that it’s simply because of how broken the suit is

[@Private-Potato]

Happy Halloween, Squawks

[@fakeorchestra4260]

I geniuently believe because of the journal leaks that Scott geniuently had a story planned out more than less just fuzzy on the details. I think he knew what the motivation of Afton was and why he was killing (angered at the hurt pride when he lost his child he lashes against someone else who he sees as happier than him and then keeps killing) but he was just REALLY BAD at communicating all of that.

[@Quinhala11]

What journal leaks?

[@pizzastopstime]

If you are referring to the phisnom thing, that was all fake

[@jaffarmoukdade879]

@@pizzastopstimecould you tell what you're talking about please?

[@ItsNothingRichy]

i been waitin for someone to drop this.

[@porcelainchips6061]

I still struggle to believe the flowers, IV line and pill bottle are connected to Dave. They seem like three stages of someone declining; they go on medication, they end up rigged-up to an IV line and then tulips (symbolic of mothers) are the flower chosen as the condolence flowers. In most cases, white roses are given at funerals for any loss, but tulips are very, very connected to mothers, mother's day (in the USA) and easter. It just seems like to me that FNAF is showing the cause of why Mike bullies his bother/ is not being stopped from bullying his brother; there is no mother to stop the harassment. Mike is 12 or 13, he's still a kid and he's "stewing" on thoughts about losing his mother. Dave is the easy target; he's easy to scare (because he's struggling with the loss as well) and their father is willfully absent / not there to help either of them. Then, ironically, Mike kills his brother, when the origins of the bullying came out of a death in the family. And he's sorry; he, in that flatline moment, wholly realizes the weight of what he did and that his grief spilled out into more grief. If SL didn't have the immortal and the restless, and if the logbook didn't have a reference back to that, I would be more willing to believe the flowers were for Dave, but the "stages" those objects represent paired with the choice in specific flowers and then the references to Mike relating to a Mother-like figure (Clara is the "normal" parent, Vlad is the "monster" parent who does not love his "monster" son) over twice makes me think that FNAF4 was suppose to be a story about all the family members, not just the two brothers.

[@FNAFGamer_2023]

I would love to hear your opinion about something in FNAF 4 that has been bothering me for almost a decade at this point and I think it’s extremely important for solving FNAF 4’s original story WTF is up with the girl room in FNAF 4???? Nowadays we know it’s Elizabeth’s room, but whose was it back then? And how does it fit into the story??? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. Also, Happy Halloween!! 🎃

[@siresquawks]

Honestly in the lone context of 4 the most likely candidate for the sister is the girl in the playground in front of your house- and she is maybe the only kid in the area who doesn’t pick on BV. Not only is Elizabeth’s design uncannily similar minus an eye color change and hair color tweak- but she plays with the toys based on the toy animatronics. The girls room has mangle- the only missing character of the set. Honestly a contender for “the retcon” was that her design was updated between games. Same general vibe just tweaked some. It doesn’t really effect the story and most people didn’t notice- but is notable enough to be a retcon as Baby’s eye color change was important to the plot of SL. Knowing that Baby used to have blue eyes and an earlier model had brown hair also adds to this. I think she only really existed in 4 to have the mangle and Chica toys as Mike/foxy bro needs to be elsewhere to jumpscare the player

[@johnes2337]

@@siresquawks Did you notice that the girl in FNAF 4 looks eerily similar to Scrap Baby from FNAF 6??? They both have similar hair colour and a orange/red colour scheme with a shirt and skirt. You should make a video about this, or raise this as a topic of discussion (if you haven't done so already).

[@AloneTheorist]

One thing I wonder about happiest day, Why weren't there 7 characters present? If the party was set up to buy freedom for the MCI, Charlotte Emily and CC, Why are there ONLY 6 children present? That makes it look like someone skipped the party especially with UCN Fredbear and the UCN Golden Freddy cutscene up for consideration as someone has to pilot that suit into that nightmare to punish Afton, which means they didn't rest. ONLY concrete evidence is that it was a HE who does this.

[@Takejiro24]

Only 6 kids appearing in Happiest Day (the 5 MCI Kids + 1 Charlie) always made the Crying Child stick out like a sore thumb even with FNAF World attempting to clarify his connections to it. If it helps, by the time of FFPS and maybe UCN, Happiest Day hadn't happened since the MCI are in the Funtimes/Molten Freddy and the Puppet is contained by Lefte.

[@xHavki]

I was really suprised to hear pony island music

[@pedrofromrio645]

Micheal had to be human during fnaf 1 because his eyes pop out of the costume on the death screen. If he was undead, he wouldn’t have any eyes to pop out of the costume.

[@siresquawks]

So?

[@smt64productions40]

To be honest FNaF 1 takes place before the events of Sister Location is most likely

[@L1z43vr]

According to the books, Remnant has healing properties, so who knows, he might still look human in FNaF 6.

[@ennard1789]

Yes, which is why Sister location is after fnaf 1.

[@johnes2337]

@@L1z43vr Micheal Afton going from facing off against high-tech murder robots in FNAF 5 to fighting clunky old 90s animatronics in FNAF 1 is one hell of a downgrade and too narratively unsatisfying to work.

[@Cross_Corp64]

The Lost Story on Halloween night: somehow Sire Squawks has returned

[@chararaltacc]

oh boy finally a video from weird crow man and the phonetime foxy is still there, classic

[@ebtheblue]

Perhaps the day the crying child is locked in the parts and service room shows him witnessing the springlocking of an employee in the fredbear suit. Another random thought that has come to mind is how undead Michael is purple. Maybe William is also purple in the minigames of 4, 3 and 2 because he has survived some sort of deadly experience as well, a springlocking like in the books. Also, William being orange in midnight motorist could represent how he hasn't survived a springlocking yet, just some thoughts. Happy Halloween 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@ayesa6908]

The first part is interesting, as for the William surviving a spring lock being the reason for being purple I don’t think that would be the case, we see in the silver eyes graphic novels that Williams spring lock scars are normal scars and he isn’t purple. And I think micheal being purple is just because he is decaying

[@johnes2337]

Both Micheal Afton and William Afton turn physically purple after they die. William Afton turns purple after getting springlocked inside an animatronic, while Micheal Afton turns purple after an animatronic scoops out his insides/internal organs. Surviving a springlock failure doesn't work narratively, as it makes the effects of springlocks appear less scary, dangerous, and tense.

[@PERIX_QR]

Yay! New squawks upload!

[@mushroom_gal490]

Happy Halloween to us!

[@Maxolotl124]

My reading is that the classic suits that the Freddy Fazbear's pizza opened with were springlocks. The springlock's fail at circus baby's, and a company-wide ban on that type of suit goes into effect, causing the classic suits at FFP to be retired. As for the "too dangerous" line, i feel like that could easily just mean that that particular suit wasn't the one that caused the spring lock failure, rather than it not happening at Circus baby's AT ALL. Like, there were probably SEVERAL spring lock suits at that location, so I don't see why ONE being taken off the list would mean that it couldn't possibly have happened there. Tbh i would just find it really strange if they talked about a springlock failure at a sister location in one game, and then two games later, in a game literally called sister location, they just happen to talk about a sister location that had spring lock suits that couldn't be used because of how dangerous they were, and there was no connection between these two things. Like, it's technically possible, its just a really confusing narrative choice.

[@ryanthecringeanimator9541]

This video got me thinking about the lost story of Fnaf 7 (Security Breach). Edit: for those who don't know, Security Breach isn't how it was supposed to be. Scott wanted Steel Wool to figure it out based on what he gave them so SB isn't the story Scott wanted to tell. Scott himself tells us this in the 2024 Scott interview

[@johnes2337]

Security Breach is like the biggest mistake in the FNAF franchise ever. I wonder to what extent MatPat got pissed off after hearing that in the interview. There are a lot of things in FNAF that MatPat pretends to like but actually hates. He's a smart guy who purposely says dumb stuff for views and attention.

[@ryanthecringeanimator9541]

@johnes2337 yeah, it's the biggest mistake Scott made. Only giving Steel Wool parts to a puzzle instead of the full picture. Security Breach could've been good, but Scott fumbled the bag so hard that he locked it in FNaF 4s locked box

[@Modmangoingmad]

"In the FNAF4 minigame, why would the tiny toy chica be missing her beak?" Edit:What does this line exactly mean if THIS was the original story.

[@siresquawks]

@@Modmangoingmad happiest day connections- which are part of what goes into the crying child half of the story.

[@Modmangoingmad]

@@siresquawks if your referring to one of the minigames to get to happiest day then i still don't get it because she doesn't have her beak missing in that minigame. Edit:and it's not like with mangle where she's dismantled in fnaf 4 but you put her back together in mangle's quest with toy chica she has the beak through the whole minigame.

[@siresquawks]

@ my guess is we wouldn’t realize or it’d be hard realize it was toy Chica otherwise. A related reason is the theory made by Jokiquinn on Reddit that the version of 1983 we play in 4 is how the bite victim remembers it all as a spirit decades later- with later details sort of polluting it. So in the real 1983 it may just have been normal toys- but because the real toy Chica took off her beak he remembers it as missing it- same as the Funtime foxy toy, etc.

[@Modmangoingmad]

@@siresquawks I feel like you would realize it's toy chica solely on the fact she has pink underwear and even if you didn't realize you definitely would after she gets the beak in the minigame. And as for Jokiquinn theory....ehhh a flimsy explanation IMO (especially since we're using the first 4 games) but I guess a flimsy explanation is better than no explanation.

[@damkylan3]

@@ModmangoingmadI feel like the connection is still there. It’s still two broken toys in CC’s time, with ties to bad memories that would eventually trap the MCI (one of which is a girl flat out describing what happens to them, in fact), and then repaired and put back together in their HD versions, who then go on to help save the MCI. If nothing else, I feel like this is somewhere in the vicinity of the original point. Because it has to be a Happiest Day thing. Everything in FNAF4 was.

[@smt64productions40]

Finally, someone said it! Phone Guy isn’t FoxyBro

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

People think that?!

[@smt64productions40]

@ Some did

[@shronkler1994]

You're right. He's clearly Purple Guy 🤦‍♂️

[@djwithdk7084]

Bro dropped got me waiting likes he's kayne 😭

[@vamp1310]

hearing the trapper's theme in this video made my halloween!

[@LionPKrono]

Circus Baby Pizza World is made prior to the MCI, why? Because the Springlock Sutis were removed post-MCI, and CBPW had the Springlock suit-

[@siresquawks]

Did you watch the video? Or pay attention. As I said in the video- phone guy never says all Springlock suits are banned and never going to be produced again. He just said the classic suits (Fredbear and Springbonnie) were deemed to dangerous to wear.

[@LionPKrono]

​@@siresquawks Yes, my point still stands with the video, the springlock suits were retired prior to the MCI, indicating that as there's a springlock suit in CBPW, that location was made prior to the MCI. Also, no, the springlock suits removed weren't only Fredbear and Spring Bonnie, we know that there were many more in Freddy's thanks to ITP, changing just those wouldn't make sense. Another thing, Fredbear's is a predecesor location to Freddy's, not a sister location, it wasn't opened the same time as Freddy's to be considered a sister location, Fredbear's being a predecesor to Freddy's is stated in The Week Before: "It’s an old ticket, wrinkled and stained with drops of … tomato sauce. The green color has faded, along with the words stamped on it: FREDBEAR’S FAMILY DINER. Now that’s a throwback! That place has been closed for years, but it was a predecessor to Fazbear Entertainment’s Freddy’s Pizza franchise." -- The Week Before - Page 174. Which indicates that the failure wasn't in Fredbear's, but rather in Freddy's or a location that was a sister location of it. "sister locations refer to active branches or brands owned by the same parent company and operating concurrently." - ChatGPT An example I used with ChatGPT was this one: "if there's a McDonalds owned by a company, but after McDonalds closes the same company makes a BurgerKing, would the McDonalds still count as a Sister Location?" - exactly the same situation as Fredbear's and Freddy's, it answered me with: "No, if a McDonald's location was closed and then replaced by a Burger King, they wouldn't typically be considered sister locations anymore." - ChatGPT. Same situation. If Fredbear was closed and then replaced by Freddy's, it wouldn't be considered a sister location. So, the sister location was another Freddy's and so, Elizabeth died prior to the MCI. Also, even with what you said after editing the comment, they were banned and never going to be produced again, which further supports my point, if there was a springlock suit that has the faceplates of the funtimes, meant to be used at Circus Baby Pizza World, that indicates that it was prior to the failure.

[@siresquawks]

@@LionPKrono eh if you need chat gpt to make a point and need to ignore what I said again- the point doesn’t hold a lot of weight.

[@bruvginganinja]

Is there a reason why Elizabeth can't die before the MCI? In my head, it makes a lot of sense for the MCI to be a reaction to the failure of Circus Baby's, possibly as an experiment into how possession works. If ELIZABETH dies between Crying Child and MCI and possesses Baby (and William somehow figures out that it happened), then the MCI being his attempt to understand possession makes sense. Although in this version, Charlie becomes the 5th MCI victim and Cassidy becomes the only victim of the DCI which kinda breaks shit.

[@johnes2337]

Sister Location and Elizabeth's death can only occur after FNAF 1 and FNAF 2. Why would William Afton build advanced high-tech murder robots before he started murdering people? Why would William Afton downgrade from high-tech murder robots to old and clunky yellow springlock suits from the early 80s? I'm guessing that William Afton built the entire underground Sister Location after FNAF 2 and before he got springlocked before FNAF 3.

[@mitchellline4242]

A question I often wonder, did William recognize Michael in Fnaf 3?

[@Takejiro24]

William's Game Over voicelines in FFPS seem to suggest he did.

[@cleaveuntome42]

We should have every fnaf theory video end with a TL:DR. I love these videos but somedays I cant remember all the pieces respun for a new take on a story ive heard for 1000 videos. TL:DR: all fnaf theory videos needs their own "TL:DR"

[@Wizardjones69]

12:36 He learns about possesion throught elizabeth's death on the novels, instead of charlie So: charlie > cc > elizabeth > mci > save them It woudn't make sense to afton open CPW after he was charged but freed after the mci He would already be a suspect number 1, and a really would have to change his identity already

[@zenvariety9383]

Honestly it probably Elizabeth, MCI + Dave(given William began experimenting with Remnant and revived Dave just long enough to spring lock), and then Charlie.

[@Wizardjones69]

@zenvariety9383 bro That doesn't make any sense Charlie is confirmed to be the first victim

[@FNAFGamer_2023]

Except Afton wasn’t the one arrested and charged, it was most likely Henry instead. There’s also the grave order in HW2 putting Charlie after the MCI, which would most likely put CC’s death first, and then either Liz or the MCI + Charlie

[@FNAFGamer_2023]

@@Wizardjones69That’s not confirmed. If anything, it may have been actually debunked through Help Wanted 2’s Easter Egg of the grave order in PQ4

[@Wizardjones69]

@FNAFGamer_2023 bro Its literally the order of when they move on, as shown on the epilogues and Happiest day

[@m3rshark]

is that a rendition of dark halls from doom e1m3 from at 7:38 to 8:40? im pretty sure, but im doubtful for some reason, but if so that's cool af

[@siresquawks]

It’s the 3DO version of dark halls. The 3DO version sucks gameplay wise but has great renditions of all the tracks.

[@m3rshark]

@siresquawks ahhh, new i recognized it, was surprised no one else commented about that

[@gaming_bigfoot]

Ayo the trapper's gon' make me into a pelt next I heard that tune and _immediately_ recognized it

[@Wiworgsh273]

I have a feeling Mike or at least Fritz Smith being frightguard might have been the idea already somewhere around fnaf 3. It might be different now but back then the teasers seemed to make it as if the phantoms were just hallucinations. Our guard saw the classic animatronics and toys like bb or mangle which isn't that crazy but he saw things like Withered Foxy or Withered Golden Freddy in their phantom versions. I doubt a customer would have seen withered foxy or withered golden freddy but an employee could have. The most sense for that role would be Fritz since Jeremy was probably bitten and the first fnaf 2 guard is purple guy. That doesn't exactly mean Mike was Fritz back then since Fritz might have seen the classics just as a customer but I think Scott might have connected them into one character since then both of them have some sort of meaning. If Fritz wasn't Mike back in fnaf 2 then scott connected them since they had the same surname and reasons to get fired. I also would like to point out how in all games Mike is a trouble maker. In fnaf 1 and as Fritz in 2 he tampers with animatronics, in 3 he burns down frights and in 4 he is a bully

[@hctaz]

Nah tbh nothing is better than Dream Theory. I got nothing else to say, it just fits everything perfectly fine and would be the ending that Scott would think we wouldn't accept.

[@ckaredasf]

For your consideration: Nightmare Theory……

[@lpfan4491]

Honestly, with how off the walls the series became since then, I still cling to my joketheory that Dreamconclusion was infact real, but it would still be supernatural and essencially the series pulling a Link's Awakening. Fnaf 3 good ending being the act of an unnamed inhabitant of the dreamworld realizing what the world truly is and bringing peace and rest to the endless nightmares.

[@johnes2337]

I disagree. I think that the main problem that Scott Cawthon perceived from the story of FNAF 4 was that the main character dies at the end. The Crying Child dies in the end and the FNAF 1 security guard having dreams about being the Crying Child also dies in the end. This would end the storyline of FNAF permanently leaving no more room for sequels. This would be changed in FNAF 5 where Mike Shmidt actually does survive his FNAF 4 nightmares and is renamed to Micheal Afton.

[@user-gd4fu3sf5i]

There's just some things i can never seem to get with FNaF 4. Why randomly add an implication of a sister character if she's never going be brought up again? Who or what the hell was the Fredbear Plush originally meant to be? There's just some gaping missing pieces if we just base the story off of the first four games (and *maybe* World and Silver Eyes if you really want to stretch it)

[@smt64productions40]

The sister could potentially be the Fredbear Plush

[@user-gd4fu3sf5i]

@@smt64productions40 But how did she even up there? If she's a victim of the Purple Guy it's weird that she's none of the pre-established victims that we know of, unless she's a secret offscreen first kill of Purple Guy

[@smt64productions40]

@ It is one possibility, the other could be the Toy Girl (the girl with the toys) is the sister

[@johnes2337]

What if the pink is supposed to represent the mother's room instead?

[@user-gd4fu3sf5i]

@@johnes2337 unlikely, they wouldn't just throw a toy in there and nearly be identical to BV's room if that's the case

[@siramaytheshowgundragon]

WOOOO NEW VID

[@thor_brosen]

Don't worry guys I got the popcorn 🍿🍿🍿

[@Neku628]

Maybe the spring lock suits can be called the suicidal suits?

[@shantishan1172]

THE GOAT IS BACK

[@tristandimitrijev3195]

Sister location is depicted in the vampire tvnovel.Its ur baby meaning it is the animatronic becoming the circus baby

[@siresquawks]

I don't think so persay- I made a video on this but based on Mike's notes in the Survival Logbook it seems more like Mike likes the show because he relates to how Clara is manipulated by Vlad and yet can see through everything. It's more an explanation of Mike's connection to the world around him- that includes stuff like William and other corporate entities lying to him about basic obvious supernatural behavior like circus baby- including dropping the hint that when the mystery game goes on long enough the obscurer will slip up eventually- likely something similar to how Sister Location happens in the first place.

[@akramirez]

None of this was planned out that fucking early

[@siresquawks]

Eh it’s all there in 1-4. None of this information was inaccessible really.

[@FNAFGamer_2023]

Why not? It would give a satisfying explanation for who Fritz Smith and Mike Schmidt are and why they stick around Freddy’s. What I don’t think was planned was them being the sons of Purple Guy

[@SparklingJam]

I also have a theory for the origin element of fnaf 4 The kids we see in the neighborhood are the mci victims as balloon kid says everyone is going to the party and yet the main 4 never show up Why is that cuz they died at Freddy’s

[@Himmel-Himmel]

wow a theory that makes narrative and logical sense! ❤️

[@LeaveMeAlone3-c5b]

Spectrum Sqwuaks

[@joyoustye2326]

I think I'm more confused now 💀

[@hatster401]

goat is back

[@HELLRAISER02]

Ok weird thought i guess: even before the books, is there anything wrong with the idea that multiple chars had these nightmares? The IV and monitors dont always show up i think but i always see peeps say it has to be mike or dave but i thought both had different ones maybe, since dave having nightmares bout fredbear would make sense but SL kinda screws with that prolly

[@siresquawks]

I mean they always can show up and the phone guy audio always can play. It’d also be (prior to Dittophobia) pretty insanely coincidental that BV and Mike could every single possible night have the exact same nightmares in the same general order. It’s not like these Easter eggs are locked to nights- they’re just random constant variables always in effect.

[@HELLRAISER02]

@siresquawks nah i dont mean having the same nightmarew every night but honestly that wouldnt even be the weirdest coincidence yet

[@maxrafael320]

Happy halloween

[@shaw2sebastian]

To people who don't like the dream idea, why does the dream theory have to mean that all of it was fake? You can still be playing as a traumatized kid whose having nightmares in fnaf 4 while the murders and hauntings still happened. Were playing through nightmares in 4 while in 1,2,3 we are an actual night guard dealing with the aftermath of the Pizzeria's unsolved murder mysteries. But no instead it spiraled into the too hightech for the 80s sci-fi BS we have now.

[@Takejiro24]

Because that's what Dream Theory was? That all of the events of the first 4 games were the dreams of a coma ridden child. Also, everything you mentioned in your second sentence onwards *is* what actually happened if that helps.

[@Mystery_lemon]

That’s a fire oc of yours

[@siresquawks]

Which thing? The bird? The Sliding Dragon Fox? The video itself?

[@Mystery_lemon]

@ bird

[@eduardoaguero1220]

That is a very solid point

[@PandaSlothProductions]

The outro 😭

[@NathanWhite-s3q]

Personally, while I do like this theory, I think its biggest problem lies with the fact that there's just not that much in game to actively suggest that we're playing as the older brother. I mean, c'mon, what WAS there to suggest it? The reversed phone call? I mean, yeah; it certainly doesn't add up for the bite victim to have heard that phone call, but A: can't really blame people for missing a detail that was hidden well enough to be easily mistaken as an ambient effect, and B: to argue that this was "PROOF that the we're playing as the older brother and that he's actually MIKE from the first game" is, at least to me, a bit of a big jump. And every other detail in game has some kind of explanation that fits with us being the crying child: the hospital stuff?; we're playing as the crying child, OF COURSE there'd be hospital stuff, he DIED in a hospital after all, Why isn't he on the bed in during the night sections?; that's just for gameplay purposes, that doesn't mean anything, why would it? Not to say I completely disagree; I do like this theory, and think it does hold some genuine merit, but I feel like it lacks a lot of evidence that doesn't come from hindsight. I mean, the idea that we were always playing as the older brother and that said older brother was always supposed to Mike Schmidt, with the only real evidence for it being a single distorted effect(not counting everything I listed above(for obvious reasons)), is a crazy claim to make. (NOTE: How exactly did the springlock failure go unnoticed for as long as it did? I mean; how did no one find out about for a full week? Even if William DID hide the bodies, how exactly would he have done so and not gotten caught? like, this is just something that frustrated me with this whole theory that I felt like noting done, even it has more to do with the Springlock suits than it does MikeBro.)

[@siresquawks]

@@NathanWhite-s3q this is like saying “fnaf 2 is only implied to be before 1 because of the 1987 check at the end”. Yeah it’s a handful of clues and context- but they’re big ones. The player needs to know the Fnaf 1 attack patterns and hear phone guy. Remember Scott was in the mindset that fans would dig through and find everything in a day- the phone guy audio included. Combined with “no random Easter eggs” that means that inclusion- the gameplay mirroring- and the implications the player needs to fulfill to hear and see those things push it on Mike. Simple evidence isn’t a lack of it.

[@NathanWhite-s3q]

@@siresquawks Well, no because FNaF 2's checks are objectively saying that its in 1987. But other than that I don't disagree; Simple evidence isn't a lack of it. I think I may have been a bit too focused on the community response to details like this rather than Scott's expectations. With that said: I still think that the phone call is really the only thing in game that doesn't make sense if we are playing as the crying child during the night(at least when taken by itself), and I don't really blame anyone at the time for missing it. I mean, the only reason people even consider this possible nowadays is because of the modern context of the Afton family. Overall, I think I do like this theory, and its probably more likely than dream theory, though I am still sceptical that this what Scott intended. Oh, and thanks for the response!

[@FNAFGamer_2023]

@@NathanWhite-s3q Someone else in the comments brought up a very compelling argument in favor of FNAF 4’s player being Mike/FoxyBro. Up until that game, every mini game/cutscene happens BEFORE the main gameplay. FNAF 2’s mini games depict past events such as the MCI, and FNAF 3’s mini games show how Purple Guy became Springtrap. So, with that logic, we can’t be CC during the main nights since he has already died. It’s also more compelling Narrative-Wise to have the Brother facing a similar torment to what he put his brother through, with him now being the one scared to death of the animatronics.

[@lpfan4491]

Tbh, I never really wrapped my hand around the distant noises possibly being relevant myself. Not because I see it as a "random" easteregg like Scott calls it and somehow ignore his message about how there aren't any, but moreso because for the exact opposite reason. It actually never felt purposefully placed enough to even be mistaken for an "easteregg", it just felt like asset reuse. Fnaf 4 itself has some questionable asset reuse(If the nightmare is so tied to Fnaf1, why are the animatronic designs modified from fnaf2?) outside of that case already.

[@perihelion1225]

HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

[@DissonantSynth]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@Korra228]

1:04 Funtime Foxy why?

[@siresquawks]

Phonetime Foxy is a running gag on the channel. Check out the parody video "Funtime Foxy Secret Mastermind" for context. The TLDR of that gag video was Phone guy being funtime Foxy- so now the two are eternally linked on the channel.

[@Korra228]

@siresquawks first time noticing this in your videos, maybe because my room is pitch black RN

[@spaghettiiwithjuice9826]

NEW SQUAWKS VIDEO!!!!

[@spaghettiiwithjuice9826]

im only six minutes in and my MIND is being OPENED holy MOLY, IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

[@ironminer888]

inscryption OST mentioned 🔥🔥🔥

[@PfyscheStyx]

this isnt really related but i just realized. Do we actually know that William Afton was in a position of power at the company? Like we assume that he was the CEO but is that ever confirmed? idk i might be forgetting something REALLY obvious, but is there a chance he is some low level security guard

[@spaghettiiwithjuice9826]

i can't remember if it was ever mentioned in the games, now that i'm thinking about it. iirc, people get this idea from the books, though i don't know if it was ever actually reflected in the games?

[@noahjohnson8740]

The sister location cutscene with the voiceover of william discussing baby's design 'she can sing, she can dance' etc

[@lpfan4491]

It's technically never stated I think, but he clearly runs Circus Baby's, which is a direct spinoff of the IP(And later absorbed into it by the time of Post-UCN games). It would be a silly twist if he was actually just a rando.

[@crispyliza7050]

Nice

[@michelleeggleston2896]

I don't mean to be rude, but aren't you using copyright protected background music around the 2:50 section? It sounds like music from Inscryption.

[@samuelloos]

Fun video keep up the good work and remember jesus loves you all god bless never test the lord

[@erdinc2590]

Nah, original intent being mike who is dreaming makes no sense. Either dream theory canon or scott is just extremely bad at story telling, at least in fnaf4.

[@Wizardjones69]

Dream theory was never canon If scott said that noobody solved fnaf 4 Then matpat was full on wrong

[@damkylan3]

It makes total sense. The trailer straight up asks you, “what game do you think you’re playing?” From the moment of release, there was more evidence that it was Michael than there ever was for CC. Because CC is based entirely on assumption. Mike is the twist you have to piece together.

[@noahjohnson8740]

The fact that Scott said he didnt put random easter eggs for no reason and then included the fnaf 1 phone call is strong evidence you play as mike

[@ckaredasf]

Dream theory canon yes but it’s not a dream it’s a nightmare

[@Wizardjones69]

@ckaredasf it WAS NEVER CANON