Forcing my Fans to Fight in Factorio for my Amusement

[@omega4679]

You can’t hide from pyanodons forever dosh

[@RiskOfBaer]

Can't be worse than other things he has done.

[@willamyte]

Idk, Pyanadons is pyanadons

[@PBallard71807]

@@RiskOfBaeroh it can

[@benjaminroffey6782]

@@RiskOfBaer I can beat Seablock, SE and Cube in the time it takes to get to Purple science in Py. It's far, far worse

[@michaeldonoghue9015]

I’ve been playing Pyanodons since I was just out of the womb. I’m 40 now.

[@AtrakKarta]

Dosh: We attacked their base, but they strangely weren't there. Other team: We attacked Dosh's base, but they strangely weren't-WAIT A MINUTE!

[@charksey]

lol!

[@hiddenTNT]

"annnnd its a base trade"

[@lubieplacki2772]

in ur base killin ur doodz

I wonder if they wouldn't have rushed to defense but instead rushed to destroy dosh's silo, maybe they could've won. Depends where the defending guy was at the time of dosh's attack.

[@sdoo-ou2ni]

Everyone back to the base

[@officer_baitlyn]

p.e. teacher has joined the team kinda vibe

[@yuminago]

When the physics professor asks you to teach the class, but you actually know what you're doing xd

[@YaBoiTem]

Idk if it's a dedicated game mode, but there's a server that hosts "biter battles" which instead of destroying silos yourself, you have to consume science packs in order to evolve the biters on the enemy's half of the map, with later science packs contributing more to evolution. Could be interesting to see what becomes of it

[@DoshDoshington]

So it's like one of those warcraft competitive tower defense maps except runs off of industry. Interesting

[@ArcDemon74096]

they have to rebalance it though, cause both teams rush for flamethrowers and then thats kinda it for like 2 hours

[@Code_Machine]

Interesting

[@democracydemocracy8026]

@@DoshDoshingtonThat's a fairly apt description. I watched a few and even played two rounds. Even though I lost both it's really interesting. Since you are attacked by stupid predictable biters instead of intelligent (YMMV) unpredictable humans, it lets you worry less about getting cheesed out, and instead focusing on pure production to prevent getting overwhelmed and also as your source of attack power. Tying evolution and biter count to your research adds a neat dynamic of "do you spam red science early on to pressure the enemy early game, or do you try to get higher tiers to add more late game power?". Even if you reach 100% evolution, the biters and spitters get modifiers that makes them even stronger, so there's still a tangible reward for going for higher tier science. Might be worth playing one or two rounds to see if it's something you'd enjoy.

[@Ben.....]

@@DoshDoshington That is a reference I am pleasantly surprised you made and I understand. Congratulations

[@dorianhargis6246]

"This base is crap but it is exactly as good at it needs to be." Feels so ominous.

[@lis6502]

I genuinely appreciate this encouragement to try PVP because it's fun but one has to have actual friends to play which might be the limiting factor.

[@DoshDoshington]

Such is life Maybe after 2.0 Wube can focus on what really matters, Ranked Factorio Matchmaking

[@AlguienEnSuCasa]

@@DoshDoshington that would be so fun, balance Factorio for PvP, something like mod "base_pvp", which modifies units to make then work in a PvP environment, and also adds the automatchmaking, with even ELO XDD

[@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo]

​@@DoshDoshingtonwith Battle Royal mode

[@BlueTemplar15]

@@AlguienEnSuCasa Wube's official support would be interesting, but even without that, mods balancing Factorio for PvP have been around for years.

[@vanskis7618]

finding friends that play factorio is very hard

[@miguelcosta9665]

"Fight for me, thats why I pay you!... Well actully...."

[@Blewlongmun]

“Well actually sir you don’t pay us at all” “That’s why I allow them to live”

[@Allentheking337]

3 Dosh videos in a month Holy Cube.

[@alexkaplan1136]

Cool beans

[@bingusbongus9807]

new cube just droped, actual cube, bishop goes to cube gets cubed

[@tohothewriter8002]

Holy bean, you mean.

[@theAmazingJunkman]

@@bingusbongus9807cube storm, incoming!

[@lapisliozuli4861]

@@alexkaplan1136Cool beans

[@kylehess4472]

I’m still kicking myself for leaving the silo undefended.

[@Vesite]

The hubris required to write "beans taste bad" in the middle of team beans's base

[@felcakes2153]

Mindustry (a combat focused, open-source automation game) has a thriving pvp scene. The most common way they do pvp is by playing on a custom map with an "anti-rush wall" which is a structure that divides the map in two and is made of endgame turrets and optimised defenses (custom maps also have predetermined resources instead of random but that's only fun if there are multiple maps). The wall changes the game to rushing endgame resources to make endgame units (there are maps with weaker walls as well that result in mid game all-ins, but I have yet to see those maps appear on the big pvp servers). edit: Mindustry pvp is acknowledged in this video, though based on that footage what I wrote is still relevant.

[@WizardBrandon]

imo rush is a perfectly valid strat to make beginner units actually viable in some cases. most t1 units are actual garbo if you exclude rush

[@felcakes2153]

@@WizardBrandon yeah, hex pvp servers tend to always people on them and that is very much a rush orientated format, so they are definitely popular as well but most pvp servers are anti-rush and have more players

[@jordonlu2872]

15:26 Mindustry Mention

[@davisdf3064]

Also, a thriving "Attack" game mode, in wich the enemy AI has gigantic base that we need to destroy. Honestly, one of the most fun ways to play Mindustry.

[@QTwoSix]

Happy to see this game get some recognition

[@eldoctoroso]

B E A N B O Y S -Dosh"Beans"Doshington

[@totallynotasupervillain9896]

Bean Boys Incorporated

[@erichzannbusoumuzan]

Unpunished "Big Bean" Doshington

[@IAmAlpharius14]

Im more of a CUBE ARYAN myself

[@pogfrog1975]

Your territory is forfeit to bean boys incorporated

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Getting your patrons to play for your (and our) amusement is an obvious-but-brilliant way to build on the fun of the last video. Would enjoy a series of these, every so often, especially if the spectator camera can be improved with modding.

[@silasary]

Four teams definitely makes the dynamic more interesting.

[@Systox25]

I would watch this as a big live event!!! Factorio League when?

[@timothymclean]

When there are enough Factorio PvP teams for a league and enough viewers to financially justify those teams devoting a significant chunk of time to automation esports.

[@BlueTemplar15]

Check out Factorio War by Yogscast, they did several Factorio PvP games over the years, I think the biggest one topping around 100vs100 ?

[@Systox25]

@@BlueTemplar15 yogscast played Factorio?

[@BlueTemplar15]

@@Systox25 Well yes, they, and their sub-channels have a bunch of Factorio videos ranging from 8 years old to 14 hours old...

[@Systox25]

@@BlueTemplar15 I saw that but it’s more vod like.

[@dzaki8331]

ah yes mindustry hex factorio edition

[@bobbycrofts9241]

No unit production but its close enough

[@RivLabs]

​@@bobbycrofts9241I mean, if you can get remote spidertrons...

[@leomathguy]

Gets v6 zenith blast compound flashbacks

[@s0LLagal]

Mindustry PvP gave me PTSD

[@QTwoSix]

​@@s0LLagalit's pretty fun though

[@NagronCZ]

Ive been trying to play PVP with someone for like the las 1,5yrs, so Im extremely glad seing it now on your channel so I can actually enjoy it finally

[@skateerdud]

bruh same, I wish there was a place to do public battles or something

[@OHYisWatching]

I am all up for more matches being commentated by dosh Maybe have a tournament or something

[@tylerdeverell3965]

Curious if banning vehicles (maybe until a certain time limit) might help mix things up? That might change it into more of a base battle, of trying to place turrets and walls and artillery. I dunno, some "tourney rules" are definitely in order at least.

[@axiolot5857]

@@tylerdeverell3965 it'd be cool but i feel like artilerry would be pretty op

[@skilz8098]

The Mindustry reference was great!

[@Izzybelled]

This was truly incredible to participate in, I'll gladly take my "almost beating dosh" trophy now

[@maxresdefault3850]

Mindustry is great

[@Syz_gy]

Oh my god two in two days? Woo! Even if it's short, I'm glad to see it.

[@sevi630]

I was smiling like an idiot throughout this whole video - would absolutely love a couple more. Props to the guy that placed the "team beans bad" signs.

[@bobbobkilu]

its wildly impractical but I wonder how PVP would look with space exploration. The toolset you unlock with that mod is truly wild, and the idea of players starting on totally different planets from each other and being forced to tech up far enough to engage each other is neat.

[@Delmworks]

To be honest though, with how long space exploration is you’d never get it to work. You’d need 30 hours of work before they could even begin to fight eachother

[@MarcLucksch]

@@Delmworksand then it’s just: Whoever gets the Energy Emitter on the Sun first wins

[@samuelloomis9714]

If it takes 30 hours to get anywhere, then accelerate each team's factory and tech by 30 hours. This way, it doesn't take forever and come down to the best speedrunner.

[@afurryferret]

@@MarcLucksch the dev has put (some) work into pvp, you tech umbrellas much earlier and they take much less energy block an emitter than the emitter does to fire

[@WizardBrandon]

sadly its been 2 years and still isnt supported properly

[@LiliumOrientalis]

Mindustry mentioned‼️‼️‼️

[@TheOrange3Juice]

Even a lower effort Dosh video is still a Dosh video, gotta get the popcorn

[@gabrielbr1459]

Nice to see mindustry being cited 😮

[@MrGrannyStylez]

that was way more fun than expected! I would watch more of this sort of video. thanks for giving the pvp another try

[@mikeb8094]

I'd love to see more stuff like this. Your commentary style is perfect for this. Even just a quick and dirty weekly addition to your normal content.

[@Typheaus]

Can't describe how much joy I experience every time you use UT99 music in the videos man. Respect! Incidentally, shows just how old we are :)

[@miklevladykin3422]

Same, I LOVE IT!

[@Rickster9002]

14:50 - Y'know you've got a point here, which makes me wonder if AAI vehicles would be enough to add that "RTS" element with the controllable vehicles. I could see a chain gunner rush being wildly effective and turn into counter play through no-mans-land skirmishes to cut off incoming attacks.

[@SkullCrabz]

The thing i think that would make this better would be something like AAI vehicles and a mod called Robot Army which would make the gamemode more about massive robot army fights than small scale PVP engagements.

[@bend.n]

ive tried pvp with aai vehicle chaingunners and the person who makes like 10 chaingunners first instantly wins

[@timothymclean]

@@bend.n Okay, yeah, that makes sense. The whole idea was that robot armies would fundamentally change the game, so whoever changes the game first wins.

[@przemysawchudzik9977]

​@@bend.nMaybe modifying vehicle material and research cost would work?

[@vaelophisnyx9873]

@@bend.n yea Eriandel's idea of balance is goofy. Man shouldn't have been allowed within 60 ft of official dev work

[@igorka5]

best way to do that is to make turrets strong so you dont instantly loose when one of the teams gets 10 chaingunner but they have an advantage in map control for their investment, but team that made a lot of defenses can easily hold on and produce science, also there needs to be something that stops turret rushing and BOOM! you have cheap mindustry in factorio

[@gwch3481]

woah unexpected mindustry mention ‼

[@OzoneDepleter]

Dragon carrying team Beans to victory. As is tradition.

[@alcheminty]

Would absolutely love to see some more PvP videos! Seriously this was so entertaining! Nothing makes game mechanics sing like some healthy competition, eh?

[@DEZERKER63]

im happy to see more PVP, LET THEM FIGHT

[@EchoIrl]

this sounds like a lot of fun.

[@GamerM1235]

As someone who has actually done PvP. You really have to find the right people. I.E. veterans of this game, who are also sorta used to RTS. I.E. playing a round for 40 mins to 3 hours just to die suddenly. I cannot stress enough the importance of more people too. You almost constantly need somebody harassing while others build.

[@igorka5]

if you want factorio pvp play mindustry and not whatever this is

[@KaneYork]

7:30 oh yeah Biter Battles showed us that land mines do a LOT of damage when you know where the enemy is coming from

[@Bestbuster2000]

MINDUSTRY WAS MENTIONED WOOOOOO

[@CameramanTv]

3 videos in less than a month? where is the real Dosh? you damn impostor

[@tigartar]

There are actually some pvp enhancing mods out there last time i checked one out(not sure if it ever got updated) it had better signals to spot player attacks, showed enemy players on minimap when within radar, better starting layout for defenses to stop early rushes, cliffs around bases, lots of customizations to pick from, a few premade maps to select as well, it had a lot of range changes to weapons to make it more fair and lastly it had different win conditions and premade bases that you could select. Last time i checked it out was like 3 years ago so no clue if its still around at all but the custom scenario's for PVP content get quite advanced and fix quite a few issues that vanilla pvp has

[@tigartar]

Oh and to add there was a "PvP MP Mod Pack" on the mod portal from around the same time that does a lot of similar things but also adds in the robot army mod

[@thecoolest0002]

I would love to see you run more of these, even if it’s more of an occasional event 👀

[@deusexmachina3047]

Honestly, Dosh has inspired me to buy a bunch of games. I'm thinking about getting Factorio, after playing a ton of Mindustry, and I bought TowerClimb as well, since I found his video on it interesting. I also bought La Mulana for my dad, since he loves puzzle games, and challenged him to beat it without looking anything up. He's still at it ;). Love the content, and continue making great videos! :)

[@Lvl100Boss]

two dosh vids in a week. god damn

[@CorrodedRyffth]

we eatin good tonight

[@Quickshot0]

There was actually a brief period in factorio history where pvp games got played for a bit, not sure it was the exact same win condition. But things like that are just modifying the exact format really, in any case things got pretty intense at times in some of those games, and even ended up including some of the speedrunners at times, meaning base buildup could happen surprisingly quickly. And the dynamics were a bit like you described, with a back and forth between various weapons and methods to try and resist. Though they certainly thought up some further things as well. For instance if you were good enough to stave off things like early car attacks, then a bit later in the game people might start dropping mines inside your base, which could be quite difficult to deal with as it could really hinder moving around. If things went a bit longer then even getting a modular suit with a point defense laser was possible, which also turned out to be surprisingly lethal. Automatic base repair via bots as well I think. If you're lucky some of those videos might still be findable on youtube and one could see what the actual exact setup was and how things played out.

[@timothymclean]

Round 1's Team Beans seemed like they were trying a raiding-based strategy, hoping to hinder Team Cube's research enough that they could get the upper hand. Team Cube focused on their side's research and production, which turned out to be a far superior choice. Dosh's strategy seems like a more refined version of that strategy. Instead of constant wimpy raids, build up the minimum strength for a surgical strike and then strike surgically.

[@bountygiver2]

Yup the antirush walls did exactly its job of making very early rushes not be devastating so progress may continue. The walls are very quickly stop being a viable defense against players as soon as military 2 is reached

[@eclipserepeater2466]

I feel like it would be better to try to rebalance things so that raids are optimal, since that way it's more of an actual PvP match rather than a speedrun followed by a stomp.

[@timothymclean]

@@eclipserepeater2466 The trick is that Factorio PvP isn't a standalone RTS. It's assembled from the technology tree and weapons of a completely different genre.

[@CyberMinerCrafting]

This last pair of videos have been great! I'd love to play PvP with a big group like this, it looks fun!

[@Ribbons0121R121]

holy shit mindustry mentioned

[@CaptainBango]

The idea of two engineers having a gun brawl with some Hi Point .22s that can't hit nor hurt each other is wildly funny to me 😂

[@davisdf3064]

With the ammount of materials used to make armor in the game, that armor better be bullet proof

[@BillyONeal]

You slander HiPoint, as punishment, you can have a Tarus Curve

[@aidenburgess217]

Could you imagine, factory, in factorio?

[@FullCircleStories]

Factorio PvP, the future of RTS

[@davisdf3064]

Factorio and Mindustry are great bases for more complex RTS games. Mindustry even has RTS controls already (in Factorio, you need a mod)

[@HaibaneKuu]

@@davisdf3064 Considering that (competitive) RTS genre is already known for its complexity and high barrier of entry, I don't know if more complex RTS is going to succeed.

[@trexrawrrrgaming]

shoutouts to mindustry

[@cococorino5767]

was wishing 4 sum more factorio pvp videos yesterday.... next thing i know my fav factorio youtuber posts this.... YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[@tomcatau7457]

Dosh is spoiling us this week with 2 videos!

[@ledumpsterfire6474]

Dosh's reputation is so powerful that him confusingly throwing things down in ways that don't make sense, probably had his team mate in awe of what unprecedented strategy Dosh was pulling out.

[@ninjacncrazy6910]

the Pyanodons mod: "you cant run away, nor hide dosh. i will always be there"

[@frizforever7549]

WTB mindustry pvp vid

[@ugthefluffster]

I would really like to see this on a massive scale - Instead of small teams placed close to each other and rushing to build, I want to have rival nations composed each of tens or hundreds of players. They will be placed an insane distance apart such that driving to the other ones territory would take 30 minutes of driving. And they will have several hours at the start of the game to build massive mega bases with insane manufacturing capacity, with which to produce a lot of weapons. Bugs are turned off, but re-spawns are also off, so sending a player to do battle is a real risk. This could be some kind of "war factory" mod, emulating two industrial super powers at war with each other.

[@michalek6437]

Maybe 30 minutes is a bit too much and 15 minutes would be enough, but it's a cool idea

[@jajus1485]

and you couldnt see where the enemy teams are, so you are forced to explore or place radars which are slower.

[@seanweb9051]

I think biters should be on to give players something to do other than building. They wouldn't be a real threat anyway. Also, if there was a mod that disabled seeing pollution on the map, the teams would have to actually find each other, rather than just the pollution cloud

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

@@michalek6437 honestly, regarding minutes of driving, even 5 would be a lot.

[@BlueTemplar15]

Yogscast recorded several PvP games over the years, going into 100+ players. I remember a specific one where both bases were decently far apart to the point that rail was set up to cross the distance faster.

[@DryMexagon]

So Space Exploration also has PvP. It's still in a testing phase, but it sounds interesting. Weapons delivery cannons can shoot enemy bases, but are shot down by meteor defenses. The laser for sending power insane distances also has a weaponized version, but is easily shot down by the umbrella. You could go in personally by spaceship, but then you're prone to enemy artillery. You could potentially speed up the three hundred hours by 3 times if you give both teams say 8 players, but I have no idea whether or not you're up for it.

[@Zombo2112]

Mindustry referenced in a Dosh video!!! Hes gonna play one of my favorite game, thats definitely what that means!!! 💯 🔥

[@davisdf3064]

I'd love that honestly, but he probably won't, cause Mindustry's factory building is less interesting than Factorio

[@bruschetta7711]

​@@davisdf3064 more straight forward i would say, it also doesn't have biters

[@davisdf3064]

@@bruschetta7711 Not until V8 comes out, it will introduce Neoplasm units (organic life) on Erekir, they will fight both you and Malis (Erekir enemy faction)

[@progress1994]

I'd love to see your community host further tournaments of this game-mode. I think it'd be a great way to keep your fans engaged. Maybe have teams of 4 compete in a bracket that spans over a few weeks?

[@GuyApollo]

IF this becomes a thing, people will start making maps and mods to improve the experience. This has ALOT of potential to be fun.

[@geyrnauch]

This has so much potential. I just think the PvP needs a little refinement.

[@andreasreich8962]

Space Exploration PvP!!! 🐔

[@FruitRed]

With everyone screaming about Pyanodons, I say postpone it with Nullius! Terraforming the very hellscape that you fight your way out of in Rampant sounds neat, no?

[@sirius1320]

Here is my Idea for pvp (probably realisable with map editor and mods) 1. You don't start with a rocket silo, you just start with the normal starting items and a box. Therefore, destroying the silo is not a win condition, the win condition is sending off a rocket (or maybe even more with an alert for the other players at one rocket). Also, your box is one quarter the size 2. Only a few items (probably yellow ammo, gun turrets, red and green science) are automatable inside your box and buildings in your box can't be destroyed (aside from storage chests, you get a specific number of indestructible ones (idk, like 5 or sth and you can only store the items from above plus their ingredients in them), but the other storages are destructible). All other items need to be build outside of the base, including the rocket silo. Also, you are invulnerable inside your box but can't interact with anything outside of it except for enemies (your box is basically your spawn room like in most shooters). The ore patches in the box are infinite, but you can't use their ores outside of your box. These changes ensure that you have a safe spawn room with the ability to recover using those resources while also disallowing abusing spawn for a lot of free, protected storage or building. 3. No artillery 4. Nerfed Flamethrower damage 5. There are some "key resources" (for example oil, uranium or with mods kryonite or whatever) which are necessary in large amounts to win the game (use mods to force them to be used). These resources are scattered around the map, but have one set spot in the center. Some have only that one spot (or multiple center spots when more teams are present). That makes control over that area key to win the game and forces you to extract resources outside of your base and make outposts. Also, center "key resources" are infinite and not usable for defenses (with the exception for oil, but that's easily sourcable outisde of the center) 6. Remove radars and replace them with the sentinels from either space exploration or krastorio 2, I don't remember which mod it was. This effectivly removes the ability to scout using radars and forces you to search yourself while maintaining the ability to see your conquered space. 7. disable pollution and add a mod that just makes biters attack at will 8. (Optional) a warning system. When a team for example builds a tank, a global warning will play. You could also introduce a warning when teams reach specific progression goals instead of military goals like "researched blue science", "researched bots", "researched yellow science" and so on 9. if you want an extra challenge, add rampant (but slow evolution) so you have always something to worry about even with flamethrowers 10. also if you want, add rampant arsenal for more defense options All in all, these changes make area control much more relevant, force you to build outside of your base while still keeping a safe zone with supplies so you don't get spawncamped easily while also allowing for secret base/outpost building. For some resources, you can choose whether to take them from the dangerous but close, rich and visible (as in you don't need to search) center or to just make a secret outpost using belts or trains, but for some, you'll just have to go for the center and engage in actual pvp. Apologies for my grammar, English is not my first language

[@Juni_0220]

Mindustry!

[@NoCoGX]

That was a fun event! Great idea! I feel like this would work better if you started with already developed and highly defended bases but would have to venture out to get resources, leading to fights in the open and/or the teams need to be way bigger, like 10 people per team split into builders and fighters (switching roles regularly) to experience combat without letting the base sit idle.

[@kiwi_savetf2]

The factorio hunger games

[@thehansboi]

MINDUSTRY MENTIONED

[@RainbowBier]

PvP seems like a good idea with more area in between ^^

[@jaro5884]

This exactly. Rail worlds lotsa water

[@NotCreativeNickname]

Mindustry mentioned 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@ixcenturion3464]

this was very fun to watch! PVP seems pretty cool

[@VidolChalamov96]

After this and the last videos we will see the rise of PvP factorio, mark my words! The new Starcraft lol

[@Onio_Saiyan]

Team Cube, team Beans, team Furnace Stack, team Train Ramp. That’s the mental name assignment I went with. This is a neat mod.

[@mooj269]

this actually seems really fun. i'd totally watch some factorio PVP livestreams, with dosh in the clouds or on the ground it's pretty entertaining. i think the metagame could be more dynamic with some workshopping

[@druch7719]

2 videos in a week? Doshers EATING rn

[@efrid3334]

This is the first time ive seen Factorio PVP since the old Yogscast livestream. I would love to see huge community PVP events like that recreated again, but great video!

[@Kaktanternak]

Honestly this could be a regular video series on the channel, super fun to watch!

[@Dunryan]

Honestly id love to see a josh mindustry vid

[@Dunryan]

Dosh not josh

[@QTwoSix]

​@@DunryanJosh

[@Porkey_Minch]

Haha only kidding, I'm just Joshington you

[@plasticbazooka]

Finally, Dosh is starting the first Factorio pvp league. First tournament prize is gonna be a pallet of Bush's Baked Beans.

[@Megarah0]

TWO DOSH VIDEOS IN A WEEK THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED

[@stretchycheese8522]

The uploads tickle my cube...

[@LoyDizak]

Factorio PvP tournament sounds like a cool idea. You know, just a thought

[@NickiRusin]

MINDUSTRY MENTIONED WOO

[@killjoy4009]

Dosh: WHERE IS MY TEAM??? [ThatOneDragon manifest from the ether]

[@overdramaticpan]

Holy shit, you play Mindustry? Sick! Would love to see some gameplay of it. I'm curious as to what an experienced Factorio player would do in, say, a modded playthrough.

[@squeethemog213]

Okay a dedicated factorio pvp meta sounds interesting and full of cheesy meme potential. Thanks for making this vid mate 🙏😃

[@he3004]

team team's last member rushing in to protect their silo was just too good

[@omegahaxors9-11]

PVP mode really reveals core design problems with the game, I hope they focus more on it for that reason alone.

[@TaylerJDust]

I think the biggest issue is that defense becomes useless when you can outrange it at all points. If the turrets had increased range so they were always able to hit, and then rebalanced such that yellow ammo beats man but loses to car, red ammo beats car but loses to tank and green ammo beats tank. If that happened you would have the initial choice of going either offensive - trying to reach the next tier of weapon before the opponent gets the defenses for it, or do you go defensive, beating back your opponents advance. Third option is that you hope your opponent goes defense and you just completely ignore them while you put all your focus into building the rocket. You can also fool your opponent by choosing to play as if you were rushing the rocket, but immediately jump up to tank and rush a hopefully yellow or red ammoed base. I think a lot of interplay can happen if defenses were actually possible.

[@Murasame13]

7:00 dang team beans actually could've won if they just slapped some turrets down immediately when they reached Cube's silo.

[@Skilly_J]

Honestly this could be a pretty fun miniseries! I'd love to see what it would look like with some teams that have a little practice

[@vwvwvsuki]

In order for pvp to work in factorio, it is necessary to make it possible to build biter nests, upgrade them and let them spawn biters depending on the incoming resources and then attack another team in, for example, 3 corridors as in dota or civwars. And of course rebalance all the costs.

[@teamruddy611]

You know it's a good day when there's a new video!

[@teamruddy611]

Me: I'm making an add-on for SE! You: You're making an add-on for what? Me: yes. You: NOOOOOOO!

[@teamruddy611]

I am actually making an add-on for SE if you didn't know already.

[@joschua6704]

Biter Battles is a PvP mode, with an active player base. We play each weekend, captains games (like raked matches) with up to 50 players.

[@Skaatje]

ThtOneDragon is a legend for jumping in though!

[@drim3945]

Here's a tip:watch these videos in 0.25 speed to make the enjoyment longer

[@SolathPrime]

Yes I do

[@The_Card_Dealer]

Did not expect to see mindustry gameplay in a factorio video

[@vgames9207]

lol i would love to see a part two to this, because this was fun.