Forced Diversity Does [Not] Exist | Ant vs. Anti-Woke Slop

[@firedragonx7044]

Good video Anty but I'm not sure if you missed it or left it out but high guardian spice was screwed over by the company as they put all their money into the marketing but barely anything for writer, artist, vc, or any of the creators.

[@starbit5065]

High Guardian Spice is such an interesting rabbit hole when you actually look into its production history. From the beginning you could clearly tell it was originally intended to be geared for the same audience as something like She-Ra or Steven Universe. But then it was picked up by Crunchyroll of all companies, who heavily marketed it to a completely different demographic, then giving the team little to no funding/resources to flesh out the writing and animation. It's like it was deliberately set up to fail. Had it been a show for Netflix or Prime Video it probably could've been a decent but nothing special show with a small following, but instead it was doomed to be one of the defacto punching bags for online anime communities.

[@LizzieShiro]

Honestly I still feel awful for everyone who worked on the project. While I didn't like certain aspects of the show, wasn't a fan of the character design and some scenes weren't to my liking, it did not deserve the beating that it got. The fact that the creator was harassed by idiots made my stomach turn. I genuinely hope they're doing better nowadays.

[@Boidone]

I just wanted to talk about the "Spiderman is Spiderman and Miles is Miles" thing, because it has always upset me. (I'm not sure if you bring this up in the video because I'm at the 20ish minute mark rn) But it upsets me for multiple reasons, the main one is that they ignore the reason why Spiderman was made in the first place. Stan lee gave him Spiderman a mask so that anyone could be Spiderman. Spiderman is the mask, a symbol, and whoever puts it on becomes spiderman. Spiderman was made to progressive because that was Stan Lee wanted. That's second reason why i hate "miles is miles" thing. Because it ignores stan lee's orginal intentions. Sorry is this doesn't make since, I'm not good with words.

[@agramuglia]

You actually beat me to it, but that does get mentioned!

[@MelissaWickersham-k4o]

Ditko wasn’t as progressive, though. He was a fan of Ayn Rand, or so I have heard.

[@chriscortez2036]

The whole “Miles is replacing Peter as Spider-Man” complaint is especially bizarre considering characters like John Stewart and Wally West exist. I haven’t seen anyone complain about them. These characters aren’t “replacing” anyone. If anything, they’re upholding the legacy of a superhero name. Tons of comic book characters share the same superhero name. It’s not an issue for them, so why is it suddenly an issue for Miles?

[@starmaker75]

In fact spiderman having multiple people take and inherit the title would solve the whole marvel said about "keeping spiderman retable" to the youth. Also who know, maybe it give peter parker a somewhat happy ending.

[@sternritternovad]

I love how Alien Romulus, Prey, Arcane, Agatha All Along, and Deadpool and Wolverine couldn't exist if these people had their way, yet they say all media would be better with their "Anti-Woke" views.

[@Dr.Mlieko]

None of those are woke

[@sternritternovad]

@Dr.Mlieko According to Grifters they all are, but since they are all successful Grifters don't want to admit it.

[@godessnerd]

@@Dr.Mliekorethink that, a show led by women? Do you seriously think conservatives would let that happen if they had their way?

[@Thareldis]

​@@Dr.MliekoI haven't seen the other shows and movies yet, but Arcane is woke both in the original sense and how the usual chuds would mean it. It is woke in the original sense, because it is actively tackling social rights and workers rights issues, talking ablut racism and prejudice, criticizing oligarchic societies, tackling police brutality, war crimes and showing us how colonization can work and shows it as a bad thing. And it's woke in the modern anty sjw sense, that it has several queer characters in it, has more than just a few people of colour in prominent roles, centers around a lot of strong women, shows women to be in powerful pozitions etc. The show is woke as fuck no matter from what perspective you look at it, but it's done well. The issue here is, that your usual smooth brained anty sjw just conflated progressive themes aka "wokeness" with "low quality", which was bullshit from the start. That's why they immediately backpedal, when something is actually good and their arguments just start sounding even dumber.

[@animeotaku307]

@@Dr.MliekoImagine looking at Arcane with its not at all subtle themes regarding classism and capitalism and saying that it isn’t woke. 🤡

[@suzibean]

People who argue that anime characters are white and not asian are basically arguing "If asain, why no asain eyes" without trying to say that outright

[@bluebaron6858]

Her name is literally Usagi lol

[@InfinitySevens]

And that mentality fails to account for most anime artstyles just forgoing ethnic features in favour of stylization. Or that Asia isn't just East Asia lmao.

[@theshire9173]

Here before anti-woke slop KZbinrs react to this video

[@draco_system]

the forced diversity "scare" also kinda contributed to the whole media literacy issue, i feel. i feel like because we're given crumbs of diversity, we just settle for the slop we get fed from studios lazily trying to appeal to us without any actual effort to tell a STORY. but between the desperation of representation and fragile ego'd white men who can't even handle their burger king order being slightly wrong without making 1000 death threats at the poor cashiers, we're kinda stuck with what we have. we don't like the idea of demanding more out of what we're given. it discourages us from seeing the deeper layers of media. By we, I mean my generation of queer people, mostly. it's kinda frustrating as a queer neurodivergent myself. i want more out of what i get. idk. maybe it's just me.

[@MrNarcus]

I think it's perfectly okay with NOT being okay that the portrayal of your community isnt being done well. This is honestly why this is all so frustrating to me. They aren't writing these diverse characters to create an organic relatable character that we as the consumer can attach to and feel for. They are instead pandering to the community, which to me is no worse than zero diversity. I'm a cis white dude, I can't sit here and remotely act like I know what it's like to experience these things and this kind of vitriol and hostility over something so little as a pronoun. But my partner is non-binary, and I love to tell them about these new character being introduced into stories that aren't straight white dudes, it makes them feel good and hopeful for the future of media that this stuff is more common place, but at the same time I'm equally infuriated because these same characters are so horribly written it's hard not to feel like it's done with an ulterior motive. When a beloved source material gets used for this stuff, while at the same time not even being true to it, you can't expect fans to be okay with that either. But you also can't criticize the writing without people thinking you're part of the chud gang that hates "wokeness". Taash in DA:V is a perfect example of this pandering. It's not even that they are non binary, it's not that it is a focus of their personal quest. It's that the character feels like it's been written by someone that is coming from one singular, very specific, lived experienced and and self-inserted their own projections into the character. Written in a way that doesnt fit the tone or vibe of the source material. You can't expect people to love your characters when it feels like you've never taken a creative writing class and taken all of your writing advice from Lily Orchard. There are trans creators on youtube that specifically break this character down and explain why Taash is such bad representation. People shouldn't be getting upset that there is diversity and inclusivity in video games, comics, or other media. People should be getting pissed off that these characters are so poorly written, that it feels like the representation and portrayal is purely to placate and pander to the community, and this writing is literally coming from the community. It IS possible to write compelling, lovable, and relatable characters that are also diverse and coming from a place of inclusivity.

[@ExtremeWreck]

YO as a gay autistic person(and probably neurodivergent), I feel ya' & yeah, it can be frustrating to see we either get characters that hardly exist or those freakin' dad stereotypes. It especially frustrates me because I have some kinds of ideals on how I live that sadly are similar to what some of these anti-woke slop creators do... SUCH AS: 1. I don't like where modern AAA games have gone: They don't like them because of diversity & whatnot. I don't like them because of them doing the same hyperrealistic graphics bullcrap time & time again, being churned out at rates faster than any realistic amount of time would've allowed them, microtransactions & DLC up the butt, consoles going for prices far beyond what I would willingly pay for(and usually I wouldn't even HAVE enough money to pay for it), etc. Heck, unlike them, I didn't even want a PS4 ever & only got one(well, TWO actually) this year because my dad wanted one(I've been in this living situation for a while now). Indie games I don't play much of, but I do enjoy a lot of the ones I've played, albeit a lot of it is homebrew on older consoles because yeah. 2. I usually go for older games: They go for it because "it was back when nothing was woke garbage". I go for it because it's often CHEAPER to do so, whether I can find a console or game for a low price or can just emulate whatever I feel like playing, the latter especially for games that go for like, a bajillion dollars online. Not to mention despite being Gen Z, I mainly grew up with the PS2 & Sega Genesis games(the latter mostly via AtGames plug-n-plays) on a means of playing on a TV, the rest were emulated. I had a PS3 & some games for it, but that was like the last generation I sorta kept up with.

[@angelsartandgaming]

I've been waiting forever for the Forced Diversity video. I was one of those people who used to think forced diversity was a thing despite the fact I, despite being fluid, mainly identify as my assigned at birth gender (woman), had gay characters, had a trans character before I knew what trans was (and most likely came from exploring my own gender identity), characters of different colors, and other characters that would be considered "woke". But I got mad at the idea that someone would DARE make the same things for reasons I don't know why. I don't know if I parroted my pastors, KZbin of the time, or despite being progressive had my own prejudices that needed checking. Maybe all of the above. But it took a while to realize that the people trying to "force diversity" are just like me. They have their own diverse characters like I do.

[@deathwish-fs1ib]

I always thought the whole reason why Bruce couldn't control Hulk while Jen and others usually could was because he had a form of DID caused from being abused by his father, so its almost literally a split personality take over while with Jen, She-Hulk is still just Jen but more confident.

[@LegacyComics100]

Correct, there’s also the power dynamic between the two that’s prevalent why Jen is weaker than her cousin. She got a sample of his blood while Bruce took the whole rays from the Gamma bomb. The only factor that could contribute to evening them as competitors out is with what Peter David explained when he wrote Gray Hulk(Joe Fixit); Basically this Hulk only comes out at night and gets weakened and harmed whenever the sun comes out, there was a time he was Hulk full time after what happened with Ground Zero, but the sun still takes a toll that Banner would be left in his place. However, Joe is still a major competitor that he has a lot more feats than SSJ3(no eyebrows).

[@OlgaZuccati]

Back in the 2010s when they used the "forced diversity" criticism it was always like "they are re-writing history" or "They are using this as a cheap marketing gimmick", hence it was supposedly "forced", because you're taking something "white" and making it not so, then when people started to make good original properties and new characters with wide appeal and a lot of diversity suddenly it was still somehow "forced" even if there is no thing it is being forced upon. Curious how that works, almost like they just don't like diversity period but are too cowardly to own their own racism.

[@bluebaron6858]

And now it's almost 2025

[@KaiganGhost]

As a nonbinary person, former victim to the countless annals of slop within the internet culture wars... oh, screw it, no need for an essay long comment. Yeah, seriously, screw anyone who dares to promote this. It really does just boil down to priveliege based bigotry and has poisoned discourse of a multitude of subjects so thoroughly that I have no idea how long it's going to take before things seemingly get better. But intelligent people like yourself make the day come that much quicker 💙

[@hedgie_doll2314]

People are complaining about a black Samurai in the new assasins creed game while I'm still complaining about how they made Cleopatra british, a sex symbol, and not very smart or a good ruler in ac origins. Seriously though, that game is the worst of the Layla trilogy.

[@toastytoast310]

Also wasn't historically a black samurai that existed in Japan? I think his name is Yasuke,

[@georgwilliamfriedrichhegel5744]

I've always thought it's ridiculous (and kind of funny) when middle-aged (usually, but not always) dudes have an existential meltdown because some random character from a random media property that no one has thought about in 30 years in now a different race or gender. And so many of them treat this with such dire seriousness, like it's the Cuban missile crisis or something. It just seems hard to take them seriously, and it's obvious to me that they are playing a character in order to make money (or maybe as some kind of 4d-chess performance art piece)...sort of like a bizarro Nostalgia Critic or AVGN, where the character and their reactions to such trivial things is no longer the joke.

[@OlgaZuccati]

the thing is that in their eyes white men are the mcs of the universe, by having media bring in "diversity" what is being torn down is that persistent mythology they built which justifies everything else that follows (colonialism, sexism, capitalism, racism, chauvinistic bootlicking, etc).

[@Level_1_Frog]

The most attractive man on yt strikes again with over 2 hours of media criticism ❤

[@danevisser1927]

The pronouns one is always gonna be funny

[@Grf1556]

The far-right war against the English language is as funny as it is stupid.

[@SammyRobinson62232]

27:19 But every single time we do make a new characters. Y’all still complaining about “force diversity”. We can’t win either way 🙄

[@tVt2000]

We can’t change existing characters and can’t make our own, they want us to do nothing

[@gekirobo8720]

@@tVt2000 IMO, More like they don't want diverse characters in a way that only exist to reinforce some harmful stereotypes and be the butt of some very bigoted "jokes".

[@thesmileman6931]

I was one of those guys who told other people to make their own games, movies, or shows if they wanted diversity. When they did, did I bitch about it? No. Anti-woke culture is based purely off of going with the flow of what everyone else is doing and following the hivemind. They want freedom of speech yet when it is something relating to LGBTQ, BLM, or other "woke" topics, they immediately try to silence it because it's "harmful" or "wrong" which is contradictory to what they want. Most of those guys are just young men who want approval or like 40 year old men who need to grow up.

[@gekirobo8720]

@@thesmileman6931 It's less about ACTUAL freedom of speech and more about the freedom to be an absolute waste disposal of a person.

[@ninegearcrow]

Dang, two minutes in and I already get the aural rollover car crash of having to listen to the voices of Robot.jpg, Will Jordan and Dr. Pronouns back-to-back. This video's gonna be a banger, I can feel it.

[@apieceofbitsandpieces342]

What’s also important to take into consideration with a lot of these anti-Woke Grifters is that a majority of the time, They’ll claim victory over something they had little part or any part in. Currently I’ve seen some say that Ubisoft is going under because of “wokeness” from their Star Wars game and not decades of poor financial decisions, terrible launches of their games, and even just controversial practices in their games like delisting and shutting support for The Crew. Hell, they claim Concord failed because it was “Woke characters” despite the fact that people who they could claim were “woke” also found the characters to not be rather unappealing. The reason for this is they want to make it seem like they have more impact than they realistically have. Saying “Wokeness bankrupted this company and we did it.” comes off a lot better and more like they did something of note compared to the reality of “We review bombed an already not well received game that isn’t doing well.”

[@Jerome_M_0]

Me when it turns out the anti woke KZbinr never actually cared about the franchise they were talking about and just wanted money:

[@ExtremeWreck]

Exactly. It's not a shocker, it's just basic facts.

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

I gave these people too much benefit of the doubt. Its really easy to lie to people who don't watch the show, and I really need to form my own opinions.

[@Thareldis]

I'm seeing this also here in the comments right now.. people saying crap like "But Arcane (or any other clearly progressive show) is not woke", as if "woke" meant somwthing bad, just because the show is actually fucking good, while it is both woke in the traditional sense and woke by default for any "anty sjw" because it fits their typical targets by having women and people of colour in prominent roles.

[@InfinitySevens]

Honestly I just feel "woke" media should actually just refer to "media that makes a point about sociopolitical injustices" and not "it prominently features minorities and women I can't goon to"

[@andreabanuelosavila2317]

When the announcement for Zootopia 2 came around, I saw a comment begging for the sequel to not be “woke trash”, and I responded with “The original Zootopia would be considered woke too, you know?” and the one who made the comment tried to respond with “Zootopia is not woke!” in many different ways.

[@princeapoopoo5787]

I'm glad you brought up the marketing and capitalistic side of this. I've been trying to articulate my problems with "forced diversity", because for the most part, I don't think it exists _in the way_ the grifters do. I think you did fantastically at explaining the subject at as many angles as possible. great video I'm off to play my woke-ass Dragon Age game now

[@mogscugg2639]

The beatles being an all-hwite british rock band, a medium invented by black americans, wasn't forced diversity to these people, but miles morales is 🤡

[@carpeXnoctem12]

This is such a great point that I never see people bring up. "Forced diversity" somehow isn't a thing when things are white washed. Even Jesus has been white washed for Western culture. White washing literally fits the definition of forced diversity. That just doesn't click for small minded individuals because it appeals to them. Throw in a country that was built on appealing to straight white men, inclusion of anyone else starts to look like oppression to them. And that's why we're in the shitshow we are in now.

[@TheVeritas1]

Boom!

[@lee-likes-birds]

So excited to see this! Been looking forward to it for a bit! Will edit this once I finish to share what I specifically liked!

[@t.d.mcintosh]

I'm pretty Right-wing myself (Libertarian) and I cannot tell you how tired I am of these Anti-Woke YT bros. Keep making these vids!👌

[@Johnspartan296]

Ew. Imagine being right wing

[@t.d.mcintosh]

@Johnspartan296 Um. Ok ig? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@t.d.mcintosh]

​@@Johnspartan296 Ok, I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@ninegearcrow]

I think the most shocking reveal of this video so far is that "Ya Boi Zack" is a 50 year old thumb-looking boomer named Richard. Up is down, black is white, reality has lost all meaning for me.

[@RequiemNocturne1]

Patricia Taxxon did a video on Forced Diversity in response to Dishonored Wolf a long time ago. It's probably one of the better responses to this topic.

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

There's a massive irony around High Guardian Spice, given that Crunchyroll *wanted* a token queer show to appeal to the "diversity" crowd, but shot themselves in the foot because they didn't care enough to give the creators a decent budget. It's clear the art itself was intended to be a genuine queer, diverse fantasy story, but because Crunchyroll as a studio only wanted tokenism, they gave the team the absolute bare minimum to achieve it. The fact the story and characters turned out so good is a testament to the strength of the creative vision in the face of executive meddling.

[@bob171]

Why are these anti woke people so against just respecting others and being kind? Why is it so cool to be rude these days?

[@theghostcreator776]

I don't think racists, misogynists, and transphobes know what being kind or respect is

[@limberlad]

I'm fully in the camp of including a diverse range of characters in any of my media. Race/gender swapping on the surface doesn't really bother me. It's when a project is marketing itself on that fact to try and get the good will from the left and progressives. Most projects that get lambasted for forced diversity are never in good faith. Even worse, when a project is all-round bad, and has diversity, those anti-woke types blame that for it's failure rather than the actual weaknesses. However, there was one instance where I sort of felt where those naysayers were coming from, and I had to look deeper into why it was really bothering me in this one instance. In the third, and fourth seasons of Young Justice, the writers were clearly trying to tell socially conscious stories. However, the whole thing lacked any sort of subtlety. When the messaging is so at the forefront of every single ark, that takes the place of any sort of meaningful character or story development. The Martian race war is a clear example. It's like an expanded out version of Star Trek's "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", except it's hitting the nail on the head more. They don't deal with any actual difficult or real solutions to these topics like reparations, it's just sheer pandering.

[@coldcall9563]

That's cool bro, but there aren't black elves in Tolkien.

[@ninegearcrow]

@@coldcall9563 Death of the Author, mothertrucker. Also show me anywhere in any of Tolkien's writings where he said "all elves are white and can't be anything other than white." Because there's literally more written evidence in Tolkien's own hand that there shouldn't be any elves with black HAIR than there is that there should be no elves with black skin.

[@Johnspartan296]

​@@coldcall9563"wahhhh, black people, wahhhh!"

[@Magicghost23]

The Comment section on this one’s gonna be Is it gonna be a war zone.

[@harlannguyen4048]

You don't say?

[@arrontheprotogen9276]

HERE IT COMES!

[@Terminalsanity]

Discussing race in "Ancient Egypt" is always a sticky issue because Egypt has been continuously civilized, populated, region for over 5,000 years & Cleopatra's era is literally closer to the modern day than it is to the Middle Kingdom period when Pyramids at Giza were built throughout that time the peoples who populated Egypt was in constant shift as Egypt both conquering & integrating surrounding kingdoms & peoples (Seriously the entire history of Ancient Egypt begins with Upper Egypt conquering Lower Egypt ), and being conquered & integrated by Outside invaders like the Hyksos, Alexander the Great, & the Romans. So the "Race" of the Egyptians depends on the era you're referring to and the more time passed the more mixed the population became or time so less clear the answer becomes frequently with the ruling class consisting mostly of the latest conquering group. If you want the most basic Cliff notes version: The Egyptians during the Old & Middle kingdom periods would be primarily what would now considered Black or sub-Saharan African until they were conquered by the Hyksos for 800 years who were a Semitic/Persian people which drastically changed the Racial make up of Egypt going into the New Kingdom period onward so there was pretty much an increasing trend of more Semitic/Persian/Arabic peoples within Egypt with occasional European invaders adding to the mix now & again.(Again that's the most basic Cliff notes version there's no way distill all the nuances of 5,000 years of history I mean Egypt was ruled by Nubians at one point its a massively complex history literally among the longest histories currently known)

[@user-dh1un9lk9f]

Having this and the new Shaun video come out so close together is a treat

[@dinadina2000]

ewww don't not insult Ant by comparing him to Shaun

[@officialmonarchmusic]

Ant, I'm about 3 minutes into the video, and it might be too early to comment this, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people get sucked into this cult by being convinced that "forced diversity" is what causes bad writing, or has a direct link to it. Hopefully you expose that arbitrary link as false, because I think that's an important part of debunking the whole idea. But I'll edit my comment when I get farther in

[@MrNarcus]

This is honestly why this is all so frustrating to me, it's that the people who are responsible for creating these diverse and inclusive characters can't seemingly create a compelling, and good story to save their lives. They aren't writing these diverse characters to create an organic relatable character that we as the consumer can attach to and feel for. They aren't doing it so that the LGBTQ+ community can finally get the representation they deserve. They are instead pandering to the community, which to me is no worse than zero diversity. To basically get everyone to shutup and stop complaining. But my partner is non-binary, and I love to and want to tell them about these new character being introduced into stories that aren't straight white dudes, it makes them feel good and hopeful for the future of media that this stuff is more common place, but at the same time I'm equally infuriated because these same characters are so horribly written it's hard not to feel like it's done with an ulterior motive. When a beloved source material gets used for this stuff, while at the same time not even being true to it, you can't expect fans to be okay with that either. But you also can't criticize the writing without people thinking you're part of the chud gang that hates "wokeness". Taash in DA:V is a perfect example of this pandering. It's not even that they are non binary, it's not that it is a focus of their personal quest. It's that the character feels like it's been written by someone that is coming from one singular, very specific, lived experienced that is self-inserted with own projections into the character. Written in a way that doesn't fit the tone or vibe of the source material. You can't expect people to love your characters when it feels like you've never taken a creative writing class and taken all of your writing advice from Lily Orchard. There are trans creators on youtube that specifically break this character down and explain why Taash is such bad representation. People shouldn't be getting upset that there is diversity and inclusivity in video games, comics, or other media. People should be getting pissed off that these characters are so poorly written, that it feels like the representation and portrayal is purely to placate and pander to the community, and this writing is literally coming from the community. It IS possible to write compelling, lovable, and relatable characters that are also diverse and coming from a place of inclusivity. Take everything I say with a grain of salt as I'm a cis white dude, but I'm also an ally. And want the LGBTQ+ community to have GOOD written characters. NOT pandered characters.

[@bluebaron6858]

Wha?

[@MrNarcus]

@@bluebaron6858 Apologies if it seems disjointed, a big chunk of what I typed was replying to another comment, and then I also wanted to make this same point in general. The point I'm getting at is that a lot of characters that are written in a lot of media that are non cis white people, that the "chuds" try to shit on, are actually just horribly written characters, and because they are written poorly, they then end up being poor representation for those communities the creators are trying to be inclusive to. A commentor earlier talked about feeling bad about criticizing these characters being poorly written, when it's all they currently have right now. But I disagreed and said they have every right to expect a well represented and written character that is diverse.

[@caseymckenna7111]

I may end up leaving another comment as I’m only 18 minutes into this, but I gotta say.. Bendis is a goddamn hack. Other than creating Miles, all he’s ever done is pick up a book, spend 3 issues seeding potentially interesting ideas and then does nothing with them until he’s about to move onto the next series, often at the expense of both the previous and future writers.

[@Tacom4ster]

This shall be your masterpiece, you about to blow up in popularity :D Great job

[@Demolitiondude]

2:05:06 yes, it does. Not only it exists, you completely overlooked the obvious example. So obvious that you can see it from alpha centauri. Games workshop crowbaring female custodes in the adeptus custodes. Not only going against established lore dating back to 3rd edition Warhammer 40k, but never really invested making physical models for the alleged new edition. And we're talking about a company who makes sure that if a piece drops there's both lore and a model ready for sale like the malcador battle tank and primaris marines. Not to mention the only dated screen appearance of a female custodes. Not only a Mary Sue, but plot armor so incredibly thick that no tyranid blood and gore touches the power armor from point blank bolter fire. That kind of ammo explodes after entry into a target's body. Her presence overshadows the real stars the adeptus arbites. Of the squad four died protecting the tithe and still got blamed for laxed discipline.

[@florallychaotic]

Comment for the algorithm cause man this isn't a video I can watch while working black friday on the floor so sending you good vibes that the algorithm is kind and the comments stay clean 🫡💗

[@starbird3939]

This reminds me of tvtropes and how shows like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were given the anvilicious tropes because they talked about… being a victim of abuse or being a black man in the city. Like… it almost felt like for TvTropes, any representation or discussion of social issues was “anvilicious”

[@dinadina2000]

Any explicit discussion of a thing is “shoving it down your throat” for tvtropes

[@ExtremeWreck]

They once had "Some Anvils Need To Be Dropped" as a showcase that sometimes it's not bad, but sadly that seems to have been obliterated out of existence.

[@dreamycarnival4400]

tv tropes is weird with its tropes, but the website feels very "up their ass" about certain things that it sucks

[@crowofrevenge3292]

I hate reactionaries when it comes to super hero media criticism, because they make fair analysis, while not hard, difficult to get people to see it as such. Like, some people still get upset when you acknowledge that media like she hulk are poorly writen because they think you're being a reactionary, no matter how reasonable your problems with the show are

[@The_one_goblin]

I’ve been excited for this! I’m a storyteller and honestly I’m scared of the reactions I’ll get someday. Maybe this’ll help me feel better about it :)

[@BudewFan_]

Pronouns guy reminds me of my comp1 teacher All the English teachers at my in middle and HS taught to never use pronouns bc of ambiguity, but comp1 teacher hates how awkward repeating names can sound and every 4 seconds she screams “PRONOUNS USE MORE PRONOUNS” shit kills me everytime

[@larsbrown9933]

My brief time in orbit of these big crybabies and the crowdfunding comic guys. I think 2019 was such a crossroad year for me. I went to San Diego Comic Con and a friend of mine had me go to the panel that had a bunch of 90's era comic guys at it. I remember Brian Pullido was there and someone mentioned EVS being salty that he wasn't. So there's a bunch of 90's era guys milking crowdfunding for money but they also got Jimmy Palmiotti up there because he'd essentially been one of them but obviously had gone way beyond what they limited themselves to be. He even said "I'm not sure I'm in the right panel," and I could relate. We briefly met up with Doug TenNapel after that and he had also made like $850K off of his Earthworm Jim crowdfund book. When I first met him in 2005 he HATED being associated with Earthworm Jim because the rights had been taken from him. By this point however he had them back. I haven't seen him again since then, I'd known him for years but I walked away and it didn't seem to matter. I also met up with Reagan Lodge because it hadn't yet come out that he was in deep in far-right forums at the time. He apparently had been edging out of that and into Orthodox Christianity at that moment because he brought up his concern about his former Marine buddies but couldn't articulate it into problems with the far-right or what the problem was. That's ultimately why I had to separate from him on Twitter like if he had come out against that position I might have stood firm and let my publisher block my Twitter but he didn't. He couldn't address those problems and he can't ultimately see what is wrong and I couldn't be around my old forum friends anymore. Probably saw Ethan Niccole briefly as well before he moved from Babylon Bee to Daily Wire. Last I talked to him he was "JOKING" that BLM protestors should be run over and then chided me for my increasing 'liberalness'. Anyway Doug moved on to NFT grifts (of course) then political commentary grift before getting kicked off of KZbin twice. His reasoning was that comics weren't making money anymore. Sigh.

[@kenlee4356]

27:00 fun fact: in a (maybe?) Deleted video. Eric says that miles is a character that stands on his own as a character

[@Silver_Paladin]

What's sort of funny about this is, I was kinda expecting to disagree with your views despite aligning similarly on the left, because the idea of forced diversity in my mind was very different from how you see it But while there are some things I still disagree with, I agree with most of your points and at the least see your perspective and like your explanations on it I think it feels racist for people to lean on established white characters and then race swap them, I see it no different than stealing a black creation and turning it white, but I use miles morales as an example of diversity done right, I feel like that character respects the existing version of spiderman that is peter parker and adapts the hero of spiderman into a new and great version that is black I found it interesting to point out the common right wing complaints of media are inconsistent with the subject matter they are complaining about it and lines up more directly with the quality of the work, I think there's some nuance to it like I see some 'diversity' as instead corporate entities or Hollywood etc as exploiting minorities cultures in order to profit off those people by using it in bad faith, but when it's done well and if those people accept it as part of their culture then it's not just alright but a good thing

[@kpunk]

@18:45 Jim Jefferies with the effortless clapback

[@Skyking549]

Comment!!!! Engagement!!!!! Ill edit this after i watch the video.

[@someguythatdoesstuff7658]

Currently watching through this BANGER. The KZbin video I was looking foward to seeing the most.

[@iammatthewdavid03]

Looks like we got a classic in our hands

[@mysticblue108]

1:57:23 the fact many men will out of shame or fear of reactions of society to them having large pecs will get too surgery and tucks. Dwayne the rock Johnson is someone who did this 2:00:11 also this version of the tmnt characters are more preteens than adults playing high schoolers

[@kenlee4356]

12:03 i have a slight feeling that someday he will have an "incident" in a foreign country 😉

[@USOEnjoyer]

As for the Assassin Creed game, do these people feel black people were not around or successful pre MLK?

[@daelen.cclark]

As a white guy: I agree that white should never be the default.

[@audreyharris7643]

Isn't the group that's the majority in any country the default in media? Usually anyway

[@MelissaWickersham-k4o]

Most populated countries actually don’t have white as the default. China, Japan, North and South Korea, South Africa, etc are majority non-white countries. The countries that have rising birth rates tend to be economically poor and a large fraction of those countries are non-white.

[@harlannguyen4048]

Then what should the default be then?

[@audreyharris7643]

@@harlannguyen4048 I guess the default could be any group instead of mainly white people Where anyone could come to mind instead of an average Joe that's usually white

[@MelissaWickersham-k4o]

@@harlannguyen4048 Maybe there should be no default at all. Maybe the race of a character should be at the whim of the writer, and the race of a country’s people should be left to chance.

[@etanmess5572]

i like the evangelion reference in the title

[@LostTech-Priest]

Whoa skullgirls mentioned

[@undisclosedmusic4969]

Amazing as ever

[@Veemycobblestone]

in my mind, forced diversity is not “this character is not a cis white man” but instead is “this company is creating characters who are not white, cis, and male, but is writing them as though they are not for the sake of writing a good, interesting stories and characters, but instead for the sake of selling a product and generating positive media attention” then again, my experience only comes as a aromantic asexual and gender non-conforming individual. i cannot speak for the experiences of poc individuals, so i am very open to criticism on this matter. i’m just tired of Character who is functionally a straight guy with a “minority identity” slapped on without much care

[@Mr.Maguro]

Not to justify how Miles was treated, but it didn't help he didn't have much to make him stand out on his comic book debut prior to the Spider-Verse movie. Instead of a sociable and artistic teen, he's, like Peter, an intelligent shy kid raised by a poor family. You read the first issue of Spider-Man 2099, featuring Miguel O'Hara, who's has a mexican and irish descent, and there is *so* much that's different from Peter Parker. It's a complete subversion. You'd think the character more similar to Peter would be more well-liked (in the comics, Miguel's antagonism in the ATSV has made him more unpopular) but, nah...

[@Mr.Maguro]

I wonder how folks would react to the cyberpunk elements of 2099 if Spider-Verse even bothered to tackle them... like, Miguel's nemesis is straight up Elon Musk, right down to wanting to take humanity to mars.

[@IrisBobiris3]

1:19 This genuinely sounds like satire

[@mrwho6163]

Damn! 2 hours. I bet your script is in a novel-length

[@harlannguyen4048]

He's becoming a long man. Just like Mauler and the people he criticizes.

[@dillon1037]

I didn't think I'd like Gideon the Ninth but it was pretty great.

[@WantedRaiderism]

Ive been waiting for this!

[@AlleyCatUwU]

@1:09:03 Ready for round two?! (*꒦ິ꒳꒦ີ)

[@1-eye-willy]

2024 the year of reaction 😂

[@occultcrusader]

In regards to the trans section of the video, a lot of anthropological research shows us that transgender identities and more complex, layered views of genders predate most of today's civilisations and existed in many indigenous cultures. So we basically had a tremendous regression in our view of gender, and now these people like to gaslight us into thinking this is all brand new.

[@androsh9039]

Thank you!

[@steinarvilnes3954]

The change is not really more diversity though. I feel that especially Black male characters are different now from what they used to be like. I remember in the eighties black male characters were usually masculine, cool and charismatic, while black characters later feel more like whiners(just like the white male characters really). Back then, it felt like black characters were often included to make media better. Take for example the late seventies war movies Force 10 From Navarone If they had not added Carl Weathers, that movie had felt a lot more old fashioned and stale. Also, the Morgan Freeman characters feel kind of out of place in Price of Thieves, but it does not matter because both Freeman and the characters are awesome so it did not bother anyone. So I basically feel that I dislike something about new big budget movies, but it is not diversity. It is something else I have difficult to identify to be honest. I do however, see that I have a lot of stuff with female dominated cast(but not The Acolyte for some reason), but absolutely NOT Lioness, Gen V and Furiosa, and got quite a bit upset the chuds dunked on the last one. Seems female characters work better when it is not Disney?

[@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou]

Finally...

[@SaiScribbles]

1:17:00 Gonna disagree again (just assume I agree with everything else in the video 😂) Yasuke as a playable main character in AC Shadows doesn't make alot of sense and it kind of comes at the cost of having Japanese lead in a game about Japan. Asian actors are able to get so few roles as it is and Asian people in general are rarely depicted heroically in Western media. Having him as one of Nobunaga's retainers? Have him be a supporting character and quest giver? Yes! That would make sense! But not having both leads of the game be Japanese? ESPECIALLY with all the cultural insensitivity and inaccuracy UbiSoft has demonstrated in the development of this game? Not a good look.

[@yurifairy2969]

comment for the algo

[@IsoMacintosh]

Overwatch is a game where most of the female characters are conventionally attractive that has big R34 fanbase, it also got massive backlash for lack of black characters, it is not a good example of woke game. Also go woke go broke is not some scientific fact, it's a saying, so there is no reason to assume the inverse would be true, that's just ridiculous.

[@nattythepanda4692]

"Go woke go broke" is an argument that chuds constantly spout anytime something they consider "woke" fails, that's why the inverse is said, because we have several more examples and evidence that "go woke go broke" is the opposite of what actually happens.

[@mysticblue108]

Wooooooo!!! Let’s goooo

[@ngrey651]

Also, you’re misrepresenting how box office works. A movie has to make double its budget back to succeed, and you’re pretending otherwise for Ghostbusters 2016. Why?

[@agramuglia]

I don't think I said otherwise.

[@ngrey651]

@@agramugliayou did, you said it “grossed more” and that more people went to see it. That ignores the per capita of who went to see it. “Gross” is how much money you make in profit. It’s how much you make before stuff like budget and taxes are taken out. So Afterlife grossed more. And when you remember the 2016 film, Sony put it in more theaters, it was in 4,315 theaters whilst Afterlife was in 3,963, so despite being in hundreds less theaters, more folks kept going back to see Afterlife than Ghostbusters 2016.

[@moonielivee4836]

Yes yes yes yes yes

[@AJ-xc4qe]

[sigh] I’m gonna get called a bigot even though I’m not. I’ve made the same comment in the Spider-Man video but in case you haven’t watched the video… One of my biggest pet peeves is when adaptations swap a part of someone else’s character’s identity without the creators’ consent. Whether it’s race or gender or sexuality or anything else. I always hated it and I still hate it. I don’t care which side of the fandom or just argument you’re on. You have to agree that it’s lazy and insulting. I just want to make this clear: I hate straightwashing as much as gaywashing or racewashing or genderwashing when the character’s creator isn’t in check. And I’m already lenient when said character’s identity is touched when their creators are still alive and I’m forced to believe that in the best case scenario, they accept it. Like Star-Lord being portrayed in a comic arc as a polyamorous bisexual or the MCU portraying Phastos as a gay man with a husband when he had a wife in the comics. There are some exceptions I would accept on "changing" a character's race, gender or sexuality. 1. The characters' creators give the writers permission. 2. Create alternate versions of the characters. Like doppelgangers from other dimensions. Or clones raised in different societies. 3. Create your own version of the character with a different name. 4. The characters' race or sexual orientation was never made clear even by the creators 5. Only public domain characters are fine to change up. I grew up enjoying Brandy's Cinderella because it felt less like leftover casting for bad adaptations or clickbait or gaslighting critics as racist and more like colorblind casting. With public domain IPs, anyone can do anything with that IP. But when it comes to franchises companies DO own, some of them are taken advantage of without the creators' consent.

[@ZaiDrizzleDrop]

oh HELL YEAH

[@Kurriochi]

47 seconds ago, ok.

[@bluebaron6858]

Yep

[@Dr.Mlieko]

- Looks at Concord, Dustborn, and Veilguard Nope, I em 100% certain that forced diversity DOES exist

[@thenightmonkey5932]

@Dr.Mlieko No, it doesn't those games just sucked It has nothing to do with diversity

[@ngrey651]

Ben Reilly isnt Spider Man either, he’s the Scarlet Spider. Otto was NEVER Spider Man, he was a thief and coward. If you were actually a fan of Spider-Man, you would never have said something so stupid as calling DOCTOR OCTOPUS “Spider-Man”.

[@agramuglia]

Ben Reilly becomes Spider-Man after being Scarlet Spider

[@kemelalexander27]

Fam Otto's run as Spiderman is literally called Superior Spider-Man

[@dragfang3723]

I actually disagree with this mind set and statement

[@harlannguyen4048]

Most people do. It's just that Ant and his buddies live in a bubble.

[@audreyharris7643]

@harlannguyen4048 in your own words what makes what ant says wrong?

[@Johnspartan296]

​@harlannguyen4048 No, most people don't disagree with it. Most people either agree, or just don't care enough. It's weirdos that complain about it.

[@bluebaron6858]

​@@harlannguyen4048you live in a bubble

[@SaiScribbles]

30:24 I do think Carano getting fired was unfair and a stupid move by Disney. She was being harassed by Twitter crazies for months for not having pronouns in her bio, after politely declining to do so, and then got really sarcastic by putting beep/bop/boop in her bio because of the "bots" blowing up her notifications calling her a fat bitch among other things. I think that kind of militant and frankly misogynistic behavior from people who consider themselves "progressive" needs to be called out.

[@Johnspartan296]

1, She didn't get fired. Disney just didn't renew her contract. 2, they didn't renew it because she was saying anti Semitic things.

[@agramuglia]

That.... wasn't why she was fired. It was the Holocaust comments.

[@SaiScribbles]

@@agramuglia You only talked about her supposedly saying bad things about trans people in the video when you brought her up. That was definitely part of it too. What she said comparing Conservatives getting criticized to the Holocaust is stupid but she isn't the first or last person to pull out the Holocaust, Jews or Nazis when complaining about how oppressed they feel.

[@agramuglia]

@@SaiScribbles Yeaaaah, all of it adds up, though. Like, at a certain point, she becomes too much of a controversy magnet for a company like Disney to want that attached to their family friendly image. For better or worse, when you play with the Mouse, it needs to be by the Mouse's rules...

[@ScorpionZam]

You're not smart

[@agramuglia]

Never said I was

[@ScorpionZam]

@@agramuglia KZbin flags my comment if I call you what I wanted to

[@error10137]

People like to have good content. If the goal is to be diverse, rather then being good. It will fail. Also don't use so many abject failures as "good" examples.

[@LegacyComics100]

Okay, if Forced Diversity doesn’t exist(even though morally mandated and superficial are more appropriate); then tell me what is wrong with HBO Watchman? What takes up the majority of the narrative, and tell me how exactly did Dr. Manhattan regain his humanity?

[@agramuglia]

Nothing is wrong with HBO's Watchmen. It was superb.

[@judeblack4360]

You tell me. I thought it was pretty close to flawless.

[@ericharris1721]

If it's anything like the comic it's probably better than Zack synyders 💀💀💀

[@asarishepard8171]

I like your channel msn but i have to disagree with the title alone. Im gay too so you know. But not everyones gay. Shoving it in is always done in a ham fisted way without story that ive sewn over the past few years, thats what everyone is complaining about. Anyway hope you had a good turkey day 😊

[@Johnspartan296]

Name one example of this happening.

[@asarishepard8171]

@Johnspartan296 ahem, everything marvel and Disney to name a few. Shall I go on?

[@nattythepanda4692]

@@asarishepard8171 If you have to say "Everything Marvel and Disney" but you can't actually specify an example, you have no argument, we want actual examples.

[@asarishepard8171]

@nattythepanda4692 agatha all along, the acolyte to begin with. Boy aren't you trying to be me right. Can't have a difference of opinion can we? Its such a terrible thing for you ( rolls eyes)

[@ParkerRobertson-t8m]

Hope you get picked

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

I should say that one of the main problems with force diversity is that it damages the story. There is a difference between Disney’s The Princess and the Frog(TPATF) and The Acolyte. The diversity in TPATF in is a part of the story and they are just charters. While in The Acolyte, the diversity is the advertisement and the story it’s in is mediocre at best. Obviously it’s more complex than anyone could explain in a paragraph, but that is the main difference.

[@bluebaron6858]

Sure jan

[@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463]

The only difference is the quality and race doesn’t determine it.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

It's writing not about diversity.

[@Xkittyloverr1997]

Bad writing is bad writing. It has nothing with the presence or lack of diversity.

[@kaihedgie1747]

Okay, explain how (forced) diversity actually hurts the story "The diversity is the advertisement" How? "The story is mediocre at best" Because...? "Obviously it's more complex than anyone could explain in a paragraph" That just sounds more like admitting you have zero idea of what you're talking about and won't even put more than half a thought into your argument

[@zanitzeuken]

Hiring. Quotas.

[@AnonAmouse-d2t]

If it's woke, it's not art, it's fan fiction.

[@agramuglia]

Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno are fanfiction. What's your point?

[@SubrosianDimitri]

You do realize that fan fiction is a kind of art, right?

[@mipy1490]

this comment is funny because not only is fanfiction art but if something woke has a completely original setting and characters what tf is it a fanfiction of 😭😭

[@Jerome_M_0]

Bro is onto nothing 🤯

[@julienakpillankford1609]

Comment for the algorithm. Looking forward watching this! 💛🤍💜🖤