Following Coronado's Lost Trail Across Arizona and New Mexico

  Рет қаралды 124,366

Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery

Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 296
@toneyo4794
@toneyo4794 2 жыл бұрын
My wife and I are New Mexican of Spanish decent. Her surnames of Padilla and Martinez and my surname of Ortega. We have traced our family lines to the late 1400’s and early 1500’s. I love the history of our state and of Northern NM especially as that’s where we are from. Thanks for your effort to explore some of these historical events.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I love Spanish history. I am working on another Coronado video right now to hopefully be released next month.
@XenusMama
@XenusMama 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if we’re related? I’m descended from 8 lines of Oñate soldiers & Cortez. We came over from Spain in 1598. We have our family history back to the 1400’s.
@josegonzalez6231
@josegonzalez6231 Жыл бұрын
What a shame
@hughjunit2503
@hughjunit2503 Жыл бұрын
Keep looking into your families history. I'm Irish and ended up tracing our family surname back to around the year 300a.d. in Ireland.
@martinbalderas6591
@martinbalderas6591 Жыл бұрын
If I had a dollar for every new mexican that says they are decended from conquistadors I’ll be richer than the king of Spain
@chinglee100
@chinglee100 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Spanish history in the USA doesn’t get much recognition but is super fascinating 🇪🇸
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Arizona there is a lot of Spanish history.
@johnorourke4067
@johnorourke4067 2 жыл бұрын
Chinglee, you are correct, enjoy it myself too. It's a lengthy history
@rubengonzalez5155
@rubengonzalez5155 2 жыл бұрын
Me too all the assassinations of humans and destruction of the history all ready living here must be fascinating to deplorable people like me ! Att: Lucifer
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubengonzalez5155 all history is worthy of remembering, especially the terrible parts.
@rubengonzalez5155
@rubengonzalez5155 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery correct! Specially when it’s told with facts and with out bias
@PsychoAlfaSchizo
@PsychoAlfaSchizo 2 жыл бұрын
We learn most of our American history based on the account of colonies on the East coast in the 1600’s. It’s interesting that 100 years before that, colonies were already started in the Caribbean and in what is now the Southern US, there were explorers walking around. Incredible if you stop and think about it a minute.
@kungfoozombie744
@kungfoozombie744 2 жыл бұрын
I've probably watched about tens of thousands of videos on KZbin by now, but this has to be one of my favorites. It's just so pure and compact. There's no fat on it. Also the video is about connecting the past with today, which I really like. Thanks for the video!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for that. In response to the popularity of this video I have made another about Coronado and it is coming out in a couple weeks, make sure to check it out after June 22.
@kenfox22
@kenfox22 2 жыл бұрын
This is very unique approach getting out in the field and not sitting behind a desk the way a lot of historians do
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ken, that is what I love, experiencing history on the ground. You can never fully understand the past sitting at a desk, it's just too far removed from real life.
@kenfox22
@kenfox22 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery cool 😎
@leroybrown505
@leroybrown505 3 жыл бұрын
Im spanish and from new mexico. loved this video. please do more stuff like this. you did a great job on this type of work. Such as trails and information about the area. Loved how you cited journal entries.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it, I love history and will do more in the future.
@leroybrown505
@leroybrown505 3 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery Please do, you do a great job. I can see your channel really taking off with more projects done like this.
@Nuevomexicano
@Nuevomexicano 2 жыл бұрын
You look Pueblo stop the bs talking about I’m Spanish lmao embrace you heritage PoPay
@rubengonzalez5155
@rubengonzalez5155 2 жыл бұрын
So much blood on the hands of Spanish decency !
@leroybrown505
@leroybrown505 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubengonzalez5155 you don’t even know the history. The spanish is no different than any other ethnic group of the time. Tell me what are your ancestors? English ? Norway ? Moorish? Aztec South American?
@Cutter-jx3xj
@Cutter-jx3xj 10 ай бұрын
Awesome. I live in north central Texas. The Edward's Plateu runs thru the area. The archeologist say the Spanish were never in this area. I am 64, and can remember Spanish artifacts found here over the yrs, sent to the University of Texas to be studied and authenticated. Which they were. There are at least 3 of those pieces on display at our local museum.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 10 ай бұрын
The presence of Spanish artifacts does not mean the Spanish were there because the Natives valued those objects and carried them around and traded them.
@tommunyon2874
@tommunyon2874 2 жыл бұрын
My high school history teacher found Mibres artifacts, that included bracelet carved from Pacific scallop shells, in southern New Mexico. This demonstrates the extensiveness of trade in pre-Columbian times.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Those ancient people were more connected than we give them credit for.
@chrisfeuerhaken396
@chrisfeuerhaken396 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, please keep doing this kind of material. It's such an interesting look at our state in the 1500's. I love the different paths the Spanish took through our area! Could you talk about the fort the Spanish had near tombstone on the San Pedro? Me and my cousin went there and what a story !
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, Presidio Terrenate that's a fascinating place.
@chrisinkansas8507
@chrisinkansas8507 4 жыл бұрын
Nice diversion. Interesting topic. Farther east, archaeological evidence puts Coronado at Blanco Canyon, in Texas. He eventually broke off with about 40 men and proceeded north, eventually following the Arkansas River to its "great bend" in central Kansas and met up with what are today recognized as Wichita or affiliated bands. Chain mail has been found in archaeology sites at this location, though whether it came from Coronado's expedition is hard to determine. "Exotic" pottery from the southwest also made its way to this area ("Glaze E" I believe. Also seen it referred to a Chupadero Black on White, which I think is a NM variety), and that's been used to date the sites to 1500 give or take. The "Quivira," as Coronado dubbed the people of the area, made a very plain, utilitarian pottery. I've been attempting to replicate some of the forms. What clay they were using, where they were getting it, isn't precisely known, which, I've discovered, is somewhat par for the course after so much time.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, thanks for the info on Coronado on the plains. I have been to the museum in Floydada, Texas and seen the Coronado artifacts from Blanco Canyon.
@tompowell6723
@tompowell6723 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You for taking us along.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Gladly
@amythyst1794
@amythyst1794 Жыл бұрын
Impressive to see how your analysis has evolved, Andy! Some of the best video work I have seen, too! Hope you find the Red House!!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
I am still looking, thanks.
@devrim4928
@devrim4928 Жыл бұрын
Such an incredible video! I've become so interested in researching the Coronado Expedition, so your videos are awesome. Thanks for making this!!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it
@Buck1954
@Buck1954 11 ай бұрын
I was interested in Coronado's trail. I remember reading about it decades ago.
@stevemcelmury4618
@stevemcelmury4618 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Sir... this was a real treat. I know now to follow the base of the mountains, looking for springs & seeps... Gracias!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. I'll see you out on the trail.
@colettemitchell3412
@colettemitchell3412 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video. The music and history were great.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it.
@SJ-bn7kz
@SJ-bn7kz 4 жыл бұрын
Superbe. Andy, thank you for such an interesting set of films. Very professional and immensely enjoyable.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I am glad you enjoyed it.
@chrisinkansas8507
@chrisinkansas8507 4 жыл бұрын
There's an academic source for translations of Coronado and other Spanish expeditions called the Cibola Project people might want to check out.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
I am unfamiliar with the Cibola Project, I will need to look into that. I have wanted to get the Flint's translations but it is a bit pricey. amzn.to/2NlYwix
@Odin31b
@Odin31b 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. Inspired a fun upcoming trip.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
That's great. This part of the country doesn't get a lot of attention but it is beautiful and full of history.
@denniskromann5432
@denniskromann5432 3 жыл бұрын
History is a must. Uncover more. Thanks
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@clintxxxracerx9435
@clintxxxracerx9435 Жыл бұрын
Excellent chronicle of the Expedition. Ty
@Xenoyer
@Xenoyer Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the interesting video. I live in Bayard, NM. Often, I find potsherds and stone tools in my backyard. I love this area and its people.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
Lots of great history around there. Thanks for watching.
@ridewithgnr2116
@ridewithgnr2116 2 жыл бұрын
I have read the differing opinions on the path Coronado took. I find the path you laid out to be very reasonable, well thought out and the most direct following old trade routes along the fringes of the Rocky Mountains. I hope to ride my motorcycle along your route when I can make time. I would like to visit the Texas site where they found the tips on the Southwest end of Palo Duro Canyon.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It would make a great ride and the little museum in Floydada, Texas is worth a visit to see the Coronado artifacts that came from Palo Duro.
@marksgraybeal
@marksgraybeal 2 жыл бұрын
i live on the old trails. in Marfa. rode bike on several ol trail routes as such. but this need cross country mt bike. lived in Mesa, Az and rode the mogion rim and Black hills , SD of other great trails...
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
I had a student in my last pottery workshop from Marfa.
@virginiajorgensen8614
@virginiajorgensen8614 Жыл бұрын
Love these explorations
@caryswansong2197
@caryswansong2197 Жыл бұрын
That was very cool, thank you.
@ultimatemush5984
@ultimatemush5984 3 жыл бұрын
School made us listen to this- helped me understand better. 10/10
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. And thanks to your teacher!
@ultimatemush5984
@ultimatemush5984 3 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery Yes- Will doo-
@quintonriley3468
@quintonriley3468 2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea why this was recommended but it was a very well done and informative video. I enjoyed it very much!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
This almost 2 year old video was just sitting around getting a couple of views a day when suddenly a few days ago KZbin started pushing it out to people. It is now getting about 500 views a day, some inexplicable twist of the KZbin algorithm. Thanks, glad you liked it.
@quintonriley3468
@quintonriley3468 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery you did great job and I'm now a subscriber! I love history and obscure history is so much fun. Thank you for your work!
@dennisparsons4656
@dennisparsons4656 Ай бұрын
Good work. Thanks!
@Maintenance63
@Maintenance63 2 жыл бұрын
Your history videos are fascinating
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I have another one of these all made and it will come out on June 22.
@manuelsanchezdeinigo3959
@manuelsanchezdeinigo3959 2 жыл бұрын
Que Viva El Reino de Pamplona Navarre Para Siempre y Que Viva La Gente de Norte España y Norte Nuevo Mexico también Que Viva! Todavía estamos aquí !
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Gracias amigo.
@gonagain
@gonagain 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. Thank you!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@paulpalomo417
@paulpalomo417 Жыл бұрын
Excellent journey, well done! I know you mentioned the original journey took place in June, early 1500's. Back then they went off the Julian Calendar, wasn't until Oct 1582 the calendar advanced 10 days to correct the calendar due to too many leap years. This 10 day difference may have a slight temperature variance from today using the same date. Just something to consider, probably during this original journey the calendar was probably off little over 9 days not quite the 10 day advancement of Oct 1582. An excellent story, enjoyed it very much.
@jimmoses6617
@jimmoses6617 Жыл бұрын
Excellent!!!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@efrenlozoya8720
@efrenlozoya8720 2 жыл бұрын
I happen to have been born in Casas Grandes Chihuahua, the place where Caveza de Vaca came through in around 1532. Paquime Indian city was in decline then
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Cool. Most reports I have read suggest that Paquime was abandoned by 1500, do you think people were still living there by 1532?
@efrenlozoya8720
@efrenlozoya8720 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery yes it is believed that the Mogollon indigenous people were living in Paquime but they were not the original settlers
@efrenlozoya8720
@efrenlozoya8720 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery Paquime was abandoned by the original founders in 1450. Some Chihuahua historians believe that the Aztecs who founded Tenochtitlan came from here
@dmorgan5010
@dmorgan5010 Жыл бұрын
I believe that in order to find out the exact rought how many people who was on the journey. Winter satelight picture of the snow melts highlight the trails for very oldtrails
@mojavebohemian814
@mojavebohemian814 Жыл бұрын
Great! Thank you
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@bigbranch1
@bigbranch1 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent ....makes sense....horseback...Douglas Preston....wrote an account of his horseback trek retracing Coronado...is a good read..
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite books, but his route was WAY off in my opinion.
@joetrueblood7663
@joetrueblood7663 Жыл бұрын
That was awesome 👍
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ricardosanchez7889
@ricardosanchez7889 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video bud ….thanks
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@ooee8088
@ooee8088 Жыл бұрын
The search for Curly's gold
@renewedrewilder830
@renewedrewilder830 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, you're roped me in and appealed to my inner detective. You mentioned in another video about the pre-Internet days, when we had to research everything and study photographs for the smallest clues. That's how I grew up, too, and I think there are some new ways to study those old clues.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
I am the same way, a good historical mystery is irresistible to me. There is a lot of enjoyment to be had following clues in old manuscripts.
@renewedrewilder830
@renewedrewilder830 4 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery I was looking at New Mexico LIDAR data for the Lordsburg Playa, but the data is insufficient. If they ever get detailed data uploaded, you might be able to discern the slight depression where the Spanish horses passed across the playa long ago. I was also hoping that Google Earth would show a deposit of red clay along Mangas Creek, which could indicate proximity to where the ruin was, but alas, the coloration of the satellite imagery wasn't clear enough.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
@@renewedrewilder830 Great ideas. The Butterfield Trail crossed the Lordsburg Playa so if they crossed in the same area it would be obscured.
@carolzilko2643
@carolzilko2643 11 ай бұрын
Check out the great book by Richard Shelton, ‘Going Back To Bisbee’. He was a professor at the University of Arizona, and he dearly loved the Arizona and Mexico, and he loved history. He sadly passed away in November 2022. His book is interesting and entertaining…that guy had a great sense of humor! My goal next year is to follow the route he takes in his book from Tucson to Bisbee. I grew up down in that area, but I never knew a lot of the stuff he talks about. I will be seeing it with new eyes.
@treasuretom13
@treasuretom13 4 ай бұрын
Good thoughts, those areas need further exploration..
@adolfoayuso5408
@adolfoayuso5408 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the History
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome.
@danielwilson5583
@danielwilson5583 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I found your channel
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@tomasneel1980
@tomasneel1980 Жыл бұрын
i always maintained that coronado stayed more to the east going north then to the Zuni coming from the east rather than the south.. I am dead certain they never went through morenci then luna and st john etc. Extremely rough country. PPL in Eager and Luna dont like that. if a rancher finds a piece of iron looking like a half of a horse shoe, BINGO ! cause they used split horse shoes. instead of one piece, it was two halves that was put together to form the horse shoe.. good stuff Andy.
@jeffsilver4730
@jeffsilver4730 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, thanks.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@AztecJimmy
@AztecJimmy 11 ай бұрын
You need to read “cities of Gold,” by Douglas Preston. Three men rode the trail on horseback and documented everything including all the history.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 11 ай бұрын
I've read it, they were WAY off.
@AztecJimmy
@AztecJimmy 11 ай бұрын
@@AncientPottery hmm
@FernandoRodriguez-jk2tl
@FernandoRodriguez-jk2tl 3 жыл бұрын
Te falta nombra a su capitán Gonzalo de Cardenas descubridor del Gran Cañón y por respeto a su gobernador Coronado . Le pone su Apellido al cañón llamándolo " Gran Cañón de Coronado " ,con el tiempo se Camila por Gran Cañón del Colorado ,por sus aguas de color ferroso o por su tradición dialéctica. Gonzalo de Cardenas es paisano mío nació en Llerena provincia de Badajoz y de la comunidad de Extremadura , ( España. )
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias
@robertlapointe9319
@robertlapointe9319 2 жыл бұрын
Tovar
@shanemichael894
@shanemichael894 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff thank you
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@chriss8206
@chriss8206 2 жыл бұрын
There has to be markers along the head of the river. On very large rocks. There has to be markers.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, unfortunately 500 years of people messing with things has made it hard to find these markers. There is an interesting story in the Coronado chronicles about the ships that were bringing supplies to the expedition getting all the way up to the Colorado River delta and leaving a note under a big tree. Then later members of Coronado's party found that note and I always wonder how in all that wilderness did they manage to find the same tree. There had to have been some sort of markers or something left to help them find it.
@bennywolf2169
@bennywolf2169 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff! You should do one on Juan Bautista De Anza and his trail!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Not a bad idea.
@robertcalamusso4218
@robertcalamusso4218 2 жыл бұрын
Great. Chihuahuan desert. Love it. ☮️🇺🇸
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, it is beautiful country.
@heartsandpunzie3296
@heartsandpunzie3296 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@rodwoods2108
@rodwoods2108 2 жыл бұрын
Totally enjoyed this. Just found your videos. I live in central NM and I am digging into the early Spanish history. I have some theorys about the Coronado Expedition about the alterior reasons and plans he implemented on that trip.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
That's great, Coronado is such an interesting subject for research.
@southwestshepherd
@southwestshepherd 10 ай бұрын
Great video! Visited Coronado national monument in Az last year and fell in love with the area. Off topic a bit… who is the flamenco/ Spanish finger style guitarist that was used throughout your video?
@jamesdean5087
@jamesdean5087 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very interested in the subject matter of the Spanish incursions into southwest and California. Where I live there is still the De Anza trail heading into what is now Los Angeles. I'm very interested in more content of Cabeza de Vaca. He lived an interesting life of an explorer.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, yes Cabeza de Vaca was an interesting character, I wish he had written a more detailed account of his journey.
@robertzillman1738
@robertzillman1738 2 жыл бұрын
I have read all the accounts in my Castenada book, and also lived in SE Arizona, and I still think he followed the San Pedro. For one, we know that Coronado was in Corazon in Mexico, and the San Pedro is almost due north from there. Two, there were other trade routes from Salado lands, one of which went from the Gila near Pima, and over to Aravaipa, and from there to the San Pedro. Three, there's many creeks in deep canyons, two of which are Bonita and Eagle Creeks, and they are in the area he would have gone through.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thoughtful reply Robert. Nobody has ever conclusively proved where Corazón was located, archaeologists have looked but never has it been found. The trade route you speak of did not end at the San Pedro but continued in a SW trajectory into the Tucson basin and from there south does the Santa Cruz. As odd as it may seem because it seems logical, the San Pedro was never part of any major north-south trade routes. I think it was cultural, you could travel the eastern route (San Simon and Rio Yaqui) through Opata lands or the western route (Santa Cruz and Rio San Miguel) through O'odham lands. The middle route down the San Pedro and Rio Sonora was partly O'odam and partly Opata who were not always on friendly terms and therefore this route was seldom used.
@nmjerry
@nmjerry 10 ай бұрын
I'm surprised at the amount of contact Coronado had with the locals to be "hearing" about this and that. I thought he came up the Rio Grande. That area of would have been more desolate than the Rio Grande Valley.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 10 ай бұрын
The Rio Grande didn't become the north/south corridor of choice until the 1600s. Even back in prehistoric times, most trade between the Southwest and Mexico came up the west side of the Sierra Madre and through southeastern Arizona.
@nmjerry
@nmjerry 10 ай бұрын
@@AncientPottery interesting. I took History of NM. I think this fact was barely mentioned, so it never registered. They barely did mention trade came up pacific side. Now that I think about it, I recall having amazement or even doubt when pacific trade was mentioned. For some reason, I discounted it, probably because I have lived in the North Rio Grande Valley. The class was 40+ years ago.
@dougclevenger6748
@dougclevenger6748 2 жыл бұрын
Good video
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@danielharford1864
@danielharford1864 2 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine traveling with heavy armor metal plateing gear through 100 degree hot baking sun.
@stingylizard
@stingylizard 2 жыл бұрын
That or an arrow through yer brisket!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think they wore armor on a daily basis. Probably they only put the armor on before going into battle.
@hoponpop3330
@hoponpop3330 2 жыл бұрын
I use to live near the Gila River which flow in SE NW path That was the Southern border of the the US and Mexico prior to the Gadsden Purchase. Tucson was in Mexico .
@dmorgan5010
@dmorgan5010 Жыл бұрын
And any area's of interest should be able to expect to medal detect any location that is a good camping area to look for on the trail repairs. I have a few ideas. But you are doing good. But I would focus on the Spanish named towns
@scientiapotentiaest
@scientiapotentiaest 3 жыл бұрын
Saludos desde México. By the way, Jezz Bezos named one of his Rockets of his company, Coronado after the great spanish Explorer.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Probably not the most popular name for a rocket today with all the anti-colonization feelings going around.
@gator83261
@gator83261 2 жыл бұрын
Good video.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mikekenney8362
@mikekenney8362 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant presentation about a truly remarkable expedition. I’ve seen some of this, but it’s difficult to deconstruct. Bear in mind, at least a portion of DeVaca’s accounts were fabrication
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. yes, a lot of the accounts were sketchy. Some of the accounts of the Coronado expedition were written 20 years after.
@Maintenance63
@Maintenance63 2 жыл бұрын
I keep wondering what the weather was like back in the 16th century. They had to have walked on game trails or trade routes. Hiking out here in the plains can be difficult. I seldom look up . Im always looking at where i put my foot down due to the cactus.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
The Natives had a system of trails crisscrossing all over this land. They no doubt had Indian guides and followed known routes.
@runnikcatti5997
@runnikcatti5997 2 жыл бұрын
In an area covering a couple of acres about 8 miles SW of Deming can be found many many shards of pottery and arrowheads from the Mimbres culture. I believe these predate the Spaniards though.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of great archaeology around Deming, they have an awesome museum too. Thanks!
@JohnnyButtons
@JohnnyButtons 11 ай бұрын
I want to go! Lol
@skeetersaurus6249
@skeetersaurus6249 2 жыл бұрын
If you look at the history of Coronado and his future contemporaries, and pay attention to what they were actually doing, you then get an idea of where they most-likely traveled to and thru. He was bringing Aztec gold from Mexico, up into the U.S. as direct-north as he could, then turning West, headed for what became California...to the missions there, which helped facilitate the gold being shipped back to Spain on the 'Western route' (down the baja, parallel to South America, and then East, into the Atlantic). So, they were 'wagon-training' gold to a shipping point, even during the original expeditions. Now...what other 'mysterious gold story' comes up when you come North into Arizona? Jacob Waltz 'The Lost Dutchman Mine'. Many rumors in the day claimed 'the gold was over 99% pure'...a level to high, not to have already been worked. Did Waltz in fact, find a cave or THE cave, in which the Spaniards stored the Aztec gold as some 'waypoint' to their West Coast shipping departure point? There are reports of Spanish 'helmets', spears, swords found in the Superstition Mountains...were they 'drops'? Why would they be there, as well as found in several caves up in the Superstitions? If you overlay a map of the 'Search of the Superstitions', with all known expedition maps through that general area, you find while some 'loop north, then west' of the possible 'Waltz Mine' site...some go through some of the very same valleys...and interestingly enough, it is some of the LATTER EXPEDITIONS that do so, not the first ones...almost like they were becoming afraid of being hijacked, so used waypoints to 'store' gold under-guard, then reduce the size of each 'Arizona-to-the-Coast' shipment from such a 'guarded facility'. Again, did Waltz stumble on the remains, some 200-years later?
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
That is folklore, not history.
@dmorgan5010
@dmorgan5010 Жыл бұрын
I have been looking at this similar but more of the superstition mtns. Pre 60's mapping has a lot of the original names you can follow the names and it leads you threw the mtns
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
Coronado did not get anywhere near the Superstitions.
@dmorgan5010
@dmorgan5010 Жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery no but the Spanish lived through out the west the only way they could travel is the old land marks on the route
@gbeachy2010
@gbeachy2010 2 жыл бұрын
Douglas Preston wrote Cities of Gold, an account of his effort to trace Coronado on horseback.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite books, I have read it several times. Preston was fun to travel with but he didn't do much original research into Coronado's route, he mostly just read and followed Bolton's interpretation.
@shanemike3070
@shanemike3070 2 жыл бұрын
Had to be brave, back then, never know if the indians would welcome you or attack. Im sure they had alot more game to hunt but the weapons were not accurate. Loved the video.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yes. Some of the natives were welcoming at first and later not so much.
@Youngster12_
@Youngster12_ Жыл бұрын
These are my grandparents, and one of them is Marcos, Alonso, de la Garza, Falcon descendent of king David leaves me to be the grandson
@billhillify4924
@billhillify4924 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video and an interesting take on the route Coronado took to Zuni and Acoma…one question comes to my mind…did he continue north from here staying west of the Mogollons and travel to the San Francisco River/Tularosa River…essentially following HWY 180 route (+/-)? This route would have been very rugged in my mind, but I guess they all would have been.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, yes. That is actually the easiest route through the mountains. Other proposed routes further west are much more rugged, have you driven US 191 or US 60 north from the Gila?
@billhillify4924
@billhillify4924 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery Yes...HWY 191 most recently...and agree, it is much more of a difficult climb towards Alpine than Hwy 180. Always made me wonder if it was the Coronado Trail they would have been exhausted had they followed that route. Hwy 60 was a long time ago but what I recall it is a steep run up the rim as well. So if Coranado did go North along the Mogollons did he cross Salaiz Pass and go NE towards Reserve or did he head west towards Springerville/St John's? I guess either are possible but I don't know the ancient trade routes...anyway thanks for getting me to think about it a little.
@knoxvillehermitfreemoviesm3625
@knoxvillehermitfreemoviesm3625 2 жыл бұрын
very informative thx
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@bobfretz7340
@bobfretz7340 2 жыл бұрын
Cabeza deVaca's shipwreck was near what is Tampa, Florida, today. 300 men survived. Only 4 made it 8 years later to Mexico City, 1 of them an African Muslim slave named Estevanico
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that Bob. The survivors however did not walk from Tampa Bay to Mexico City, they sailed all the way to Galveston Island near Houston, then walked from there to Mexico.
@stingylizard
@stingylizard 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery Yep,what you said. I still wonder if Cabeza actually saw what is now Alibates park,but for sure he walked further nekked than I can in full hiking gear. Salute!
@ronniegriffin5383
@ronniegriffin5383 3 жыл бұрын
Did you look for the ruin in that canyon area, it seems to have alluded many people, Emile Haury looked for it...no dice as did Doug Preston, have you read Doug's book..Cities of Gold? If so how close does it match up to your hypothesis..it's been so long since I read it. I have some thoughts in regard to glaze ware pottery I would be interested in talking with you, I was friends with Mike Hawley and spent a lot of time with him alone firing pottery. Your videos are very interesting.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
No, that Mangus Creek area is all private land, I will need to get permission from land owners before I can look there. Haury was looking in the wrong area and Preston just followed Haury and Bolton’s ideas, way too far west. I could do a whole video on why those guys were way off base, maybe I will some time. I have considered making a video about Hawley, I have a couple of friends who knew him. I would love to talk with you about glaze ware and Hawley. Use the contact form on my website ancientpottery.how to connect with me.
@mandyjemes8547
@mandyjemes8547 2 жыл бұрын
Cities of Gold is a awesome read. I think it's time to read it again. It's been awhile.
@steveburton2410
@steveburton2410 4 жыл бұрын
I can't help but wonder how things would have turned out had Coronado come through at a less harsh time of year.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
Good point, the time of year may have influenced numerous aspects of the trip. Certainly the amount of food the natives had to "share" was effected.
@lahavana9380
@lahavana9380 3 жыл бұрын
God Bless New Spain. The USA and Mexico are heavily influenced by Spain.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 3 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed. Here in Arizona the Spanish influence is great.
@darthchingaso3613
@darthchingaso3613 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery its a history of slavery for the native peoples
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
@@darthchingaso3613 they might not have understood when Coronado showed up but they were in for a rough 300 years.
@darthchingaso3613
@darthchingaso3613 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery they probably figured it out pretty quick, he had a bunch of slaves and native people with him that he treated pretty badly. Word of mouth would spread fairly fast down those trade routes he traveled.
@lusolad
@lusolad 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. These days having anything to do with colonial Spanish history is met by hostile feelings in some quarters.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not saying that Coronado was a great guy, but history still deserves to be studied even if the outcome was bad.
@lusolad
@lusolad 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@EE-ve3vh
@EE-ve3vh 2 жыл бұрын
American supremacy needs all traces of history erased....
@Maintenance63
@Maintenance63 2 жыл бұрын
I also think that it would have been comforting to the spirit to know they were on a trail. Trails would have led to watering holes or something i feel.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
That is definitely true. They followed ancient trails that led from watering hole to watering hole.
@donaldbeamer3563
@donaldbeamer3563 Жыл бұрын
They found Spanish swords and red flint in Stanton County, Kansas. The Red Flint is Native to Arizona or New Mexico, I can't remember as well as I used too. I mention the red flint because both Spanish parties had Indians with them to help with the work loads. Slaves.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
That's awesome, you should talk to an archaeologist about that
@rocksandoil2241
@rocksandoil2241 11 ай бұрын
Did Coronado not cross the Pecos south of Santa Rosa NM? And had to build a bridge to cross. Not much water in most times
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 10 ай бұрын
I don't know much about that part of his journey but he did definitely cross the Pecos.
@byronlemay2166
@byronlemay2166 11 ай бұрын
So that little museum down there in the national monument seems to have it all wrong. They got him going north right there...just a bit east in the valley.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 11 ай бұрын
There are many different theories, this is just my theory. Although I do think that the monument has it wrong.
@spacecatboy2962
@spacecatboy2962 Жыл бұрын
i always wondered if those metal hats were painful to wear
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery Жыл бұрын
No kidding!
@eddycoronado8381
@eddycoronado8381 2 жыл бұрын
😊👍
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Nice name Eddy
@HBelectrician
@HBelectrician 10 ай бұрын
I would assume that searching for the abandoned adobe those in the know would have focused in on satellite images-right?
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 10 ай бұрын
No, any 700 year old adobe ruins leave only a lump of soil which doesn't look like much from the air.
@ronscyberlounge
@ronscyberlounge 4 жыл бұрын
Andy, kudos on your channel here and especially this post. May I share this post on the Coronado Natl Memorial Facebook page?
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
Of course Ron. Thanks.
@ronscyberlounge
@ronscyberlounge 4 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery Thanks! Just posted it. I favor the San Pedro route, for no particular reason, but you are persuasive!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@darthchingaso3613
@darthchingaso3613 2 жыл бұрын
Werent the Opata were part of an existing western trade route between Mexico and the sw? So it would make sense coranado would take the Western route up to zuni, especially as the abandonment of Eastern AZ would make travel along those routes harder and with less opportunities for resupplying from local populations.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
The trade routes went up through the Opata, Cabeza de Vaca came down through the Opata. The Spanish were following Indian trade routes and the locals were used to traveling light and fast.
@kentwilliams4152
@kentwilliams4152 2 жыл бұрын
Having lived in Yuma I can say that the hottest months are July and August.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Southwest Arizona (Yuma) doesn't get the same level of monsoon moisture that southeast Arizona does. In SE AZ June is actually the hottest month, the rains in July and August actually cool the temperature a bit in most years.
@Lunacounty
@Lunacounty 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery True, SE AZ is different than the western part of the state.
@daciefusjones8128
@daciefusjones8128 11 ай бұрын
a lot of that terrain would have changed over the 480 years since then. been some pretty wet ones in that time span.
@FM-ki4dl
@FM-ki4dl 2 жыл бұрын
Legend has it that the Spanish ask the Aztecs for their riches and gold. The Aztecs thought they were asking for their spiritual riches, so the Aztecs led them to their spiritual origins. Wich today is modern day New Mexico. Aztecs say they originated out of a cave along with 7 other tribes.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a little suspicious of mythology, no doubt there is some truth in there but it is hard to separate the fact from the fiction.
@kenfox22
@kenfox22 2 жыл бұрын
We have the Conquistadors to thank for putting to an end of human sacrifice
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Yes they did some good things, but really Cortez was a big jerk.
@kenfox22
@kenfox22 2 жыл бұрын
Talking about putting an end to the Aztecs and all who did human sacrifice
@richstex4736
@richstex4736 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery Like Neil Young said, Cortez was a Killer.
@jeannemason6416
@jeannemason6416 4 жыл бұрын
Like your work...just keep the music down please, ouch..blessings on yuh our new work!
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, thank you
@TexRenner
@TexRenner 2 жыл бұрын
Cabeza de Vaca is the patron conquistador of Galveston island (where I live).
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
Patron conquistador? I've never heard of such a thing.
@TexRenner
@TexRenner 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPottery I don't know the actual term for the conquistador credited with discovering a New World location, if such descriptor exists.
@jorgelopez-vallejocastro6488
@jorgelopez-vallejocastro6488 10 ай бұрын
Did anyone find the ruins??? Thks
@pavelavietor1
@pavelavietor1 10 ай бұрын
The expedition of Coronado never identified it self as Spanish. SALUDOS IBEROAMERICA🎉
@jillatherton4660
@jillatherton4660 Жыл бұрын
👍
@CarlosCastro-ch1ly
@CarlosCastro-ch1ly 2 жыл бұрын
Andy's, estás enfocado en los logros de las exploraciones europeas en América, te sugiero que busques más información en los naturales, ellos son los que encontraron las reservas de agua,los españoles solamente contrataron guias.
@AncientPottery
@AncientPottery 2 жыл бұрын
No es así, ¿has mirado mi otro contenido? Este video es sobre Coronado, por lo que obviamente tiene un enfoque europeo, pero. Coronado definitivamente estaba siguiendo senderos nativos y siguiendo guías nativos. Desafortunadamente, los nativos no escribieron nada para nosotros, así que mucho de lo que sabemos sobre esa época tiene que estar basado en relatos europeos, sin importar cuán mal escritos estén.
The Hunt for Coronado's Lost Campsite
14:28
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 129 М.
What is Salado Pottery? A Short Documentary About Ancient Arizona
14:12
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 19 М.
бабл ти гель для душа // Eva mash
01:00
EVA mash
Рет қаралды 4,1 МЛН
Когда отец одевает ребёнка @JaySharon
00:16
История одного вокалиста
Рет қаралды 17 МЛН
小丑揭穿坏人的阴谋 #小丑 #天使 #shorts
00:35
好人小丑
Рет қаралды 29 МЛН
Sealing and Cooking In Unglazed Earthenware Pottery
18:32
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 140 М.
Coronado and the Seven Cities of Cibola
13:49
New Mexico Historic Sites
Рет қаралды 13 М.
Into the American Southwest, The Coronado Expedition, Part 1
22:09
Historical Context
Рет қаралды 21 М.
Ancient Pottery Journey Across the Southern Southwest
21:51
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 10 М.
The Best Way to Improve Your Wild Clay
12:44
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 23 М.
Chaco Canyon and the Chaco Phenomenon
45:40
Ancient Americas
Рет қаралды 822 М.
Following Ancient Pottery Trade Routes Across Northern Arizona
11:30
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 8 М.
Searching For Ancient Pottery Kilns
18:43
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 8 М.
Make Your Own DIY Olla Irrigation For Cheap or Free!
19:24
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery
Рет қаралды 17 М.
бабл ти гель для душа // Eva mash
01:00
EVA mash
Рет қаралды 4,1 МЛН