Ford 5.4L 3v Engine Noises You Shouldn’t Ignore: How To Tell When a Timing Job is Really Needed

[@nicholasali2182]

AS A FATHER OF A SON THAT JUST PURCHASED A 04 F150 FX4, THIS GIVES ME HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE HER LAST AND BE RELIABLE. NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR YOU,BRIAN, FROM CANADA 🇨🇦 MY SON WAS SET ON GETTING IT, AND NOW WE'LL LEARN TOGETHER ABOUT THE 5.4 3V❤

[@danielstanway1222]

this video is pure gold, every 5.4 owner needs to see it. thank you Brian

[@eastsidehydroflow974]

Brian, I did the replacement of the timing belt, cam phasers and guides when my 2005 F150 truck had 180,000 + miles on it last summer. I did not have the money at the time to do the oil pump then. I now have 242,000+ on my truck and have purchased the 340HV oil pump and just waiting for the right time to do it which will be soon. I just want to thank you for your videos and the instruction you have provided. I have folks say to me you got to have the guts to do what I've done. I just tell them that I had great guy who is very knowledgable help me and I then refer them to your channel. Thank you for this latest video which explains how something so simple can create such a major issue.

[@jamesplotkin4674]

Damn, man. You're going to tear down the entire front of the engine TWICE in order to save $100? In the mean time, damage may have been done to that original pump and compromise the project's longevity. Dude, a few beers and a couple pizzas skipped and you could have done it in one pass. As the Deerhunter said, "One shot."

[@michaelseandurnell3098]

Timing chain not a belt

[@strokerace9175]

I had this issue on my 04 F150 that had 195,000 miles. Through the help of your videos and a little money spent on the roller tool and parts, I was able to complete the whole trimming replacement with the pump for around $1000. Thanks for the videos they are a great!

[@jorgefigheroa77]

Good for you man…how hard was it to get done 1-10..???

[@jorgefigheroa77]

I want to do it myself but seems to complicated…

[@silverhair3933]

One 25 cent gasket fails and destroys half the motor... Great engineering from a company that should know better..

[@mar1video]

Silver Hair - job security at its finest

[@chrischiampo7647]

Or is it Planned Obsolescence 😳😳😑

[@BaxterDeBerry]

hey referring to the company that makes it impossible for most to change the transmission in newer f150s.. go figure

[@charlesrichardson4032]

Silver Hair right on brother ford doesn't even use a bearing for the cam to ride in totally unbelievable Bean counters

[@jhfowler2326]

You kidding - FORD engineers joined the CORPORATE "limited life cycle" fraternity years ago! I'm 67, had 6 Ford trucks, getting ready to buy my last - It will be a DODGE RAM! F' FORD!

[@JoKer-y3o]

The upgraded Ford Racing roller followers are a massive upgrade to the originals. No ticking sounds.

[@mar1video]

The best 2 grand I've ever spent on my 2008 Ford Expedition ! My Expedition sounded like a diesel before Brian worked on it, and it was lacking power. Now, it pulls like a beast. Highly recommended !!!

[@FreeLander5280]

I'm considering reaching out to Brian to coordinate a date coming from denver. mine has all the worst symptoms yet still gets around the high mountain freeways incredibly well. don't wanna risk it to much longer with 220k miles

[@LOSNAVA_UTV]

Hello my truck is making that start up rattle i live near riverside ca does any one now a mechani around here

[@kingjuggalo2440]

Who's Brian? And Where Can I Get 1 In NC? LoL!! Seriously Though Anybody Down South U Might Know That Does Brian Grade Work?

[@kingjuggalo2440]

Reason I Ask "LOTS"!!!!! Of Dirty Mechanics Down In My Small Area An I Don't Mean Dirty With Grease? Yeah Very Very Sleezy Mechanics Con Artist Of Another Level Intentionally Addin Problems To Cost U Thousands An Never Even Fix The Problem U Originally Brought It In To Be Fixed I've Had Enough.

[@browntrout3994]

you took it to bsg automotive ?

[@charlieg8018]

Thanks Brian. Your attention to detail and desire to understand what the causes of failure are exceptional. The Gold Standard for auto mechanics everywhere!

[@joshdunlap7766]

I did this service last summer using your video series. I'm so glad I did it. My truck runs smooth and quiet now, no more embarrassing diesel noises. Thank you for everything you do for the Ford community.

[@TheHouser21]

how long did it take you? did you take yours to a mechanic to get the Refrigerant removed?

[@joshdunlap7766]

Guy Houser I worked on it in the evenings after work and it took me all week. I'm guessing around 12 hours total. I really took my time and made sure I did everything right. Truck is still smooth and silent. A friend that has access to a machine evacuated the ac system for me. I borrowed a set of gauges and filled it myself when everything was back together. I will say to make sure and check your lifters and followers well. I had a follower that was locked up and worn flat on one side. The cam was slightly scored but not too bad so I only replaced the follower.

[@TheHouser21]

Josh Dunlap I will be doing the same thing, only thing was the refrigerant made me reconsider everything haha. Weird how the small things make you think twice. Thank you for the advice, I will be extra careful, like always :).

[@joshdunlap7766]

Guy Houser you're welcome. Depending on the year you may not have to take the AC line loose. I have an 04 and it's right in the way. Btw, make sure you replace the oil pump. It's cheap and easy to replace while everything is apart. A coworker fixed his truck and didn't replace the pump and it went bad and ruined the motor a few thousand miles after putting it back together. Fordtechmakuloco has a video on a new melling oil pump that is high volume and pressure. I believe it was just introduced this year. Unfortunately it wasn't available when I did mine but I did use the best melling available at the time.

[@TheHouser21]

Josh Dunlap Thank you! I have seen that video, his videos are always so informative. I’ll definitely get the high volume pump, can’t believe the design of this engine.

[@edjackson4389]

I have one. 2008 F250 5.4L. The engine was smooth and quiet up to 190,000 miles with zero issues. It now has the hot idle cam phaser knock, and is kinda down on power at 216,000 miles. I figure I'll replace all the components discussed in this video at 250,000 miles, and have a rock solid engine. As a comparison my 2005 Chevy 2500HD 6.0 needed a water pump at 97,000 miles, and I had to replace the transfer case at 168,000 miles, so I traded it for the ford. No regrets.

[@bryanhenderson8413]

Brian, thanks so much. Wow! Your $2,300 price is an incredible bargain! My son and I followed your other videos to change everything out on his pick up. But it was around $2,500+ just on Ford parts, tools and fluids. However we also replaced all the fuel injectors (1 was bad), all the lifters (2 were bad), water pump, fan belt, hoses and idler pulley bearings too while we were in there. Truck only had 144,000 but previous owner apparently rarely changed the oil -- lots of sludge.

[@white89gt]

I helped a friend do his chains and guides recently. The previous owner had already done it all, but reversed the tensioners. So the "L" tensioner was on the Right side. Well, that didn't go so well, and ultimately took out the guides. Luckily, putting new tensioners in correctly, and after clearing the oil pan of plastic and debris, the truck now runs good. So another thing to watch for is correct placement of the tensioners. BTW, I actually discovered they were on wrong by watching one of your videos, Brian. Thanks a lot for all of the GREAT videos you put out.

[@KollynJ]

shane dyches did any of the noises come back?

[@devinpro6199]

you are the best teacher..and it really shows your customers just how amazing you are .. thank you so much..

[@BryanChance]

This guy is a pro!!

[@markberner6705]

The best, most intuitive, and most clear information on the 5.4 L that I have seen. My mechanic uses your channel all of the time to work on my 09 F250. Staying on top of all the little things and fixing them when they rear their heads, has helped me to 310,000 miles. Still running.

[@sergiodjf]

It’s mind-blowing that today’s engines with so many sensors & computer systems can’t prevent this catastrophic damage from happening or at least give you a warning.

[@glocktwins2343]

Things aren’t built to last anymore. It’s all about money. The more problems, the more money they make.

[@JimBronson]

The Ford oil pressure gauge is not actually a gauge, it goes to the middle and stays there as soon as it has 7 psi or more. The GM's have real pressure gauges that move with engine RPM. That said I own a Navigator with a 5.4 3V and doing the timing job soon.

[@1guardia]

That’s why next time I’m buying a Toyota . Always having same problems with Ford even though I love the style!!

[@Overtatedowl]

Just sold my 2007 f150 5.4l 3v. I had 192,000 miles of towing trailers and boats, drove through nasty fields and woods for work with it. Always had to use 4x4. Never had a single major issue with it. Changed spark plugs a couple times and had to change coil pack springs and boots. Never the actual coil pack they were all original... if you change the oil on these 5.4s every 4,000 miles and take care of it they’re not an issue like people like to say...

[@skeezix8156]

OverRotated Owl did you run 5W-20 or switch to 5W-30?

[@Overtatedowl]

Skeezix ran 5w-20. I though about making the switch to 30 but didn’t pull the trigger on it. If I had the truck still I probably would’ve put 30 in now.

[@Immapsycho677]

We had a 2v with 301k before we said screw it only blew intake manifolds

[@jonathanclark451]

@@Overtatedowl I just changed to 5-30.. 3745633.3 miles. All original internal except for vct solenoids. Its bout time for phasers and guides and tensioners

[@KollynJ]

Jonathan Clark how could you tell it was just Vct selendoids

[@Joe_1971]

$2300 dollars for this job is very reasonable. I just bought the timing kit from Amazon all Motorcraft parts, VCT's, Melling 10340 oil pump, and a whole set of roller followers and lifters and it cost me $1660.00. Granted your not including roller/followers in the price those alone cost $481.00. I wish I lived closer (Massachusetts) because I would gladly pay you to do this job for me.

[@johnbrumfield6212]

Maaaaan!! This was me!! Everything about this vid was my 2007 Expedition. Thank you for all of your efforts too share you knowledge. Sadly…as many times as a too my truck to a ford service about the issue, not one mention a timing requirement. On the fourth time, they said I need a new engine!!

[@BryanChance]

You must be a Ford master tech. I’m learning a ton of stuff from your videos. Thank you so much!

[@daviddodge5112]

I got the startup rattle at 40000 miles and parked the truck until I found Brian's first videos on this subject. Watching the videos I saw the blown tensioners and thus had something to look for.....sure enough, both of mine blown. I replaced both only and inspected the guides and nothing else was damaged so I buttoned up the cover. 10w30 oil since and all is well at 100000 miles. Keeping fingers crossed.

[@chord7703]

Love this channel, just got a 2010 f150 with a 5.4 3v. Glad to know that I don’t have any of these bad sounds and will definitely e doing some preventive maintenance in the near future!

[@Jonathan-us4ig]

Thanks for this. I'm an auto mechanic and have seen 5 failed 5.4L engines through my shop in the last 3 months. It's a tough call weather to recommend timing chains or recommend, a new motor or a new truck. It's good to see exactly what's going on in there.

[@Randemoller]

I wish I would have just replaced my motor at 100+k now I’m in heavy on repairs and keep having issues.

[@big_worm4414]

​@@Randemoller bro just stay away from this motor!!!

[@A.C.71]

Just wanted to stop by and thank you Brain. On one of your videos I seen where you recommended the Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil. I tried the Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic High Mileage 5W-30 Motor Oil it has something in it to condition seals and said it could help a motor that was using oil. I have been using about 1/2 quart in about 700 miles. Since I tried this oil you recommended I've gone about 600 miles and it hasn't used a drop. This is now my new oil. Thank you very much , this issue was worrying me more than I would care to admit. I'm slowly but surely making this truck more dependable thanks to your expertise and hard work on 5.4 3v. I've been close to giving up on it but your videos are saving it. I already had tried the ATS Chemical engine treatment...twice, Megapower engine additive that I've personally see do miracles for motors but none of those got my engine to stop burning oil but the pennzoil did the trick.

[@Chris-Fennimore]

I just got hit with severe Arthritis in my knees, this year, so its doubtful I'll get a chance to upgrade my 5.4 3v F250. Brian, I'd give you the job in a heartbeat, if you ever wanted to travel down to North Carolina. We are family-friendly, bring your kids.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

I don't travel for work anymore but customers come from all over the USA to have this service done.

[@SRD602]

FordTechMakuloco I'm seriously considering bringing my 07 with 130k up from Arizona to have this done by you. No way I'm going to pay the dealership that much and I don't know any local mechanics I trust to do the job right. I'm just concerned if the truck can make the trip without causing more damage. Right now I have a faint ticking(only heard with hood up) coming from drivers side valvetrain but don't believe I have the start up rattle.

[@mar1video]

Louis Chavez - I bought it and drove it like that for about 2 years before it finally got fixed. If you never been in Chicago , make it a road trip out of it. Plenty of things to see and do around here. Or send your truck via car carrier ( add another $1,500 - $2,000), but check the prices first, I might be wrong. Good luck !

[@nationalwashproducts2124]

FordTechMakuloco where is your shop?

[@ozzstars_cars]

+Louis Chavez Did you check the exhaust manifold gasket for a leak?

[@mikebee515]

My 06 f just started that left side ticking at 116k daggonit. I just bought rims/tires/level. Time to crack it open with whatever pennies I have left lol Thank you for this series!!

[@floridaman7]

I just started having it happen at 136k. I bought a roller and lifter kit off amazon. mechanic says it will be $830 to install it.

[@cimadomepat]

Thanks so much for your videos Brian!! Your videos have inspired me to do a job that I never thought i could: tackle- a full timing job on my 2006 King ranch with 286k original components.

[@Craig2760]

I bought an ‘09 F150 a few months ago with 67,000 miles. Love the truck. I have a great mechanic locally yet, I do rest easier knowing I’m just an hour from your shop. 🙂

[@michaeltrower6792]

Great video I started having the start up rattle on my 06 f150 both tensioners were blown replaced with updated motorcraft with help from your videos all is good now

[@joesmith-fi1sx]

So you just replaced the tensioners and done ? My 06 with 83k that i just bought has a quick tick at start up . I just changed oil to 5x30 and a quart of marvels mystery oil .

[@KollynJ]

joe smith did that take care of your problems? I have 100k

[@waldeaux1]

joe smith w

[@joesmith-fi1sx]

waldeaux1 ?

[@Alvink2015]

Hey Brian, I just wanted to let you know that you are the man. I’ve been working on a Ford F550 6.8L, it’s one of our work trucks that went down a few months ago when it came in I took the valve covers are off and noticed that the passenger side head can shaft caps were all broken so I replaced the head with a reman head that came complete with a new cam. Replaced the oil pump. All of the timing components, the water pump, all new gaskets tubes, head gasket, new bolts, new exhaust manifold, bolts, all OEM. fast forward after running the truck for two weeks with no issues the first time we took it out on the road. Oil light came on in the gauge for the pressure dropped all the way down and started making noise again on the passenger side head. When I took the valve cover off to see what the problem was, I saw that all of the camshaft caps were all loose again and the one in the back was broken, why do you think this happened? Could it be that the engine wasn’t thoroughly cleaned out from all the metal shavings from the first time the caps went out or do you think this happened because the timing was set wrong.? Wouldn’t I get codes if the timing was set wrong though? or do you think that all this happened because I used an oem oil pump and not the HVLP oil pump? I tried calling the company that I got the reman head from today and they said it was an installation error not a head issue because the caps shouldn’t come loose and will not warranty the head but they said that they are going to send me another cap for the one that broke which was the last one all the way in the back and they said if the cam isn’t scored up too bad and the bed that the cam sits on it’s either it should work. Please if you can try to help me I’d really appreciate it, I’m down on my luck and really need help to get this thing back on the road. I’ve spent so much money on this thing and I feel like I’ve gotten nowhere with it but just back to where I originally started. Thanks again, GOD bless

[@big_worm4414]

These engines are just not made to last, sorry bro

[@KennyRusso77]

QUESTION: What causes the 'blowout' on the chain tensioner gasket? Does the higher pressure Melling oil pump exacerbate the risk of a tensioner gasket blowout? Is there an upgraded replacement tensioner available?

[@edaiken1010]

Just bought a used 2006 F-150 with this engine. Did not know of this issue but the truck only had 13.5K miles. Thanks very much for telling me what to listen for and for your thorough explanation of the engine design problems.

[@fredhankes5608]

I subscribed a year ago and you have been most helpful keeping my 08 F150 alive, 122,000 and so far my 3v is nice and quiet except for just a hint of phaser knock which now is being masked by the right exhaust manifold leak, already have the parts for that I just need time to change out the manifold. I did take your advice about using 5w-30 and change it at 4500 - 5000 miles. I’m starting to gather the parts for the timing upgrade when the time comes, I’m not ready to lay out 60k for a new pickup yet

[@KollynJ]

Fred Hankes hi Fred! I got mine for 1500 has only 100k and have slight knock. Is it worth dealing with I want to just drive it. What was your experience?

[@craftytimestation2540]

Between the navigator and the expedition you have been an life saver lol

[@buddyrebel_Garcia]

28 dislikes are by dealers! Heheh Great video man.

[@rpoole8231]

Just bought a 2020 with this engine with $120K miles. Wish I had seen the video before! I don’t appear to have problems but then again I don’t know for sure. A demonstration of the various noises that you talk about would be immensely helpful understanding that each vehicle is going to be slightly different.

[@georgebrinson1393]

Do you want to come do my truck?

[@cobrabuilder9336]

Brian, keep up the good work. it is interesting by some of the comments that people are quick to blame the engineers that designed the modular line of engines instead of being attentive and when they hear an odd noise just leave it be to snowball to something as extreme as this example. Proper Maintenance, servicing when there is a abnormal sound or issue all falls on the owner of the vehicle. This is not to say that there are no issues with an engine design, and that is why there are redesigned / improved service parts like the new guides, tensioner, oil pumps etc. this major repair could have been a far less expensive job if it had been looked at by a knowledgeable tech like yourself when the initial noise started.

[@samhouston1673]

Proper maintenance should not require tearing down the engine to accomplish. It is, without a doubt, just poor engineering? Why? Cause there are other engines that FORD has that does not have these issues, pure and simple.

[@thollingsworth4910]

I don't even own a 5.4 but I love watching these videos. Very, very good info in these.

[@mark98070]

Hard to imagine that there are no cam bearings! Another brilliant idea from the engineers at Ford!

[@brucejones2354]

wysetech2000. try Cummins, even many of the big engine manufacturer's use this method. It works IF you maintain them properly.

[@randystrebeck812]

All motorcycle ive worked on handa suzuki kaw and yamaha Triumph steel cams run on aluminum pedistals and ive seen some Triumphs pushing 100k so yea its how they are maintained Lack of reagular service is what gets the timing chains too!! So if you are getting plenty clean oil to the camshaft steel on aluminum is fine its the lack of oil that does the damage most bike carry as much oil pressure as out 5.4!!

[@d.jbrickmocs1637]

I drive an old focus 1.6 16v zetec. Still going strong. Good engines. Easy to work on and cheap to fix if it breaks. I never had someting break. Only the pcv hose broke. The car is 22 years old now. Gets the service on time so no wories there. Got 280,000 k.m on the klok now and still love the car

[@elihernandez330]

I've had several ford's around that old style era and they were extremely good compared to today.

[@Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiitt]

It’s time you expand and open shops near every Ford dealership. Using the same business model you do there and hiring like minded mechanics whom are ethical and take pride in their workmanship.

[@thomasdoheny8096]

No Shit!! I would send my 2005 5.4 L 3v to that shop anytime I needed work done to my truck. Is all of the local mechanics in the New Haven Connecticut area don't know about the special needs of this engine

[@master6435]

This channel is the only reason I would buy a f150 with a 5.4 3v

[@jasongurr270]

These are all very good tips on how to take care of the motor and what to look out for however I don't see why would cost thousands of dollars to replace the head when you can go to Frasier engines and buy a whole nother engine for about $3400.....

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Labor labor labor is the answer you are looking for...…….

[@MICLANTECUTLI]

I like how you gave your audience a price quote at the end.

[@Jack-by2hg]

I've seen a 5.4 with 410,000 miles! Good to know that stuff!

[@zgzg2183]

410,000 is when my brothers 2006 f150 started to make noise. He bought it at 17,000. Always had motorcraft 5w20 oil and filter every 3-4,000 miles. New ford timing components, new ford oil pump (didnt need the pump really). Still goin strong has about 430,000 on it now.

[@i3loodymoon647]

Covers ears and eyes for another few weeks until the weather frigs off so i can rip her down do roller followers, cam phasers, chain/ guides and look into replacing plastic intake with alluminium. :( EDIT: You videos make me happy to own a 5.4 with knowing all the issues with these motors, let alone your help with keeping fords running strong if the upkeep is there. Aiming for summer 2022 full frame refurbish and keep this baby going for another 20 years.

[@SMarti018]

I love your videos, very informative... They sure do give me anxiety though about owning a 5.4 with 120K 😂.

[@Hubjeep]

Mine has 130K, only get startup rattle one out of every 4 starts.

[@KollynJ]

Did you guys ever have more issues?

[@jasonmeister6988]

mine has 152k and still works fine

[@ethanwestbrook9853]

With or without noises though? Mines got 140,000 and I get noise here and there

[@aber1711]

I'm about to purchase one with 120k miles. Seems to be a good truck but that is expensive when the time comes to fix it.

[@kellylarson3565]

In 2000 I bought a new ford f150 4x4 with a 5.4 I have taken care of it. The truck has zero rust and the power train is original. Yes starter, alt ect has been changed . I have 600267 kilometers on it and live in northern Sask Canada. It runs like the day I bought it new. Maintenance! nice truck

[@chekelley6861]

Wow! Your videos just get better and better!

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Thanks!

[@utahbones3094]

I’m anti ford since my 5.4 3v but your videos helped me change out everything. I changed my phasers twice and I wish you made the Ford phaser video earlier because your so right about aftermarket phasers failing.

[@privatesector0422]

We are so glad you found you. You're an amazing technician thank you for sharing.

[@elkhuntr2816]

The big question is how do you know when it is time for a full rebuild vs just a timing rebuild? If you need a timing rebuild, how do you determine if it is worth it or if you should just do a full rebuild or replacement with a factory rebuild? Compression check?

[@mzaccaria6291]

Thanks for all the great videos. My question is does all the information on start up noise, and timing chain rattle apply to the 4.6L 4v engine also?

[@JakeNaughtFromStateFarm]

I’m hearing that start up tick for a few seconds and after watching a few of your videos, figured I’ll be needing a timing job soon. My first goal is to get a commuter car so that I can start working on my truck. I know it’s going to take time, but I’ll tackle here soon.

[@gabegarcia1199]

this is why I be love watching your videos. very detailed and specific. faithful subscriber

[@billbethel8375]

Thank you. The Milwaukee Fan is just what I need! So hot out here, it’s a must have. Running out to buy one now. Nothing worse than heat fatigue when you are trying to get the job done.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Those fans are a huge help, they really help get me through the summer.

[@rickb8808]

Ford's going downhill fast. Used to be all Ford trucks around here on the farms. Now Dodge is taking over. Farmers say new Fords don't hold up when you work them. And they "hate" the ecoboost engines and aluminum beds. Ashame. The old 300 6cyl., 302 and 351 engines were workhorses.

[@MustangNthusiest]

Richard Bricker, not true, Ford, Chevy Dodge have all decent Trucks. But Ford Trucks are still selling. It's still the number 1 vehicle in the USA 🇺🇸 being sold. Over 100,000 more then Chevy and Dodge

[@lukaszuryk527]

Richard Bricker yea its going down the hill with each year record sales

[@workingshlub8861]

had a buddy with a 94 f150 straight 6 ..had 278k when it finally died and he plowed 10 winters with it...

[@darylhagle8565]

Amazing it’s only ford trucks in Michigan with record sales ..🤔

[@waltchan]

Ford truck engines are NOT OHV, that's why farmers have more problems with Ford than Chevrolet and Ram V8, and Ford trucks don't serve the farmers well anymore. The last and final Ford truck engine built for farmers was the 4.2L V6 OHV, but it was found in regular-cab only with limited sales number and production limit. It was discontinued after 2008 model year because Ford don't want to see many 1 million mile trucks running on the road.

[@carlomendoza8588]

I wish I can just take my truck to this guy whenever I need servicing done. I was charge 2500 to have the timing chain and guide done to my 5.4 at 148,000 and it still sound like a diesel. I don’t even think the mechanic bothered looking at the other parts that is explained in this video. By the way great video👍👍

[@KollynJ]

Did it last? How many miles since

[@carlomendoza8588]

@@KollynJ I don’t drive it much, just use it to haul things. It has about 175,000. Still sounds like a diesel after it warms up (cam phasers), but no check engine. Overdrive servo snap ring broke, it’s been sitting for awhile.

[@KollynJ]

@@carlomendoza8588 can you still run it with overdrive off or does it restrict whole trans. Don’t let it sit too long or cost of brakes or anything else that goes bad will be same as cost of repair, did that on my 03 now it’s not worth more than scrap between brakes, rotors, solenoid to starter wire rusted, and fuel pump decided to quit

[@KollynJ]

Also that servo snap ring doesn’t look too hard (fordtechmaculocho shows video) and can check on transmission and change fluid at same time,

[@carlomendoza8588]

@@KollynJ yes it still runs with OD turned off. I use it from time to time to do dump runs and such. Just side streets though never exceeding 50 mph.

[@derekisthematrix]

I realize this would be very difficult but could you somehow record/show us the actual sounds you're describing? We have a 2010 Expedition that we bought at 83k mi that always has had the "diesel" sound (145k mi now). Not sure if it sounds any different at startup. We'll need a new transmission soon (occasional slipping while towing and hot) so I gotta figure out if I want to spend $3500 on that plus thousands on a timing job. Oh and the ABS ECU is out and that's another $1100. Oh and the lower blend door needs replacing that requires tearing out the dash which costs ~$1000 if I don't attempt it myself.... Geeze maybe I answered my own question!

[@matthewtieszen2569]

Agreed. This would be helpful. Too many other videos out there with various sounds that are using similar 'issues' as the description.

[@billbethel8375]

In my experience, unless you have used 5-30 synthetic oil , ( like Pennzoil Pure ) for the majority of those miles, you probably need this service. Upgrading to the parts described, regular service, you will get a lot of use from the vehicle. Some fleet vehicles here in Arizona are upwards of 500k miles. All have the 5.4 Triton

[@FordTechMakuloco]

I have many videos dedicated to identifying noises in this engine. This was more of an informational video about how severe each one of these failures are.

[@derekisthematrix]

FordTechMakuloco thanks I'll be sure to look them up. I've appreciated all your videos thus far. What am I risking by not doing this repair now? $2300 today vs $XXXX when/if it breaks down the road (other than getting stuck on the side of the road)?

[@matthewtieszen2569]

I apparently have missed a few and will go back to see if I find mine my 'noise'. Dealership checked for the "Standards" then simply diagnosed with a "Manifold gasket leak". No improvement to the 'ticking' but was reimbursed for the 'repair'. Thanks for the reply!

[@mojorisin7371]

I must be one of the lucky ones. I own a 2011 Ford Expedition with 250k miles and runs and drives well. I only use 5w20 full synthetic and change every 5-6k miles. The only noises I hear are the usual noisy injectors. Hope the ones that do own these are at least doing what I do and maybe your success will be similar ✌🏽🇺🇲

[@milo963]

2010 Expedition with 200K here, Mobil 1 and Motorcraft filters every ~4K miles. Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.

[@Jkarr861]

Do you have any videos of the start up rattle? I get some odd intermittent noise on startup from time to time. Motor is about to turn 60k

[@Badillo35196]

Worse engine design too many problems right? But of course is always good news for mechanics like me ! Thank you very much (Brian ford tech maculoco) I learn a lot from you man .... you are in the right place!!!!

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

@FordTechMakuloco I also found melling makes chain guides in aluminum instead of plastic what do you think of the aluminum chain guides have you seen any of them in person or installed them what's your take on them

[@larryd9068]

Ok, that's it dambitt! I'm pulling out the Triton 5.4 out of my 2003 - F250 Super Duty and installing a 1974- 351 Windsor. My dad's ole 74 Ford Torino never quit !

[@DerkT7]

My 2010 has a loud ticking sound on start up and then seems to become faint after the engine idles, but when I accelerate, the ticking is crazy loud. Would this be a manifold leak?

[@hollyjansma3632]

I have the same issue with my 08 5.4L I have run premium gas and switched to full synthetic oil and no change so that tells me it's a manifold leak. I will be replacing mine before I make the trip from Michigan to New Mexico in January. Hope you figured yours out.

[@catbugparty]

Having the same problem have you found what caused it?

[@DerkT7]

@@catbugparty I think it’s a passenger side manifold leak honestly but I don’t know for certain. I am going to fix it here shortly and will update this comment.

[@jamesplotkin4674]

I know the replacement Ford plastic tensioners are improved with a much better capture of the seal, but when I do this job, I prefer to use the Melling cast iron tensioners.

[@yimotondiaz8014]

I have a 2005 with the 4.6 V8 and it makes the rattle noise when cold start. Would it be the same issue? Or different since not the same engine?

[@KollynJ]

Yimoton Diaz was it ever fixed or just driven? Was it an issue otherwise?

[@grampymeyer6603]

Greetings, your videos are great!!! keep up the good work My daughters 02 Mountaineer (4.6l 2v) had the spark plug ejection issue... I had to weld up my own tools to make the (head installed) repair... (taught me valuable lessons, so this has not repeated on our 02 Explorer 46.l 2v). So when I bought my 2009 F150, 4.6l I ensured I got the 3v engine, now very close to 100K miles. I do not notice any "startup rattle" I do have the hot idle ticking (potentially the camphaser lockout pin). I also notice what I believed was a heat shield rattle, that only is noticed @ light acceleration at just over 1000 RPM.. Your videos and explanation make me believe this could be a timing chain. Based on the info in your videos I believe I am destined to pull the front cover in the future and do all the timing work and If I understand correctly put in a melling oil pump...If I determine I have tensioner "blowout" is there any remedy that is more likely to prevent this. Other info.. I change (synthetic only) the oil each 5K previosly 5W20, until today 5W30, I have never seen any plastic parts drain in the , no metal on the magnet (I know fine aluminum would not be caught by a magnet) . I plan on cutting open my last WIX oil filter to give the insides a look. any additional advice / insights?

[@mountaindewpower7895]

My engine is loud and mean..makes all kinda noise...454 7.4l is a beast...scares all the kids

[@workingshlub8861]

you got me nervous now lol...that 5 second startup tick I assumed was my exhaust manifold gasket leaking by....time for more investigation.. I have 135k and so far so good and I always change oil on time.

[@jasonmeister6988]

I Am Never Gonna Financially Recover From This

[@briang4470]

Save yourself from future headache and financial crisis and the next time your 3 valve needs a major repair just junk the truck and find something else, these 3 valve trucks have horrible resale value and aren't worth sinking tons of money into, use the money to find a nicer truck.

[@FLMan180]

@@briang4470 here we are in a used truck over inflated market these used trucks selling for top dollar !

[@ernestoruesta9446]

I purchase 4 F150 1 expedition all used from the auction all with misfiring or noise problems, we replace the timing chain off all of them from ebay and amazon and they all failed, some parts separated, now we only buy them from the Ford dealer, Brian thank you for the videos.

[@lindnova]

Wow that's spendy. Why doesn't the V10 seem to have this problem? We have them go over 200k in severe service without problems.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

The 6.8L 3v does not have Phasers or a VCT system.

[@f.w.1318]

Melling has a kit with cams and steel tensioner with no seal, the tensioner looks and feels solid, I wish I knew about it before doing my timing, thanks for the vid.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Don't buy their timing kit trust me!

[@f.w.1318]

@@FordTechMakuloco No way, I learned my lesson on the first go around buying dorman, I bought the kit you recommend with the melling 340HV, (and watch your vid series) went a step further and replaced my lash adjusters and roller followers with the ford performance kit from summit racing. The melling kit only includes the camshaft, steel tensioner and oil pump. By the way your name is all over the amazon reviews for every ford part regarding 5.4 3v engines, I think your just as popular there as you are here !!! thanks for all that you do.

[@ricardoduran3959]

Hello buddy do you have videos on 4 valve 5.4. Such as the 03 lincoln navigator.

[@michelleandrobb3398]

Great info. My son has a 2005 5.4 L Triton F150; he will have to keep up with this!

[@BrotherKyler]

These are great trucks, almost 300,000!on mine.

[@InvestorAcademyPodca]

Yeah, seems to be little to no problems with the 5.4.

[@53mjackson]

Have you made any of these repairs on yours , I about readt to buy one king Ranch 313000!!!!!!!!!

[@KollynJ]

Kyler Estes are these noises normal

[@jingoadams8362]

Brother you are the Bomb. I have been watching your video tutorials. And it has saved me head aches and money. Thank you for sharing the knowledge. RockOn Brother..

[@drmoto5898]

This is the reason I will be buying a Toyota, I love my Ford but I simply can't afford to own an engine that poorly engineered.

[@spartacusantipas4580]

This was such an awesome video. Your instructions and descriptions are exemplary.

[@bigdogpete43]

"Knowing when it is time to trade it."

[@ptrck6]

You can see the passenger side head has no oil discoloration. Good information Brian.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Yes this engine was taken care of very well.

[@ptrck6]

FordTechMakuloco what I mean is that the right side head isn’t getting oil. Can get discoloration from oil if there is none. Maybe need to find another way to route an alternative exterior oil line to the head.

[@slimjim7411]

Yikes my truck sounds like a Diesel for like 5 minutes after starting then goes away when you start driving. So according to this video I'm probably F****************CKED!

[@musstagg]

Is rattle after the engine 1st fires up? I have rattle only when STARTER is turning engine over. Its quiet as soon as it fires up. Is that normal , or is my rattle bad?

[@casandramcneely6188]

When I barely touch my gas pedal you can hear engine rattles, so yeah I think I'm in the same boat

[@KollynJ]

Casandra McNeely yeah. Hold it at 900rpm. Mine went away after I changed my oil to 0w-40 full synth

[@KollynJ]

Slim Jim did it get worse?

[@KollynJ]

Pretty fly for a WiFi did yours get any worse?

[@b_rad5678]

Best explanation ever.. Always been a ford guy. I'm seriously thinking of selling my 04, F150 before any issues arise. I have low miles, no towing, and always use 5-30 every 3k miles.. Either going 6 cyl ecoboost or moving to Toyota.

[@BrotherKyler]

Brad Turner these are great trucks. Almost 300,000 on mine.

[@KollynJ]

Kyler Estes did you have these noises and were they an issue?

[@KollynJ]

B_ rad what did you end up going with

[@domtass]

Ill stick with my 5.3 vortech

[@NoNonsenseKnowHow]

Great info! The timing chain system in these is so poorly designed

[@mandsvschneider8726]

the timing chain system make Rube Goldberg Systems Godly!

[@chrischiampo7647]

Excellent Tips Thank You 😊

[@homesaverchimney]

I have what sounds like a definite knocking sound at 1500 and between 2000 and 2400 rpm in my 2004 5.4 - 2 valve. It's a 2004 E350 SD. Started doing it in the Jasper rebuild I had in it at 85k miles so I replaced it with a unit from Powertrain Direct (now apparently out of business) but the rebuild came from AER in Carrolton TX and it did the same noise. Replaced it under warranty 3 months later and now this one does it! We have tried to isolate this noise by disconnecting the serpentine belt to make sure it wasn't an accessory and we have checked the flex plate and this noise persists. I hear it the loudest at the PCV connector at the back of the engine where it connects to the intake. It's very loud and sounds like a connecting rod's about to let loose. Oil pressure and temp fine. I am at a loss. I know this cant be good and I know its not normal. Please steer me in some direction. I have to find and fix this ASAP as this van makes me my living daily! Please message me or reply here. Thanks for all the work you do!

[@ryanjosiah9605]

I also have an e350 that makes timing rattle/knocking sounds at around thise rpms. Did you ever isolate the problem or find the solution?

[@homesaverchimney]

@@ryanjosiah9605 Believe it or not it turned out to be a defective aftermarket junk intake! I had my mechanic install an OEM Ford one and never heard the noise again. Seems the el cheapo's develop a crack somewhere which must be letting air in when it shouldn't be. Who knew?

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

@FordTechMakuloco hey I have a 2005 ford 6.8l v10 2 valve do you have any idea were I can find a pickup tube for the high volume melling oil pump I want to install

[@TheQuickerkitty]

My 08 F250 crew cab Lariat 4x4 with a 5.4 has that ticking sound every once in awhile on start up. Almost sounds like a small block Ford with a lifter that bleeds down over night....then ticks for just a few seconds and goes away. My truck now has 270k on it and the timing chains have never been done....still runs perfect, pulls hard, no smoke, no knocks, plugs are nice golden brown too. I just dropped it off at Ford to have all of that done, I'm not taking any chances. Getting a new water pump, hoses, oil pump, pulling the pan and cleaning it, installing a new pick up and I want them to inspect the Cams, lifters and roller followers. I need this bad boy to run for another 270k....I cant afford to replace it with a new truck of equal value priced at $72k! Great video for sure! Too bad your shop wasn't closer to Tallahassee, Fl.....the job would have been yours!

[@richardbraun2567]

I'm 77 and have had more Fords than all the other cars put together. In 92 I bought a Toyota pickup. It got the same maintenance as my Fords. The difference is Nothing ever went wrong with the Toyota while the Fords (Tempo, Taurus & Topas) were broke all the time. In 2003 I bought a new Dodge pickup because I was so disgusted with Ford that I wouldn't ever look at them. I would have bought a Toyota but at the time they were too light to pull our trailer. I kept the Toyota to drive back and forth to work and just sold it last year with 305,000 on it. It still ran great and all I ever had to do to it, 1 clutch and bearings in the rear end ( My fault, I put the wrong oil in it) My Dodge Ram has 125,000 miles on it now and has been trouble free. As for long term reliability I put ford one notch above the Yugo and on par with the Fiat. In other words they are crap.

[@billrok]

Well said. Great advice.

[@williamhardes8081]

i just finished watching this and i'm immediately going to order a full new valve train. my Fairlane is a ticking time bomb! 🤣🤣🤣i love the car so the investment will be well worth it.

[@raulayala5891]

Hi guys....I have a 06 Lincoln Navigator ultimate with 5.4L V8....where o how can I find out if this it's 3 Valves like he saids?

[@MichaelJames-je6cr]

raul ayala it’s a 3 valve

[@mar1video]

raul ayala - most likely it is. If it rattles, sounds like diesel, vibrates and is ticking, it's the 5.4L V8...

[@FordTechMakuloco]

The 5.4L 3v came to the Expedition/Navigator in 2005 so yes you have this engine.

[@raulayala5891]

Tnks boss

[@clyde8drive]

I wish you were in my area. so much respect for the knowledge. 07, 5.4 with 185K and need that from end done. keep the vids comin

[@southerngentleman2516]

Damn some of this stuff about Cam phasers and rattle has me wanting some explanations. Any issue with the 5.4 like phasers, vct solenoids, roller followers, timing chain tensioners seem to be from one thing insufficient oil volume. Why wouldn't a new better higher volume oil pump be the first thing one would want to replace? And be the main fix ?

[@mwoodard50]

Brian, if not your name I apologize. I owe you a great amount of debt. I replaced all of the timing components on my 04 F150 5.4 L 3 valve truck with only what I learned from your 4 part series of videos. I also upgraded the oil pump to the Mellings. I did all the work myself using your videos, no other references. I replaced everything except for the right side camshaft that my friend said was OK after polishing. Mistake, I will be replacing the camshaft this summer. Should have listened to you buddy.

[@dougdoesstuff24]

Why you so far away!?! Mobile service on the east coast? :) I will show the sights and bring you to some REAL pizza, not that chicago stuff you call pizza!

[@woolrabbit]

could you do a video where you compile and demonstrate all of these sounds we should listening for, for example startup rattle, chain slapping, etc. So I can compare them to the sounds in my 5.4L. Thanks for all your videos.

[@ramos5875]

What a disaster of an engine Ford designed, hard to believe that there is 100 years of engineering behind this engine

[@jimdailey1018]

They still can't make a diesel either.