Ford PATS Key Programming Problem and Solution

[@stanwalker8924]

I had the identical problem on a 2007 Ford Exployer after PCM change. I spent many hours trying to program. Your video helped and I thought I would need a cluster. Found code P1260 locked into PCM. Did 10 minute security access again for the 20th time. Reset the unlimited key mode to disabled or turned it to off mode. Then did parameter reset. Did the key programming and the keys worked with security lamp indications just like yours and the vehicle started. I hope this helps you and others.

[@isommain9847]

Thank you for this reply, worked for mine also after having multiple people trying to figure out why keys wouldn't program, your post did the trick, 2007 Lincoln Navigator Thank you again Very Grateful

[@lemuelrivera9727]

Thanks it worked for me perfectly

[@jackmama79]

Can you clarify, you turned off the "allow spare key programming" and then reset parameters and turned it back on? or left it off and were still able to add new keys?

[@woodstovehooters4558]

I suspect I’m having trouble with my PATS, even though my 2007 Expy has been stripped down to a roller/camper (removed front end, powertrain, drivetrain, dash, seats, etc) that I plan to tow as a sleeper/camper. I decided to NOT rewire everything, since the fuses/relays in the BJB and SJB give me about 99% (still no SJB power to 5A “radio” fuse #28 for some reason) of what I want (window operation, lights, etc) with just a few jumpers. I hear the internal relays clicking on/off in the SJB which I assume is the PATS going haywire, but not sure how to disable. I may expose the PCB of the SJB and see if I can solder something to kill the annoying clicking sounds. Any pointers?

[@MichaelChandler-w9y]

7:01 I have a 2002 sports Trac lost the keys had a locksmith come and make new keys could not program into ignition and make it start I've tried everything what do I do can I take a keyless ignition and start the truck or would the pats system stop that

[@allan92flores]

I'm having the same issue on a 2012 Ford escape had keys program only works for like 2 days & then security light comes on . Could I send it in to you to see if you can pair them & what would be the cost to do this kind of work pls let me know thank you

[@chazlott4695]

I have seen this same issue two times. The solution here is if it’s a ford use a Lincoln or Mazda key as one of your program keys and it fixes it. I personally took one of the chips out of the original key taped it to a Lincoln key that was used and it fixed it. The second time I saw this issue it was a Mazda. I used a ford key again (used) and it fixed it. I cannot explain why or what happens when you do this but it fixes it every time. I also saw this on an 08 Explorer I used an S stamped (used) Lincoln key and it permanently fixed the cluster and all keys programmed. Use the key as your second key in IDS programming procedure.

[@paultodd2826]

You should speak louder. It's very difficult to hear you,even with my volume all the way up!!

[@80gritt]

I bought a 2008 f250 at auction and I can only get it to program 1 key with Forscan. How many times can you program a key to the vehicle. Once I delete all keys it won't let me reprogram one again only new keys.

[@MichaelChandler-w9y]

I have a 2002 sports Trac lost the keys had a locksmith come and make new keys could not program into ignition and make it start I've tried everything what do I do can I take a keyless ignition and start the truck or would the pats system stop that

[@sumosidnz]

I have a Ford Ranger 2015. I have one working key, the other was damaged by sea water. Took it to Dealership for new keys. They have been unable to program new keys. They now want to replace the BCM. Does this make sense? Should it be the PCM?

[@BcottStudios]

Sometimes my cars theft light will blink fast when i turn it over try to start but it wont start or crank. It happens randomly. Sometimes it start right up, sometimes it will happen but then eventfully start after multiple tries and sometimes wont start at all, even after a hour of trying. And this is my daily car. Please let me hear your thoughts. Ive been researching and looking things up for hours.Thank you

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

What year and model vehicle?

[@BcottStudios]

@@IntegratedAutoModules 2004 ford Tuarus

[@jahsehguajardo4594]

Im having the same issue in a 98 gt but now will not start at all only cranks. Any help would be appreciated!

[@BcottStudios]

@@jahsehguajardo4594 Mine ended being the anti theft PATS transceiver. Cost about 15 bucks and 5 min of work.

[@jahsehguajardo4594]

Thanks ill give it a look

[@stevenfoster-gp5yx]

Do you have a place on your website where you can show how to build the test rig you have on your table I would love to build one

[@patrickchou4124]

Hi! Have a question, how to remove the key's program? Can we change the system to a normal old school key, coz we got this second hand ford charger overseas from the USA, but sometimes this key just won't work, do you recommend to remove the program or to fix the key ?

[@josegarcia-th3pj]

i swap pcm and the ring from one working escape to another, and I end it up with theft light on, any sugestion

[@josegarcia-th3pj]

so the small control for lock unlock the door, also do not work, I reinstall the pcu and the ring from the escape no working on the working, turn the engine the goes off(about 10 second), but the control works in this, so i was thinking all the code are store in the pcu, but I think this is not true

[@brandonbennett7865]

I have a 2010 Rx8 that I am in the process of building and I tore the entire car apart and unplugged all the modules and am now having an issue where my key isnt being read due to the immobilizer. I am getting 2 codes; one for a CAN communication bus fault, stating a receive error and the other for a PATS transceiver error. With your experience, would you say that my key got unpaired from my immobilizer and thus causing my issue? Would it be as simple as calling a locksmith and have them re-pair my key to my car?

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

If it ran before you tore it apart then you're likely missing power or ground at a module and/or the ring. Check all the fuse boxes.

[@brandonbennett7865]

@@IntegratedAutoModules I checked the fuses and they're all good. The car hasnt had power for a year and I've seen a lot of immo issues with the Rx8's and Mazda 3's i can take out my dashboard and double check everything. Do you think the ground issue could be in the engine bay and not inside? Asking cause I had the engine bay painted

[@brandonbennett7865]

@@IntegratedAutoModules I also sent you a couple emails with a little more information

[@jamesmckillop3019]

Hey man? do you still do this? I am currently fighting with a 2002 f150 that IDS says it can not connect to the PATS module. I have swapped out the cluster, the PATS/remote box under the dash and the transceiver ring. I keep getting a 1-4 code on it. IDS takes about 30 seconds to time out.

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi, Send an email [e-mail]

[@shawndivelbliss9356]

I have an 01 f150. I lost keys . Put a new switch an have a set of transponder keys I have a diagnostic scan tool tht allow a me to get I. There delete and re learn keys . They will not program I've even tried another set of Ford keys.. do you work in these can I send mine to you I'd either like them program med or just delete pat system out all together..

[@allan92flores]

Would I be able to send my computer & keys to you for programing ? Just let me know how much for the repair

[@PeteSambolin]

Can you disable PATS with the IDS program..!? On a Ford F-350 2008 with a V10

[@roberttemple9899]

I have same problem ive replaced everything nothing works mazda 3 2004 security light blinks fast no start

[@cman4r]

I have 04 f150 i only had one factory key took it my local locksmith to get a second key program. Every work fine when i left but after i turned it off it want start back up. Was told the error code was the anti theft wasnt letting them fuel pump come on. They had to reprogram the keys. But it keeps doing it. Any ideas of what might be going on

[@markphillips6945]

What are the wires color on the plug to mobilize ring

[@ronniemccreary3362]

Hey man I have 04 f150 that is doing the same thing no crank I had a lock smith come out and he was thinking the key die he made me a key no crank I will name everything else I have put on it cluster a hole steering column with a key and pcm together off the same truck then lock smith come out same thing then went buy a transceiver had him to stop by and look it same thing so I have been out of anything to drive to work I need help bad

[@gregorypiercesr.2769]

great video! i lost my 2010 ford ranger keys and did get a couple cut, now i need to figure out how to program at least 1 to get it rolling again, it's 300 miles away at a relatives home and i keep watching vidios where they use magnets to bypass the security system, does this work? thanks again

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

The easiest solution would be to call a local mobile locksmith. Explain the situation and verify they're capable of resolving the problem.

[@MrSuperchargedv8]

im in the same boat right now. Have an 09 focus. Keep getting the p1260 for theft detected vehicle immobilized. And a bcm or ic code for less than two keys stored. Transceiver is doing its job. Just got two new ford blank keys today to get away from aftermarket key. I noticed that if I do a parameter reset cluster will not come alive after; I thought I read somewhere that a successful parameter reset will end with cluster coming back to life from all dark.

[@keeponkeepkeepingon8376]

integrated what state/and/country is this work taking place in this video?

[@snowblowertruck]

I’m working on trying to program two smart keys to a 2015 escape for a used car lot. I’m getting a “programming fault” at the end of the 10 minute security period. I’m not in any need of software/tools….but I sure could use some knowledge on the testing of wires and control modules. Then being able to decipher what the readings mean. (It would also help if the vehicle was inside with some heat.) This particular vehicle is not getting a signal from the transponder ring, but the transponder ring does have continuity.

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Swap the ring if it's cheap and easy. Or you could backprobe the ring data wires at the PCM (or wherever the wires lead on a 2015 escape) with an oscilloscope to see if any data is arriving.

[@snowblowertruck]

@@IntegratedAutoModules well, I don’t have an oscilloscope, so I’ll probably have to just swap out the ring. And then look into possibly purchasing one. Thanks for the advise.

[@LB-or2jh]

Need your help please 2012 ford transit key problems

[@damianmatuszyk2473]

Are able delete pats for my 09 F150? Light blinking, won't start

[@justindavis5146]

Hi my name is Justin and I work at a service garage. We have a 2008 ford edge 3.5 L and one day the vehicle would not start and I looked into the problem and there was a code for transceiver not found and minimum number of keys not programmed. So I cleared the keys and tried to reset them but I am not able to do so. The back story is that the customer put the key in the wash and it threw the anti theft light on. I purchased a new oem ford key and PATS transceiver ring but still not able program keys. The theft light is solid when key is in the ignition and turned to run. I have tried to reset the perimeters and erase all keys and reprogram new keys the only key that flashes rapidly is the old washed key. Could it be the gauge cluster like described in the video. I have battery voltage going to the PATS transceiver.

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi Justin, I had a similar case on a mustang this week. Replacing one of the PATS keys and the cluster fixed the issue. In my case the key that caused the rapid flashing theft light was faulty. Give us a call if all else fails.

[@RileyCarson]

Have a similar issue on my 2011 F350. Let the batteries die and get really really low, hit lock/unlock while batteries were barely charged and exterior hazards started flashing repeatedly and got dimmer and dimmer. Then once I charged truck batteries up and try to start, no crank. Check PATS with Forscan and "Number of stored keys: 0" as well as B10D8 and B10DA. Thinking I might be dead in the water for gaining security access to reprogram my two original keys.

[@efrenpanisjr2141]

How are you sir. My name is ej. Got a couple of questions for you if you don’t mind. Thank you

[@mohamedvishah9814]

Im having the same issue with my 2014 mustang. I replaced the pcm and did a parameter reset before erasing and programming keys. But still the pats light is on constantly. Could not start the vehicle. The fds dtc shows minimum number of keys was not programmed. Will there be an issue if the new pcm is not programmed to the cars vin or is it the instrument cluster to accepting the keys ?

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

The problem is not the vin. If possible scan the security PID for current number of PATS keys leanred to verify at least 1. Buy a few new ignition keys and retry; one of your old ones may be faulty.

[@mohamedvishah9814]

The car had originally 1 key when i bought it, but now im trying to programe with 2 keys the other being an aftermarket flip key with the same transponder chip 4D63 chip. Is there different frequency to the keys that is not being read by the key ring? Also it has 1 key programmed and had dtc with less than minimum pats key

[@mohamedvishah9814]

Any update on this issue?

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Was the 2nd key cloned from the first? If so, you'll need another key.

[@mohamedvishah9814]

@@IntegratedAutoModules its not, its a new key. I did the same procedure as you did but end up with the PATS light on. Also the old key isnt erased as lock and unlock also work after key code erase fuction.

[@notacoyote2790]

I took my 2011 mustang to get the 2011 premium cluster swapped into it. They said they knew how to do it but they were unable to program it. They had a bunch of problems getting the old one to work also but they called me and told me it back working. When I got there it was cranking but the dash said there is a security fault. I think they rigged it somehow just to get it to crank. I’m really freaking out about it because I don’t know what to do. I really want the premium cluster to work but if I can’t then I want it to be working like it was before that. They were using snap on. Can you fix it

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi, Send an email [e-mail]. I'll likely need both clusters, the keys, and pcm.

[@lloyddarst9144]

Got a pcm from pick and pull for my 2002 f150 need help

[@sergiovtorres]

I am having a similar issue on a 2001 mazda b3000 i can delete the old keys but cannot program the new keys it starts but as soon as i turn it off the theft light turns on flashing and wont start

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi there, It could be cluster, pcm, pats ring, keys, wiring, programming tool, ect. You can ship the parts to me for testing/programming if you've run out of options.

[@sergiovtorres]

Integrated Auto Modules thank you for the reply, i fixed my problem they sold me the wrong keys got the correct ones works now.

[@kiscokwakye8889]

Please what is the name of the tool

[@Rebel-from-Hell]

If you mail the customer back their pcm, keys, and gauge cluster. Will the keys not be reset since they got disconnected?

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

The key info is stored in nonvolatile memory and does not get erased when it's unplugged.

[@birdmangarage]

I’m having the same issue but didn’t have an issue with the old PCM and cluster. The cluster is out of a donar car and was installed without PMI but we were able to add 2 keys to identify the crank no start. Did not have the original cluster. Got a pre programmed PCM, did a parameter reset with one scanner, removed all keys and now unable to add keys. Tried a second scanner and now also unable to do a parameter reset. Tried the old pcm and still unable to add keys again to the cluster. Pats light stays solid. Any help?

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Are all the part numbers the same?

[@birdmangarage]

@@IntegratedAutoModules the pcm part numbers are the same. It came pre loaded with the as built data. The cluster is out of the same year escape, but not original to this car. We never had the original. Tested the transceiver with an antenna tester and it seems fine. It just seems odd that we were able to add keys to the cluster before but not we can’t. We performed a perameter reset in the IC section of the scanner and it takes the reset. But we can’t seem to perform a perameter reset under the immobilizer section, it fails everytime. Using 2 genuine ford keys

[@nazeemkhan8582]

I have this exact same program cluster is damaged

[@josegarcia-th3pj]

IT IS POSSIBLE TO WRITE VIN NUMBER ON A PCM

[@moosestangls5099]

I got a 04 f150 could you delete Pat's for me

[@Shortytools]

What program do you use so you can program the keys?

[@deerhunter8533]

Ford IDS

[@italktoplanetsbaby]

Thus guy won't answer you.

[@mytouch551]

Hey would I be able to send you my components and you tell me what do I need to buy. I'll pay for your services

[@tabhunter8763]

How can I contact you for services?

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi, email the vehicle details and problem to [e-mail].

[@jonathanclark6489]

so much value!! amazing content!!

[@madueke]

I’m having the same problem with my 2012 Ford Fusion I have two keys both open and close the doors manually and via remote. Anti theft light on car won’t start also mileage to empty blank.

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi, has it had any recent repairs? Does the theft light blinking rapidly with the key turned On?

[@madueke]

It was in a wreck hood was dented. Theft light is blinking all the time, even when I try to start the car. Also miles to empty isn’t showing

[@madueke]

Yes, theft light blinks rapidly when light is on. Also, the chime noise gets increasingly louder.

[@bill731990]

what software ARE YOU USING

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi, In this case the software is Ford FJDS.

[@timmcinnis3505]

How to remove the cylinder

[@TheHartReview]

Great information

[@joejones4018]

pats went off on my 98 ranger now there is no fuel any body know how toresolve this issue needing to go to work

[@aro5276]

Did you figure anything out? Same issue with my 98 GT

[@ibrahim-rx8eo]

hello i'm samir from algeria and i have a focus 2006 1.8 tdci i have pb with pats 0 keys programmed and i can't upgrade the keys can u help me

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

What parts have you replaced?

[@ibrahim-rx8eo]

@@IntegratedAutoModules no parts replaced

[@freddy32420]

Dude, why are you whispering?

[@steveknoff6325]

Looks like it's night time. Maybe everyone sleeping....lmao

[@nazeemkhan8582]

Maybe you guys need clean your ears 😂😂😂

[@JuanRodriguez-jl7xm]

There has to be a way to delete this completely and use a regular key,this whole antitheft bs is way too annoying and time consuming,im having issues with my f150 and im getting close to launching the chip on a bottle rocket.

[@italktoplanetsbaby]

Just junk it like I did mine. I've been burned enough.

[@feyrrari]

I am working a 05 Lincoln town car. Key not programing after deleting keys, all keys lost. I deleted the key to reprogram original keys. Fob remote works. But the blade key wont start the car. I think its the PAST transceiver. 🤔🐒

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

Hi, You have 2 ignition keys correct? Is the security light blinking rapidly?

[@feyrrari]

@IntegratedAutoModules yes but I deleted all keys to try and reprogram but reprogram failed.

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

I'd check voltage and grounds with the ignition turned on.

[@feyrrari]

@IntegratedAutoModules thank u ill do.

[@bluemoon3264]

Don’t understand what you’re doing ?

[@MichaelChandler-w9y]

I have a 2002 sports Trac

[@josegarcia-th3pj]

toyota only use a inmobilizer and the pcm for her security, ford also use the cluster

[@dannypalmer7701]

Voice too soft.cant hear.

[@nickw5700]

speak up!!!

[@a2002zx2driver]

why are you whispering?

[@manuelsalgado8510]

Should speak louder, can hardly understand you

[@anthonyfranco8527]

I sent email

[@AncientApparatus]

This guy need to get ALL his information together BEFORE making a video! EXTREMELY ANNOYING!!!

[@steveknoff6325]

Speak up dammit....

[@MichaelChandler-w9y]

7:01 I have a 2002 sports Trac lost the keys had a locksmith come and make new keys could not program into ignition and make it start I've tried everything what do I do can I take a keyless ignition and start the truck or would the pats system stop that

[@MichaelChandler-w9y]

I have a 2002 sports Trac lost the keys had a locksmith come and make new keys could not program into ignition and make it start I've tried everything what do I do can I take a keyless ignition and start the truck or would the pats system stop that

[@IntegratedAutoModules]

You'll still have a pats issue. Does the theft light blink rapidly with the key turned on?

[@MichaelChandler-w9y]

7:01 I have a 2002 sports Trac lost the keys had a locksmith come and make new keys could not program into ignition and make it start I've tried everything what do I do can I take a keyless ignition and start the truck or would the pats system stop that