Forbidden Power's cEDH Tournament Final - Tivit v Kinnan v Magda v Atraxa

[@littlerockgaming]

Hey everyone, it has been brought up to our attention that we got the wrong vault here! When Nathan plays his Mox Diamond (1:16), he discards a Vault of Champions. NOT and Mana Vault as we said. Sorry about that! We hope this mistake doesn't affect the experience too negatively.

[@MRAIClassroom]

No worries mates

[@livanbard]

It's alright you can't discard a mana vault for that anyways so I figured that out

[@andrewkreklow5389]

Thank you for continuing to film despite being in a magnitude 5 earthquake…

[@littlerockgaming]

Hahaha, you should have seen it while i was cutting out all the shuffles! :P Lesson learned for next time, make sure the camera stand is not touching the game table! We will do better next time! :D

[@williamchu4595]

Love u guys

[@lorenzobonaretti2887]

magda player couldn't attack with universal automaton (nothing would have changed) cuz it entered the battlefield during that turn with urza saga, so during the main phase 1

[@brendonford3838]

Ya, if Magda player had played springleaf drum turns before, I feel like he would’ve been able to make enough treasures to get clock of omens out even without attacking with universal automaton

[@lorenzobonaretti2887]

@@brendonford3838 he had enough treasure anyway, he had 4 and attacked with 3 netting 6 more due to xorn. 1 creature was enough to close the game

[@brendonford3838]

@@lorenzobonaretti2887 gotcha, I didn’t see the treasures present I thought he had 0 going into that turn. But ya, xorn is enough 😅

[@chezkyguttman4002]

something could have changed bc you may not push for it if you have only one search. the fact that he had another magda activation coulda gave him the extra protection if someone woulda responded to the first search..... but that may be on his opponents as much as him .....

[@lordgut5252]

It is each player’s responsibility to make sure gameplay is congruent.. No Null Rods in Malta??😂🤣

[@elciocolle_]

Kudos to Magda player patience

[@bkwilcox07]

On his first Sylvan Library trigger, Duncan had no choice but to pay the 8 life & keep both cards since he drew them face down into his hand.

[@albertagius5510]

Top game and top coverage! We want more ;)

[@DarknessChampion]

Nice review! Music sounds like something from a Monkey Ball game. Love that lol.

[@TheUrDragon25]

Made me think of the old television program "how it's made"

[@skourer8107]

discard mana vault? for Mox Diamond? He has to discard a land ?

[@scorchingjms6426]

The player actually discarded a vault of champions (land)

[@littlerockgaming]

You are absolutely right, he pitched a Vault of Champions, we got the wrong vault!

[@hellproof2379]

Thanks for asking. Was confused too

[@MultiJohnny247]

How did Universal Automaton tap in the end?

[@Rezulince]

So why not just play Kinnan to turn fierce guardianship on?

[@danieltihn]

Hi, I piloted Kinnan here. I have played a lot against two of these players in the pod and, at the time, was struggling to get Kinnan going when I play him out, open to interaction. Playing Kinnan puts a target on my head that, in that specific pod and with all the mana I was presenting, I would rather try and slow it down. Therefore, since I have enough mana for the Fierce anyway, I can keep it up without being forced to use it to protect Kinnan. In the end, I lost the game so maybe playing Kinnan was simply better :/ For context, I started cedh less than a year ago so I am still experimenting with my play patterns and figuring out the world of politics :)

[@lordgut5252]

@@danieltihn at 18:45 since you’d already removed the Cage, with what looks like 14 mana available, why had you not activated Kinnan at least twice which could have put more creatures out to tap for more mana and more Kinnan activations to potentially find an answer or flat out win in response?? 😅

[@lordgut5252]

@@danieltihn in response to Swords cause I don’t understand the fetch, you (if able) cast another spell to trigger Hullbreaker and bounce the Swords to Plowshares back to opponents hand since “that” would resolve before the swords… Alternatively you can make Mirage Mirror a copy of Hullbreaker, cast a spell and return the original Hullbreaker to your hand as another way to protect. Until the end of turn the Mirror Is a Hullbreaker horror. That you can respond to its own copy effect making it become a copy of a land while still carrying over the “when you cast a Spell” ability the copied Hullbreaker that is now nigh impossible to deal with because mirror is now a land with breaker abilities 😂🤣 ‘Till end of turn….

[@zacbrown5443]

shaky camera 😵‍💫

[@arbit0r]

That camera shake is harrowing.

[@andydoe_DB]

interesting how the god pharoh allowed the rhystics to draw

[@MrScottyBaker]

17:38 Nathan should’ve copied Kinnan. Could’ve cast Tivit and Rhystic Study with the extra mana from rocks and treasures

[@Mar_the_Mar]

What ap is used to keep the life totals?

[@scorchingjms6426]

Wizards official Companion app

[@brendonford3838]

I still can’t understand why springleaf drum didn’t come back out and make treasures the whole rest of the game. Really heart breaking as a Magda player thinking about how those treasures could’ve affected the game

[@sayntfuu]

The cameraman is also a jiggling torso hence the cam shake. nice game though

[@lordgut5252]

At 10:05 after killing Drannith and cheating in the ONE Additional mana needed to cast Magda, SHOULD Have Never Been allowed. Even “noticing” post production the game should have been made a Draw for the number of suspicious misplays, graveyard manipulations, and the hiding of cards from opponents ..

[@emarmy00]

Tivit, back to the basement hahahahah!

[@lordgut5252]

In lieu of @RegimentJoker comment of too convenient opening hands. With Duncan’s first draw of the game AFTER the FoW there should be 5 cards in hand, at 2:06 Duncan draws 2 cards for turn (7 in hand) plays and “cracks” Scalding Tarn to Fetch. However even At 2:11 narrator states the player Fetches for a land that Does Not Happen but gets shortcut while still playing and paying other cards (6 in hand should be 5) casts Diamond (5 cards in hand should be 4) an without ever fetching from Scalding Tarn he pitches another fetch land Arid Mesa (4 cards in hand should be 3) for Mox diamond stated by narrator “using the land he fetched for to pay for Rhystic” At The 3:00 mark the Players force of will is somehow at the Top of his graveyard over the top of Arid Mesa. 3:15 after casting Narset the remaining hand disappears then returns with the appropriate 2 cards remaining… Magic of Editing or something else🤔🤔

[@thomaskeyser294]

Everyone just has mox diamond, mox opal, mana vault, rhystox etc in starting hand 100% of the time eh? Fishy

[@littlerockgaming]

Don't know what to tell you amigo. An opponent cuts after every shuffle :P Plus, mulligans in cedh are aggressive. Players are more likely to keep a great hand of 4 than a mid 7.

[@shazaaaaaam]

magda be cheating 😂

[@kevin171994]

Magda cheated casting two lands and attacking with a summoning sickness creature

[@lordgut5252]

OOOOOOOOoooohhhh…… @littlerockgaming The term Little Rock Gaming pertains to the size of the island you’re on, NOT the City that’s an hour drive away from me in the United States 😂🤣😂 Y’all have No Idea how confused I was an initially pissed I was miss competitive tournaments 😅 Got’it Now!

[@sdog2310]

I did the same thing

[@rd1012]

decklist broken.. awesome game tho..

[@wayneformosa3018]

Which one?

[@rd1012]

@@wayneformosa3018 all the links

[@avatech6037]

Magda cheat 😂😂😂

[@RegimentJoker]

Cap on these starting hands

[@littlerockgaming]

Thank you for the feedback! :D Noted for next time :)

[@livanbard]

What a cheatfest lol. The atraxa player spent 30 life to get the saddest etb trigger in story. Sylvan libraries are for people who read whats going on. He should had enlightened a rhystic study of his own.

[@90metalhead]

That's what I was thinking. Or even going for a smothering tithe would have been better than sylvan tutor

[@s.c.2195]

The kinnan player should stick to kitchen table edh considering the amount of mistakes he made in official tournament 😂

[@florianwerk4505]

Mistakes are ok, you never started playing or were just tired?

[@erifetihw]

He made it to the final table... Maybe just mental fatigue

[@florianwerk4505]

Yeah 100% lik 6-7 games of midrange games can be exhausting af

[@danieltihn]

Hiya, I am the Kinnan player!!! I only started cEDH a couple months before this tournament and, admittedly, I made a lot of mistakes. However, I want to grow as much as possible so any constructive feedback?

[@littlerockgaming]

In defense of all misplays, this was the last game of a long day of grindy games. Not only that, besides the pressure of being in the final, we added the new and interesting dimension of recording their every move! :P Bless them for putting up with us!

[@THE3NDISNIGH]

Proxies ruin these events.

[@lordgut5252]

Please Elaborate?

[@lordgut5252]

In 30 years of playing, participating, judging, hosting and helping in 20+ Cedh tournaments I’ve never been to a single unsanctioned event that did Not allow for the use of proxies…. What is the dilemma you find in playing with proxies?? Assuming it’s an experience you’ve had and not the moral ambiguity.. Curious to your answer 😊

[@THE3NDISNIGH]

​@lordgut5252 Proxies in any type of "competitive" event make it immediately not competitive. The players don't own a portion of their decks... Imagine if, in any other competitive sport, you could "proxy." I don't have Michael Jordan on my team, but for this set of finals I'm allowed to use a stand in that's just as good. The whole notion seems foolish, in the same way that using cards you don't own does. Nice way of slipping unsanctioned into your comment btw I loved hearing this at awful game stores: "Yeah we run a Legacy FNM, now it is unsanctioned because we allow for 90% deck proxy." ...Oh cool, so it's literally nothing but a waste of time.

[@lordgut5252]

@@THE3NDISNIGH Well Thankfully We Cant compare MTG to any physical sport, None of that makes sense. Athletic sports are based on ones own individual talents, their not dissecting an elaborate game full of rules requiring years of physical reading and putting those reading skills to practice... unsanctioned events are anything not hosted by wizards... no slipping anything those are the facts, what im hearing thats foolish is someone wanting to be crowned king and not actually having to play a player playing the game, seems you’d rather play against their hardships whatever they might be that dont allow them the thousands in Fast Mana or limited printings of cede staple cards... If You Dont like competition where everyone is on an equal playing field and winning comes down to skill in how they play their cards maybe basketball would be a good alternative... The self convincing moral stance on not using proxies to play to your true potential is what drags the game down and breeds an air of false superiority because some one is lucky enough to own or purchase cardboard. I Play against Players, I dont Play against their Bank or what hardships they might suffer.. hope you get to enjoy MTG one day or a career in physical athletic sports. hate that you hate it, but im not your Daddy dont play if you feel your ay a disadvantage or maybe try playing with proxies in an environment where its allowed and competition actually exists outside a kitchen table or a wizards event where there is no option... You Play in many of those? I couldn’t even find a shop in Mall that didn’t allow for fair constructed magic thats proxy legal. PLease give an opponent of mine ALL Power 9 cards and I will still be able to defeat them with a proper built “Proxy-Absent’’ Yawgmoth Build ive piloted for 6 years straight, an strictly playing in Mono-Black the last 12 years. But Hey! people think I ruin events by Lock out Draw with Chains of Mephistopheles and shut off their mana with Contamination. hadn’t seen a racket ball or baseball glove do that yet.... 🥱

[@THE3NDISNIGH]

Why on earth would I play in any Magic event that wasn't sanctioned? So I can win store credit? Or shit tier dual lands? There's a reason ALL of the major tournaments are sanctioned and a reason they don't allow proxies. Because you can't compete with something you don't own, physical sport or otherwise. Competitive sports of any kind, normally, require some investment. If you don't have the pockets don't be upset, learn to save. Learn to budget. If a person can't handle simple steps like this to achieve ownership of some cardboard they probably are low tier IQ to begin with and aren't worth playing. Just from the way you type, it's exceedingly apparent you weren't a tournament grinder of any notable caliber, and your DCI# is definitely not 6 digits or less. Playing, in a mall? What kind of reputable game store is in a mall? What TO host has their home base in a mall? Your whole reply reeks of nothing but casual play. Which is neat, you sound like the type of person who wants to explain the lore and loves to hold court at a table in the shop where you trick people into listening to you babble on about worthless info, instead of turning themselves into legit tournament scene players. I've seen a number of your ilk across multiple stores in the Midwest and East coast. Your breed isn't new, and how most stores don't immediately banish you back to the kitchen you crawled out of is beyond me. On another note, what Yawgmoth? The one printed in 2019? Your math might be a little off there, Kitchen Table King. I'm sure you were crushing sanctioned Legacy and Vintage events with Mono-Black for 12 years. 😂😂😂