Foil Review: Moses W1100

Hi Gunnar, Would you recommend the 1100 wing setup or the 790 for a beginner/intermediate rider, 75kg and winds from 10 to 25 knots?

[@jimmymazzanti1451]

Thank you Gunnar, amazing images and great review

[@dr.ericvanek2818]

great insight & comments regarding aspect ratio for those of us who want to kite & prone foil surf, etc.

[@targadave]

Thanks Gunnar. I recently got the w1100 (along with the 82/710/s450) to wing with. Haven’t had a chance to use it yet but looking forward to using it this weekend. Excited to hear about the great wind range and glide. I’m currently on a Gong XL pro. Great foil but spongy Al mast, and pretty heavy. Doing ok with tacks but I haven’t mastered 360’s yet.

[@sampep]

Your the man! Love your reviews!

[@vincentrenouf2804]

Thank you for your very nice vidéo, I have this front wing and it's very fast in wingfoil. What is the differents with the 873 on the water?

[@davidrimmer1986]

Hi @Gunnar thanks for the fantastic review. Will you also be reviewing the 873 wing? I heard that the 873 has a thicker profile than the 1100 so is better for pumping or SUP foiling small waves without a wing? I'd be interested to know your opinion on this?

[@RonKolijn]

Hi Gunnar! I am the proud owner of a brand new SABFoil (Moses) S821100 KIT M82 - W1100 - S483 - F700-HS CARBON ONDA I use it for wing foil on the Dutch Northsea... I come from kite surfing and kite foiling, weigh about 93kg. and use a 110ltr. board. What advise can you give on the shims that came with the package? There are 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 and 3 degree shims... When to use what? I cannot find any documentation on it.... Love to hear from you! Kind regards Ron Kolijn

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi Ron. Basically if you need more stability and/or more front foot pressure, add more angle. If you want to reduce frontfoot pressure and increase speed (at the cost of stability) use less angle.

[@RonKolijn]

@@GunnarBiniasch Hi Gunnar Thanks for this great tip! I didn't bother trying the delivered shims up until last weekend. This mainly because of lacking info on it... But now I have tried and it makes a world of difference!!! I had some troubles on my jibes on the standard set-up without shim, but when adding the 1.5 degree shim I suddenly could stand almost all of them... How such a little change can make such a difference!!! I recommend anyone using the SABFoil to try out this option and feel what shim suits you best... Greets from the North Sea waters... Ron

[@dreamtach]

Great review! Thank you! How would you compare pumping to the 1250? Is there an advantage in the 1250 for over 12kn wind?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi Johnathan. The 1250 pumps easier than the 1100. I do not really see a major advantade of having the 1250 over the 1100 in more than 12 knots, at least for 85kg or below. That said. Manuvers like gybes and tacks are esier to learn on the 1250 if you are heavy,

[@GlenDMcFarlane]

I have owned the 1100 wing now for three month and use it with the 82 mast and prone surf only on it! At 4.22 you talk about the connection between the wing and fuselage being stiff and strong!. From my experience it is not and believe that connection to be way under designed for the 1100! Personally I am extremely disappointed and would like to hear if anyone else screws bend in that connection during use? I have to replace those screws every surf as they bend! Love to hear from some others with this wing!

[@Freedo1234]

The front wind is so long and area so big that stress the screw so much , using a M8 screw is better !

[@Giovanni.Tedeschini]

I have 873 for two years now and I use it for SUP foil and for windfoil light wind freeride. I had never had my screws bent. Are you sure you tight the screws strong enough. You might have a defective fuselage?

[@lawjonathan5159]

Thank you very much Gunnar for this great review. I am considering getting a set of second hand w1100 from my local dealer for light wind wing foiling. May I know what sort of average speed I can get out from this wing for 10kt of wind. I am currently riding an Armstrong 75l board and hs1550 foil and my average top speed was only around 25-26kmh. Thanks.

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Thank you. It really depends on which stabiliser you use. I have has the 1100 up to about 22 knots with the S483 Stabiliser, but that is not really fun. Cruising speed of the 1100 is about 12-15 knots .

[@sergemann5951]

Hi Gunnar: Do you think this foil would ride behind a boat? If so would a small wake be enough to wakesurf it ? Thank you for your review and input!

[@blacksheep5736]

Gunnar hi, I see you have a 72 and an 82 mast with you. But if you really had to choose from the two which would it be. I can take over a 72 mast but doubt if it is long enough in waves of waist height for example.

[@GunnarBiniasch]

For winging, Kiting and pumping to prefer the 82. For surfing the 72

[@reneverschoor5384]

Hoi Gunnar, thanks for the videos. I’m thinking of this wing combined with a 900 fuselage and 450 stabilizer for wind foiling. Do you think this is possible? I’m already use a 790 wing but I like to try out if I can windfoil with less wind. Wat is you opinion? Thank and Regards René

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi Rene. Yes it will work, but instead I would recommend the 999. It is faster and has pretty much the same Lowend. It also carves nicer

[@studioeukinesispilatespost6364]

Hi Gunnar, did you tested the moses 873? I do wind foiling and some wing foiling and I already have the kit Vento with the 790 plus the 873. Does buying the 1100 make any sense for me or it risks to be too similar with the 873 use?( Both are 2100 cm) thanks

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi, Yes I have tested the 873 quite a bit. The 873 is ok, however the 1100 is better in almost all respects. It has a lower stall speed, it accelerates faster and smoother when pumping, it is faster and just works a lot better for Winging and Windfoiling in my opinion.

[@rickdonders8195]

Hello Gunnar, Love to work you spend on all the kite/wing/surf/sup foiling videos, have watch many of them quite a lott. I’m kitefoiling with my w633 and wanted to to expand my hobby to wingfoiling/supfoiling. So I’m looking for a nee frontwing. 100kg and if it is possible I want to cross-use it also on the kite. Which wing do you reccommend? W1100, W790, W873 or something else? Realy like to hear your opinion in this one. Greets from the Netherlands coming over to Fuerte 2 times a year 🤙

[@mikebustos4966]

Hi Gunnar. Great review. Was contemplating buying the 873 until I watched this video. I currently use the 633 kite foiling and absolutely love it. I just use the 75cm aluminum mast kite foiling. Would the 1100 wing be fine with the aluminum mast? Just trying to save some money. Lots of new gear to buy to get into wing foiling.

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi Mike. Yes the 1100 will be great with the Aluminium Mast.

[@nickrhodes3378]

As always, very good info!! - any problems with breaching the water surface on the 75cm mast? - if you could choose only one moses wing to learn and progress winging in 15-25kt, would it be the 1100, or the 790? (I wish moses filled that gap!) Cheers

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi Nick. If you try to carve too hard and lean too far, you will breach, but the wing can handle breaching quite well and it will recover quickly, For the windrange I would say the 1100 is the better choice for a one Wing solution.

[@csc_surf]

Hi Gunnar, will you be doing a review on the W950, smaller version of the W1100?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Yes. I will be doing a full review soon

[@csc_surf]

@@GunnarBiniasch Hi, I'm currently using to wingfoil the moses 790 wing with great maneuverability (wave riding) and in stronger winds, but I feel that its lacking pumpability and glide (downwinds). I weigh 73kgs, which wing would you recommend (also for light/medium wind) the 950 or the 1100?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi @@csc_surf; I probably would recommend the 950 at your weight. It is faster than the 1100, but does need a bit more speed to stay flying (not as much as the 790). The 1100 is more forgiving when pumping if you make a mistake.

[@csc_surf]

hi @@GunnarBiniasch I ended up getting the W1100 as the W950 is not yet available in the short run. Should I still get the W950 for stronger winds or w1000 (sounds its really nice, though I don't feel like buying a new stabilizer) or rather wait for new wings coming out like the 940/others.

[@sflasurf]

I would like to use the W1100 for wind foiling in light winds. My concern is the 95 cm carbon mast being to noodly. At 115 kg, what would you recommend for a mast? Using a formula board 100cm wide. Thanks.

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi ZeroR2. The 95 cm Windfoil Mast is very stiff. I don't think you will have any issues with it flexing too much.

[@sflasurf]

@@GunnarBiniasch Thank you.

[@florentaubert694]

Thanks Gunnar ! I am interresting by this W1100 for Wing practice. Is it possible to put the Kite Mast Carbon 91 with it? Have you tried this configuration? I like to have a longer mast for the wing. Bests

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Yes Florent. You can use the 91 Carbon Kite Mast. However I do not recommend this setup as the Kite mast is not so rigid, and it flexes a lot when used with the big wings, which makes it more technical to ride.

[@stevesantagati497]

How do you think it would work for dock starting? I weigh 175. And have been foiling 3 years (ocean prone, wing, and boat) thanks

[@rogermaurice9706]

Dear Gunnar, I'm looking for a carbon foil as a kiter, low wind, 81kg, which model of Moses would you recommend?

[@massimilianovezzoli8192]

Thanks for the videos Gunnar! I am a wind foil beginner and I am looking for a foil to use with a custom freestyle board from flikka, 64cm wide, and freestyle sails up to 5..2/5.6. Only experience so far is with borrowed slingshot kit. For pure light wind performance would you recommend this over the 873? Trying to figure out if it is better to stick to standard 790 kit, or go directly for larger wings as my main interest right now is to extend lower wind limit of fun!

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi Massi, Yes. I really recommend the 1100 over the 873 from Windfoilinging in light winds. It has better high end range too for Windfoil. It is a great addition to the 790. Another good thing is that you can use the same screws for both wings.

[@massimilianovezzoli8192]

Gunnar Biniasch Thanks!

[@giuseppeametrano4504]

@@GunnarBiniasch so you use W1100 also for wind surf? and can i use W1100 with long fusolage FW900?

[@Surfingpilotlife]

Hi Gunnar, Nice Vid, do you know the complete Kit 82 weight?

[@andoniurrutia7606]

I want a longer (90-100 cm. - ish) mast equipped with Tuttle head for this big wing set up. What Moses mast do you recommend? Thank you.

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Hi Andoni. You have a few options. With Tuttle Head you can either use the new Race Masts 106, Alu 95 or Windsurf 95. With the Windsurf 95 you can only use it with the Windfoil fuselage (900) so you have to have the tuttle box back in the Fin position. This works well with the old trifin raceboards.

[@andoniurrutia7606]

@@GunnarBiniasch Thank you! gonna check on the website and figure out my ideal setup. Thanks once again

[@jimmymazzanti1451]

The V95 with 900 fuselage

[@CatalanLaser]

How long is the "Long Fuselage"...710 ???

[@giuseppeametrano4504]

Hi, what about W1250? Will you try it?

[@giuseppeametrano4504]

Hi, somewhere say that W1100 can not be used with fuselage W900, someone say it is possible, could you help me to understand?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

You can use the 1100 with the 900 Fuselage. I use this combo all the time for winging with Raceboards. However the FS900 does not fit on the surf or kitemasts. facebook.com/kitechino/videos/528727078021999/

[@giuseppeametrano4504]

@@GunnarBiniasch so you have a mast for f900 and one for 710, could you specify which mast? Tnk

[@GunnarBiniasch]

@@giuseppeametrano4504 before I was using the MW91 now I use the MW95

[@giuseppeametrano4504]

@@GunnarBiniasch mw95 for fw900? And for fs710? Or for both?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

@@giuseppeametrano4504 the Windsurf masts only work with the Windsurf Fuselages. So I use MW95 with the FS900 and the M82 or 72 for the FS710

[@andylitespeed]

Any idea of the area in cm2? Thanks.

[@jimmymazzanti1451]

2100 cm3

[@andylitespeed]

Thanks!

[@Andrea-gl3ru]

Nice review thanks. Any advise on shim with fuselage 700-HS? Started with -1° shim as per setup guide but I had a lot of difficulty to take foil in the water while wake surfing also hard roll side to side. Previously with Takuma LOL 1600 much easy control and carving... a little frustration :-( but better gliding and pump speed

[@GunnarBiniasch]

Which stabiliser are you using?

[@Andrea-gl3ru]

@@GunnarBiniasch S483. BTW congratulation for your Tarifa results, only shame event t-shirt color purple :-D

[@csc_surf]

Would the 950 or the 1000 be a better complementing wing for wingfoiling in +15 knots (72kgs)?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

If you have the skill I would recommend the 1000 for that windrange and your weight

[@csc_surf]

@@GunnarBiniasch There is a Moses Fuselage to Wing Adapter Plate that mackite sell were you can adapt Surf Fuselage to Kite Wings. This could be an alternative, what do you think? would it be usefull?

[@paulneumann7739]

Thank you.

[@vianasurfer]

Does the 1100 make the 873 obsolete?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

In my opinion, yes.

[@claudiobertadeazevedo4669]

at 2:45 he says to wing on as low as 6KT on a 6m wing, can anyone confirm this MIRACLE?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

You can always as the locals standing on the beach who were watching. Remember that this also really depends on your board. If it has anything like concaves or step tails or channels or cutouts it will not work in that wind as those drag.

[@claudiobertadeazevedo4669]

@@GunnarBiniasch We are living in the future, FOIL+CARBON=revolution, I wonder what's next

[@mhucke]

What is the Vmax of the w1100?

[@GunnarBiniasch]

That depends a lot on the rider.

[@mhucke]

@@GunnarBiniasch sure but i feel limits when drag gets too high. Speed limit with my fanatic HA 2000 is around 28 kph and wirh HA 1250 at 38 kph. So i am sure Equipment matters, too. Your logged top speeds with w1100? ;-)

[@GunnarBiniasch]

@@mhucke 22 knots with the S421 stabiliser

[@mhucke]

Thx

[@maximemailloux3121]

@@GunnarBiniasch That's great! What would you guess your top speed would be with the 450 stabilizer, for comparison ? Do you feel that you loose much low end with the race stabilizer ? Or is this setup better technically on both ends of the spectrum , just less stable ? Do you see any problem using it with a quatro drifter and the wind fuselage, with a plate adapter on the mast ? I would still be able to adjust the ing position correctly so that it is not too far forward despite the longer fuselage ? I am tending to believe that since I am riding on a lake and started from a vento 85 setup (with deep tuttle) , I should just keep using it with the 900 fuselage to get better low end and save some bucks, not having to buy a new mast and fuselage. Just a tuttle adapter and the 421 stab to get better speed.