Forbidden Planet - Renegade Cut

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[@SleepyHeather]

The fact that this film is almost 70 years old and its story, ideas and special effects still holds up, is a testament to how important it is

[@ZoolGatekeeper]

The first time I saw this was in the late 80's. I was in awe with the great special FX, even after three Star Wars films. And I read science fiction all the time.. And I think this is really great early SF.

[@petercampbell8694]

BEST SCI-FI movie ever made! 👍👍👍👏👏👏👏

[@petercampbell8694]

AND it’s a slow-burn movie that pays off at the end!

[@christopherthorkon3997]

The special effects are gorgeous.

[@cletola9675]

i saw this as a child and loved it.. as an adult i still love it..

[@tungsten02]

In short. this movie uncovers the reality that the further we push technology, the closer we come to releasing the monster we all hide from each other. Just look at social media today and the things we say to each other while anonymous. Just imagine what we would do to each other if our deep thoughts were to manifest uncontrolled. This movie was a very important warning to the future

[@bryanpalmer9660]

Interesting comment-something to think about!

[@timstill152]

That's very true. But it's also happening. It's like two worlds colliding.

[@somed214]

This movie is amazingly beautiful for a 50s movie, let alone a scifi flick of the era.

[@x.y.8581]

Makes you wonder if anyone has

[@JoseyWales44s]

For a 50's movie?

[@vegasailor1309]

Forbidden planet was one of the first time a Sci Fi film was taken seriously and actually given a budget, instead of a cheap B film

[@hannothephoenician633]

Its superior to any Science Fiction movie since then, except for 2001.

[@prilljazzatlanta5070]

@@JoseyWales44s either hasnt seen many movies or doesnt own a good tv/blu rays/4k

[@MrEjidorie]

I cannot believe that this movie was produced in 1956 when I was just born. Though 64 years have passed since then, but its special effects technology is so impressive even by today`s standard.

[@alexbristol4413]

Wow, that "self conscious" monster looks amazing! I would absolutely LOVE to see something like that in a modern movie, it looks so unique and interesting!

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

Kinda looks and moves lik the Tasmanian devil in bugs bunny hehe

[@New-tu3mn]

Is a monster of the SUB-conscious. The Great Machine is bringing the monster to life from the nightmares and destructive thoughts of the sub-conscious mind. Which the Krell weren’t even aware they still possessed. Although the Krell were too highly ethical and moral to consciously think destructive thoughts, the Great Machine made no such distinction between the conscious thought and the sub-conscious when turning thoughts in to physical reality.

[@jeffsmith2022]

Quality work stands the test of time as evidenced by the film Forbidden Planet...

[@joeboxter3635]

I try to imagine a remake today. I see little room for improvement through modern movie technology.

[@bradleycalvert8630]

As an interesting side fact: Apparently Gene Roddenberry was heavily inspired by Forbidden Planet in the same degree that George Lucas was inspired by Flash Gordon.

[@joeblaster8770]

I can see it.

[@tychoclavius4818]

GRRM too

[@neilsimpson79]

Think that's where he got 1701 from

[@irvingnerdbaum7256]

@@neilsimpson79 Actually, I think it came from Matt Jefferies, the designer of the Enterprise, as did the NCC designation from the NC numbers on American private airplanes. Mr. Jefferies was a private pilot. NCC is supposed to stand for Naval Construction Contract. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[@neilsimpson79]

@@irvingnerdbaum7256 Must just be a coincidence, pretty sure they say 17:01 as the time they will arrive at the planet.

[@grandudetonesnob7107]

David Lynch undoubtedly learned his craft of creating an unsettling background wash of white noise from this movie, especially in Eraserhead.

[@jeffsmith2022]

It is an 'outstanding' sci fi film, right there with 'The Day the Earth Stood Still, 'War of The Worlds' and 'The Thing'...

[@dannyblob1578]

so many ideas born from this movie...watch the 60's series Lost in Space "danger Will Robinson", Star Wars, Star Trek even Alien, its all there!

[@KutWrite]

The Lost in Space robot was designed by the same man who designed Robby. Robby even appeared in a Lost in Space episode.

[@alec2726]

Walter Pidgeon, a great actor and was brilliant in the the movie as Morpheus and what about Leslie Nielsen, who transformed himself into a really good comedy actor. Anne Francis was under 18 when she started filming but turned out a brilliant, professional actress by the end of filming. One of my favourites.

[@bigronnie9629]

This has always been one of my favorite classic Sci Fi films. Great breakdown as always.

[@captnodge]

Clever special effects. Especially the melting door .as a kid I found that frightening but Awsome

[@briancenti5423]

loved this movie. way ahead of it's time.

[@Declare57]

I have never figured out why they run up to within the monsters reach! Even as a kid, 60 years ago!

[@fuzzblightyear145]

I guess he thought he had plot armour ;-)

[@mikegrossberg8624]

It's called "battle madness", an excess of adrenalin fueling the "fight or flight" impulse. It's the same reason why WW II soldiers, when there was no other option, charged at machine gun armed pillboxes, attempting to throw demolition charges into them

[@New-tu3mn]

Those long expository dialog laden sequences are a good part of what makes the story and film great sci-fi. They help viewers to imagine that the Krell really did once exist, and that they had attained a level of technological development which not only was far beyond that of human civilization 200 years in our future, but also had attained that development many millennia ago.

[@miker6452]

Wonderful commentary, very insightful description of this film, the inspiration to Star Trek, Space 1999, and all the sci-fi that came after. They all owe a debt to this film, a decade ahead of its time.

[@bb1111116]

The video essay points out many important things in this film. The final conclusion about the flaws of biology which are contained within any advanced, higher intelligent, living being is sobering. It is a message which science fiction can give which is pessimistic to its core. A warning for the hubris of technical/cultural achievement of civilization. The question is; are we doomed? An answer can be found from this film and it gives the reasons why. * Another important part of Forbidden Planet is its pivotal place in the history of TV space travel science fiction. Once The Twilight Zone was done, Star Trek became the dominant formula for space travel TV SF. Star Trek owes a lot to Forbidden Planet; the concept of the romantic captain, the crew that deals with a problem on a planet, the meeting of a beautiful woman and also dealing with a cunning antagonist; the expendable crew member, the comic relief moments. These are all in Forbidden Planet and they became the staples of the Star Trek franchise, Stargate, with variations in Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica and so on to this day.

[@patrickperry6945]

All of that is because everything (or most, anyway) is formulaic. Hollywood studios have no imagination anymore.

[@Doandl854]

Great comments

[@bosunhiggs9708]

Robbie may not have been the only Krell techology that got away. Morbius had known that he would not live long enough to complete his work on the Krell records. So he needed an academic heir. Altaira must have been exposed to the "plastic educator" because she "saw" the Id monster attack on the C-57D as it was happening. She had a "nightmare" because she was linked to the machine, just as Morbius was. I wonder what knowledge she might have brought back to Earth...

[@KutWrite]

Good points, Bos'n! I see your thumbnail and half your name is also from this film. Are you also a Quantum Mechanic?

[@x.y.8581]

Doubtful - Altaira actually was quite fearful and resentful of the Krell technology as she eventually saw what it was doing to her father as well as suspicions she may have had concerning the Bellerophon tragedy. This is mentioned in the novel. Logically, I would think Adams would have taken everything they could from the Krell lab and Morbius' study related to the Krell's technology - Morbius must had had notes, records, and other artifacts of the Krell.

[@isaackellogg3493]

In a version I watched back in the eighties (which has since been Mandela Effected away) Morbius showed the Captain and Doctor how he could make a hologram of Altaira using the brain machine, and claimed that after using the advanced setting (which fried the doctor’s brain) he had created a solid Altaira from his brain-they had met her. So that Altaira was actually a piece of (at least secondhand) Krell technology. So far as I know, no trace of this (now parallel universe) version remains.

[@chrismacintrye4824]

This is still one of the best movies ever made one of my favorites

[@AlyxxTheRat]

One of my favourite 50's sci-fi movies. It's dated, sure, but it has a lot of good messages. And the effects still look impressive.

[@felixcat4346]

This movie scared the bijesus out of me when I was a kid. The worst was "Invaders from Mars".

[@ReadTheShrill]

Forbidden Planet exemplifies what I like most about Science Fiction: Sci Fi allows us to explore philosophical themes that simply wouldn't be possible in other genres.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"Sorry, Mis, I was giving myself an oil job." . . . Is that some kind of innuendo? I'm not very good at recognizing this stuff, but that's what it sounds like to me.

[@KutWrite]

Of COURSE!

[@timothymoyer2201]

It's always a good line. Ha Ha.

[@stevenbrinkworth7294]

I watched this film as a child and it terrified me. I love this film.

[@pnocella]

Yes, granted that Forbidden Planet has much expository dialogue, but that's because It also has many interesting ideas! One could only wish that the dialogue/ideas of Star Wars, and other more current films would rise above above a junior high school level. It seems that the more progressive the film technology, the more regressive the concepts and emotions presented. Mature reflection is replaced by jumping up & down, explosions, etc.Though not a new idea, it's good to remember that Star Wars, at its core, is medieval knights/swords/sorcery transferred to outer space. At least Forbidden Planet, despite it flaws, tried to approach the future in a more honest, questioning, and probing manner. Hence its influence on future film makers.

[@roycastanon5754]

This movie holds up well

[@spreadeagled5654]

I love that young Anne Francis! 💕💋

[@MaraRhodus]

A Forbidden Planet Renegade Cut? Surely, you can't be serious... Edit: I'll see myself out.

[@agentblackacid]

XD

[@gerry5134]

I am serious and don't call me surely !! 🤣😂

[@WimGrundy]

Excellent summarizing and beautiful imagery. This is indeed what KZbin is all about.

[@64davrecon]

I remember the first time seeing this movie as a kid. It was at a weekly sci-fi movie screening series downtown. One of the scariest movies I'd seen at the time. A true classic.

[@timtheskeptic1147]

My uncle was a professor of film at UA. One of our favorite pastimes was watching old sci-fi flicks and, post Forbidden Planet, picking out the reused props. He always got depressed watching the Twilight Zone episode where they destroyed one of the scale ship models from FB.

[@RX552VBK]

One of my old time favorite SF films--huge influence over science fiction especially Star Trek.

[@walterbenjamin1386]

Your background in literature and theater made this thoughtful, interesting. This is smart sci-fi. The story captivated me as a kid. The scale of the vast energy network, the Krell, done in by their own technology and hunger for knowledge, the robot - these gave this film thought provoking depth and stimulated my own young mind more than most films. Especially the monster from the id - an intro to Freud for me at an early age. Thanks very much.

[@Neil070]

I think the alien city in Total Recall (Arnie version) is very reminiscent of the Krell complex. Clearly some influence, conscious or otherwise, from FP at work there

[@meatwoodflacmedia]

What's funny is that Doctor Who did It's own version of the Tempest in Planet of Evil, which also happened to feature an invisible monster, and later in that season there was a character called Morbius

[@frank1fm634]

Renegade Cut excellent analysis I must admit.Not for your average sci-fi treki.

[@donaldpetkus1637]

The Monster from the Id appears to be a version of a Tulpa, a paranormal autonomous creation of the human mind.

[@kenamaro]

Alta is smokin hot !! Enough so to keep me stranded on that planet !

[@Kurzula5150]

I too am often unable to control my mental creature. That's why I give it things to play with.

[@neurosp]

Goya painting , the dream of the reason creates monsters .

[@sayjinpat4life]

The monster in this movie looks like a psychic monster that was shown on the xmen cartoon show.

[@tron3entertainment]

"...and then I'll put guards on the guards."

[@herberteisenbei8112]

Without "Forbidden Planet" as pioneer, which showed that scifi movies can work on the big screen, "2001: A space odyssey" and "Star Wars" would have not been possible.

[@reloda]

This movie is a whole new scale in physical scientific values

[@RobertAMRoss]

Frankly, I’d love to see FP remade as a Star Trek movie, perhaps hewing closer to Shakespeare’s original…

[@DB-pt6zj]

*travels light years away* *displays amazing new technology such as... a robot?*

[@GroozzlyAdam]

Thank you. This has always been one of my favorite movies.

[@FlamestrixWindfyre]

Love the movie and the play. I played Trinculo in a production of the Tempest! Thank you.

[@Petraglyph777]

your analysis is excellent, thank you. That this movie is weighted more towards in depth dialogue than action sequences, is a reflection of the times in which is was scripted/made. Movies in that general era were almost always heavy with dialogue instead of action, because of the perceived intellect of the masses who would be viewing and appreciating/critiquing this movie, any movie at that time. Appreciating this movie in those parameters makes it a great cross over from the pre-war trans-war post-war movies of strong powerful movie characters to the rapidly developing 50's era of action action action with enough intellectual dialogue to still keep the audience enthralled, who expected traditional style but now combined with this new idea of 'what if' science fiction that is far more action than they were used to. I love this movie for everything that it is, including the radically new/experimental sound effects/music. Anne Francis in a mini dress was also a bold bold move.

[@alansmithey6261]

Excellent. You did an incredible job of discussing the multiple aspects of this great film.

[@gilbertponder5307]

From 7:42 - "Morbius still has human emotions. He fears, for example, what the men might do to his daughter." I would greatly appreciate it if the creator of this video or a commentator might cite some specific dialogue that indicates this. In my opinion, Morbius shows very little actual concern for what might happen to Alta at the hands of the new arrivals, and even less emotion in this regard. This is not to say that he doesn't try to hide her from the crew initially - clearly he does, as he hides a number of things. Adams is the only one who evidences any protective attitude whatsoever toward Alta (and I suggest that this is actually a relevant plot point, noting for whom she falls.) Enjoyed the video, BTW. Nice to see a FP review video with actual footage instead of stills.

[@herberteisenbei8112]

It's quite simple and direct into the face: when the invisible monster walks to Morbius, the Captain confronts him with it and Morbius agrees that deep down he has these fears.

[@DonDuracell]

That movie was the first Sci-Fi movie I remember seeing.

[@Sci-Fi-Punisher]

JetMechMA same

[@xtheunknown4662]

Robby the robot is still very cool looking & even at 58 l bought one at Walmart recently.

[@Neil070]

Did Robbie seriously say "I was giving myself an oil job"???? I don't remember the line, but I was very young and innocent when I saw the film....and I've since seen Leslie Nielsen say "nice beaver!"

[@rfisher89]

I was researching the aesthetics of that video game series Fallout, and saw that this film was a heavy influence on the game and yeah I see all of that.

[@Argonautx66]

Although it has its flaws, this film really set the pace for science fiction going into the 1960s. I, for one, really enjoy the aesthetic. Also being a child of the 70s and 80s, it was neat seeing recognizable actors from other pop-culture phenomena.

[@mikegrossberg8624]

Actually, Robbie was NOT an aspect of Caliban. He was Forbidden Planet's version of Ariel, the mischevious spirit Prospero bends to his will. BTW, I have never been able to figure out WHY the Krell would place a planetary self-destruct mechanism on their power source in the first place, let alone why they would make it so easily accessible, and without ANY security measures required to activate it. In Star Trek, the Enterprise's self destruct required the identification and coded verification of THREE senior officers, AND their verbal acquiesence to the move, before it could be initiated

[@x.y.8581]

The actual question to ask is why was it written into the screenplay? The answer is to add a climatic end to the movie otherwise how else would the movie end?

[@davem5333]

Instead of a WAAAAAY to easy to access destruct device a simple OFF switch or PAUSE button would have made a lot more sense.

[@howardgreenman2908]

Yes, the silliness of this all too easily accessed doomsday switch struck me as very odd even when i first saw this as a child. To reconcile this problem i imagined that it was Mörbius who with his expanded intelligence retrofitted the destruct device in case he ever had to abandon the planet and to prevent the dangerous Krell technology falling into the wrong hands. It’s the only way i could make sense out of it.

[@AndyLeMaitre]

What's a bathing suit?

[@raykaelin]

Absolutely first class review....thanks for posting...

[@NANA-zz8hb]

Morbius.... Morbin That's it, that's the comment

[@mikegrossberg8624]

Something NOT mentioned in this video is Morbius's realization that the god-like Krell, in constructing their mind-driven machine, had made the same mistake HE had. They had forgotten the baser selves or "ID", they THOUGHT they had left behind hundreds of centuries ago

[@amour2406]

AweSome Movie

[@jackkraken3888]

Its was better than I expected, and to see Leslie Nelson in a serious role was very interesting. Also you can definitely see some of the sexist attitude of the time, from how the crew talk about Morbius's daughter in front of him, to the wife joke about how useful Robie was. To the complete lack of women in the crew. You can even see the the commander implying the blueballs of the crew to Altaira. Heck even Altaira herself was wearing pretty short skirt throughout most of the movie. The set pieces were interesting, sad I only got to see one angle of the UFO the crew used. The technology especially on the ship was really weird, somethings made sense the others less so. The crew also didn't seem to know what to do in the beginning when they are coming to the new planet, they sort of just hung around, heck you just see the cook just standing on deck with everyone else doing nothing. You will see a lot of weird moments like this, they don't make sense but whatever.

[@stevencorwin2313]

Anne Francis could of been a bigger actress.She worked hard.She also appeared in Funny Girl .

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

she was mostly cut out of FG, supposedly cause Barbra was intimidated by her beauty and more of her than we saw. Look up her films on IMDB and there are some gems. Just really could have been more used in films, she had the talent. Maybe her beauty was a possible reason, with some thinking she didn't need talent, and so passed on her. I enjoyed "the Rack", with Paul Newman, and "Girl of the Night -1960 is a great performance and not a sleazy movie, but a more true to life one that era hadn't seen. Of course, all the appearances on Twilight Zone , Hitchcock, and 2 great leads in Route 66. She deserved higher recognition. But, she turned more to TV and was very active. A classy lady and just stunning physically. RIP * sorry, you probably know all this, but I was enthused ! lol

[@bferguson9277]

Forbidden Planet and War of the Worlds are my favorite 1950's sci-fi. No computer-generated special effects but awesome anyway.

[@charlesyoung7436]

As far as The Tempest is concerned, the Id Monster is Caliban and Robbie is Ariel, IMO.

[@royalanania3306]

This movie serves a a complete momentary departure 🛫 of all our reality,including our wishes to go to a perfect ,quiet ,beautiful place to leek our wounds.

[@dannydonuts4219]

Way ahead of it's time conceptually and for sound effects.The lesson the movie teaches is we have not yet and may never be rid of our "monsters from the ID.

[@BJHall-tf2cu]

These are awesome- I would love to see your take on Beyond the Black Rainbow - especially after the great job you did on The Holy Mountain

[@petercampbell8694]

VERY good dissertation of the movie 👍

[@jimtreebob2096]

Definitely one of my favorite sci-fi movies. I also love Soylent green.

[@robertsonbuttley3663]

Anne Francis is worth the look !!!

[@isaackellogg3493]

I like the part where Doctor Morbius started Doctorin’ all over the place.

[@desertrat1111]

I was a young boy growing up in the 50s. Notice the characteristic slanted arches so prevalent in the 50s and early early 60s

[@martinboyle9163]

In my opinion, this is the greatest movie ever made.

[@47barolo]

Robby is Ariel.

[@robinj.9329]

"Mankind, is a flawed creation." Was this Will Shakespeare too?

[@Notme864]

Great stuff

[@XenotHedgehog]

Ever notice the similarities between Forbidden Planet and Lovecraft's "The Dunwich Horror"?

[@ZoeEGrace]

Indeed, the Krell city is reminiscent of, ''At the Mountains of Madness' and though we never see the Krell, the suggestion is that they resemble 'the Great Old Ones' or similar, while the 'Monster From the Id' is suggestive of a Shoggoth. :)

[@jimcastor3214]

I subscribed, Forbidden Planet is one of my favorite movies from many moons ago.

[@sgmaths]

Great review keep it up...!

[@ThePa1riot]

5:21 Yeah I'm not what many would say is "politically correct" but even I felt a little weirded out by that aspect upon a second viewing. I'm not asking for a contrived Captain Planet scenario but if you lined the crew of the ship up next to each other and didn't tell me otherwise, I just would have assumed we used clones in the future for deep space operations.

[@issakelly8071]

Adams as in Adam the first man. The Forbidden Planet had some Genesis parallels in the early drafts which were largely excised, but the Adams surname was a holdover.

[@RedwoodTheElf]

I still wonder where the hell the tiger came from. Did the previous expedition bring it? Why?

[@18661873]

Good review.

[@irishman6414]

I wouldn't say the original Star Wars was "action, action, and more action." That would be more like Terminator. A New Hope is actually the slowest movie in the series (even though the prequels feel much slower because they're so boring).

[@wimgrundyearth5753]

Super Show!

[@Beery1962]

You speak of Forbidden Planet as if it cannot hold a modern audience's attention. I disagree.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Halloween 2020 and Boston Dynamics' ATLAS Real android can dress up as Robbie the Robot.

[@philipnorris6542]

The movie is very similar to "Star Trek" in its approach; John Adams could easily be James T. Kirk. One difference is that, if it was a "Star Trek" episode, the knowledge of the Krell would have been absorbed into the Enterprise's computer system before the planet blew up.

[@doug2424]

Star trek it is not, if anything star trek copied it. Same with star wars. They both make me cringe at how "simple" they are.

[@kingscorpion7346]

The first time I saw this I was 7 years old... in 1971.... and it scared the bejeebers out of me. I have since come to understand what a classic it is, and is one of my all time favorites. But after the remake of Lost In Space (1999) I think... I had a dream that Steven Speilburg got ahold of this and did a remake of Forbidden Planet... another special effects loaded extravaganza, and Robbie the Robot was so over done with blinking LEDs, it hurt the eyes, and would give someone who has epilepsy an attack. BUT!... Forbidden Planet, from 1956, with its special effects, even by today's post Star Wars standards, is unparalleled.

[@fyfoh]

The nuclear technology allegory is much more relevant than all the 2010's and 2020's social issues you discuss. If you want to explore the social dynamics, I think it would be more interesting to compare and contrast this movie to others of its time.

[@mchumm3r]

Isn’t the AI controlling Gort, the robot of The Day the Earth Stood Still, much like the nightmare manifestation of the monster from the ID? They both punish bad behavior severely and yet reward good? ⚡️🚀

[@RedcoatsReturn]

Careful, this was a brilliant film and the begining of an epoque. Not to be trifled with, for 1957 this was genius both in special effects, music and sound track and the story let alone great performances by Nielson, Pidgeon and Francis. The touches of the 1950s are. to be expected and add charm to this great classic, which was in the end better than The Tempest by Shskespere, in my view. The Id remains our greatest enemy today.

[@hannothephoenician633]

Forbidden Planet, based partly from a Shakespeare story (The Tempest), and 2001 A Space Oddesy, were the greatest Science Fiction movies ever made, vastly superior to any other such movies. And despite very old technology, their special effects are still vastly superior to anything since then. It's very, very obvious that Star Trek was based on Forbidden Planet, which Roddenberg never admitted. And Star Wars is more childlike, while the above films are for educated adults.

[@TheITinFIT]

Ooh, have you seen Kyle Kallgren's take on this movie?

[@richardspillers6282]

What Prometheus wishes it was.

[@jacksofalot5420]

The Krell turned on their machine and destroyed themselves.