For Honor - Rep 70 Lawbringer Duels - Intense Duels with a hero reddit ruined

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

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[@flashbacka1122]

lawbringer is in fact ruined

[@Sir_ShadowZ__]

I say the devs who didnt listen to what people asked for Lawbringer ruined him but reddit is a part of it.

[@brothatscrazy3418]

It really is sad how absolutely trash LB is now. They gutted all of his debsife capabilities and gave him a trash UB "infinite chain". If it was truly strong then Cobw and Pirate would be meta in duels and they are from from that. Here are my ideas for changes to LB -Increase starting side heavies from 20 to 22 damage -Increase starting top heavy damage from 20 to 25 -Add HA to starting side heavies starting at 500ms -Chain top heavy loses HA but gains Undodgeable property(makes his mid chain bash mix up stronger) -Finisher top UB sped up from 966ms to 866ms(makes his top UB actually useful compared to his side UB and should make his soft feint GB beat dodge attacks/bashes) -When forward dodge bash is whiffed you can follow up with a chain heavy(many characters can follow up their forward dodge bash with a heavy or light) -Decrease Swift Justice Finisher from 4 to 2 damage -Decrease Swift Justice Finisher stamina cost from 6 to 2 -Add a L - L chain -Add a roll catcher -Add I-frames to side dodge bash(comparable to Shugo side dodge headbutt)

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

I think many of the changes you suggest aren't even needed. Roll catcher yes, better dodge bash yes I agree, but he most certainly needs a better light mixup. Light into bash, light into light into heavy would be perfect. I do also think they should have kept impale on heavy parry. But allow it to guarantee a light reposte on wallsplat and lead into his unblockable. Change damage values to be around 17 or so. I feel like now, law has less options for being a counter attacking character. Another character reddit has ruined because they though lawbringer before needed major changes and major buffs. When in reality he was a top duelist.

[@brothatscrazy3418]

@@Lion_of_Sparta My changes are made in mind for Dom, not duels as the devs are focused on 4s/team fights when balancing characters but these changes would also help him in Duels. As it stands now LB is pretty much a joke in both game modes at most levels and the changes I suggested would help him to actually be able to stand with the more meta characters while still not being oppressive, IMO.

[@brothatscrazy3418]

@@Lion_of_Sparta Also trying to have a viable counter attacker in the current game would just not work well. They've continued to go out of to nerf the effectiveness of defense and don't want players to play defensively either. The character just does not fit their current dev philosophy. And its why I think the character does need to be changed at a fundamental level. BTW for clarity, this is someone who was one of the earlies rep 30 LBs on console and even played the character in tourneys for the first 3 years of the games life span. But took a break for 4 years but have kept up to date on all the changes that happen and watch FH content regularly. I have always loved the character but if you compare him to any of the characters with modern movesets you can see the massive disparity in design philosophy.

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

@brothatscrazy3418 your changes aren't needed for 4v4. That's what I'm saying. Balancing this game for 1v1 is a stupid idea because 1v1 isn't the core balancing game mode. Your changes are far too much for him. The character itself really doesn't need that much to be good. He just needs extra tweaks. The changes I propose won't really do much for him in 1v1 besides the impale. The dodge bash can be delayed by a good extent to actually dodge a variety of attacks. He will need a lot more changes to be viable in 1s. You have made the argument of playing in tourneys. But so have I and even now I'm playing against pro players in MM. They have even stated that lawbringer in itself doesn't need that much more changes. A defensive character in the current meta may not be rewarding but I'm not suggesting to make him a defensive character. I'm suggesting to give him more counter attacking options. His blind justice won't be very viable in 4v4s. Yeh his make way is pretty good in 4v4s but the move in itself leads to attacks which many are finding more and more reactable. Lawbringer is a struggling hero and he needs some tweaks and slight adjustments to really bring him up. He doesn't have to be meta or OP. Just be good enough to stand his own. Unfortunately at this rate, with how badly for honor balancing is going. We may end up seeing nerfs for law

[@brothatscrazy3418]

@@Lion_of_Sparta I brought up the tourney stuff cause I use to be relatively good, nothing crazy though. Unfortunately super washed now but looking forward to trying to get back into the comp scene. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on what would make him better in 4s then. Because, personally anyways, I find that its extremely easy to shut LB down(outside using Jugg but its banned in comp) and LB has a hard time actually staying with most fights due to the prevalence of dodge cancel recoveries.

[@TheNeva31]

The fact as a fellow lawbringer main and i did not see no triple light parry punish kinda tips me off.

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

Im sorry? A triple light parry punish? Law can't do 3 lights in a row

[@TheNeva31]

@@Lion_of_Sparta when you parry a heavy you can do two heavys and an extra light which Is a triple punish for a heavy parry.

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

@TheNeva31 the fact as a fellow lawbringer main you don't know the correct punishes. Kinda tips me off too. Parry max oos punish for law isn't heavy heavy light. That is the max gb oos punish for lawbringer. The max Parry oos punish for law is light into top heavy into side light. Or you can chain to unblockable to provide another 50/50.

[@TheNeva31]

@@Lion_of_Sparta the 50/50 for you is like 20/80 in their favor unless they're dumb, I can't tell you how many times that third light in a in stamina heavy parry punish saved my life.

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

@TheNeva31 no it's not in their favour at all. You land a second heavy. It can go into an unblockable mixup. Idk how this becomes a 20/80 in their favour..when they can't Interrupt. The light finisher is fine but it will put you in frame disadvantage as you hit them on wake up.

[@Sir_ShadowZ__]

Funny how the rework was so garabge the optimal way to play him is by pretending there wasnt one.

[@federicobellavista634]

Is it me or it feels incredibly underwhelming? Like, what is this supposed "rework"? It's trash, that's what it is... Btw, returning Lawbringer main here. What are the new max punishes on heavy parry, light parry, oos parry and oos guardbreak?

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

Yeh the new rework is so. Weird idk how to put it tbh. So for heavy parry. You can either do light which goes into unblockable or your zone attack which does more damage but is first attack in chain. (Impale no longer guaranteed) Light parry is blind justice as usual or impale into wall. Blind justice is preferably better in most cases. As of now, max oos parry is delayed light, top heavy, into light. Try not to press light to early otherwise u will do light reposted and not drop the enemy. Oos gb throw is same side heavy, heavy, light. You can go into your unblockable after the second heavy to create another mixup. This would be better if the enemy still has a lot of HP.

[@federicobellavista634]

@@Lion_of_Sparta understood. Thanks for the info.

[@federicobellavista634]

@@Lion_of_Sparta Btw, now LB has basically two useless moves. The Burger Flipper, as I like to call it, and now the Shishkebab. Ubi really likes to put unusable moves in LB's moveset

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

@@federicobellavista634 lmao which one is the shishkebab

[@federicobellavista634]

@@Lion_of_Sparta the Impale. Now you might as well roast beef on your fucking halberd tip

[@TastyAzWhole]

This video is 15 minutes of just unblockable 50/50

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

Tell me what else lawbringer can do that can put players in a intense mixup. Cuz the unblockable 50/50 maybe his strongest.

[@brothatscrazy3418]

@@Lion_of_Sparta Its not even a true 50/50 lol, LB has less options than the opponent your facing lol

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

@@brothatscrazy3418 I do agree with you. It isn't a true 50/50, but this person's mindset we have to say 50/50. Players nowadays don't understand what true 50/50s are anymore.

[@brothatscrazy3418]

@@Lion_of_Sparta Very fair

[@Brumlock]

Hey wanna play together sometime in duels?

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

I stream almost daily on my twitch. That's where I play with viewers and so. Hop into that and we can play sometime

[@Brumlock]

@@Lion_of_Sparta sure thing man

[@patcharaponroongroj5128]

I wonder how is he ruined, he seems ok

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

Reddit asked for reworks and buffs on a character that didn't really need that much of a rework. Now lawbringer doesn't feel unique, doesn't feel satisfying and doesn't feel like the counter attack he's meant to be. Many law mains now will admit to you. He isn't as fun anymore :(

[@patcharaponroongroj5128]

@@Lion_of_Sparta Honesty, Lawbringer is never a fun character to begin with, I guess there’re probably some rare moments here and there where he shine, However, I don’t think he’s that fun he’s simply better, I dunno I might be delusional simply talking about “ Having fun” in For Honor 😂

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

@@patcharaponroongroj5128 na man cmon. Lawbringer was very fun, a powerhouse defensive character with strong counter attacking options. Now he's just meh. Calling him better is definitely dependant on gamemode. In 4v4, Lawbringer is definitely better. In 1v1, he is a lot worse.

[@spoopyq3253]

@@Lion_of_SpartaAgreed. I was hoping they wouldn’t eventually strip his uniqueness but of course😭😭

[@Lion_of_Sparta]

@@spoopyq3253 reddit clowns always get their way😔