Following Up On : How Bad Is Turbo Yeast . . . . .Really?

[@OpenSourceDistilling]

Loved your last comment, "Meh, we don't need you here anyway man." Well said, Jesse. Sometimes people in the home distilling world get very heated and it's uncalled for. In contrast, home beer brewers tend to be very supportive and less guarded when it comes to sharing their secrets sauce. Let's all be respectful to one another, drink some spirits, and share ideas with one another. PS It's fantastic that you are creating so much quality content so often. Love it. Keep up the good work! Cheers!

[@belo2999]

Thanks for introducing me to the iSpindel... yee-hah

[@danroberts2055]

Totally Agree, it's all about the ART. We all use the same paints and brushes we just paint different pictures. Love the craft. I tend to listen and learn and share my knowledge.

[@1FrenchConnection1]

Yeah bro great ispindel video! This hobby make share love and knowledge.

[@titahibayflier3160]

Great video, you have a highly reputable platform here. Keep it coming bro.

[@StillIt]

Appreciate it! And will do ;)

[@theworldisastage1984]

It's been awesome to see it grow!

[@BeardedBored]

I'm looking forward to seeing what you can do with the t500:-)

[@brianmaher4806]

Agree do a normal wash and see what it does and try their copper dome and do a real comparison it’s a easy process to do so let’s see how it can go

[@skeettoclawforte5586]

Agreed! T500 was my first still, great starter one that would be used by someone who might use turbo. I thought that was a way better idea than using an OP still by comparison

[@TPGMatt]

@@skeettoclawforte5586 what is an upgrade from the T500 for whiskey?

[@HodgyE5]

Great video, Thank you for the re-visit. I really like how our comunity can express different views respectfully and share all our experiences. You make my Craft experience all the more better.

[@whocares4583]

I can not describe how professional and informative you are as a content creator! Very refreshing, subbed.

[@GuernB2]

I don't even distill and I'm new to all of this but that last video was pure confirmation bias. You set out with a conclusion already in mind and tried to find evidence to support it. Pure motivated reasoning. I like the channel a lot though so it was cool to see a follow up.

[@raidengoat]

It's not reasonable to expect Jesse to set up a double blind or have biases. It definitely wasn't conclusive, but it does show us that turbo yeast could potentially produce rougher flavors than many alternatives.

[@GuernB2]

@@raidengoat sure, you're not wrong. But he could have done one experiment like he did, so he could find whatever flavors the turbo contributes, then done their recommended method and at least compared the cost / time / process/ end results to determine if it's worth ever using.

[@raidengoat]

@@GuernB2 That makes sense and I agree.

[@rumchaser1able]

If the stuff worked everyone would be using it but that's not the case . Maybe start distilling yourself before you make such assumptions

[@jimbolittle2243]

Your test sample of two was priceless. Your reation and questions on what was liked made smile.

[@cocksmosh]

Jesse...... your passion is infectious, can't get enough my man, f n love it

[@2wheelsbetterthan4]

I'd love to see a video comparing the unfiltered unclarified version of the turbo with a version that's clarified and filtered according to the instructions.

[@MrDavesbox1]

Amen...... we use it ....one packet in a 40 gallon wash......10 days later we clear....filter and then send it to the still.....and I dare you to tell the difference between Turbo and Daddy in the end product

[@bashcoder]

Confirmed: I am now receiving secret messages from your epic beard.

[@Kalanchoe1]

You do your coding in bash or you bash coding?

[@brandontodd6014]

"If your dad doesn't have a beard you've got two mum's."

[@brucekrisko4364]

Another great video Jesse! There are so many different taste's one can achieve with the same mix, no one should be criticizing your pick of reasons for doing what you do. We respect you standing up for yourself! Keep up the great Chase!

[@normalizedaudio2481]

Turbo is incredibly durable - both cold and hot. Botanicals override any yeast flavors. Alcohol conversion is very good.

[@Kumquat_Lord]

God for gins and maceration, then?

[@tomevans1894]

I really appreciate your honesty. It's your unashamed opinion that I love. Please don't change a thing.

[@greenlight679]

Another great video. Never apologize for expressing your opinion or tastes. Keep them coming brother.

[@jimbartosevich498]

Nothing says you can't repeat the experiment with the full turbo procedure. In a way, that would allow you to also give us an informed opinion on whether the added steps help.

[@markellis7961]

Nothing says people can't take the information from this video and run their own experiments, it's just turbo yeast and a sugar wash, fairly quick and inexpensive experiment.

[@kennier91]

@@markellis7961 people are doing it the right way thats the point

[@monkeysuncle2816]

And doing a double blind A/B/X taste test wouldn't hoit, either! Great channel, good job!

[@adammitchell3462]

I'm a new distiller,in the us and I've learned more and more guidance from you Jesse than I've found anywhere else. Thanks to that,I've nothing but great great results.

[@user-lo7uu2qy4x]

Some honest information there mate that's what I like about this channel so keep up the good work 👍

[@nickgreeks6591]

Your getting skinny Jesse, might be time to ferment some beer to up the waste line 🤣

[@TheFriarHenderson]

Haha, he's just buying bigger T-Shirts 😉 Works for me...

[@StillIt]

Not sure about that Dr Geeks. Yo, Friar, stop giving my secrets away haha

[@loadie2004]

Please do some videos on how to improve the T500 and some recipes. I have the alembic dome and have made some rums and whiskey's but am stumbling around trying to learn. I look forward to some guidance. Not everyone can afford spend thousands of dollars to get better equipment. Keep up the great videos!!!

[@thebeaglebeat3615]

I have a tonne of respect for you Jesse, you are one of few, who can put things into perspective from all sides, and not take it personally, it is extremely good to possess that character. Love your channel, I will support you on pateron ASAP.

[@StassBrewing]

This has been a really interesting couple of vids. I'm a pretty experienced home brewer of beer and work in a LHBS that sells turbo yeast and T500s. Your comments make 100% sense to me and mirrors what I've often thought. Keep up the good work!

[@richardharris5083]

Looking forward to your T500 tips and mods . 🍻

[@andyharris3084]

Turbo clear is just Chitosan and Keiselsol like you'd get anywhere. Turbo carbon, I understand, is to absorb some of the byproducts from using the "Turbo" yeast range.

[@gregorystalans3094]

First off let me just say that I’m a huge fan of your channel. I’ve been practicing this craft for a couple years now and personally enjoy using alcotec turbo 200 yeast. I’m working on expanding my yeast usage and also my fermentation’s. Keep the videos coming. They have certainly kept me entertained while quarantining with this case of covid I have. Keep chasing the craft!

[@stillworksandbrewing]

Very well said, if you are a home distiller do what you want because you can Cheers!!

[@MortRotu]

You done a science, your opinion changed with the evidence and you shed your bias in doing so. Good job, I wish more people had the ability to do what you've just done and change your opinion when presented with new evidence. Keep doing what you're doing, please!

[@StillIt]

Cheers mate

[@MortRotu]

@@StillIt no problem, thank you for all the info you've put out about the craft I'd like to try at some point, altho it might be a bit dodgy to do so here in the UK. I'm still trying to work out exactly what the rules are here for distillation.

[@SPUDMACKER]

It's that age old argument - Do you like coke or pepsi? Everyone's different. I say each to there own.

[@andrewharper1609]

The difference between Coke and Pepsi is that Pepsi has a higher sugar content by 2 tsp per 330ml can. Personally I notice and prefer Pepsi. I had Coca Cola over Christmas and I think they may have changed the recipe. I certainly didn't enjoy it as much as I used to when I was younger.

[@scottayling694]

Coca cola is far superior in my opinion.

[@chrisanderson1498]

I switched from the Turbo yeast that I used for the first few runs and now use Dady and Dap. Let’s me adjust the amounts used by batch size without over pitching. Product seems much better IMO. Thanks Jesse for keeping it real. Cheers buddy ! 🥃

[@ohravenous1]

Appreciate your honesty! YAY for an honest dude!

[@clickfix]

Most of the stuff in the bag is actually a PH buffer, not yeast and nutrients. Its usually sodium citrate and citric acid. My guess is that this is what gives the typical "turbo flavor".

[@grahamsmith6677]

Nice honest video. It really is what we want as opposed to what is 'correct'. Coming from the brewing world, which is the wash world in effect, I appreciate the like of difference in the end product that fermentation temp makes with the same yeast, same recipe. Same recipe, different yeast, different end product. And so on - endless variables. As we gain experience we learn what we like and what we don't. We learn where we concentrate our efforts and where we're not really interested. For instance, I run a T500 at just above 55C on the water outlet. If a sugar wash with a 'turbo yeast' it's normally the vodka star style. Whichever one it is it will be fermented at a low temperature (got cooled fermentor for brewing) to prevent too many esters etc. The wash will be cleared - why burst all those yeast cells and run nutrient and dead yeast through the still. Don't use carbon as this may take out the taste but doesn't remove what produces it. When distiling I only redistill mids together. And so on. Oddly, I'm not a spirit drinker except with mixers and making the likes of sloe gin and also white rum to keep the neighbor happy. I find that a turbo yeast (cleared and fermented low) , first run mid mixed with the Still Spirit white rum essence produces a great white rum, that once mixed with coke keeps any Bacardi and coke fan happy. Why piss around trying to perfect the Bacardi flavour? A double distilled mid tastes almost exactly like Grey Goose vodka. Like your wife, most people seem to like a bit of sweetness to their vodka. My reference is Absolut. I once mixed a triple distilled turbo with a sachet of west coast whiskey essence and gave it to a west coast fan and she thought it wonderful. No point in making super high grade gin for the likes of sloe gin as its stuffed with sugar and sloes - which is true for a lot of liqueurs. And so on. It's horses for courses. Back in my brewing world we have THT. (That Homebrew Taste). Assuming that it's not some shitty cheapo kit, (there are some really good kits these days if that's your thing), the THT is normally a result of someone without experience chucking a load of sugar into the ferment or too high a ferment temp, not getting rid of the chlorine etc. They simply don't know on which areas to concentrate their efforts - brewing is a very forgiving process but we need to know which areas aren't so forgiving, so where to concentrate on getting within parameters. Usually very simple tweaks to produce exponentially better beer. Past this we get into the multi hop world, wet yeasts, bla bla. I think this is where your video on turbo yeast loses some of us. There's a big difference on pragmatic acceptance of the perfectly acceptable relative to effort and subjective perfectionism.

[@jonathancutwright6340]

Love your passion. Great comment at the end to tell the haters to kick rocks. No place for that here.

[@jamesgrey8093]

People new to this craft need to see the science of fermentation and using the turbo helps to show the different phases in thie craft. Happy distilling

[@gmrbison7316]

T500 for the boiler is ok, use other products for column or pot still. And power controller is a must.

[@mulletjocks]

Perfect ending to the video. A very “south of the equator” answer to critics! 3” stainless CCVM keg build with 3” shotgun is getting vinegered soon and it wouldn’t have happened without your vids. A few 50l washes of Turbo after the cleaning, sure, but I have a 200l blue ex-vinegar barrel for TSFFV just waiting for proof of concept thanks to your vids Jessie. Rock on!

[@hazard1nc]

I think you're right about the flavors and everyone tasting things differently, but the only thing I really use turbo yeast for, is vodka or rc car fuel, if I distill it. I use it in wines and meads, and it has multivitamins ground into it to keep it going strong, that's half the nasty off flavor that people talk about, but I really don't taste it myself. Thanks for sharing your views Jessi. This is your hobby, not everyone else's, so do what you like brother.

[@uroutw8041]

looking forward to learning more about what you do with the 500

[@paulswan1965]

Hey Jesse, please do a full turbo kit run & then you can make another statement on the taste differences, for me, I started with the Pure Distilling system, the first 2 runs made me fall in love with the craft & I used the Pure Distilling yeast kit for that, then my supplier that I travel 230km return to could not get the yeast kit ( by that I mean the same as the Classic * Turbo packs) just there brand, so I had to try the Classic 8 Pack run in the Pure Distilling system, & I somehow liked the end product better, our local Foodworks started to stock it so got it from there, then I had a fall couldn't drive for 8 weeks & they ran out of the Classic 8 no one could get any, the suppliers where out, so had to use the Classic 6 for 4 runs, had problems with that the taste was not bad, but not the same, now we are lucky they have been able to get stock so back to the Classic 8. I am looking at making maybe a plate collum to take me to the next level, so for me, I see the Turbo 500 & the Pure Distilling setups as a good way for a new person to stick the toe in & see if the craft is for them at a price that is not way out there. Keep up the good work Jesse, cheers from OZ

[@samljer]

the charcoal with turbo clear is mandatory for good results using turbo yeasts. theres no discussion here, if you dont use it, subpar results. that isnt to say; sugar wash will be better then a real grain wash. but the difference is going from 2/10 to 7/10 (assuming grain washes are 10/10)

[@russellmcgahee942]

The Craft is the point . Time is worth the effort.

[@gordlockwood1213]

This hobby has a steeper learning curve than Cat Juggling!🤣

[@DubstepMonkey42]

Really keen to see what mods you do with the t500. Cool video man because of you I have tried some funky stuff not as funky as bearded but one day hopefully will follow his adventurous things.

[@greyarea3804]

As always I enjoy your videos. I think the turbo yeast and distiller are so quick and easy to actually make something. It may not be the best but in the beginning to a new distiller it's wonderful. The reason is you made it yourself. I think cutting back on the pitch of turbo yeast May cutback on the bad flavors. So what you have to wait an extra day or two. Patience comes with experience. I'm still in patient LOL

[@andrewtheologo1268]

Some T500 things i do... I put a layer of marbles in the boiler (almost 300) I do a single run at 48deg C I put a bit of butter in it to break surface tension The first 250ml is dumped, there seams to be a taste difference between the 200ml and 250ml mark Get the small pump from them, this should be a standard with the T500....it makes a massive difference. I also put a temp strip on the pump housing, it helps you understand flow rate VS water temp

[@martink9785]

Good video, well considered and good on you for holding your hands up regarding your preconceived judgement on it. I'm going to try it when I start because as you say, it's guaranteed to work. It'll get me going without worrying about the first step. 👍

[@illtrax]

"With a sample size of 2 we already have a disagreement" bahhh hahaha. My wife is going to love that line.

[@desertriderukverun1002]

Another good video Jesse. As you say, it's about making what you want the way you like it. A suggestion for future videos is to dive into the effects of yeasts on flavor. I plan on starting my first UJSSM in the near future and am planning to use Safbrew T-58 as I want a yeast that should theoretically add some interesting flavor to the recipe. Not to bash turbo (I've never used it) but what's the point of a fast yeast if you go through added steps to clean up after fermenting and make multiple distillations. Just start with a recipe that will yield a good clean ferment, leave it be for one or two weeks and keep life simple.

[@melsilva9158]

Jesse, since you brought up the topic.... maybe you already have a video on this.... What are your "go-to" yeasts for Bourbon, Rye or Scotch? Are they different? Why? What flavor profile the yeast imparts are you chasing? Do you blend yeast? What about splitting a batch of wash, fermenting with different yeast and recombining them at the distillation step? Sorry man, I am way behind, work has been really busy do to Covid-19 and I need to get caught up.

[@williamhouston9312]

Keep doing what you do. If someone doesn't like it theres dozens of us that do. Before you totally write turbo yeast off, like I was going to do, try 1/4-1/2 pitch and fermenting under pressure. Completely different final product.

[@grasshopperhawk]

Maybe do an additional test and pitch at half rate, then ferment at the the low end of the temperature range? Also might try it on raw or inverted sugar just for an interesting taste test--table sugar is always a little weird distilled.

[@elektrobear2027]

Turbo yeast is a Swedish invention and here illicitly made vodka is distilled once then proofed to 40% abv and filtered with a carbon filter so the off flavours disappears.

[@robsalvv5853]

One of George's yeast vids cracked open the secret of Turbo yeast - if memory serves, it was a ratio of one DADY to two DAPs and /or other yeast nutrient in one convenient packet. Much is made about Turbo yeast, but it's basically a marketing thing. It is an over pitched, over fed yeast mix to make sure that sugar washes get fermented quickly. The rapid fermentation potentially throws up off flavours that requires all the carbon and clearing and filtering to make a neutral that can be flavoured.

[@meyogy2414]

Loved the last video. Even liked this one as you summarised everything after you absorbed your results from the turbo test. I'm fermenting my first tpw (even though i added yeast nutrient) but now I'm not afraid to throw down a turbo if i want to try it. Keep doing you👍

[@jubilant660]

I started with turbo yeast kits and well they worked but do have a nasty smell and taste... blended with strong flavours it kinda works but isn't great. However your teddysads video has changed my way of life and wow the difference is amazing. You rock. Keep it up mate from a happy fat kid in auckland

[@superdupermax]

Good point on the reasoning for the amount of stuff in the package. My current waiting to process batch was 2 buckets with half the pounch in each. Fermented at lower ambient temp and took about a week. I recon the temp wasnt the issue as thats about how long it took in similar conditions with a full pouch as well.

[@ifell3]

I think you done the right thing, you wanted to taste the flavours to know what they taste like or off.

[@StillIt]

Cheers mate.

[@Max-de2rt]

SO ! If not already made somewhere on the channel, any video coming out regarding a homemade "Turbo yeast" recipe ?! Could also have a video on various recipe performance ?

[@jesseenns5573]

From What I Learn Of the Previous Video is "Do More With Less". . . Make Turbo You're Own and Kickass And Take Names.

[@tonyoliver4920]

I think it’s only fair that you do the turbo again twice (1) with its additional products and (2) without And put in that love and care to make them both as good as they can be. This will give a more accurate review AND can see if all the other stuff they offer are actually worth investing

[@mezzoono]

Have been using TUBO Yeast for a year now and found that there was to many unwanted flavors. now just using bakers yeast is a little more neutral flavor in TPW - Great video, you have a highly inform able - Great work Mr STILL IT.

[@compass270]

I had only used Turbo Classic when I started out. Fermented 8 kgs sugar (~20%)down to .990. (Hey, I was a noob) Tasted OK only because I was excited about the craft. In hindsight, it was crap. Now distilling

[@silver-hy6mi]

Just found your comment on still it! Totally agree with you on still spirit turbo yeasts, I’ve the lot the Fast yeast is that fast it never fermented, and the others have a lot of off flavours! So now I am using DADDY yeast with different nutrients!

[@juncusbufonius]

I think you were clear and as a Turbo user I had no problem with what you said. You have pushed me to change though. A good discussion of the issues.

[@corydelbridge5484]

I started learning about stilling in October. I’ve seen a few other guys in my KZbin rabbit hole and you have answered any questions I’ve had either in reply or a video. It seems to me this hobby is a matter of preference no matter how you look at it. So I think you handled it diplomatically. I’ve seen things you do for flavors that my may not like but that’s ok. If everyone had the same taste there’d be no variety. I say keep up the good work and thank you for my education. You seem like a cool dude to me.

[@Winteryears]

I will also say, I'm a super fan. I think you're spreading the word and doing good.

[@yomama69s]

I bought a t500 in May, and I've done several runs of vodka using the classic 8 turbo yeast. My whole family enjoys it, but I am looking to reduce costs, as I'm using the dextrose sugar which is expensive. I'm going to try a regular sugar wash once I'm out of dextrose. I look forward to seeing your content on this still in the future.. I'd love to try a new recipe should you put one out. CHEERS!

[@KB-uv7xo]

Thanks for sharing. I’ve been using the T500 for some time with the copper alembic dome and condenser and a variable transformer to control boiler temp and managed to make some tasty grain whiskeys. Love your channel. And George at Barley and Hops. And Bearded and Bored. You guys rock!

[@1971holden]

Would love to get your opinion and ideas on the ways of upgrading the T500, Love the vids keep them coming

[@FoolOfATuque]

I think the biggest problem I see with it is cost. It’s like 8 bucks a pack which is like liquid beer brewing yeast cost territory. You can get a 1lb pack of red star DADY and do a whole lot more fermentation with it for the same price. Yeast nutrient is always a good idea whether fermenting a mash, wash, or wort, but you can buy a tub separate and dose it correctly. I’ve been using Distillivite and DADY with good results and those are going to last forever. I don’t think you can over pitch yeast though. I think you can get off flavors from yeast nutrient if you put too much in.

[@aldreds]

Recently I made a molasses wash using a wine yeast and then distilled it. The distilled product had a sweet taste that was somewhat overwhelming. I used a carbon filter to remove that taste and it turned out okay. My next attempt was using the classic turbo yeast following the manufacturers instructions including the carbon additive. The distilled product tasted way better, but I also used a carbon filter on the spirit to further remove any unwanted flavours. The end result was astounding as a vodka spirit and the yield was significantly higher. Just to clarify the process for both products, I only use the hearts and did not do a stripping run. I also maintained a constant temperature to ensure a quality run. I’ve made spirit from wines previously and have ended up with burnt flavours towards the end of those runs which needed to be carbon filtered to remove the unwanted flavours. In short, I think the classic turbo yeast is an amazing product and will use it again for low flavour spirit to amend later with my preferred flavours. When making rum or whisky I’ll stick with more traditional washes as they start with the desired flavours. I enjoy your videos but would like to see more about carbon filtering and additive flavours. Happy distilling

[@michaelstanley3961]

Hi Jessie. Have made several batches of Odins gin from both the full turbo package , carbon 3tc and birdwatchers, and there is only one conclusion the quality and flavour of the birdwatchers was far superior. Turbo makes you greedy as the output of alcohol is higher, but the flavours of the gin is more chemically. Keep plodding on Mike

[@thomascaldwell6545]

Looking forward to more t500 vids mate,ive been using it for 2 years,made some great spirits,especially gin with the kit,take care

[@brianmaher4806]

How about your normal wash using the copper dome t500. Does that compère to your CCM

[@williamarmstrong7199]

What was the abv of the wash before distilling? George recons anything above 14% ABV in a wash will have off flavours in the distillate. Would it be worth doing a wash say in a larger volume with the normal sugar level to achive 14% or less. Then see if the distillate has a different flavour?

[@Eddie-hk5sf]

"With new information, my mind can change"

[@jonjessen]

Hi everyone. You can use turbo yeast for adding excellent flavour. My favourite: Take double snake C3 turbo yeast, follow the instructions but add 4-6kg if wild plums. And you get an awesome apple taste. You can likely use grape's or other fruits with sour skin. Also it's very good for fruity Gin.

[@Appophust]

I personally felt you had very valid points presented in an adult and inoffensive manner. And I personally think that none of the turbo yeast brands have good directions anyway, and if you need all of that extra junk to clear it and strip flavor that shouldn't have been there in the first place, you might as well just buy the supplies you need and actually learn the process. The stuff is also absolutely expensive compared to just buying the nutrients and yeast you need. It's more of a thing for newbies, and with that point I can totally see the purpose of using it.

[@jeffroderick5783]

Very Entertaining and Good School Teaching MR

[@rrmuf]

Keep it up Jesse: Love that you share your opinions and openness. Hobby Distilling and ‘religion’ don’t mix and we don’t need people who don’t get that. We are all on a journey; let’s just enjoy it.

[@TheGreatest1974]

I ONLY use Still Spirits turbo yeast in a normal 6 bag sugar wash- but you MUST use turbo Clear to clear the wash before distilling in the air still. I get a great clean spirit vodka that I can flavour as I wish. I just got over a gallon of good clear spirit from a 8 day fermentation. I will filter it also through the Still Spirits carbon filter and I put the SAME litre through the same filter 3 times and get great results. 👍🇬🇧

[@JohnnyMarks-ju9st]

Hi Jesse I have been distilling with turbo yeast for a number of years but unlike yourself splitting the yeast between two 5 gallon tubs which I find OK, stay safe thanks for entertaining and educating me 😊

[@footloosecamping4699]

Issue I have with turbo yeast is not only those off flavors. It is also using the carbon to remove the off flavor. It also removes the good flavers. You then have to purchase the flavors to put back that you would have had in the first place. Most likly not as good as you would have had Turbo may be ok for Vodka. Defiantly not for any thing else.

[@GaBiggunn]

I usually use turbo yeast for my sugar washes. But I also run it through a carbon filter. When you need a quick turnaround, turbo is a good way to go.

[@sezginozcan5498]

hey i don't know if you will answer my question i added 250 gram of activated carbon to my fermented sugar wash but i doesnt seem to get rid of that smell what can i do about it what may have gone wrong?( i assume that i did something wrong as this is my first try)

[@GaBiggunn]

@@sezginozcan5498 I run my distillate through a carbon filter post distillation. Putting the carbon in the wash can help clear it some but won’t get a whole lot of the junk. I build a carbon filter using 2 liter coke bottles, coffee filters and activated carbon. There are videos on KZbin that will help you build one.

[@markellis7961]

The T500, is a pretty good beginners still. I see on the forums people bagging it, stating it requires constant adjustment, but I think those people are just failing to realise that it is a reflux still, you need to balance it, George from Barely & Hops go into that on several of his videos. If you don;t balance it, then yes, you will forever be making adjustments, the simplest way with the T500 (because it doesn't have a vapour thermometer, old models did), is simply touch the top of the column, if it hot to touch, turn the water on. I have been thinking of taking that little hose off the top, and have two inlets and outlets, so that I can run the condenser and reflux chamber separately. it would also make using as a pot still more convenient, as that hose can be a bugger to get off. The condenser on it, is pretty remarkable given the small size of it, which you'll definitely notice running it as a pot still. I haven't pull mine apart to look inside, but I wonder if it is a shotgun condenser?

[@MadJix]

I can get a 24 hour ferment with kveik and it tastes better imo. I think it was a good enough comparison.

[@invisiondesign9955]

When you say, 'why not start with something that is more neutral'.. what is that? would like to know how to do it. right now, the only way i know of making a neutral product is using turbo yeast with sugar.

[@markrobertson6928]

Love your videos mate ,anyone who unsubscribes ( ITS THERE LOSE ) Keep chasing the craft 👍

[@vtbn53]

You didn't fuck up, you presented a controversial topic, it's at once interesting, and subject to criticism, but I loved it! I sincerely hope you go to the next stage and go to the full recommended process. I am a baker's yeast fan, but I can think of circumstances (ok mostly due to nno time to do my usual procedure) where I may want to go turbo (again)...

[@dmlarsen301]

Hey Jesse, first off, mad props for making this video. Thank you. As I recently (coincidentally) tried turbo yeast for the first time, I'd like to share my thoughts on it and your videos. Now, I'm a recent subscriber to the channel and I admit to being a bit turned off by the first video. Because in my mind, the title of the video, "How bad is turbo yeast" makes me think turbo yeast is bad. The taste test, seemed to be a way of proving the point. Which your wife didn't exactly support, lol. I guess to me, it kind of came off as a hit job. But I don't think that was intentional, now that I've seen your follow up. My experience with turbo yeast was quite positive, but I don't distill. (yet) I guess you'd call me an experienced home brewer. I make beer and cider, but I've yet to make the leap to purchasing a still (I may have to look at that T-500.) Anyway, I recently made a batch of freezer-jack using turbo yeast. I choose it, because I wanted a yeast that wouldn't bottom out when the ABV got too high. The fact that it converted all the sugar in such a short amount of time, was kind of a bonus actually. So, I froze the cider and ended up with about a 60 proof product. The wife and I have been enjoying it quite a bit. There's no bad yeast, just yeast that you might use for whatever your reasons might be. Your mileage may vary. On your final point, I agree 100% The best part about this hobby is that there is something for just about everyone. Dry/sweet/whatever, you'll likely find things you like and don't like. The stuff you don't like may be bad because you don't like the way it tastes, but it's not "objectively bad." Anyway, I did find your video thought provoking and I have a strong enough sense of my own opinions that I'm not offended when someone disagrees. I, for one, have no intention of unsubscribing! Thanks so much for the great content. -Dave

[@Jack-It-UP]

Hi, talking about doing comparisons, why not have a look at freeze distilling. Apple jack comes to mind, but Kiwi jack could be a game changer, blueberry jack or licorice allsorts jack might be a new National drink somewhere. We need to know!! Cheers

[@thomasschwab2108]

i've made gallons of what i call admirals rum using turbo yeast in a pot still and i don't know what a turbo flavor is? i did roast my own white oak and put the cubes into the jars. loved the result!!

[@paulsapper]

Hey mate good video. I run the T500 and have done a quiet a few Turbo and TPW washes, some have been good some have been not so good. To start with I used the carbon etc in the wash but no longer use it, I feel its more of a gimmick than anything else, also I don’t use the clearing agent as that’s mainly used to settle the carbon from what I’ve been told. To clear my wash I just use about 4 Tspoons of gelatine. The really good runs with the Turbo wash was during winter when the temps were lower than summer and it turned out not too bad, I’m in the process of fermenting in a temp controlled fridge for the first time to see if that helps and then the next change I will be making is to use dextrose to see how that affects the taste. The local brew shop says that the heat in summer can really stress the yeast and that gives off the bad flavours but you probably knew that already. A mates old man loves the rum with a turbo wash and when I’ve given him a bottle of Rum made from TPW he wasn’t that keen, I like the TPW as well but just different tastes I guess. I am looking forward to seeing what you have next in store for the gateway still. And to those that oppose Meh !

[@mike5147]

I am also considering the beerdroid then distill it to....whatever. Just to save on space....

[@duanegalesloot6749]

I use and like turbo, charcoal, clear. But respect your opinion and videos ....keep them coming

[@michaelwakeham224]

Hey Jesse. Just found your channel by chance the other day and listen to it going yo work. I'm a novice using the t500, but love listening to your vids. The taste of the yeast you talk about is there, but does slightly disappear with carbon filtering, does actually fade away after a couple of months. I've found for myself, the t500 is user friendly time wise. But if I had more time I definitely use both methods. To me me they both have their place, and I'm hanging with anticipation for the mods you can do. Don't let the haters bother you!

[@kitobi10660]

i use turbo almost exclusivley and many users of the T500 with a refulx column are not looking for flavour, alot of us use the essences for flavour, you can make near identical JD, Southern comfort, Whisky, Gins etc using a totally neutral alcohol and one of the "top shelf" essences, maybe try one next to a shop bought and see if you can tell the diffrence :) plus alot of us do not have access to the new or larger stills, plates etc are all an overseas import at extrodinary cost. i usually do make a TPW but then add a turbo yeast as i see it as a "all in one" yeast with nutrients instead of adding the same in seperate amounts.

[@shoquist]

My first still was an essencia dual element 25L reflux still and I quickly outgrew it, but that being said, it was a great little unit to learn the theory on and build my confidence before I upgraded to my 50L still with interchangeable parts.

[@jameskilgore2414]

I'm grateful that you did the video. I've already started a fresh wash with a different yeast and look forward to comparing it to my turbo vodka. Cheers.

[@kenwalker4203]

I have ran the turbo yeast 24 hour and the 48 hour at the same time in 2 separate sugar washes and they took the same amount of time I have found that a sugar wash with Dap and DADY is cheaper and tastes better And the T500 has done a great job for me but this is my first piece of equipment I want to build my own pot still eventually Great video and shirt

[@StillIt]

Yeah totally dude. I guess for many, both the T500 and Turbo, end up being stepping stones.

[@kenwalker4203]

@@StillIt yes very true the T500 is very good for making a neutral spirt in which is very good for many different types of recipes But with some manipulation you can get it to work like a pot still to a point I don’t have the copper dome because it is extremely expensive for one thing and too is it really worth the cost Myself building a pot still is the best as you are building it you can customize it to fit your individual needs

[@shanerobinett2857]

Just got my copper T500 and my next wash will be a TPW. You are a effin champion Bro

[@johncowan5706]

Another great video. Thanks again for your work and thank you for sharing. keep it up man.