Ford 9N 2N 8N Fergy Differences

[@purebloodheretic4682]

Great Vid! I'm a New -Old Fergy Owner It's amazing how prevalent these old tractors were & still are! 70yrs later they are Still used Daily around the World! It's a Testament to their Great Design & Affordability compared to Larger Tractors that were Needed before the 3 point Hydraulic Linkage came along! -Cheers👍🇦🇺

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

They are amazing machines. Thanks for watching.

[@johnsweeney1712]

Great video. I learned a lot. I have a few Fergusons, they still populated farms in my youth but I learned to drive on a Massey Ferguson 135. Thanks for sharing your knowledge & enthusiasm. Keep up the good work.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!!

[@SevenOaksOutdoors]

I love this channel! It's very helpful as I am rebuilding an old 8n currently. Thank you!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@stevek5988]

I've got a ferguson TO20. Wouldn't traded it for anything.

[@tomrobards7753]

I used a to20 one summer to rake hay for all the race tracks in eastern U.S. loved it over John Deere harvesters. Case and Ford the Ferguson was diesel

[@mmatrainee]

Well, what happened to it? You speak past tense, but state you would never sell it.

[@johnm.speight7983]

Thank You, You are first one I have " talked to " who knew what small lever under seat was for. ( Up is position control - Down is draft control. ) You now know I have a 8N, !951 according to S/N Fun tractor !

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@AlanBurnham]

13:47 8N differences discussion. Great content; saving this for future reference.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

I love talking about Ford tractors. Thanks for watching!

[@radioguy1620]

Thanks for the brush hog clutch tip, great video

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

My pleasure!

[@cdjhyoung]

Wish I had known about that clutch 30 years ago. I ran our Super W^ Farmall full speed into the barn because I had the feed mill still engaged when I came back from feeding the pigs. Bent the grill big time. Didn't do the barn much good either.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

@@cdjhyoung I smashed up my Ferguson a couple of times before I figured it out.

[@tygapaul]

Very informative and your enthusiasm is infectious. Want one now!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

I can assure you, one won't be enough LOL.

[@markthegunplumber8376]

Had a TO-30 for many years. Super dependable Continental engine. when nothing else on the property would start, you could depend on the TO-30 to fire up every time.

[@ivanferguson2509]

Yup, i have a to-30 currently. Temps dropped to -2 last month, used my tractor to jumpstart my mack work truck. It was the only thing on the property that fired up without any help.

[@alexlail7481]

That's probably the best (most accurate) video I've seen about the n series and Ferguson relationships and differences 👍 I grew up around these tractors mostly with my dad using my grandfather's 9n and now I have my great uncle's 2N. It's amazing how well they hold there own against tractors 70-80 years newer. I also have a TC 29 new holland. I was surprised that the 2N having draft control actually does better scrapeing gravel than the TC29....

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kirtadams439]

Kevin, thanks for posting this well presented show and tell.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@geraldharkness8830]

very informative thanks..i worked in a ford agri parts store in a local engineer..loved it!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!!!

[@ralphledger1221]

Nice Smokey Yunick reference. He was incredible. RIP Smokey.

[@MyLifeThai371]

My cousin has an 8N loader tractor. He uses it for pushing snow during the winter and building dirt bike jumps at his home in the suburbs. I still see 8N's around the city with the boom pole on the back from "TSC" with a come along on it. The people in the city use the boom pole to move heavy things around their yard and load engines in the back of their pickup. They also work good for lifting the concrete steps assemblies away from the old grandma houses and carrying them away. Those concrete steps must weigh a good 1200lbs.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

They are eternal.

[@curtcoltharp3719]

My grandad had a 1956 Ferguson 35. I learned how to plow with it as a kid in the 60’s. My Dad now owns it and had it overhauled and painted to original color scheme that was hunter green and khaki. Dad still uses it as a mower. I do know that the Ferguson tractors have overhead valves and I believe the Fords are flathead.

[@bryanblood7063]

My collection looks like yours but I'm more partial to massey's though. My favorite tractor is my massey ferguson 135. Great video

[@nndorconnetnz]

Oh my. My Grandfather had a TE in NZ with the English engine. He fought in WWI. I was borne in the mid 60's and learnt to drive on the old grey. It's so good to see one. Dad had a Ford 4000 with selecta shift 10 speed. The engine in that was close to hopeless. Got rid of that and bought a IH454. That was hands over feet better. Oh, the TE grey Granddad had, had a single headlamp on top. Dad removed that and put the two side headlamps on it with wider front wheels from a car. The biscuit wheels where put in storage. We also had a CASE header with a Wisconsin V4. A New Holland bailer with Wisconsin twin. The international 454 was awesome. that could crawl.

[@davemoyer505]

Working on a ‘49 8-n. Got it running. Need tires, and odds and ends. They were incredible tractors. Nice presentation, my good man. Thankyou👍🇺🇸❤️

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@jeffd.8917]

@@ClaremontClassicGarage Great job on this video. I see myself hoarding tractors in the future.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

@@jeffd.8917 Nobody ever plans to, it just happens. There's little tractors everywhere around here.

[@CincyPlasmaTech]

An over-running clutch will be my first priority! I have a 9N with a 2N right axle, 6V, and flat head engine with an unreadable serial number. "The grille is the brakes" 😂😂 I'm going to paint that on the grille. Im also looking for a way to add a temperature sensor.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching. Best of luck with your project!

[@terryhiggins9700]

Don't forget the ferguson-brown model A tractor, which pre-dates all of the above. Nice video, 👍

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

It wasn't really in the scope of this video but yes it is a significant machine.

[@cliffyarboro1163]

Good video I learned a lot about these old tractors i often wondered about, I had an 8n think it was a 1947 model they are easy to work on I rebuilt the hydraulic pump , put new gear in the transmission, replaced the pins and bushings in the front end changed it to 6 12 volt system, the only thing I didnt like about it was the front distributor

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

The front distributor has its moments, especially with a loader.

[@jimplatts6172]

Great little tractors I've owned 7 sadly the last one secumed to financial pressure (garage rent) and marital pressure. They changed many small farmers lives dad farmed with one always on the farm even when we had the 65's and ford 4000 he still kept the fergie and an old E1A major his first tractor and his first big tractor.

[@jeffmays8702]

I got the TO30, I like how you bump the shifter in the upper right position to start it, preventing you from accidentally starting it while in gear. I'll be keeping an eye out for the 8n pump assbly with the draft control.

[@desmondsouthwell3529]

I operated a Fergy in Australia in the 50s, with a backhoe connected. A lovely tractor, small but able to do many big jobs. Whatever the work, it was always so easy and pleasant to drive. More like fun than work!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

They always make me smile

[@erwinbrubacker7488]

That plane in backgrnd, is pleasant.

[@benjamingear1394]

I have an old '49 Ferguson TO20 . My oil filter is in the oil pan. You have to drop a round center cap down to get to it. I also have the added tool box that bolts on the front of the gas tank by the radiator. Pretty cool old tractor. Love the video. Very informative.

[@jackdedert2945]

Like many farm kids, my first experience 'behind the wheel' was on the back of a Ford...in my case an 8n when I was about nine, back in '61. Mostly I did a lot of brush clearance and mowing, and had little issue with over-run. At the end of a row, or a run, I'd just lift the bush hog slightly, depress the clutch and mash on one brake to swing me around. Then drop the hog, let out the clutch and continue on the other way. I had LOTS of practice, and could do it all in one move. I didn't realize it was a 'problem.' I thought it was s feature.

[@keithwarkentin]

Wow was that ever a great idea to take the pump and cover and put it on a Ferguson or a 9N/2N lam so we’ll I just appreciate these videos so much because I am not exactly healthy so sometimes I can’t get out of the house and so watching your videos is like going to a buddies place and drinking a pot of coffee and really diving into a subject I love Ford tractors! Thanks Kevin keep on trucking!😀🇨🇦

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

I do it for you guys!

[@markmcmeen287]

Awesome video ! These are all work horse icons from days gone by. Thanks for refreshing the memory of an old farm boy who is 40 years removed from the farm.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@vicpetrishak7705]

Great Presentation ! Want to mention during early wartime model Ford production the hoods were aluminum , the war effort ended it . Highly sought after and achieve very high prices !

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

The only Fords with aluminum hoods were the very first early 1939 ones. The tooling for steel hoods wasn't ready in time when production started. They were die cast aluminum and proved to be brittle and prone to cracking. They were changed to steel hoods very early on although the cast aluminum grill survived i production until 1941. It wasn't really wartime as the US wasn't really at war until Dec 1941. Then later we would see the steel wheeled "wartime" 2N in 1943. But that's another story.

[@kevingaddis7276]

Well done video. I have two of them, an 8n. And a golden jubilee.

[@robnystrom5690]

Great show man.thanks.i just love tractors

[@tractortalkwithgary1271]

I have a 1940 9N Ford and have the factory Dearborn buzz saw on it. Great little tractor. I am the 3rd owner( my Dad was the 2nd owner) This one has been on this farm since 1960. Still working to this day. New subscriber here

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Great story. Thanks for tuning in!

[@jameslundy70]

I had a 1949 8N, It had the front distributor and a 3 speed trans with a overdrive for traveling, I bought mine for grading snow, and it had a front end loader stock. I loved it, always started.

[@twinturbo8304]

Great video except for the fact, I don't know if I have a two in any in Oregon nine but it runs like brand new and I love that tractor. They sure are used to make things well back in the day.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!!!

[@lylekaufmann5559]

I have no business selling my 641. Drove it home from a farm auction for my uncle at age 10 or 11. I'm 70 and heard they needed me to go plow the west 80!

[@danfarris135]

I think my dad had one that Johnny Cash might have owned or built. He said it was a 9n but it had alot of 8n features. I believe it had a dearborn loader on it also. I can affirm that it had 9n brakes though. The right one was wore out and you had to drive it side saddle and use your right foot to clutch and left foot to brake😉 or drop the bucket to stop!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

You could get an accessory handle so that you could use your left hand for the left brake. I had one on a 2N.

[@joedirt9600]

Great video, I purchased a 1949 8N, I installed new seals in both axles, new brakes and hardware, new carburetor, electronic ignition, and a 12v charging system. It sat at my cabin all winter ( Northern Canada ) I put the battery back in and she fired right up.. I use it for hauling supplies and fire wood into the cabin.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

They are incredible little machines.

[@harvsnaturalhoney5837]

Stumbled across your video & very much enjoyed it. You definitely know your old Ns. I grew up with the N series tractors, did some serious farming with a 52 8N. Way ahead of its time & still a very usable tractor today. Not many have held the test of time like these old machines. I now collect, restore & enjoy them in my older years. No they are not modern but vintage machines ready for work when needed. Never had a Ferguson but may add one to my collection someday. Almost bought a more modern 1000 series at auction today but the old Ns are hard to beat and I know them inside & out. I believe more implements & accessories were made for these old Fords than any of the others. If you know how to properly operate these old machines, they are very safe with their low center of gravity. I have used them in some serouis steep hill county and never flipped or had any accident with one. Keep them maitained and they will not let you down. They were designed for the average farmer to do most repairs with minimal tools and skills. You can't buy anything today like that!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

We have about 14 of them around here.

[@jimplatts6172]

Fergusns came with a spanner marked off in inches for measuring the furrow depth and the size of each end fit any Ferguson adjustment need's.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

@@jimplatts6172 Fords came with them too. They were very handy as a fuel level gauge too.

[@jimplatts6172]

Can't remember exactly. we got our 4000 new in 68 sprung comfortable seat it was a race to get the yard work done and the feeding to get first out in the field dad recond it was worth it's mony just for that.

[@tomedgar4375]

Ferguson TO-30 owner here, that 4 cylinder Continental engine just putts along with tons of torque. It is on the bucket list to restore it some day

[@ldnwholesale8552]

But we have one real Fergy,, the others are made by ford under licence. And grey Fergies and later have a derivation of the Vanguard,, Triumph TR4 engine. And yes I have seen one with the twin carbs,, and it was at least then a working tractor.

[@davidthomas1732]

Thanks. I was wondering what the difference is between the 8n and the fergy. We don't seem to have the 8n in Australia.

[@train1962]

1940 9N here. One piece axles,12 volt, axle bearings sealed on both sides. Nice video and thanks.

[@VStar1749]

Well put together mate, top marks as opposed to some of the other vids making Ford look so special which is not the case as the design was almost stolen from Harry Ferguson but he made it right in the end and that's why we have Massey Fergson!!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

A TEA with 8N lift and pump swapped in is the little tractor perfected.

[@fergusonto-2032]

Great video , I have a 1950 Ferguson TO20 , I too sometimes just ride it around the field to hear it run , Thankyou for sharing your knowledge w/ us , I’ve learned some things I didn’t know.

[@duanebolen543]

That is what they are, they are a Ford. Ferguson Ford engine , Ferguson 3 point and rear end, That's why they work called Ford Ferguson with both names on the front of the hood. Because Henry Ford made the motor an tranation and. Henry Ferguson developed the 3.point.

[@buslife8076]

I have an 8N and a TO35 Deluxe. The Ferguson is a way better tractor. It has a dual range transmission and draught/ position control.

[@skylinevspec000]

different generation by that time the to35 came out

[@buslife8076]

@@skylinevspec000 still a better tractor

[@jasonkilgore1977]

Good video but I’m still confused! I believe I have a TE-20 however I’m not positive. My oil filter goes up through the bottom of the oil pan. Also my starter and distributor are Lucas brand. If my tag is correct it should be a TE-20 sn 48566 year 1948. But I’m not sure if that’s all original or not I feel strongly it is. However I’m not sure where it would have been made? Some did paint the motor/ transmission red.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Yes sir, you have a TE20 made in England. A US built TO20 will be similar but it will have Delco distributor and starter. The TE20 will also have a multi piece grille with separate center bar and fins where the TO20 uses a 1 piece stamped grill.

[@matthewtaylor2185]

I looked at what would be the best for our homestead, looking at power, fuel, parts availability, and handling, and I went with an IH B414. Any of the ones on that series...434, 444 British, 354, 364, 384, and kind of the 424 and 444 Louisville tractors that have the BD154 diesel engine. They are cheap and light years ahead of the n series fords. So much stronger, brakes together(and pretty good after '63), position and draft control, live pto via dual stage clutch. The bd154 diesel was strong, easy on fuel, common, and parts are readily available...and they had CAV injector pumps. The design was simple, but has stood the test of time, it is still being built in some form in the mahindra tractors like the 4540. I love antique tractors of all shapes and colors, but I don't like trying to negotiate modern equipment on the really old stuff. I have tried running a 6ft 3pt hitch bush hog on our farmall 230 with a pto override clutch, and it works as far as making it safer, but it still makes it hard to change gears. I so much prefer the safety and durability diesel, with the ability to change out sleeves and all wear parts in the engine for total rebuild, and dual range transmissions. Power steering is a plus if on them as well.

[@darrell3368]

I have a 1948 8n I rebuilt and love it and I have a 1952 8n I am going to rebuild it to

[@timothymilam732]

I've a TO 20, TO30, 1964 MF 135 with 134A continental, and a 1967 MF 135 perkins diesel that was number 13 off the assembly line according to the serial number. Both the 135's have the spin out adjustable rear wheels, although they're different I assume because of the two years difference in age. Also the Z134A rated at 39 hp engine was to my understanding only used in the first production year which actually made it the forth option in engines available for that year. There was the Z134A 4 cylinder @39 hp, the Z145 4 cylinder @ 42 hp, perkins gas 3 cylinder AD3.152 @ 145.7 hp, and the AD3.152 3 cylinder diesel @ 45.7 hp. Honestly the little Z134 pulls as well as the perkins diesel does, and the fuel consumption is probably equal as well to be honest. They've got about the same hours on them, but I know the 3 cylinder was probably used harder, because the new style paper cartridge filter housing was pretty much filled with sugar sand when I bought it from the estate sale. . But the enter filter was clean as the day installed, and there wasn't any sand between the two filters. Seems to have good compression, but I think the tire size is more of a factor than hp is. The older version has 14.4 x 28, compared to 10.6 x 28 on the 67 model, and don't hold me to the decimal on the tires as memory fails me more these days than helps me. And I have used 2N, and 8N both but the flat heads just don't work as hard as the overhead valve engines do, and the 4 speeds on the old Ferguson tractors seems to be lower 1st gear, and definitely taller 4 road gear makes a big difference even with the Sherman overdrive on the 8N. That and I don't think the Fords rear differential is nearly as strong as Ferguson's are, and I am fairly certain that there's no difference between the TO20, are the TO30's differentials from gears out to the housings, with the exception of the shaft size on PTO shafts.

[@ericlakota1847]

I describe them 10lb of shit in 5lb bag they are small but they did it all compaired to John deer A looked like moster but Luke he sead all they did was pull and no other then ford worked attachments as good.thease where before forstry equipment and loggers like thease in woods

[@todddraheim1180]

I grew up with a 901 with select o speed live hydraulic and row crop final drives, raised the rear axle at least a foot; very handy for logging. Any idea where this fell? After 8n?

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Yes, that belongs to what we call the hundred series from 55-62

[@farmboy971]

I have a 971 diesel. The select o speed came out in 59. That tractor has live pto live hydraulics and Ford was the first to produce a true power shift.

[@randallfair8970]

@@farmboy971 .

[@donaldthomas5852]

I have a IMT 539 tractor with power steering., I bought it because it is the same as a Massey Ferguson TO35 even in looks. I own the tractor for 14 years. In the last couple years I have rebuilt the hydraulic pump and put a new power steering pump on it. I rebuilt the engine 2,600 hrs ago still runs very good. A dependable little tractor starts easily. Very fuel efficient 2.5L Perkins Diesel 39 hp. Great little garden tractor ( roller tiller; 2.14's plow , harrowing)and to use mowing and raking hay. I used a 7ft sickle bar mower. It can pull a roller rake or a 10 wheel speed V rake with ease. Love the little tractor.

[@T0tenkampf]

Very informative, thanks for the video! Looking for an 8n myself which is pretty weird to me given I am a race truck guy lol

[@jvin248]

TO35 Deluxe is the one to get over the Ns. 25-50% more horsepower and a two stage clutch. I currently have two '55 TO35-Deluxes and a '58 MF35. When you go through their contemporary competitors at Deere, Farmall, Case, and Allis Chalmers the Ferguson tractors perform a decade ahead of those brands for performance at a much more compact product.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

TO35 were outside of my comparison scope . That would be the next generation and a Fordson Dexta is pound for pound just as good.

[@frederickbooth7970]

Were very lucky in that a salvage tractor supplier here in Oregon called us a few years ago & told us to come soon as they had a special find for us!! Upon entering their yard we saw the tractor! It was a late model 8N with a Freeman loader & an over / under transmission with 12 speeds! 4 under , 4 over & 4 standard ratio main transmission with what was apparently a fairly recent rebuilt engine that was also converted to a 1 wire 12 volt - ground system. The catch was the clutch was SHOT! We have never replaced a clutch that the throw out was missing almost all the ball bearings! Once the clutch was replaced by us & a new fuel valve w/ bowl assembly was done it runs well & the loader is able to lift 9 or 10 feet high with at least a 800# capacity. Have never tried high gear in the overdrive on the additional speed range transmission. 4 high in main transmission is plenty fast. These tractors can be used for tilling but the secret is to till the ground in neutral gear & allow the tiller to push tractor forward in hard ground. Later after initial ground breaking then one can use a low gear at just above idle to finish with ground preparation. Very fortunate as the 1st 8N that came with farm had a Farmhand loader & all 3 8N`s we have are side mount distributors.

[@dandrane1251]

In 1963, my father traded a BF Avery on a 1953 Ferguson TO-30. Most of our neighbors had 8N Fords. I thought the Ferguson was superior in most respects. The Continental engine had more power and the whole tractor just seemed more substantial. He had to add the overriding clutch for bush hogging. Some things were quirky like starting it with the shift lever. On my father's death, my brother got it and traded it for a newer Ford.

[@leonardditaranto6681]

I have a furgie to20 with a 1939 9n engine slaped on it.this thing is a monster

[@user-lo6cf3df1x]

I have a to 35 fergie for the last thirty years, Been in the harness for 67 years. Great little tractor.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

They are fantastic little machines.

[@robertreznik9330]

Very informative. The TO20 was the first tractor I drove when I was 8 years old in 1949'. I had to become an expert on how to stop the tractor with the pto. I didn't know shredders were called Brush hogs until 25 years later. The first rotary shredders or mowers were made by the Servis bridge company in Houston, not Brush Hog. Now owned by Rhino Equipment Co.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!!!!!

[@therealguygarage2668]

Always enjoy seeing your tractors

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks!

[@derekevans8266]

The Ferguson system was so successful because it revolutionised all equipment that was used in farming at the time and you need to understand what happens with draft control to understand why it was so revolutionary. So before the Ferguson system all implement were just dragged along the ground and wheels on the implement controlled the depth. for instance a plough would have a wheel on that would adjust the depth of the furrow. With this method there is no weight trans fare to the rear wheels from the plough the tractor just pulls it along rather like towing a four wheel trailer. The difference with the Ferguson was the " plough " or whatever is being carried on the tractors hydraulics all the time even when it is below ground, the angle of the plough would tend to suck the plough into the ground this would then pull the tractor down as well in effect adding weight to the rear of the tractor, when the correct depth was reached the tractors hydraulics would gently lift the plough so it didnt bury itself into the ground too far and stall the tractor, at this point the plough would be "floating" underground constantly and automatically being adjusted by the settings on the hydraulics. What this meant was that a far lighter tractor could be used to plough than previously because it didnt need the weight for traction. Thats why you will see at this time all tractors got a lot smaller and did the same job as the huge ones before. Later Massey tractors had pressure control which was a brilliant idea and no one ever used it.

[@cdjhyoung]

Very good summary of the system. The sole short coming of the Ferguson system was that it didn't scale up easily as horsepower increased. At about 60 horse power, the implement became heavy enough to unbalance the tractor when the implement was out of the ground. At that point, more powerful tractors that still tried to use the Ferguson philosophy of using implement down force to add traction to the tractor went to a semi mounted plow. That way most of the down draft of the plow was added to the tractor's traction, but the weight of the implement when in transport position rode on the wheels of the implement (mostly).

[@richardcline1337]

I used to have an old 8N along with the plows, box blade, bush hog and other implements. Then my precious gift from God that was my wife passed away (22+ years ago) and I just couldn't see a need for them anymore and sold the whole lot. That was one tough little machine and fun to operate.

[@larryhewitt1078]

Love to upgrade my fathers' 8N brake seals. I put a 8volt battery to start easy and still have positive ground, but may upgrade to 12 volt and you can get electronic ignition . Dennis Carpenter Ford has all the parts for 9N 2N and 8N even sheet metal too! Check them out !

[@a3a14613]

Where's Dennis Carpenter Ford? I'm going through Cryderman Industrial out of Markstay, ON for my new to me 2N parts.

[@larryhewitt1078]

@@a3a14613 check Google on internet

[@timstillion6842]

Great video! Very educational. Would it be possible to talk to you by phone? Have so many questions, I have a 1940 9N that I am fixing, would love to talk to you. Thank you.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

There's an open email in the info section of my channel home page and you can DM anytime using messenger on my FB page facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057091974873

[@johnirby493]

Henry Ford stole the 3 pt system when he came out with the 8n. Harry Ferguson sued him and eventually won.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

That's not quite exactly how it went. Ferguson and Henry had a handshake agreement regarding the use of the ferguson system on 9Ns and 2Ns from 1939 until Henry's death in 1947. That is when things went sideways wiith the new Ford regime. Ferguson won the dispute in court, Ford had to stop using the "ferguson system" badge even though the very first 1948 8N grills were drilled to accept it. Ford made some slight changes to draught control so it was legally "different" and they added position control. And the rest is history.

[@jeffsiegwart]

Great info. Thank you.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@CallMeNovaGirl]

Thabk you so much for the help. I inherited an 8n from my dad a couple weeks ago, who inherited it from my great grandfather late last year. I'm bringing it to shows because it's in such good condition. I'm 23 and don't have much knowledge about it other than what they had taught me. I'm a car gal so I already understand enough, but this helps a lot. Thank you very much.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching. Check my playlists for LOADS of Ford tractor content.

[@redblazehorse]

Well Done! I grew up on a 52 8N of my Dads. I still have it and need to rebuild it sometime. I currently have a 1950 8N front distributor that serves me well. They are great little tractors.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

I can't imagine the world without them LOL

[@mariosanchez6104]

Excelente video gracias por compartir , el 8N creo que es el mejor 👍

[@annamaydonegan1708]

We have a ferguson 20 diesel and a few ferguson implaments

[@Wexdue29]

The English TE & TEA engines were basically Standard Vanguard car engines. The Petrol ones had an 80mm bore and the TVO ones were 85mm. Given reasonable care and attention, those engines lasted almost for ever. They had a full flow oil filter with a felt element that needed changing with every other oil change, if the oil pressure stayed low after an oil and filter change, a new oil pump spindle was needed. I knew one that was used for heavy work for more than 25 years and was still going strong when it was sold.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

TVO ones over here are very rare. The TEAs we got here had the 80mm initially and around the time they switched the air inlet to the dash panel (1950ish?) They started coming with 85mm.

[@normhowes2975]

Was nice to see a couple of those still have their hat rims. Was saddened when you mentioned Zane may have passed away as l bought my ZaneThang directly from him 7-8 years ago. I love that thing for the brush hog on my 43 2N.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Yes, Zane is gone. But his legend and inventions live on. All my Fords have hat rims. I buy whole tractors just to get them. They just don't look right with loop rims.

[@randalmentzel573]

Wow! Lot of great info. Thanks

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching !!!!!

[@robertlong7033]

My father's TO30's block cracked, vapor locked but was simply worn out when traded in for a MF150D.

[@cecilmckeithan5088]

Got a 49 8n with front end loader boy was that fun to set up.

[@matthewdumont5023]

Wow that sherman LIVE truly is a rare find, wish i had one. I didnt know about the 8n hydraulic cover and pump!, I will definitely find a kit and get them fitted to my 55 Tea20. Will it keep the height at the desired spot regardless of lift cylinder wear?

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

As long as its running, and depending on the weight of the load, even a worn cylinder should float an implement. And bear in mind to install the 8N lift on a TEA, you must cut out a hunk of the casting so it will sit down in. This makes some folks not want to do it, but mine has been like that for years with no ill effect.

[@matthewdumont5023]

@@ClaremontClassicGarage Which portion do you have to cut out? I got a 8N cover and pump.

[@billlittle4285]

As a kid growing up on the farm the 8N was my hot rod, could shift all gears on the go,could get it sideways a bit going around a corner , on dirt that is, could do a tuneup on it when I was 10 the front distributor was difficult, my dad would take it to get the cows in morning and if the grass was wet the damn thing would quit, by 10 o'clock in the morning the thing would fire right up,it didn't like early mornings, I guess I didn't much either lol, good video!!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching and sharing your memories!

[@kameronrogers2568]

I would love for u to come work on my abs tell me what year my 8n is and put one of them 2 speed trans in mine lol

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@justinsane7128]

Have a Fergy with a loader. Grandpa bought it new.

[@dyer2cycle]

What is the serial number on that incorrectly painted 1940 9N? There are a few other incorrect things on it, in addition to the steering wheel...such as the hinged battery cover, and likely the single-rib rear fenders are not original..still, it is in decent shape for an early 9N, and is deserving of a proper restoration....

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Its a late 40 and everything on it is letter correct. Aside from the boat steering wheel. The snap in battery cover and double rib fenders were history by the time this one was made

[@dyer2cycle]

@@ClaremontClassicGaragePerhaps so, I have a feeling everything didn't happen in the exact order it "officially" did...for example, I would have thought the smooth hubs would have disappeared before the snap in cover and 2 ribbed fenders..but they probably used whatever parts they still had on the assembly line that day. I have seen several 41's with the forward-mounted grease fittings on them. Your '40 probably originally had the 4 spoke truck steering wheel on it. It is an early enough tractor that it deserves a proper restoration. On swapping the smooth hubs out for riveted ones to collectors, I would discourage that, and instead encourage anyone with a tractor with smooth hubs to try and determine the serial number/date it instead...if they have a single, double, triple, or even quadruple digit serial number, the tractor is worth far more to a collector, and they likely could trade it to someone for a later 2n/8n in far better condition, if a work tractor is what they are looking for...no need to further "frankenstein" a low-serial number tractor....

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

@@dyer2cycle eventually, it will get the restoration it deserves. There is lots to work with. It spent its whole life on a golf course and was never left outside. And yes, it would have a 4 spoke wheel.

[@dyer2cycle]

@@ClaremontClassicGarageGreat to know it will be restored! :) Hopefully with correct all gray scheme,not red/light gray 8N colors that so many people feel compelled to put on 9N's/2N's...heck, I've even seen Fergies people have painted like that. Curious, I wonder how that 9N wound up with that odd green/red scheme?

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

In this same video is one of the last 47 2Ns made that was painted red and gray by the selling dealer in 1947. it has lovely patina and will stay that way as long as I own it. But my 40 will be done properly. It deserves it. My neighbor has a 40 in spectacular original condition except it has had riveted axles swapped in. probably on warranty way back when. It also has one of the few intact original aluminum grills that I have seen. It is on 32s unlike mine.

[@connerg019]

This man is awesome!!!!!! Fucking love everything about this video!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!!!!

[@a3a14613]

I just got a 1946 2N as well, with a loader and some kind of an open cab roof, no other goodies, and I haven't got it running yet either. I wish it was just the simple magneto version, maybe a bit less to figure out. A couple buddies say they have some implements laying around for Ns, just not real close to me.

[@tomrobards7753]

You forgot to mention the axle seals are notorious for leaking

[@WoodchuckNorris.8o]

I got a fergy. If it cracks like you say, then what? Do the remanufacture the heads?

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Its the block that cracks . skilled welder can fix it but usually not worth the expense.

[@skylinevspec000]

Fantastic video. Whats the proper name for the drive disconnect? i want one

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Its a Sherman Live PTO. Very rare to find today.

[@barking.dog.productions1777]

Dude, you are awesome! You can tell right away by he way people talk and present themselves... looking forward to more videos. :)

[@larrywoodruff7530]

Harry Ferguson was truly brilliant, without his hitch system, farmers would have had to really struggle.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

He changed the world.

[@thelandshark8103]

Nice video, I have a diesel 8n, could probably do with a new bonnet and side panels but it'll do for now, They're hard to find here. I have rebuilt the hydraulic pump and replaced the lift arms. I have a pair of original front wheels for it as it has a pair of Ferguson wheels fitted at the moment. It was fitted with a factory perkins p3 conversion kit in 1954

[@weiggie66]

Excellent information. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

my pleasure!

[@Liamautomechanic]

Grey ferguson is the best.

[@craigsmith8217]

Grew up on a TO20 1950 Ferguson. It was a member of the family. My cousin has it now. Still runs. He rakes hay with it.

[@rainbowboa100]

be smart, get rid of any old ford tractors they're all more trouble than they're worth!

[@backachershomestead]

Amazing how many ford guys don't know about the 2n.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Its mostly because Ford never changed the serial number prefix from 9N to 2N.

[@Bret4207]

"...the propensity for draw bar tractors to flip over backwards..." That was enough for me. There is NO propensity for drawbar tractors to "flip over backwards". Only when a fool hooks onto something well above the draw bar is there a propensity for a tractor to raise it's front end, which happens with Ford and Fergies too if you put the 3 pt drawbar up high! Way, way back in the teens and 20's people using early Fordson tractors could flip over backwards if they were misused which is why the later models had extended rear fenders, but that was 20 years before the Ford/Ferguson partnership.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Please watch this film produced by Harry Ferguson inc in the 40s that explains it crystal clear. I stand by my remarks.kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3LEm6WKodyJd7s

[@ChevyConQueso]

Missed a couple obvious differences for someone unsure: foot pegs on the 9N and 2N, and the rounded radius arms on the 2N. Most of these machines got aftermarket running boards but you'll still see foot pegs above them. For anyone considering these machines, get the replacement PTO shaft. It's stronger, and it won't shear in half after 8 months like the POS hecho en chine adapters you find at TSC etc. I do believe the Howard gear reduction box is the preferable one over the Sherman, as it keeps the PTO spinning at regular speeds. Good video, I still learned some things I didn't know about these (especially the Ferguson). We had a couple 8Ns around on the farm when I was a boy, and I learned to operate tractors and drive in general on a Ford NAA a few years later.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

I was more concerned with functional differences as I can only fit so much into a short video. The Howard is good for rototilling but they are very fragile.

[@cdjhyoung]

I don't think all Sherman transmission worked in the same manner. There were a few Sherman transmission designed to be added after the normal transmission that gave the same PTO speeds as the Howard boxes. Sherman transmissions really added to the usefulness of these tractors. The one thing I's surprised the Sherman Bros didn't invent was an on the go high/low box. Everything they made required the tractor to be stopped to shift gears.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

@@cdjhyoung All Sherman transmissions went in front of the tractor's transmission. The only ones behind were the Howard and Everett.

[@ChevyConQueso]

@@cdjhyoung Definitely, an add on box like an IH "Torque Amplifier" or Ford "Dual Power" would make these things so much more useful.

[@dyer2cycle]

Actually, the 2N's had the I-beam radius rods until about mid-production, mid-1944 or 1945. Sometime after that, the 2N's got the rear housing castings that had open fender bolt holes in them, like the 8N....

[@baddog9320]

Also, let's talk plows. Where I moved they only use single bottom plows for 9n/8n. But where I came from. You can buy an original Ford double bottom plow. I kept mine. And yes they did in fact come with a two bottom plow. That junk yard had pamphlets from 1939 for my 2 bottom Ford plow for the 9N. I've used that plow behind 9Ns, 8n, and even a little grey market Yanmar. How to change a 4 foot Yanmar to 5 foot. Buy the bottom 5 foot bars and take off the 4 foot. cornering is tighter while using. But I ran a brush hog plow and many other 5 foot on it like this. unfortunately my son ran it dry on water. Engine froze and because it was a Grey. I couldn't get it repaired or parts I even had a Yanmar dealer keep getting my ads removed. Talk about JERKS. I will never buy a Yanmar again because of how Yanmar acted.

[@WWG1-WGA]

Who shot JR 😂 😂😂😂😂 love it ❤🇺🇸

[@TF856]

My dad had four different fergies during his career. A 60, 200, 220, and a 175.

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

Thanks for watching!!!!