Football Manager is in trouble.

[@thedislikebutton163]

Without FM how will I ever know a player before they blow up

[@Vizeh]

I enjoy playing older FM's to then take the wonderkids we don't even know yet and act like I did something good

[@info0]

FM24 will be getting squad updates from community guys like Notorious pr0 - I have used his DBs since at least FM2014. He released the new database + wonderkids yesterday. The amount of work he and his team does is quite absurd.

[@SchnitzelCFC]

Too real

[@cazter901]

sverre halseth nypan this year

[@cazter901]

@@Vizehme when i sign ronaldinho on retro databases😂

[@4tyu3318]

Even if the new one is shit, which it probably won’t be, I can just play fm24 forever. It’s one of those games where you can just play until 2100 (in game) and still have fun

[@benficademacaufan]

Exactly

[@heitorardachnikoff1]

Same, for me the FM24 is the only one where I never reach a point where I lost the will to play.

[@pan-africanmovement938]

Facts.

[@sethmurphy3516]

I take your point but still would be nice if the new one can be released in a good state

[@Vizeh]

Absolutely mate!

[@kyleshrum8186]

We don’t want a dumbed down game. We took the time to learn the game because we love the game. That’s my issue with this. Console version sucks. I’ve played it. The PC version of the game is so much better it’s crazy. The depth on PC is so much more immersive.

[@BlackRedMilkTea]

this. i went down the mobile one just because i couldnt afford the time to play the pc ver as much as i like to but still want some fm. i always feel something inside me dying whenever i launch the game on my phone

[@Kezz9825]

Literally. SI are wanking on about console and mobile BUT NO ONE CARES. Miles has totally lost the plot he’s too complacent he needs to be replaced by someone who actually cares about the REAL player base…

[@mw56101]

PC users are being cast aside in a quest to capture a modern audience

[@lewishagan9319]

It will still have the depth, they're just overhauling the user interface and graphics, which is a win for me. Though admittedly the steam screenshots look like there's too much space. However, there will be custom skins and everything im sure so will it really matter

[@Kezz9825]

@@mw56101 such a joke isn’t it, and not a funny one

[@PasOdMater]

I'd say that FM24 is the best one that's ever been released so far, and I've been playing since CM 01/02. The thing that scares me the most about FM25 is that SI's trying to go for the mythical 'wider audience' instead of building up its actual core like they've done so far successfully. I've not yet seen a game make this move and not become worse.

[@mw56101]

They're chasing those Unicorns

[@edmann1820]

I have to disagree. Tactically less worked or was viable. It's not quite as bad as the year where gegenpress was an auto win. Defensive tactics, low blcoks, standing off were not viable at all. So 24 was not a diverse game. The AI transfers while improved was still janky and annoying. It became easier to just meet whatever the AI asking price was and it was harder to sell players for more than what the generated value was. I'm happy to skip a year when it's a good game that I'm enjoying. I stopped playing FM24 months and months ago and probably got less hours in than in previous titles.

[@aspect359]

@@edmann1820your in the minority mate

[@edmann1820]

@@aspect359 The majority of people think the shawshank redemption is the best movie ever made. I'm fine with not being in the majority.

[@DanS33Toon]

CM 99/00 the best for me and from the FM series I still think it peaked around FM11. Think SI are getting lost in what they want rather than focusing on the community

[@francisugboko]

From EA 25 to Football Manager. Bro never rest. Respect.

[@Vizeh]

Rocket League has it coming next bro

[@xyonical3863]

@@Vizeh Epic has completely killed RL wouldn't mind if you did a vid on it

[@chinny18]

@@Vizeh Vizeh is on fire right now. Keep it up!

[@NandoFIT-df8ly]

crazy how ea25 is now good and fm is now rubbish. how the tables have turned

[@saka.goatftbl21]

@@Vizeh💀💀

[@alec.mp4]

One of the biggest things about game design is that just because no one uses something, doesn’t mean it should be removed. Sure, most people never manage internationally, but just the fact that you could if you wanted and its there makes it so much better.

[@goalski134]

i always manage internationals. i thoroughly enjoy it

[@nas84payne]

It just makes the game world more immersive, more realistic. I even like the thing of leagues that aren’t playable but like, run in the background.

[@hughjass5719]

Championship manager 01/02 one of the best games of all time

[@rosssloman1309]

Aye. Justin Gorcelin was mint.

[@nas84payne]

Champ Man 97/98 a thing of greatness as well.

[@odin8809]

That game was so cracked. Eldar Hadzimehmedovic scored between 35-40 goals every season if you bought him in to play offensive midfielder. Mediocre starts, except 20 in finishing.

[@Shadow-Astro69]

"We're gonna remove this feature that 6 percent of our players play." "We're gonna focus on this new feature that 0.1 percent of our players will play." Yup sound logic to me

[@Cal900]

People will give it a go once which will skew the data results for the short term.

[@Shadow-Astro69]

@@Cal900 trust me people aren't gonna give it a go

[@Cal900]

@@Shadow-Astro69 for the record, I don’t think they will be main saves but curiosity.

[@brothaclam]

Costing twice the time to add.

[@lionheart3429]

Realistixally with the minimal updates for years , they should of had more than enougg time to build this new engine and have it ready . No excuses

[@Prodelem]

Facts

[@andrewpelham1269]

They aren't building a new engine, they are using Unity for the new engine, and are dealing with all the problems that entails. The engine they have been using has been the in house one.

[@lionheart3429]

@andrewpelham1269 Maybe I worded it wrong , however, the point still stands . They have had more than enough time to fine-tune this new engine because the in-house one has barely changed for years

[@thedead073]

Depends on when they decided to make the switch ​@@lionheart3429

[@maxderdax6117]

I don't think you quite understand how these kinds of massive software development projects work. You can't move the game to a new engine while still making the old one on the old engine how would that work. They had to start from scratch and release it on the new one.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

No international football is a dealbreaker. I love playing as a national manager. Some of the most fun I had the last decade was guiding Belgium with all it's talent to actual success for example

[@Cespar997]

As a Wimbledon fan. Sports Interactive have been our shirt sponsors for over 20 years. The longest kit sponsor in sports I'm pretty sure. This is very sad news.

[@oakenstake4948]

12:51 The logo and title screen change does really encapsulates this whole process. FM24 logotype and title screen are distinct and they scream soul and passion for the football game that has been refined for decades. Meanwhile, on FM25 its just another simplistic logotype and the title screen looks so generic, something an AI would make.

[@codysteele144]

Tbf I kind of expected this to happen. Some people don’t realise that SI have gave themselves only a year and a half to build the game from the ground up on a new engine so meeting that deadline would be very tough and features would need to be dropped. And the announcement of pre-orders without saying anything new about the game is something SI have done for years (considering it’s a new engine they definitely should be saying something though) so I’m not surprised at the lack of announcements.

[@michaelfarrow5817]

Miles can't run a games studio. FM is the best because it has had no competition for 20 years.

[@lisaruhm6681]

They have been talking about switching to Unity for FM 25 in the announcements for FM 22...

[@matthew_jw1318]

You mean they messed up how to make a game? If they planned this properly, they would build the game as is or close, then added features focusing mainly on the match engine. Instead, they zoned in on features and got to the late stage and said yeah we can not add this and that.

[@sandorfuleki5060]

I am currently totally addicted to FM 2005. Loving the simplicity of it. These modern FMs...yuck.😂

[@shaydixon780]

The most disastrous thing they’re doing is removing international football because it’s only played by 6% of players, yet they’re adding women’s football, which will not reach those numbers. Realistically they should’ve started making this game 3-4 years ago alongside the games being made at the time. 7 million sales, over £20 million in sales every year , a couple of extra creators to focus on this game for years wouldn’t have broken the bank. I will stick with FM24 and let other mugs be their guinea pigs.

[@mch-gaming1437]

On top of that, the majority of players who would delve into women's football would do it through international teams as well.

[@Vegan_Photographs]

They’re not removing it because of that… they’re removing many features cause they’re not fleshed out…

[@MrBannystar]

@@Vegan_Photographs No one's saying that's the reason why, the point is they've added a feature which is likely to be less popular than international management, unless it manages to bring millions of players who are interested in the women's game.......

[@blakepilkington1998]

They started development on this version 5 years ago mate. Main issue i think is that coding for alot of things in fm is completely broken so they’re trying to fix things that were implemented in 2012.

[@teamezyw6009]

Well I mean your complaining but also like you said 6% play it that’s horrendously low so there’s no reason they’ve taken it out it will be back I imagine and in a way better way to get that % up not because of women’s football or other features added not because women’s football will get a higher %, pretty sure they started developing this for longer than 4 years so I don’t really get that point either 👍

[@TheBestSnail7668]

it’s just that they’re isolating their main player base which is never good for any game or business in general

[@BenMcManus]

That's a bit of a reach, how are they isolating the player base?

[@grmthmpsn]

@@BenMcManus Go play FM 24Console and FM24. The new game is looking more and more like it is based on FM Console. Less features, less overall depth, simplified systems / UI. I half expect the new game to have a 30 season limit the same as FM Console. The core player base play on FM24, they are pushing the new game as more of a console experience, which risk alienating the players that prefer the normal game and systems. Those players are the main player base. How many of the big FM content creators use FM Console? None, Zealand, Lollujo, WTS, TomFM, Loki, Clayts they all use the full version so they have access to all of the features. This would be like Pokemon announcing the next main line game is being made in the style of Mystery Dungeon, or FromSoft announcing they are making Elden Ring 2 using the Dark Souls 2 engine.

[@Ixar900]

@@BenMcManusthey make games not for them anymore like most new editions of games in 2020-2024

[@BenMcManus]

@@Ixar900 I don't know what you mean by that

[@liammitchell3948]

@@BenMcManusI think he may mean that they are sliming everything down for console version when the main player base historically has been PC gamers.

[@lost-in-amsterdam]

Can't wait for 0.1% of the player base playing women's football after the first month

[@markbrown1089]

if they are lucky

[@liamoneill4706]

I might buy it just so I can untick the fucker when im choosing the leagues

[@jabba7746]

Since 2007? I remember playing championship manager on pc back in 1996 and I'm sure it was going before then.

[@garyrenton4930]

Championship manager 2 was the first one for me

[@NJTRAF]

I started in 93 😂

[@ashwall8634]

LMA Manager on PS1 was also way ahead of its time

[@kevinb9830]

It was. I played the very first one in 93, and every version since. Won;t be buying this one.

[@Vizeh]

Sadly I wasn't born then haha, but it's always been an enjoyable chill game of mine!

[@Sallem-c8r]

guys lets accept it if you are an old player of FM , your time is over and FM is basically thinking about the new generation sad to say hard to accept :/

[@thevanicant5364]

And I was really looking to finnaly get into Football Manager, my dad has been playing this game since 2010 and I just couldnt be asked to care, he is quite dissapointed over how the game is turning out but he said he will still play.

[@Vizeh]

You can still Play FM2024 or even any older FM more than fine, the main issue with this one is that it may be not a finished product by time it's released due to the new engine

[@rolo951]

The only people pretending to be concerned are the people who are upset that women are being added to the game.

[@info0]

@@rolo951 it's not that simple. International Management had to be taken out of FM25, but women management is there. Trust me, many people love International Management and they don't care about women leagues. That's why people are upset.

[@gobra9048]

⁠@@rolo951 not really. I personally don‘t care to much about women‘s football. I also don’t care to much about international managment because it‘s not very well implemented in my opinion. So we might actually see a real improvement here in the long term. It‘s just the lack of informations that is concerning for me. Especially given the fact, that this game used to be very complexe. It would be a miracle if there wouldn‘t be major bugs. But we will see i guess.

[@TheAuthorizedJay]

​@@rolo951No, people are angry they removed established features and added new ones just so they have something to show off.

[@Scott_M]

FM 25 will probably be like Championship Manager 4 - will have some issues and be really rough around the edges. Then FM 26 will be more polished and complete like what CM 03/04 was and will just carry on improving with each version. I’m disappointed with how the run up to this launch is going but at the same time know that, however rough FM 25 may be, it will still provide some decent gaming hours like what I got from CM 4 despite its issues.

[@duckseatbread104]

That's exactly it. CM4 was a peetty big drop off from the CM3 games and I believe the last time they switched engines. The following titles were much better - had nothing to do with adding an additional database (womens football) otherwise there would've been a decline whenever they added a new leauge in the men's game.

[@Scott_M]

@@duckseatbread104 Yeah I think there would have been some challenge with the women’s football in the game for this version - in the sense that it has to run alongside the men’s game but can’t overlap it. So obviously players can’t go from women’s teams to men’s teams and vice versa but then I’m assuming male managers will be able to go from men’s to women’s teams? But then female managers won’t be able to go from women’s to men’s teams? I’m assuming they’ve got it working as close as possible to real life and that’s why it’s taken a few years plus new engine to get it in the game.

[@Somerandomguy7623]

Instead of adding new features all the time, they need to fix all that's wrong. They have a database of stadia that is mostly blank, the language data is totally useless as there are towns in Europe where the default language is an east asian language, which means tha they become unhappy and homesick as soon as they move to a town 50km away - so many ridiculous issues

[@validicusfm2504]

'We've removed a feature that only around 5% of players used in order to focus on introducing something that fewer than 1% of players will use'

[@brothaclam]

And costing twice the time to add.

[@rbfishcs123]

Vizeh - I am absolutely gutted by what I have seen so far (or lack thereof) for FM25 and its future. One thing is absolutely apparent, they're aiming for more of the casual game base because thats where the money is. Us 'grognards' - the players who've been in the spreadsheet simulator since the early 2010s are fading out of their scopes.

[@MrM2309-w3w]

Hit the nail on the head. What made the game unique for me was the attention to detail needed, but more recent releases, and the clear direction the game has now headed towards, is resulting in a management game moving away from trying to produce as realistic a management sim as possible. I mean, now with them permanently removing shouts, there is no longer any way you can influence a game throughout the 90 minutes. it will become who has the best / broken tactic simulator. Communicating with your players is integral to man management, and i can't believe they've permanently removed it, rather than try to improve it, if they were not content with how it had functioned. So I've quit the series as FM will now only go downhill and given EA FC a try this year, and if they play their cards right they can attract FM players that aren't satisfied with the new lack of depth the game will now have. Even though it's strictly not a full out management sim, now FM no longer has depth, it's not so unique anymore. And the fact I can actually hands on make an impact on the game in EA FC by playing the match in a style that complements the roles they've introduced in the new tactical creation on FC, is actually really good. Hopefully EA continue to develop this further, because that's become my new game since FM is no longer a realistic management sim. Best decision I have made moving to EA FC this year.

[@vermilion7843]

There's no evidence of this though. They are making it console accessible, but that doesn't mean casual. I could be entirely wrong because there's no evidence either way. But all I've seen is a UI overhaul.

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

It’s a bit of a shame but was always inevitable. They’ll always go where the money is as they should.

[@NJTRAF]

@@vermilion7843 UI overhaul, plus a lot of features being removed, makes it more accessible for casual players. I’ve been playing since 1993 when it was Championship Manager, and with each new generation you usually get more added to the game, not removed! From 93 to 95 when CM2 was released there were refinements and added features, then from CM2 to CM3 in 99 there were more refinements and features, then when CM4 was introduced in 2003 there were more features, when it switched from Eidos to SEGA in 2005 and Football Manager was launched, and every iteration since, it’s been more refinements and features with each version. Now they’re seemingly removing quite a lot of core features and it feels like that is being done to appeal to the LARGE amount of people who try it and are intimidated by it

[@MrM2309-w3w]

@@vermilion7843 Well, it felt for me the significant shift was after FM23. That game was designed to be their most realistic / challenging engine. But, many players found it too hard, to the point they were not enjoying the game and refused to then play it. So follows FM24, where all you need to do is gegenpress to win with minimum effort. I took Standard Liege to a UCL quad my third season in an online game. That shouldn't really be happening. With SIs objective quite clear in looking to attract a newer and younger generation over different platforms, they can't really go in the in depth realistic direction, because it will put all those players off - hence, the changes and simplified version they are pushing forward with. Perhaps in several years time once they have secured that younger player base, they may then want the game to be more challenging - of which they may then look to go again in a direction to make the game a bit more realistic and challenging. But at this point in time, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[@Marcus_Suridius]

Ive been playing this since CM1 were you buy England as one game and Germany, Italy as a second disc. Always play international management on my main save, one manager managing a club and a second as Ireland. This release is gonna be a disaster and I can't stand the new layouts they have just to accommodate the console players.

[@bensfons]

The main thing that should worry all of us is the engine. Unity was bought by a Chinese a few years back, and after the change of management, Unity announced that they will progressively become a mobile/console focusedgame engine . So it´s a logical conclusion that FM will become more and more stream lined, menaing less and less detail, as new games come out.

[@billybob4274]

You do know they have been working on FM25 for at least 2 years now, right? I remember watching a Lollujo video the end of 2022 where he was talking about both 24 and 25, where he said there was gonna be a minor update for 24 but 25 was gonna have the new engine as well as the women's teams, which was when I decided to skip 24(f it weren't for the free 24 on Epic I wouldn't have it now). IIRC, it was also said that SI starts work on new features 2-3 years prior to implementation. So to be having these issues almost 2 years later is an issue.

[@wheelysteve]

"According to them, not many people play multiplayer", no joke, I've just very recently been talking with a friend about starting up doing an online fm career together as something we could do each year like we do with new iterations of other games. So yeah... bang goes that idea I guess.

[@cgopie1]

For the last 20 years or so, each game's update on the previous hasn't warranted me forking out the cash to buy it every year, so I buy it every 2 years instead, as the number of updates over a 2 year period make it a bit more worth it. Besides, I am more than happy to stick with my saves. So I missed out on FM24, and planned on buying FM25, but I admittedly have my concerns. Nonetheless, I probably will pre-order it, as even if I'm disappointed at some of the features that's getting removed, and the potential for a lot of bugs early on, it will still be a good game overall.

[@alexsmith6322]

@@cgopie1 DONT PRE ORDER!! PLEASE! Just wait and see.

[@morlath4767]

FM 25 reminds me of FM 13. We saw this there where the training and other things were revamped, and then had to be adjusted and reworked (again) in later FMs to be more polished.

[@manatziaras]

It's true, FM 14 was much better than his predecessors, but he stepped over FM13, which was quite...awkward as a game experience for all those trained to the FM culture...

[@morlath4767]

@@manatziaras I still remember booting up FM13 and staring at the training and tactics changers. The training was even more "try and hope" than the sliders, while almost no one felt comfortable that the non-slider tactic options would allow us to play exactly as we want.

[@da-_-mentalist5512]

It was called champions manager before fm its been around a lot longer than 2007

[@BoyNextDoorGachi]

Championship Manager

[@leedoc512]

Adding in Women's team. Gets rid of weight info.

[@avenage]

They've had 2 years of having the majority of their dev staff working on the unity version of he game, FM24 was light on new features because of this. If the game isn't ready for an open beta 2 weeks before release, it isn't unlikely to be truly fit for release on the 26th. Another 2 weeks is not going to be a difference maker in this situation and I anticipate a lot of bugs. Also, if it's effectively a year long beta, they shouldn't be charging full release prices.

[@ethanwhite2274]

I agree with delaying the game. I want a game that is complete and has no issues or bugs

[@riccardo4754]

I will self-delay it and buy FM26. Do the same 😂

[@alexsmith6322]

@@ethanwhite2274 if you want a game that is complete on release with no bugs, then don’t play any FM that has ever been released, LMAO . At this rate, don’t play any games, period

[@pasdedeux4444]

Cancel FM25 and go for FM26 - who wants to buy a few months before season end?

[@SubmachineOP]

You know, I dont think FM has been on a decline for a long time but rather improveing instead up till 24. This new fm i am nervous to see as im worried the vibe may be gone or they foxus too much on improving the womens game like eafc did. (Like how ea got like 10 new licenses for women but no new ones for mens) All i know is either this new fm is going to be a historical HIT or a miserable MISS. No in between

[@duckseatbread104]

It'll be like cm4 a new foundation that'll be inferior to the game it follows thall improve over time. It doesn't need to be one extreme or the other. FM 2005 was so much better than CM4 but it foundation/engine was that of CM4

[@lionheart3429]

@SubmachineOP yeah and I wonder how many people actually play with women's teams on eafc . Or better yet, how many women actually play fifa...

[@mathmagician155]

Well, I've played fifa since fifa 12 and as soon as they released women in fifa I made an all women ut and am going to make a career mode this fifa. But tbf, there are not many fellow female fifa players but they definitely are some. It probably seems like there isnt bc we're in the minority lol​@lionheart3429

[@lionheart3429]

@mathmagician155 let's be honest , for me personally as someone who's played football management games since like.lma manager 2000 . I have never ever ever ever met one.girl who's played management games and not even a handful who plays fifa . Let's be honest here , girls who game play other types of games .

[@mathmagician155]

@lionheart3429 that's not wrong but there are still definitely girls that play fm and fifa there just isn't many. I know a bunch of girls that have played fifa before bc I play soccer and at least in the u.s. where womens soccer is a lot more popular than other womens sports there's still a decent amount. It might be different in European countries but idk

[@tbone2646]

For me as a geriatric player, it feels similar to the change from Championship Manager 4 to Football Manager 2005 - it was a major design overhaul that didn't really hit the same, it took a few years to mature into a full fledged experience again I'm expecting lots of bugs and weird anomalies

[@alexrowe190311]

Played since 2007, it peaked in 2016 where it was still a fun ‘game’

[@timpowell2329]

Seems like they are completely ignoring their target market to try and pander to people who won't even play the game. Not sure how you can say having women's football hasn't affected the things they've had to leave out. If they had focussed thier efforts on international football instead this wouldn't have been a problem.

[@happyd9733]

💯 simple fact

[@mohamadrizal6165]

Fifa Manager 14 has better graphica than FM24. If EA want to compete, i think they will conquer.

[@ClivesChronicles]

I started playing this game in the early 90’s on an Amiga when it was called Championship Manager. Then the intro of CM Italia which was brilliant. Serie A with Platt and Gascoigne and the great Dutch Players at Milan. Now with FM 2025 we’re having women’s football pushed down our throats (at the cost of the international game, I’ve zero interest in the women’s game) with the woke agenda, they’ve even changed the cover page to the colour pink. I’m seriously over it. It’s the same as the BBC sports webpage, I click on a news story for a player I’ve never heard of being signed at a Premier League club only to realise it’s women’s football. I’m all for diversity and I’m not homophobic, yet this is starting to become a right pain.

[@rosssloman1309]

I had the 1995/96 Euro leagues version of Champ Man. Won 9 in a row with Juventus. A player called Gabrielle Grossi got an average of over 9/10 in a 40 odd match season. Golden days.

[@info0]

Those guys are never happy. I for one am very happy. They are moving to new engine which is the first time since forever. Yes, the game will be lacking features at start, probably to be added later on. It was always the case for those games. Would I want them to skip this year and release next year? Yes, but that's annual title. One thing I am certain off is Miles and co. delivering the goods. I have been with Sports Interactive and Championship Manager from CM3 onwards with CM01/02 being one of my all time favorite games. I at least have confidence in them. Unlike other companies it's the game I am looking forward to getting.

[@Vizeh]

The new Engine is a massive step in a much needed direction. I do feel like it's a massive challenge considering how detailed FM as a game typically is. I can see this one being seen as somewhat of a test game in itself and FM26 may be the most 1.0 type of game

[@info0]

@@Vizeh yeah it was similar to when CM4 was released and I hated it with passion at that time. It was lacking. Like I wrote, it's something they do. You're right though. Porting everything to new engine is definitely a hassle and they mentioned it on their blog that they had trouble with some stuff, so they are not going to be in this year (International Management is out). There are things I liked to see though, new interface looks really well and uncluttered compared to what we have now. We shall see what we get when we get it ;). Fm25 might be testing the waters and getting LOTS of feedback from fans :)

[@quaviia]

I think the problem most people have is that we’ve been told so many things are being removed that people essentially loved and didn’t want removed, we were looking forward to trailer that could possibly reduce some of our concerns and it didn’t show anything and they are still making us pay £40 for the game without virtually not knowing anything about the game

[@Jur1_00]

​@@quaviiaif I'm being honest I think most people are complaining because they just want to complain. I would love to see how these people have played the game for like 5 years and see if it's congruent with what they are complaining about. But one thing that's undeniable is that it's not looking good at the moment.

[@info0]

@@quaviia that's internet life for you. Back in the days you wouldn't have trailers and stuff and you never knew what were you getting. only could deduce from press reviews. Those were fun days. Now we are just spoiled. Football Manager needed to move to new engine. They couldn't push that old one anymore, especially in physics calculations while in games. I believe that new engine will solve some apparent issues the game had in gameplay too (like hitting bar/post 20x in a match, better player animations, adding more realistic dribble moves, making the game more alive?). Doing what they are doing is a tremendous task at hand and they started it 2 years ago if I recall. Management games are great, because you can skip them for a year and I believe there will be beta/demo coming out before the game full release, so you can always decide whether to buy the game or not. FM24 will still be getting community updates if FM25 is not up to par. That's what makes this game great. It's it community ;).

[@Espeo]

Honestly, I don't even really care too much about how the game is, I'll probably still buy it anyway. My only annoyance is the international management being taken out because I actually like working from being unemployed, going to club and then eventually working my way up to being a national team manager. I just hope when it gets put back in in fm26 it's actually worth the wait

[@hyperbolicaltimechamber6]

7:44 for decades anybody was hungy for women's football in FM.Its is the most important add to FM ever. Women's football is the reason why i was playing FM all the years. My prayers were heard. I love you FootballManagerWomanGod

[@dimigaro6878]

FM is definitely not in trouble. It's been thriving in the past years and this year it's making a huge leap to a new engine. There is an eagerness to create discontent in this community but... nah. It's gonna be fine

[@Lucas52137]

I never really got into FM, because of the UI being intimidating, I wouldn't mind them making it more apporachable, if that's the case

[@PaperbackDreamsMusic]

There are so many things happening all at once in FM, and so many little things that you can control, it's almost impossible to make the interface less daunting. The FM interface has to make room for all the features which cannot possibly be fit into one screen without making it look like a workspace simulator

[@Jethwright]

For those wanting to start out, I've always recommended the console and Touch editions which streamline the game for those that might find it a bit daunting Obviously, they're not as feature rich, but they can be a good starting point

[@iandavis8725]

Championship manager in the late 90’s was when I started playing it. Great game back then.

[@TimLemonn]

Will be interested to hear the stats on how many people actually play a women’s football save in FM25

[@viperswhip]

Make two UIs, one for the console and one for the PC. Star Trek Online did this, as a PC player I was so worried when they were going to put it on console, but they just made a new UI for them, and we still have a PC oriented one.

[@openjaws]

Update, it’s now pushed to march 2025

[@warrenfrost7001]

I liked the old more simple games , can’t be arsed with all the extra tactics and training and background stuff just let me scout those young gems and build my team

[@jamiebaldwin5451]

It reminds me of when they were adding the 2d match engine Championship Manager 4 didn't come out until right at end of season as it kept getting delayed. It became the best selling game of series, they then released Championship Manager 03/04 before they had their breakup with Eidos and created Football Manager 05.

[@GTK-1]

Bro you’ve just done OG championship manager and similar titles at that time a huge disrespect.

[@AntisthenesOfAthenai]

As long as they only apply the new engine aspects to the in-game graphics, I don't feel that we have that much to worry about. The minimum requirements are still really low, so I'm guessing that they didn't do a complete overhaul. Also, as long as the off-field stuff is pretty much the same, we're still going to love it. I may be very wrong, but looking at the specs, I really don't see a huge change coming. Pretiumque et Causa Laboris from the US, my fellow Burnley supporter (yes, there's at least one of us in the US 😂)

[@OpenDoorEnglish]

It's been arpund since about 1992. My first CM game was 95/96.

[@StretfordEndGaz]

2007..... behave, i been playing since 1995 so 30yrs this season, and ive owned every single with cm2 -0 champ manager the previous name for footbnall manager

[@ace-um5sp]

14:24 that's actually a really good idea

[@ClivesChronicles]

Best thing that he said in the entire video.

[@Brendan-p4k]

Rookie champ manager came out in the 90s. Ian rush, Nigel spinks and Maradona were in it.

[@funkerman7]

No inbox is an absolute disaster move

[@edi0157]

Wow, Vizeh, I didnt know you play FM that much, maybe do an FM series on the channel now that you have fallen out of love with FIFA? I have recently started playing FM coming from FIFA myself, did a short FM23 career and now got FM24 when it was free, it s been an absolute rollercoaster and I intend to stick with it for a while. The problem with FM 25 isn’t necessarily the new direction as for now it seems to be just a reskin (though chasing the “wider audience” tends to mean making things worse for your core audience and it will take an adjustment period. I wonder if you can mod the new system to make it look like the old one, probably not), the same amount of detail is still there but that they clearly have underestimated the amount of work the new engine is going to take and they are now most likely going to deliver a bug-filled game since they have to get it out. I mean, they have so little faith in the game that they still haven’t shown us much of anything. The game is due to be released in 2 months. They are announcing more of what gets cut than what’s actually in the game, no one is going to get hyped for that. At least they are transparent unlike EA that would cut things WITHOUT telling us, but still. It smells like a vintage Paradox release and trust me, that s not a good thing. Miles is crying that he has to miss conferences in order to get the game done. Christ above mate, you have Zoom, I honestly don’t give a damn, just tell me what state the game is in. No, it s not women s football that is the issue (except that for some reason they are removing player weights because of it, which doesn’t really matter but it is weird), it s the fact that they are constantly announcing what is cut from the game and not showing us anything new. They waited like a month to give us….a roadmap of when they will be announcing something. Lads, you are not GTA, people will not fawn over every little crumb. International management is barebones, yes (no talking to your players, no training, AI managers don’t rest their players etc), that s why people aren’t playing it but the solution is making it BETTER, not binning it. They said they will for FM 26. Hopefully they will. Idk, this might come across as too aggressive as I do really like the game, I wouldn’t have even thought it is possible if it hadn’t existed already but I do think that there will be important bugs at launch and they will have to work hard to fix them which will delay people s saves etc. so I will just stick to my 24 save for now, they should have probably just taken the year off but they probably need the money. Hell, in my current 24 save I started in Romania and I discovered that the Romanian cup is wrong even now, you play random teams in the group stage rather than the ones in your group the way you are supposed to. Hope that our fears are unfounded and the game turns out fine but it really doesn’t look like it. The engine is dated but fine, I can tell what is going just fine with the current one as well but yeah, really not 2024 standard by any means. Speaking of getting into the game, what most puzzled me at the start is that start screen with loading leagues, I had to do tests myself to understand what “2 star game speed” means nevermind usual stuff like a lot of info thrown at once (I have played Paradox games too so I am used to that), no overall rating for players etc

[@monkeymanbob]

I was playing Football Manager games since the days of the ZX Spectrum - obviously they evolved year on year and the release of Domark's Championship Manager (which became the FM we all know now) was huge fun - but the now they're too dry, takes 3 weeks to get ready for a match.

[@verycasul]

why a lot of FM creator are glazing SI mistakes. If a new product advertised actually got featurs removed, of course people would get mad. For players from non Top FIFA country, NT manager is a way for us to achieve something with our country.

[@TheAuthorizedJay]

I always thought it was weird they do yearly releases of FM now anyways when they and/or the community can easily update the latest game with current transfers.

[@terriblegamerdotexe1527]

It’s good that they pushed back the release date to march to get rid of bugs and make sure that everything is in the geme

[@bbar182]

The problem is there is a lack of competition. So therefore SI have had monopoly over the years and kept recycling the garbage every year.

[@jamesmcdevitt5327]

This is how the first one started lack of features then save the rest for the year after year : they have a 20 year game to get through

[@drezicollinz_]

removing match shouts is stupid imo I use it every time. social media also made it funnier. it's actually annoying there removing the little things that makes the game better.

[@supocarta74]

Dude I was playering football manager games on my spectrum in the eighties 😂😂😂

[@Bfg12327]

I stopped playing the game after it got too complicated, I’d just repeat team talks and constantly be getting pissed off at players wanting to leave or being unhappy with their contracts/interests from other clubs. If I delegated these tasks, the team would just fall apart, or be pissed off with my assistant for fining somebody and killing team morale I’m an old man. I’m doing this in my limited free time and I just want to enjoy the bloody game, not fight imaginary battles with imaginary egos.

[@Atumboapinta]

FootBall Manager not in my country :( Pele Law be dammned! (it's a very good one tho, but damn no company would go through the pain to talk with each individual player for their images rights [i guess that's whats called in english dunno sry!)

[@Vizeh]

That's crazy I never knew that was even possible?

[@Atumboapinta]

@@Vizeh Yes, although teams can be licensed normally, each Brazilian FIFA team has its season kits, but players?! No, you talk to them individually or it's none of your business. The "Lei Pelé 9.615/98" came to guarantee the rights of players, kinda like an update to the former "Lei Zico"

[@theegamerdotcom]

When FM is having a massive overhaul. You would think they would have a massive promotion and fanfare on this. Making it a massive release with so much to show off. But it has been a release where they expect people to basically purchase a car, but know nothing at all about it until they receive it. I have always had my reservations over SI over the years anyway. Especially the issue there was over changing from Championship Manager to Football Manager name, and the whole Eidos and Sega thing. However, when there is a massive chance to have a massive promotion over a massive change like their planning, it is a complete anti-climatic occurrence of a release for a game. I have loved this series of game since the very first game of it, and now it just really seems like their milking it rather than loving it with passion like its fans.

[@lennyrussell8954]

At the end of the day the consumer will decide and the beauty of the series is you do not have to buy the latest one. The game can be played in hundreds of ways and it's up to person buying it which path they take.

[@GioMarron]

Dates WAAAAAAY off there The game that would eventually become Football Manager Although I didn’t pick up the first iteration of Championship Manager was then called, I certainly picked up the follow-up: Championship Manager - which was a genius move by brothers Paul and Oliver Collyer as following an absolute eruption of football games after Italia 90, which drew masses of attention to Serie A and an absolute plethora of the worlds top players at the worlds top clubs, which included Channel 4’s live coverage of a Sunday Serie A match plus a Saturday morning preview and a Sunday evening review of all the games. Combined, Championship Manager absolutely blew up. It was a perfect storm of coming together. In 2003, Sports Interactive and Eidos went their seperate ways. SI kept a hold of the database and match engine, using both to release Football Manager (same name as my first ever football manager game on the Commodore 64, and publishers Eidos brought in Beautiful Game Studios to create Champiinship Manager. It done ok for a while before falling behind and disappearing until it was brought back in 2010 or 2011. Square Enix Europe, owners of the brand after purchasing Eidos, revived Championship Manager under the title of Champ Man in 2013.

[@NCG92]

The early access has nothing to do with bug fixes. They just want easy money from players that pre order the games already finished if they off you early access. Yes it can help in finding bugs but that isn't the reason for game company allowing early access. But you are right this year will most likely be a paid beta to test new features but they should either skip thia year until its actually finished or just skip it completely and make 26 even better but we know they won't do that

[@theradioattheendoftheworld4251]

I had a bad feeling when all the news was about stuff getting left out and NOTHING about the game engine

[@FCSprinty]

Crazy how a game which takes 9 hours to do one in game task is this big but you know it's better than the pocket digging ultimate team stuff EA put out

[@Vizeh]

Bro if it takes you 9 hours to do one thing in FM then you're doing something wrong hahaha

[@throwbacksfather6625]

what takes 9 hours

[@Cursedpeopleakajuice]

​@@Vizehui is very intimidating mate I think these spreadsheet type game is not for me alas

[@sounderhehe]

​@throwbacksfather6625 If u manage a team with old men and massive wages like man united, it could take over ten

[@throwbacksfather6625]

@@sounderhehe obviously the first day of a save takes time to setup but it shouldn't be like that every time you play

[@stevechapman2301]

Getting rid of multiplayer, international etc will end up losing the niche player base

[@trapezium1998]

I get that everyone has concerns, myself included. It's a worrying lead up to the game release compared to all titles previously, however we haven't really been given much to go off. I'm still optimistic about the release and will definitley be buying in to try. It's one of the biggest changes to FM to date, it could either be terrible or really good, as a long time player, I'll take my chances.

[@aclockworkcranberry]

I haven’t bought it for years. I went back and played FM 2005 and 09 and they were superior in design aesthetic and they felt better. The flaw in their game design is the CA and PA aspects, you can’t really get players like Michu at Swansea who blossom later in their careers because these two mechanisms aren’t fluid enough. It feels too regimental, too stiff and not like real football. It’s good fun, it’s as close as you can get to feeling like a football manager and living in a ‘snow globe’ like sandbox world of football and I love it for that… BUT they need to sit down and rethink everything because they’ve been pumping out game after game that’s quite similar for years.

[@dulcettonezzz8229]

Championship Manager 01/02 and 02/03 were always better than the FM games anyway. Just get the updates for these

[@RobAdam1984]

If you're paying full retail for this, you should seek help immediately. Obviously this version will be somewhat playable in about 9 tot 10 months. It has trainwreck written all over it.

[@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew]

Fm is ridiculous now days i used to love it back in the day but you actually need your coaching badges to navigate it

[@balisracing4378]

The one thing I would like is to make a football manager collection from EA sports where you could buy and play all past football managers with their year database and the choise to switch to whatever year's database you would like, for example fm07 with 25 database and fm25 with 07 database etc this would be fantastic!!!! this would make older fans to play the game again and again with older more simple menu and skins, it would be a dream come true, EA if you listen to me it would be the marvel of the marvels.

[@dapablo2]

Women and men's football are different sports, the physical dynamics will be completely different therefore we have two different games being produced at the same time. DEI is making everyone mad,

[@jayjones616]

The best women footballer still should not have any attributes over 7

[@freddie_mvp]

Let’s face it, Sports Interactive are crap at developing in comparison to the elite.

[@RonanMcn]

Ive always played fifa career mode and always tried to get into fm but never could

[@devanman7920]

FM got so complicated it just isnt fun now

[@Cursedpeopleakajuice]

​@@devanman7920 true too much thing with very intimidating ui

[@shen_baba]

I feel bad for you

[@throwbacksfather6625]

@@devanman7920 its not complicated and a lot of things can be easily explained inna youtube video. fm will always be better than CM i dont care what anybody says

[@olliepriddey1161]

I think with me, I got bored by the amount of time it takes to get to matches and all that extra detail. I do/have played Football Manager since FM6. At the time I was still playing Championship Manager 97/98, but switched to FM. After playing hundreds of hours, I decided to try Championship Manager 01/02 and it feels better as it only takes just over an hour to do a season. The team management side on Football Manager is really long winded and it has amazing detail, but getting from match to match is like 10-15 minute intervals, constantly pressing 'CONTINUE'. CM97/98 after MANY years of playing it on/off from 1998-2022, it had been a fond memory, but lacked a few advancements that I like in the Football Manager series, but wanted an in-between/upgrade to the interface and so a year on from CM97/98 and Football Manager 2018-19, I'd found what I was looking for. Forget Championship Manager 3, that game is a mistake, lol.

[@nas84payne]

The fact they didn’t show anything of the game in the announcement trailer is a massive red flag. It has the feel of a rushed game.

[@darrylhewes2376]

Personally the stuff they have removed I rarely play. I appreciate that Sport interactive have delayed the release and there open approach to the issues they have come across. Been playing sports interactive football manager games since it's championship manager days that was released on the Atari and Amega. I can overlook this hiccup if indeed it is that because every year the game gets better without fail even though each game in isolation has had some issues.

[@NoLuckJKMY807]

I knew you were gonna upload a video about FM25! Anyways, I think I'll stick with FM24 until FM26 arrives next year. Though I might change my mind if the reviews for FM25 is good enough.

[@ladislaufazakas8980]

The truth FM develops slowly, every year 2-3 features appear as if only one person were working on the game, it would be better to release an edition only once every 2 years to be worth it for the players.

[@sounderhehe]

Please make a video on the officiating on the ac milan vs. bayer leverkusen, and all the fouls that were not called.

[@poppyharlow4448]

FM was the reason I knew Endrick, Roque, Yamal and a bunch of others were gonna be top players before the media started talking about them

[@brendanwessling4702]

Honestly I have tried many times to have a go at FM and yes the spreadsheet layout overload is very overwhelming. Maybe if it was a more simplified version then I would embrace it

[@freakindamnshiki]

removing international management and advertising woman's football is indeed a take, i mean, i like to end my carreer at the national team, i think it fits te progress of a manager career... why can't we have both things? just add womans football and woman's national teams

[@HonestTom1892]

Still better than EA.

[@Vizeh]

That's like saying a Cheese Sandwich is better than a Cheese Sandwich that's been pissed on

[@HonestTom1892]

@@Vizeh True bro 😂

[@LiftandCoa]

Thats a very low bar

[@darrenabela2796]

First manager game for me was sir Alex ferguson championship manager 2001 on the ps2 :) good memories. If fm25 does not become a success there is fm24 that can be utilised until they master the new engine, no issues.

[@Holyhesk]

They should sort out the realism. 2017 was the last time I played. I was getting results like 7-4, 6-3, 5-4. This doesn't happen in real life It's like 2-0, 1-0, 3-1. I had a striker who scored 55 goals in 38 games. This doesn't happen in real life. I remember another match where there were 4 penalties in a single match. It's been broken for years and it seems like they are more interested in introducing womens football and removing International Management. I also took AFC Telford from non league to League 1. Won league 2 and my players were the lowest paid in the whole league. The game is coded so no matter how crap your team is you will still be there for promotion. Instead of bringing in womens football bring in the lower tiers of English Football instead. I guarantee people would love this more.

[@andyh4747]

Pisstake Interactive. I wish theyd just fix the stupid bugs and release the game nearer the start of the seaaon. Shame there's no rival game to kick them off the top spot.

[@nickaggelakis3488]

And now it’s pushed back to March😂😂