Ford ruined the manual in 2018, NA build series D4 MT82

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[@coyotefury]

Very cool and right on the money Alex! I had to go 456's when I was na to wake the car up. It was terrible with the 373's. It was almost impossible not to bog on the launch and it was only in 3rd gear across the stripe, as you said. Great video!

[@rufracerplayer]

Been saying the D4 is trash for ages. Ford claims it was for emissions reasons, but I think it was to get a better return on investment from the 10R80. 🤔

[@midnight347]

This

[@NNN-rc2vc]

The 10R80 will always have a higher take rate. It's also in way more application than just the S550. It's emissions. Did they nerf the gearing and screw us over in the process? Yes.

[@169abr]

Ford ruined the MT-82D4 to really let the 10R seem amazing, driven both and Gen 2 gearing is almost perfect.

[@BeardedForever]

And sell $1600 transmissions as an option.

[@midnight347]

This x1000000. If they left the gearing alone the gap wouldn't be near what it is performance wise.

[@midnight347]

To fix the issue people need to run a 456 gear to be similar to the gearing the old trans was with 373.

[@adrianmansaw9163]

@YDBT4LIFE I’ve been patiently waiting on you to drop this video! I am right in the thick of things with my 2019 Bullitt and have only been able to manage a 12.3 @ 111.63 with every single mod that you mention in this video, minus a bias ply tire out back. I’m on a 305/45/17 MT ET Street R, but only because I’m running a Clutch Tamer Hitmaster Clutch Hit Control System. I launch at 7K rpm and out of three consecutive 12.3 passes, My sixty foot times have been 1.74, 1.80 and 1.84. These are all NA passes, but I do have a 150 shot of nitrous on the car. I know this is a long post, but I wanted to share my personal struggle/journey in trying to get into the 11’s, in hopes that I can contribute to the information that you’ve provided here. I have to say that the process has been extremely frustrating, but I’m going to stick with it until I can make it happen. Below is a complete breakdown of my mods: - Subframe braces - Diff. bushing kit with through bolt kit (black bushings) - Subframe bushing supports - Hardcore diff. bracket - Subframe alignment kit - Adj. rear camber arms - RLCA Spherical bearings - Adj. toe links - Billet vertical links (delrin bushings) - 1 piece driveshaft - Driveshaft safety loop - Tri-ax Race shifter - Adj. motor mounts (set to drag race configuration) - Idler and tensioner pulleys - KellTrac Ultra Spec Viking Inverted double adjustable rear shocks - Forgestar D5 17X10 beadlock drag wheels with 305/45/17 MT ET Street Radials and 18X5 front runner with MT radials - Ram Pro Street Twin Disc Cerametalic clutch with lightened aluminum flywheel - Built MT82-D4 transmission with Cryo and WPC treated hard parts, carbon fiber lined synchros and a Setrab external fluid pump for cooling purposes - Ford Performance half shafts - Ultimate Headers catted long tube headers - Steeda X-pipe - Steeda axle back exhaust - PMAS CAI (no tune required version) - Nitrous Outlet GT350 plate nitrous system (jetted for 150 hp and E85 fuel) and ProMax progressive controller - Lund Racing tunes for 93 octane, Flex, E85 and Nitrous - JMS Boost-a-Pump - N2MB WOT Box 2 step controller with No Lift Shifting The car makes 469 rwhp/434 rwtq naturally aspirated and 639 rwhp/602 rwtq with nitrous. Lastly, here are the three video links to the aforementioned 12.3 passes kzbin.infoKZmoaM6dLKI kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3K5dY2ohsiVsLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/pV7LenuDbs5sd9k

[@Speedfreak_260GT]

Which gear are you running?

[@adrianmansaw9163]

@@Speedfreak_260GT I’m running a 3.73 gear, but I have concluded that a 4.56 gear would more than make up for the crappy D4 gearing. I’ve been on the fence about whether to pull everything back apart and either install one in mine, or leave it as is and stop throwing money at it. I already have a small fortune invested thus far, lol.

[@leog99gt56]

Knowledge is power!! Great insight, Alex!! 👍

[@DippinItUp1]

Having owned a gen 1 3.73 car I always found the gearing way too agressive for the street and the gas milage was terrible. Just picked up a 23' GT base mt82 with the 3.55 gears and I actually love it on the street. Way less shifting, better gas milage and the longer gearing on highway rolls is way better, just punch it in 3rd gear and let it keep pulling, feels so much faster than my old gen 1 car with bolt ons.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

The easy answer is 3.31 gears in a gen1 mt-82 good fuel mileage and performance wise it smokes the d4 mt-82.

[@Ws6Ms]

​@@rileyneufeld7001I doubt it's that much of a difference to get smoked

[@rileyneufeld7001]

@@Ws6Ms You clearly don't have a clue how much of a dud the d4 mt-82 is.

[@midnight347]

Like shifting a modern manual is soooo much work I mean come on how lazy are yall? Lol. The gearing sucks ass for performance when na and there's just no way around that. The performance would be ALOT better with a 4.30.

[@DippinItUp1]

@@midnight347 again it all depends on what you are doing. The gen 3 has way more torque and power than previous gens so even with the long gearing it feels punchy all the time but I primarily do roll racing so the longer gearing really shines. If you were doing a lot of dig or quarter mile stuff then sure shorter gears would be beneficial.

[@spr4nova449]

I installed 4.09 gears on mine (was 3.55). A huge difference, the car now is more fun to drive.

[@Elbeerad]

how is it on the highway? thinking about doing the same to my gen 3.

[@allthevibes46]

My 2020 whipple D4 loves it with 3.55 gears. Granted I don't do digs, but the power is definitely used. The car was whipped from day one. Stock whipple tune for maybe 3k miles, then Lund tuned at 823whp for like 30k miles then added ARH headers. 38k miles on the stock clutch and all so far🤷🏿‍♂️. My suspension/irs is pretty done up, but yeah. I would never take my shit to the dragstrip as is though😂. D4 isn't all that bad for many

[@JurXMusic]

how are the forks holding up? I'm building an ess blown track setup and hoping a mix of strategic shifting for smooth runs at the track, and the usual weekend warrior shit in the canyons will make my 23 d4 live for a bit before I go with a loud stage 3 from calimer

[@allthevibes46]

@JurXMusic shift forks are still fine. Not sure all that you're saying😂, but I won't take my boosted car to any track with a completely stock transmission/axles/drive shaft. You're asking to break shit trying to hook and book at the track like that with boost

[@JurXMusic]

@@allthevibes46 i should call it a road course... not the drag track though :D Good to hear the shift forks are living with the blower! Gives me some hope haha

[@NepBobbers]

Just noticed bro upgraded his camera setup 👍🏼

[@fgj8379]

Been waiting for this one. Looking forward to the boosted version even more now. Than you, Alex! Also who was waiting for the sound clip, "not one MFer!!" When he said nobody's gone 9s? Lol.

[@Sabotfit5oh]

Great video brother, always knowledgeable as always. Keep up the good work.

[@shanebatten6473]

Gen 1/2 with 3.73 and d4 with 4.09 is almost identical final drive. If you look at the splits of the gears, they’re almost identical, it just starts with a longer first.

[@midnight347]

It needs more than a 4.09 more like 4.56. These things are geared much longer.

[@shanebatten6473]

@@midnight347 optimally yes. But if you figure the drop in ratio per gear, they’re almost identical, the d4 just has the numerically lower ratios. So a 4.09 in a D4 and a 3.73 in a pre-D4 would essentially be the same final drive. Which means if you were shifting both cars at the same rpm they would be going virtually identical speeds at that rpm.

[@townhall05446]

4.56 may seem extreme but that was a very common rear axle ratio at the strip and for many cars on the street, even with a big block that redlined at 6000 or so. I had a '71 Plymouth 440 with a 4.56 and 4-speed.

[@Apophion]

You da man! Thanks for these videos!

[@streetpulls780]

There is mt82d4 cars running 9s stock trans, rtx clutch, bias ply. Dont take this guy as gospel. Boost your coyote the way it should be and your 3:55 is perfect gearing to emjoy the boost and use 4th in the 1/4. my car n/a is very top of 3rd end of 1/4 116mph just tune intake and exhaust, stock headers 3:55s

[@bobbyj870]

Gen 2 mt82 behind gen 3 coyote 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

[@robostyle9773]

Thanks for another great video

[@NNN-rc2vc]

Anyone know if the gear ratios are the same for the MT82 on the '24? Assuming yes.

[@adrianmansaw9163]

Alex, do you guys turn off clutch protection in all Lund tunes for MT82-D4 cars? If so, does running a throttle controller cancel/override what’s been changed in the tuning, thus affecting the cars ability to launch as well as it would without the throttle controller? Thanks

[@brocklndrs]

What's up GT500Alex!!

[@HarleyJetSled]

Underrated comment 🎉

[@stewart-D]

Hi , did a track day yesterday and (gen 2 boosted whipple mt82) headers and exhaust car wouldn’t rev above 5000 . I threw a P0161 so at home I pulled both cats of and bank 2 cat had come loose and jammed against the o2 sensor, I had removed all the cat debris and reassembled the exhaust, pulling 7000 again now . My question is do I need a retune as lm now catless ( in Aust)

[@adrianmansaw9163]

Alex, do you have any 1/4 mile data on an 18+ MT82-D4 with a 3.73 gear, on drag radials and bias plies out of Florida? I’m wondering what a normal et/mph looks like in a FBO car (minus cams) on E85 fuel tuned by Lund? Is 12.30’s about what should be expected? Any help that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[@payamkhobdeh1471]

Hey Alex, question for you, what is the value of an IMRC lockout? My understanding of IMRC is that it is meant to get alter the profile of the intake to optimize performance at different RPMs. But I hear allot of people lock this out, why would they do that?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

If the imrcs have to open and close on a boosted car, people tend to lock them open to simplify tuning. .power gain is negligible. And it's mostly for fuel economy and maybe emissions.

[@adrianmansaw9163]

@ydbt4life can you touch on what Viking double adjustable rear shock settings were needed to run the low sixties that you ran in your S550?

[@joshraleigh101]

Good video 👍

[@Gmny1MOA]

I have an n/a 21...glad to hear ab the 409s i may try to do that next...w the 355 gearing it is not good to launch...if you roll in ab 4k and stab it youll get into power but the 60ft is always horrid in mine i quit trying lol other than that tho i rlly love the 355s just cruising around

[@midnight347]

It will help alot but honestly I'd do a 456. These things are geared long. People were doing 456 on 96-98 cobras 30 years ago this is nothing new. Same thing it revved to 7000 stock or more modified and the old 5 speed has long ass gearing just like the new d4 does. People forgot about all this from 11-17 because Ford actually geared the Trans correctly for an na coyote which is why 373 was perfect and even 331 performed well. 331 w old gearing is kind of like 4.09 w the new bs gearing. People never really wrapped their minds around the gear change in these cars. I said from the start it needed a 456 if na and 4.09 would work well boosted. You hardly ever see someone put the right gearing into one. You see 4.09 but that is it. People won't gear it correctly because they're used to the thought that 373 gear is enough. Not even close.

[@fidelella6549]

Thanks Alex

[@randy2645]

Truth, And the Gen 1 and 2 mt82 is so much fun to drive with a 3.73 or 4.10

[@midnight347]

373 is perfect for them when na. 4.10 is prob gonna run out of gear in quarter unless you're bone stock. The new trans needs a 456 to be comparable that would help it so much but for some reason people won't do it. I almost wanna get one myself just to show people they can perform when geared correctly.

[@JetEngineOz]

Why did I think the D4 MT82 came into play in 2019, or was that just when downshift rev-matching came into play?

[@fgj8379]

Rev matching

[@isaaccrews7521]

I was thinking about road course track days. What do you think would be a good mustang for that as far as year and modifications. I'm researching for now, but I would like to have an all-around car that's is reliable, streetable, and I really don't want to do too many modifications. I feel confident with suspension work. I've always had to do suspension maintenance on my cars myself.

[@notacoyote2790]

What kind of 60ft would you need to run 9’s with all the other things you said.

[@YellowFellow86]

Is this gearing better for Autocross/Track use?

[@midnight347]

Not really unless you like going over 150 mph in 4th with 373 gear. If you like top speed it might be lol. For drag racing its terrible.

[@YellowFellow86]

@@midnight347 Thanks for the info.

[@lstnlne7399]

just like anything upgrades ate the key. 2019 gt mustang blicked crack @40k racing replaced with Aluminator 5.0L engine n/a 12:1 compression transmission failed @50k replaced with Calimer mt-82d stage 2 cryo treated mirco polish gears carbon synchro rings and billet forks mantic 9000 clutch MMR pulse ring MGW shifter dds drive line g force half shafts boobma trans mount bmr drive shaft guard bmr stop the hop rear braces and k brace fhp differential steeda differential brace ateeda clutch spring vmp tune roush cold induction mangnaflow competention three inch exhaust dw-400 fuel pump cold case radiator mishimoto radiator reserve fhp high output alternator odyssey amg battery autosport roll cage stiffings up the chassis bmr and steeda completed suspension mods pedders coil overs w external canisters turn your trac control off per McLeod rst whuch failed within 10k and engine masters just buy the basic and make your own upgrades watch zander13 and stagmode and engineering explain and scotty Kilmer smooth as butter and rock solid one badd pony 😊

[@YDBT4LIFE]

This mf said watch zander and stangmode......hahahahaha

[@Drummerjtw88]

I hate the D4 trans. I’ve had 3. Now I have a Mach1 with a 3160. I’m assuming the car will do quite a bit better with the 3160 gearing?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

YEs but the tremec is weaker than the D4, the D4 holds more power.

[@BrandonLewisM]

4.56 is the only way to go NA in a D4.

[@JR10_RR]

Can basically hit 60 in 1st gear with my Bullitt. E85 is mandatory with these.

[@JR-us1ne]

I plan on doing a ess with my 2019 manual. Going to try and keep the stock trans but change the clutch. Thinking it can hold 600whp

[@adrianmansaw9163]

The 2019 will hold 600 rwhp. My factory clutch held at 639 rwhp/602 rwtq on a 150 shot, but let go on the drag strip. I now have a Ram Pro Street cerametallic twin disc in it.

[@JR-us1ne]

@@adrianmansaw9163 i dont plan on putting it on the track. Just wanna have that extra power to have a lil fin here and there

[@SaVarMatner]

​@@JR-us1ne I'm running a ESS G2 blower on the 120mm in my 2020 gen 3. Making mid 600RWHP. Vehicle will be ok if you follow proper protocols and not try to do more than the vehicle can handle. If you are going to run pump gas only 91-93 then do not go beyond the 120mm in gen 3s 115mm in gen 2s. This will keep the psi in the 9 to 12 psi range which is safe for the boost level. Gen 2 can run 12psi due to lower compression. Gen 3 should not run no more than 10psi due to the higher compression. This will keep your power around upper 500RWHP to mid 600RWHP. If you plan on running more boost than that you better run some high quality octane booster at least every 2 fill ups, race gas, or E85 after fuel system upgrade. Hope this helps.

[@Bowman210]

Solid axle swap for 9s

[@alieany5830]

maybe you could do a build series for gt500's next

[@JetEngineOz]

He could probably do that in a single video honestly for S197 GT500’s at least. S550 GT500 video will hurt some feelings when they hear the truth lol.

[@eurly93]

Didn't Ford update the D4 shift forks after 2020 to avoid breaking during fast shifts?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Whatever they did. They still break

[@CALISPEC1]

Ford has replaced 3 MT82s in my 2020 pp1 (Lund Tune only car that only has 15k miles on it)…. I finally installed a vengeance stage 1 and it feels much better so far. Ford has given me a premium warranty for my trouble but that’s little consolation for putting POS transmission in these cars imo.

[@townhall05446]

I am not totally thrilled to have an MT-82 in my '16 Mustang but given the better ratios and shift forks compared to '18+, I guess it's the prettiest sister in an ugly family.

[@YDBT4LIFE]

You're a Ben calimer stage 3 away from loving it

[@mrtorque6488]

What about a Gen 3 with the Tremec?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Waste of time. Get a Ben calimer stage 3

[@mrtorque6488]

@@YDBT4LIFE ok, so how would you build a Mach 1 if that’s what you had?

[@AliAlhussaini]

McLeeOdd

[@TheHotSauceGT350]

I maybe wrong but that D4 is almost like a T56 setup

[@midnight347]

The gearing is similar they're much longer than the 11-17 mt82. You need a 456 to be sort of like 373 in those. People fear the gear and you can't on an na coyote with long ass trans gearing. This is why the 10r performs so well its the gearing advantage. Put a 456 in a manual w driver mod all the sudden it isn't that far behind a comparable 10r.

[@mikeianno]

Its very similar to the gearing in the mn12 t56 from a c5 z06 but still with wider splits. 2.97 2.07 1.43 1.00 .84 .55

[@GTFDN]

Sold my nitrous 2020 because of this shit transmission always got locked out of 3rd or 4th

[@Shiftnlift]

Yup went to a 10r80 from the stick 0 regrets

[@GTFDN]

@@Shiftnlift selling my vette soon going back to a gen 3 with a 10 speed ! Miss it

[@Shiftnlift]

@GTFDN understandable what year vette? And yea man I had an 18 pp1 lost 3rd and 5th then put in a used transmission from a friend lost 3rd and 5th again . I had a mgw shifter on it. Ford said they'd fix it if I returned it back to stock lol. Mind u this was my 3rd manual mustang. 03 13 and 18. So i knpw how to drive stick .I sold it to carmax for 26500 I owed 21000 on it didn't tell them about the transmission lol. It went in to those gears parked fine. Got my 10r80 2 weeks after should've done it first time. No lie I do miss the engagement of a stick a little but sport mode and the acceleration of the 10speed makes up for it a whole lot lol .night and day difference in speed

[@CALISPEC1]

Out of curiosity did you happen to try an aftermarket clutch?

[@GTFDN]

@@Shiftnlift my vette is a 2011 ls3 M6 big cam it’s just a terrible daily lmao hard to get in and out super low and the big cam is ass ! It’s crazy fast and super sexy but that’s it

[@gutallama]

do you need a driveshaft if you want to just go 11.3 at most

[@YDBT4LIFE]

I would

[@FrankArcher-ow4yp]

@@YDBT4LIFE Alex gearing is even worst on a stage 3 calimer mt82 d4 ? correct? also didn't ford fix the shift forks on the mid production date 2019 cars? ford had a moisture/water issue in the casting process.

[@White_Fox_5.0]

​@@FrankArcher-ow4ypwhy would gearing change just because calimer rebuilt it...

[@eric4472]

@@White_Fox_5.0because they use a different gear set in the stage 3

[@gutallama]

​@@YDBT4LIFEaxles too?

[@9SecondStreetMustang]

But Alex what about FFE? Free Flowing Exhaust!

[@ZONES89RS]

Gotta have gear to move a heavy car when the first gear ratio sucks. It is just what it is. Unless you make real power then it just has no choice

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Exactly. Supercharged it's a great trans gear ratio

[@joedaniel7450]

I don't watch the lives but when is the next car video? Wrenching

[@szabopali]

4.56 here on 3gen, night day difference, now im going for ESS G3 then maybe switch back to 3.55 😂