Forbidden Rite Pathfinder Update: Face-Tank Everything!

[@EmberHext]

I've been running a similar build since the second week of the league, although I eventually swapped from FR to a CoC Soulrend of the Spiral setup. The main other differences are that I use a Defiance of Destiny, Nimis, and a Cloak of Flame. I love it to death and I plan to league start PF and transition into a Mahuxotl's build ASAP next league assuming nothing changes.

[@PathofEvening]

All pretty fun uniques!

[@pigeon7777]

The tankyness of this build is insane, I could easily tank all ubers (but T17's can still be rippy, they are so overtuned). I have tried Defiance of Destiny as the neck to help with farming strongboxes in T17's as there is just so many things that can hit you at once with that map strat and that works really well, but you do lose out quite a bit of damage

[@PathofEvening]

It's definitely an option!

[@Forrest10]

What you think of using Forbidden Taste quartz flast instead life flask?

[@PathofEvening]

You'd be swapping 3k life/sec for a Chaos degen. No thank you.

[@CosmoLovesSpinning]

Hey man do you mind doing a guide on how to craft the wand?

[@PathofEvening]

Maybe it'll be part of something larger further on, but not a dedicated video.

[@RandomnessUK]

Oh, also forgot to mention, ancestral vision takes the total Spell Suppression chance for it's calcs. so if you end up with some spare spell suppression gear to get over 100% that'll still apply to ele ailment avoidance. Not min-max relevant, but really helpful for gearing while completing your atlas.

[@PathofEvening]

This is true!

[@RandomnessUK]

It does take 4 passive points, but dagger mastery grants 8% more damage with hits AND ailments on poisoned enemies. That should get you another 729,945 per projectile, or 3,649,725 per 5-proj volley. Also gives you 5% increased poison duration, or 6% increased movement speed, depending on the node you go for.

[@TheDiscoMole]

2% damage per point is very inefficient.

[@PathofEvening]

Yeah, the two small passive Poison DoT Multi nodes are worth 2.3% each, and Swift Venoms a little lower down is worth 2.4% each for 3 points, so the investment for that mastery just really isn't worth it. None of these are all that game-changing, you can make up the majority of that damage difference just by upgrading Exarch Implicits to Grand or better, and a Graveyard wand that's better than a multi-modded one will absolutely get you over the cap, as well.

[@RandomnessUK]

@@TheDiscoMole I was using it on a crit+poison assassin build, so it was much more efficient because of DoT multi on crits. But if you can find another source of 8% more hits AND ailments on the tree nearby please let me know.

[@pavelsusloparov9974]

The shield’s Vaal Pact node has changed. The build is not functioning in 3.25.

[@PathofEvening]

Correct, we've mentioned it a bunch since we released this video

[@pavelsusloparov9974]

@@PathofEvening I’ve used the new lucky block shield instead and went Xibaque with Taste Of Hate flask for fire and lightning to cold conversion.

[@pavelsusloparov9974]

Max block attack and spell block, Max spell suppress, max cold and chaos res, 10mln dot dps. Happy on how it turned out.

[@claus5957]

Pob?

[@danindell5697]

will you be doing a 3.25 version of this build?

[@PathofEvening]

Mahuxotl caster builds no longer function due to the Vaal Pact change, so probably not!

[@JohnB-ws4ge]

any chance you would do a quick refresh/notes on the arcing build from last league? Didnt find it until this league!

[@PathofEvening]

That's not exactly a quick project

[@Richafu]

Any possible tech for automating the life flask ? I wouldn't play it otherwise.

[@PathofEvening]

Nope.

[@samuelseiichiinoue7791]

Hey there, I'm currently building it and just noted that: From where is the frenzy charges coming from? They are marked at config, but I just can't find from where they could be coming from.

[@PathofEvening]

Frenzy Charges are not marked in the config.

[@samuelseiichiinoue7791]

@@PathofEvening maybe I got the old one then. I'll check the newer version of pob xD

[@samuelseiichiinoue7791]

@@PathofEvening yeah, I did got the older version, LoL, I was following the last video about this build. Thanks

[@prodigalPOE]

Great video!!! You are my go to guy for anything pf. I have a few questions. How consistent is it to get 15xWither with only Nature's Reprisal? (assuming that's the only way to get withered). How are you getting your divine blessing skill to activate without hassle? It takes me 4-5 clicks to activate it without using any skills. Finally, why wicked pal over septic spell? In pob it shows septic has a lot of dps compared to wicked pal.

[@PathofEvening]

You only need one Septic Spells to hit 100% Poison chance. It's great for getting up to the cap, but then then it's actually a very weak passive after that point. As for getting Wither stacks up, it's actually pretty consistently at 15 stacks on targets you're able to cast on for any length of time. You hit with around 5 projectiles per cast, so with a rate of over 7.5 casts per second, that's around 35-40 hits per second. Because of PF's 25% chance to Wither on hit, you only need about 1.5 seconds of sustained casting to hit 15 wither stacks consistently on a single target. As for timing Divine Blessing, it just takes some practice!

[@prodigalPOE]

@@PathofEvening Thanks for answering the questions. Keep up the good work! 👍

[@horaciogomezcuadrado5426]

Hey. good video, any chances you upload your new POB with the mageblood!

[@PathofEvening]

Not using a Mageblood in this build, it's actually SUBSTANTIALLY weaker than with Tides of Time. TOT affects Unique Flasks (including Progenesis) and grants 100% Increased Regen from Life Flasks, so it's the BIS option for most Pathfinder builds.

Question, would it work to have cast when damage taken linked to all in the boots? Or does it need to be one that is disconnected from the rest?

[@PathofEvening]

CWDT will need to be linked to every skill you want it to cast.

@@PathofEvening Great, trying that. Struggling as hell with the build. And it doesn't help that for some reason, im always low on funds. But ill get there :)

[@Sports7764]

Gameplay is terrible unless you use a flask macro. still impressive that you like hitting your 1 key when in the passive screen! (It's okay to use a macro. I know you can't say you do lol)

[@PathofEvening]

Disagree!

[@katmeerkats]

I have my flask button under the default position of my thumb on my mmo mouse. I get enough charges that I don't have to worry about optimizing when I press it so I basically spam it while moving and don't think about it.

[@OViceroyO]

I am more than ok to use the life flask manually

[@pepefinder6979]

Hi, is Nimis not viable in this build?

[@PathofEvening]

It does nothing with Forbidden Rite.

[@ozansengul6015]

How do you get 90% fire res and 88% chaos res? I stay capped at 88% fire and 83% chaos. Also (maybe because of this reason) my EHP is at 187k, with max ele hit at 113k, max chaos hit at 102k. I can do ubers, and some specific t17 mods, but still it feels like something is off. Thanks in advance!

[@PathofEvening]

Ruby Flask & Mahuxotl's Machination buff.

[@ozansengul6015]

@@PathofEvening Still, i'm capped at 88% :/ Maybe I'm missing something. Thanks for the answer!

[@gregorioricouz3836]

I have your build. How do you deal with those stupid random monsters that turn off your flasks?. I died in a tier 17 yesterday because in the hot of the battle didnt notice that some random stupid mob turn off my flasks with an offscreen arrow and died inmediatly. It was just one little monster in the middle of hundred of monsters with a bow that put an arrow with a skill that turn all flasks off.

[@PathofEvening]

Run, pretty much. There's not a great way to deal with them as a Pathfinder, and they are straight-up evil. At least they're not very common!

[@katmeerkats]

Run away. Hit from a distance if you're greedy. Otherwise run and never come back..

[@MrChucksherman]

Guys how to get 90% fire res here? Im getting 83..

[@PathofEvening]

Make sure you're turning on Everlasting Sacrifice & Alchemist's Genius in your Config tab!

[@MrChucksherman]

​@@PathofEveningthanks. Can I also ask what about Defiance of destiny? Isnt it better in terms of survivability?

[@vinny8174]

Is there alternatives to the really expensive items like Prognesis flask? or is this build not meant to be taken as a lower budget build but more as a high budget build?

[@PauloVictor-tz9bg]

The core of the build are the uniques(Body, flasks, Jewel with Rakiata, Shield). You can start with progenesis but you won't feel as tanky. I did this build before quitting league and its pretty much immortal but kinda also felt like an overkill sometimes.

[@BotCrafters_Hub]

You can go amethyst flask if you don't have max chaos res. The problem is progen is giving u like 50%+ increased max hit so you won't be running t17 or juiced content without it. Also this dudes build is running low phys max hit so you will be getting randomly slapped imo.

[@PathofEvening]

Yeah, a magic Amethyst flask works for farming t16's like no problem. T17's will be possible, but more risky.

[@dekmadekma]

do you use a vanguard belt and flask implicit mods because it is cheaper than mageblood or is there any other reason? thanks for the vid as always!

[@PathofEvening]

It's better for Pathfinder than a Mageblood, because it works with Unique Flasks like Progenesis.

[@konradjamio3632]

do you have Discord Server m8?

[@PathofEvening]

We have one, but it's not public at the moment. We're still trying to figure out how managing another community would fit into our workflow since we're only 2 people :)

[@gabrielplouffe1194]

I’m confused as to how your life flask keeps going while you’re at full life? I can’t get the ES to keep filling up

[@BotCrafters_Hub]

Run replica sorrow of the divine sulphur flask and have pathfinder master surgeon node. And if you have this and can't use flask on full hp problem is here: you need your flask to do something other than heal, if you see on his pob he has corrupted blood suffix meaning when he uses his flask it will trigger the search for corrupted blood as well that is why it allows him to use it, if you want to run other suffix like avoid stun or whatever u will need to get flask mastery recover 4% of life when you use a flask so you can use it even on full hp.

[@gabrielplouffe1194]

Ah there you go! Im missing Uber lab, that’s why. Thanks man

[@PathofEvening]

That's it!

[@ILikeGuns1992]

And I am still not getting baited into Forbidden Rite build :3

[@PathofEvening]

Your loss.

[@ILikeGuns1992]

@@PathofEvening or win. There are so many things to play.

[@Raiden19111]

Like your content and watch every video but im not falling for this bait.Toxic rain is just far superior for me..tried FR 2 leagues now and its so clunky and slow compared to basic TR builds..especially adorned TR with chaos explode pop cluster jewels..theres just no match for me.

[@7icecvf]

I wouldnt consider this as a bait, purely a difference of playstyle

[@PathofEvening]

Everything feels slow once you've played TR PF!

[@BBGLEED]

Can this be played without progenesis? Trying to get this going on SSF. Have the shield and belt have a +2 wand etc but I can’t seem to kill Uber Exarch/Uber Maven/Uber Sirus so looking to make something new to be tanky enough with enough damage to do that content.

[@PathofEvening]

It can, but it will be less tanky. A unique-heavy build like this is going to take a lot of effort to put together in SSF.

[@Lisacortez1]

Something is off with the audio :( constant wierd cracking noises. I am the only one hearing this ?

[@PathofEvening]

We gave it another listen and don't hear any crackling. We also aren't getting comments saying it's happening.

[@sebastianpalitang5968]

Like the build!!! but my dmg seems is lacking , missing 2xMedium clusters, but my hit dmg is 1/4th of your current PoB, with not alot of variance in terms of gear etc. Using a non aoe guise and ashes instead.

[@PathofEvening]

That's around -4 gem levels, possibly more. That and the medium clusters would make sense. Those seem like your next logical upgrades!

[@aleksa8455]

Hi, thanks for the guide, I've followed it and got to level 97 with like 400-500 divine invested. The build is more than tanky but I feel like my damage is a bit low in T17 even though my pob says I hit dot cap when all projectiles hit. Can I send you my pob somewhere and get some help? Thanks in advance!

[@PathofEvening]

We don't have any contact channels set up for reviewing pobs. We may open our Discord to the public, but we're still figuring out how that will affect our workflow.

[@katmeerkats]

I've been too lazy to buy a replica dragonfang and instead have been running Defiance of Destiny instead and a modified tree that includes more reservation efficiency. I got rid of Petrified Blood and have been running Purity of Elements to both top my fire rez and be ailment immune. The boot hate is real though and I've thought about getting rid of them as well.

[@PathofEvening]

They're pretty annoying, but they really help fix damage output, especially in a tankier setup like one with DoD!

[@mystagogue71]

With Tainted Pact in the amulet slot you can ignore the damage from Annihilation's Approach as long as you are leeching.

[@PathofEvening]

You will need to get Leech from somewhere, such as Gloves implicit, and you can't Leech above 50% health due to Petrified Blood, so it's not a perfect fix, either.

[@diegogarber1]

Can you give us a budget version to get this started? Maybe level 90 -- until we get there :)

[@PathofEvening]

The original version running Dark Seer & Annihilation's Approach is the budget version. This is a build that requires a lot of overlapping uniques in order to function correctly.

[@McFairy001]

Is the chance to poison on hit with gloves mandatory to have?

[@PathofEvening]

You have to get poison on hit somewhere. You can get in the passive tree, on rare jewels, from cluster jewel notables, as a Haunted Gloves suffix, or as a Gloves Implicit.

[@jetlee88]

ty for the guide i have a question . how much currency i need for make this build working ? its posible without the expensive flask ?

[@PathofEvening]

Figuring out prices of things is one of the more important aspects of learning to play PoE. It will function without Progenesis, but you will want to farm up one of those as the first big thing you do once you have the build online.

[@xXMaukiorXx]

i'd say you can get it off the ground for around 40 div without the most expensive items. The most expensive items should be the wand (20-30 div), watcher's eye (10-20 div) and the rare ring, but have good cheaper alternatives (except progenesis, of course).

[@jmanredbull1]

@@xXMaukiorXx You can absolutely drop the wand for dark seer which is about 6 div with +2 life but you can get away with +1 life for only 2-3 div. Watcher's Eye is not required to get it going, more QoL. Baseline price tag could probably be as low as 9-10 div, that's what I'm playing on mine as I level it to 100 and get currency, especially if you have eldritch currency and can roll most of the implicits yourself as well as modify the tree to take Magebane + Profane Chemistry to skip the expensive spell supress rares

[@minhocho5487]

Can you not use tainted pact amulet with flask mod dmg to you leeches as life and all dots int eh game become healing for you?

[@RandomnessUK]

I've tried this out extensively and it's definitely worth considering, but it does rely on a few things: 1) The flask mod only applies to hits from monsters, and not from hits generated from FR. If you are using any items that provide a source of self-poison or "all damage can poison", this can be counter-synergistic. 2.1) You can use this to allow constant healing by self-poisoning via the Golden Rule unique jewel, but this can cause issues if poison stacks are are applied after you start leeching, or somehow last for longer than the maximum leech duration of 5 seconds. Your leech duration is reduced if you have a proportion of this as instant leech, with 10% instant leech reducing this to 4.5 seconds. 2.2) The only way to guarantee not quickly dying from poison effects is to take advantage of the Maw of Conquest unique helm. This has a significant opportunity cost when compared to a decent crafted helm. 3) The flask mod isn't always necessary for this, as you already have vaal pact from the shield, allowing for overleech to reach the max 5 second duration. I'd say that the amulet is definitely synergistic with any build using divine flesh, as this does let you ignore any elemental or chaos DoT when you're actively in combat. It also works incredibly well with Annihilation's Approach, as you can ignore the DoT for as long as you're actively leeching in combat. This would be a very good early-game option if you (somehow) have a Mahuxotl's Machination, but can't afford Ashes of the Stars or Dragonfang's flight.

[@PathofEvening]

This is a great answer.

[@RandomnessUK]

@@PathofEvening just to add that you can use glorious vanity from xibaqua to build up into fr pathfinder from poisonous concoction. This will probably be my strat for the next leaguestart.

[@SlayzerEx]

As someone who tries to understand this build i would like to ask why we cant auto the life flask ? And if its possible what would we lose to achieve it? I simple love how this build works with so many uniques, great guide !

[@OViceroyO]

It may cost you your account. There is no legal way to achieve that, but there are 3rd party macros that can do it

[@SlayzerEx]

@@OViceroyO thanks for the answer. Is it not possible to use just a flask mod? Why is manual play mandatory?

[@jmanredbull1]

@@SlayzerEx Life and Mana flasks are the only ones that don't have the option to automate normally. I don't understand why that is the way the game is, but it's unfortunately the one downside of Master Surgeon builds: remembering to hit life flask every 4-6 sec depending on type of flask

[@PathofEvening]

Thanks for the compliment. OViceroyO is correct, though.

[@jetlee88]

lot of ppl automated flask and nothing happens

[@RandomnessUK]

Last thought: Ashes of the stars is still one of the best neck options for FR builds IMO, as long as you're leveraging the skill gem quality mod. The damage is lower than using replica dragonfang, unsurprisingly, but you get some serious QoL: 1) FR Projectiles up from 10 to 13 - more life recovery, more poison instances etc. 2) 50% increased CDR on Immortal Call and 100% increased CDR on Enduring Cry (which means you have a longer uptime with both endurance charges and the immortal call buff before immortal call eats up the charges. 3) Petrified life loss over time goes from 74% of the prevented hit (29.6%) to 66% (26.4%). 4) Extra 5% or so chaos res reduction from despair. I'll probably aim to get ashes when I run this build next league, and just make up for the reservation efficiency loss by essence-crafting my helm. Still love this guide, thanks!

[@PathofEvening]

Yeah, it's not bad!