The Social Climber Who Ruined America’s Richest Family | Alva Belmont

[@mrsbluesky8415]

I love how the super wealthy called their summer mansions “cottages.” A 50 room cottage.

[@elizabethsohler6516]

Doesn't appeal to me. Too much cleaning!

[@wowso4]

@@elizabethsohler6516 lol they had servants

[@elizabethsohler6516]

@@wowso4 They did. I don't.

[@jodavis650]

I live in a cottage it has 4 rooms lol 2 bedrooms, living room and a eat in kitchen....in the woods.. and I love it..

[@luljetasali6584]

Just like Harry " Frogmore cottage " 😂😂😂

[@muszaj]

she literally guilt tripped her daughter into her first marriage for her own social ambitions, when she was in love with someone else, so alva really made her young years hell. how ironic that she was so heavily involed in the women's rights movement but failed to respect her own daughters right for chose her own path at the same time.

[@latefanelum1303]

I believe she joined the suffragette movement after her daughter stood up against her and divorced her husband. Her daughter was also a suffragette, so they could have gotten closer during this time.

[@katiecook6006]

That's exactly what I thought. Can you really sell your own daughter and then be a "hero in the women's movement"? I guess, if you're rich enough...

[@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470]

Virtue signalling, just like too many people do nowadays.

[@merricat3025]

@@katiecook6006 if she did this after her daughter stood up to her like the first comment said maybe they got closer and she actually changed and agreed with the movement. People do change

[@martinadrempetic2395]

Yes. She pretended to have a heart condition and didn't stop until Conselo accepted to marry 9th Duke of Marlborough

[@Elyse1997]

I have been to marble house and her house with Belmont. She definitely had a hand in those houses. I recall that a tour guide would say to stand in a certain spot. They would then point out it was higher than the rest of the floor. It made her look taller, to stand out! She was a character..

[@argusfleibeit1165]

My floor does that, but I need to get the joists repaired.

[@edwarddantoni4372]

The Vanderbilts didn’t lose their fortune they spent it, it became subdivided amongst many children and was eventually taxed by the inheritance tax over generations. The trust funds established kept generations comfortable for years.

[@spencerwilson3298]

My thoughts exactly.

[@7996hobguy]

Anderson Cooper is the great-great-great grandson of Cornelius Vanderbilt.

[@ElizzzaB]

No one could predict the Great Depression lie ahead also.

[@tammystewart10]

Biltmore House in Asheville NC is still outstanding and much love thanks to one of the Vanderbilts.

[@tammystewart10]

Biltmore House in Asheville NC is still outstanding and much love thanks to one of the Vanderbilts.

[@franciebelcher4594]

Ugh. Can't imagine having THAT much money and still end up broke. These ppl were stupid entitled 😑

[@sarahfirebaugh4795]

wemin will do that to a family. lol

[@carey579]

@@sarahfirebaugh4795 aren't you supposed to be a wemin troll? Whose picture have you stolen?

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

Who could have guessed a social climbing feminist elite would ruin America’s richest family?.. her ilk only happened to ruin America and western civilization.

[@MissCane9]

@Ekaterina Kozhevnikova New Money

[@merricat3025]

@Ekaterina Kozhevnikova well, you can't take it with you

[@brida5923]

Cornelius and Edith were decent Vanderbilts. They gave back to their community in the Biltmore area featuring Biltmore mansion, farm, and gardens. They provided good living conditions for the time. They employed migrant artisans, contributed to the preservation of wild lands (helped cradle of forestry) , employed hundreds on their farms, village and dairy, showcased the rising talent of landscape architechture genius, Frederick Law Olmsted, who designed Central Park, among many other iconic green spaces. George died of appendicitis only a few years after building Biltmore house and gardens. Vanderbilt University in Nashville, TN is a premiere institution of learning still going strong today.

[@willcox4561]

Wrong Vanderbilts. George Washington Vanderbilt II built Biltmore House.

[@kellyestes5482]

Anyone else watch HBO’s The Guilded Age ? Obviously this is where the story line came from, right down to Carolyn Astor.

[@Agapy8888]

The Vanderbilt museum is in Long Island NY. It’s a huge mansion with beautiful grounds. The rooms are all decorated with statues, boating memorabilia, linens, coins from all over the world. My kids just loved it and spent the whole day there. Thanks for the narration connecting Alva to the Vanderbilts.

[@janetcw9808]

That sounds amazing, best wishes

[@Agapy8888]

@@janetcw9808 Aye Janet. It was great. It’s a nice excursion for young and old. 😘💎🌈

[@psychedelicpayroll5412]

And they are struggling to find a heir to run it

[@ashleelarsen7765]

The greatest Vanderbilt memorabilia is *Anderson Cooper!*

[@ashleelarsen7765]

@@psychedelicpayroll5412 check with AC 360* I'm sure he did his homework

[@steelman86]

At 11:06 this shows my Great, Great Aunt Annie on the left. She worked with Pankhurst for suffrage in England! My two other Great, Great aunts started the Montessori school in New York and eventually retired to Morro Bay, California.

[@doberman1ism]

I lived in Newport, Rhode Island. The story of how Elva forced Consuelo into marrying the cruel Ninth Duke of Marlborough is much more interesting.

[@ForgottenLives]

Probably should have gone into more detail but that story i would rather save for if i do Consuelo's life!

[@asthemoneyburns]

@@ForgottenLives You are correct far better to devote one whole episode to that story alone. The American dollar princesses, so many to cover... But Consuelo is one of the biggest.

[@suesheny]

So much to this story. Runs deep and very evil!

[@SilverSunPublishing]

I read a biography on her; very sad, but at least she eventually got free of the duke. @@asthemoneyburns

[@d.l.l.6578]

Not to mention Alva forced her daughter Consuelo to marry the Duke of Marlboro, thus making them both miserable.

[@waverider8549]

Consuelo's autobiography "The Glitter and the Gold" is a fascinating read.

[@JoniBurtKnapps]

@@waverider8549 Thank you! I just put it on hold from the library. Can’t wait to read it 😎

[@wdm5552]

We are talking about a ducal family in England, the Marlborough's. Not cigarettes! @@waverider8549

[@suzannetitkemeyernlq]

Just wanted to chime in that I've been watching your channel for over a year and I love the content. Keep up the great work..

[@roxytocin8639]

In the US, the term "suffragette" was considered a slur - it was a diminutive meant to belittle women's fight for the vote. The correct US term is suffragist or women's suffrage movement. The term "suffragette" only had a positive connotation in the UK, but even there it was contentious.

[@notme7090]

I don't see how she ruined them. She played the game by the rules available to her at the time. It wasn't her fault the rest of them had no financial backbone. As for what she did to her daughter, that was extremely common back then. Consuelos fate was shared by many women. Not that I condone it.

[@cogitoergospud1]

The “Rule” back then was that women must squander the family fortune on massive ostentatious houses out of a narcissistic desperation to feel important? I must have missed reading anywhere about that rule, lol.

[@pamelahicks517]

They were called Dollar Princesses. A reprehensible life being sold into loveless marriages for a royal title.

[@pamelahicks517]

I'm glad you did a video about her daughter, Consuelo. Alva was a horrible mother and sold her daughter into a loveless marriage for a British title. I'm glad Consuelo was finally able to marry the man she loved. Alva was so obsessed with wealth and title she'd do anything to get it and keep it. I have no respect for her wasteful spending and helping destroy the Vanderbilt wealth. I can understand why her husband was unfaithful. Her husband should have found a way to limit her spending ability. She wasn't a very attractive woman either, inside or out.

[@shannonbyrne7352]

In my opinion, Ava was trying to do what she thought at the time would bring her daughter the most success and "happiness" in her own life. For Ava, who was obviously very cunning, power was everything. And the only way a woman could have any sort of power at the time was through the social and economic standing of their husband. At some point, Ava obviously realized that she was misguided, and risked her own social standing to divorce at a time where that was incredibly taboo. Later. she dedicates her life to women's suffrage so that women could have a standing in society in their own right. Clearly, the relationship between Consuelo and Ava was mended later in their lives. It's admirable that a woman who who "had it all" (wealth, social standing), and realized that still didn't make them happy ended up dedicating her life to making life more flexible and accepting for the rest of us.

[@nobatime]

I love this kind of history, but I’ve learned so much more from your videos. Love your work!

[@ForgottenLives]

Glad to hear!!

[@iceman4660]

So she really didn't ruin them. The old blood simply became envious

[@karlakirkpatrick2214]

There's a Chinese saying about marrying the wrong person, I can't remember everything but it says basically marrying the wrong person can cause poverty for life, not just money but just being miserable.

[@MADesigns_]

Love history, and love this channel. It’d be awesome if you did research on “José Rizal y Mercado”, the national hero of the Philippines and martyr, but reluctant Revolutionist. His fictional novels *unintentionally* sparked the Philippine Revolution against 333 years of Spanish colonialism. His execution fueled the revolution even more. So much more to know about, he’s really an interesting person to research about.

[@taythemay4451]

I see his statue all the time. Definitely do a video on him! Or Nieves Fernandez a female school teacher turned guerrilla fighter in ww2 she's so hardcore.

[@gaylereid8264]

Ooo, i like the sound of this one !! I’ve always wondered about how Spain & the Phillipines ever became entangled !!!

[@Carolbearce]

This was really interesting to learn. Well done. I love the history I learn from you.

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks very much!

[@ELKE-]

Thank you for all work on your videos. As always, excellent narration! Loved this story so much!

[@janetcw9808]

Hey Elke 😊

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks as usual Elke!!

[@ELKE-]

@@janetcw9808 Hi Janet! Good morning 😊 Sorry, i was sleeping! 5am here now. Good night to you

[@ELKE-]

@@ForgottenLives You're always very welcome FLives!

[@janetcw9808]

@@ELKE- Hope that I didn't disturb you 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@tashokukisune]

I just adore your channel! I’d love to know more about you... what inspired you to be interested in history? How do you do your research? How do you come up with new ideas? Love your program though!

[@denisesmith2745]

Same here !

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks! Always loved history while in school and because of certain shows and going to historical places growing up! And I get recommened lots of stories and others i find myself!

[@pistolannie6500]

Would like to see u do a Q & A.

[@kaysmith4594]

Same!

[@psmh4]

Where are you from?

[@berenicewaters4096]

An amazing story from the Guilded age. I saw the Sky production of the Guilded age and I think it was based on this family. Thanks for the research of this family.

[@asthemoneyburns]

The Vanderbilts are definitely a family that keeps on giving. They are also part of creating the Metropolitan Opera in NY due to their being forbidden access to the Academy of Music. I cover several Vanderbilts throughout the Great Depression in my podcast As The Money Burns. Alva's son Harold Vanderbilt is 3 time America's Cup champion and the last to serve as an excutive in the railroad. Alva's nephews and nieces through former sister-in-law Alice Vanderbilt will cause other stirs. Nephew "Neily" Cornelius Vanderbilt III struggles along while his wife Grace Wilson Vanderbilt tries to live the last days of a reigning society queen. Their son Neil (the IV) will have plenty of his own troubles too...

[@oneminuteofmyday]

I just discovered your channel a few days ago and have been mini-binge watching. Your videos are interesting and enjoyable. Thank you for your hard work.

[@spencerwilson3298]

I don't necessarily think it's her fault. Had she not asked for the mansion to be built and thrown the party, the Vanderbilt's wouldn't have been able to enter NYC's high society and they may not have had the lasting legacy that they have now. Gloria Vanderbilt may not have been able to enter the fashion industry and become a household name. As for the other Vanderbilt's who decided to follow suit and also have huge mansions built for them. That was their own choice. No one was at fault except for themselves.

[@angeleyeszarai]

I think her contribution to woman's right to VOTE.... in 2 different countries. Is way more important than how she & her family spent their money. That should've been the title, my opinion. RIP Queen Alva & thank you. 🙌👑

[@kevindias5182]

You could make your own video and give it your title. My opinion.

[@pamelahicks517]

I think that's about the only productive thing she did with her life. The rest of the time it was gaining and flaunting a position in high society while wasting too much money in doing so. The way she treated her daughter was reprehensible, deplorable, and inexcusable!!!

[@ELKE-]

Really love your stories, and always find myself back to relisten them. Thank you FLives. You're amazing! Ps: More ads for you 😊

[@barrydysert2974]

i hadn't stopped to think until now that it's been barely a hundred years since women were franchised, given the right to vote! That was only forty years before i was born! These kinds of revelations come more frequently with age! Some of the Vanderbilt descendants may disagree, but i love the way She and the others squandered the Commodore's fortune! They have left us with some fabulous architecture. Wealth made of the backs of millions of people can now be enjoyed by millions of people for many years to come. Thanks for the excellent content !:-) 💜🙏⚡️

[@MsLogjam]

Sounds like the Vanderbilts were a classic cautionary tale about being careful what you wish for. Was a calling card from Mrs. Astor worth all that? I've never understood people who obsess over such things.

[@Momocl323]

When you have everything else, you obsess over what you can’t have. It’s actually very human. They just wanted to be accepted, not outcasts.

[@MsLogjam]

@@Momocl323 They had plenty of friends and plenty of creature comforts; they were hardly outcasts. They should have ignored the Astors and made their own circle. The family was a good example of how people who always want what someone else has tend to wind up with nothing. This is true whether you're rich or poor.

[@LeTrashPanda]

Image and power is everything to the affluent, regardless of the century....that has never changed. The bane of 'new money' is not being a blue blood 'old money' important person.

[@MsLogjam]

@@LeTrashPanda I'm betting they could have risen instead of fallen if they'd spent more of their fortune investing in science, medicine, and industry. They could have created something like the Nobel or the Pulitzer but it sounds like they were mostly going to waste by the time Gloria was born, with her aunt Gertrude being one of the exceptions. Gotta love the Whitney Museum.

[@--enyo--]

She must have had an amazing personality to get those two guys.

[@carrieeawbrey2830]

Always intriguing content & I absolutely ♥️your voice! Thanks Forgotten Lives for another stellar story. Much ♥️& all the best! Have a great day/night all! ♥️

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks for all the support 😊😊

[@barbstrand2207]

Thank you! I visited the Frederick Vanderbilt mansion in hyde park in September and became very interested in the Vanderbilt family tree. Thank you for providing insight into Alva Vanderbilt. I didn’t know she was more than a social climber. We’ll done.

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Always interesting. Thank you. Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@bubblelemodrop3]

Very interesting! I didn’t know who she was until now. Thanks FL!

[@shadrach6299]

The Astor/Vanderbilt story reminds me of The Age of Innocense”. Great book by Edith Wharton and great movie.

[@thatsmyjam6065]

I love your videos. Thanks so much for highlighting forgotten women!

[@SavingHistory]

I very much enjoy your program, especially when you highlight lesser known historical figures.

[@hepsabaptron00]

A little off topic but Americans please note - there are amendments to your constitution! In this video it is mentioned in regards to female suffrage. It could just as easily be an amendment regarding firearms. So sick of hearing people say "it's part of our constitution" as if it means it's insurmountable to change it.

[@hisforhistory]

Great video. Love your calm narration.

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks:)

[@roweng.4245]

"Fifty-room 'summer cottage'. . ." (looks around my little eight-room craftsman-style house, shaking head. . . )

[@mcmpereira1]

eight room is a pretty big house.

[@foxworthhall726]

This is a wonderful overview! I have been intrigued with this family since I was a kid and visited Breakers and Marble house.

[@brightbulb9778]

Another interesting video well presented. Thank you.

[@verucasaltbaum2358]

Another interesting and fascinating story! Thank you!

[@ForgottenLives]

My pleasure!!

[@giaatta9303]

Awesome. Fascinating. Thank you

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

Alva’s second husband’s name sent me for a loop. Oliver Hazard Perry Belmont, I knew he must have been named for the “Hero of Lake Erie”, Oliver Hazard Perry (War of 1812). Whom I’ve always known is in my family tree, but hearing Alva’s 2nd husband’s name, I googled to see if he was a descendant of OHP and turns out he was. So, I actually have a somewhat connection to the Vanderbilts and am a probably very distant relative to the Belmonts. How interesting!

[@bobbyrutherford9359]

I truly enjoy watching all of his videos they are always very interesting

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks very much!!

[@yureituesday]

Have you covered her daughter Consuela’s life?

[@oevilone]

That'd be a good one!

[@ForgottenLives]

Not yet! Might have to do her soon!

[@isabelbarroso3381]

Alva forced her daughter Consuelo to marry an English ducke just to give her access to British nobility.

[@kimberlymcgee7954]

@@ForgottenLives please do

[@kayhathaway6956]

Well, I’ve listened to your channel for quite a while, but, this is the first time I’ve seen you! You are absolutely gorgeous! Why aren’t you a movie star? I’m very serious. I love your stories!!

[@pamelahicks517]

Yes, he is a very attractive young man. I love his accent, also. His videos are always well researched and interesting.

[@tinylichau1529]

Just love love ur stories keep up the Great work

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks!!

[@Nunofurdambiznez]

VERY interesting content! Had no idea all this was going on 'behind the scenes" as it were.

[@annfisher3316]

Such an interesting, headstrong woman, thank you for this Gilded Age video. How fortunate she took her crusade abroad!

[@thomasmargolis6057]

The vanderbilt was unique, where the fortune was made, and the subsequent family members ran through the fortune. The greater interest in spending, and too little focus on re-generation and maintaining the fortune. The fortune was lost and left with an Anderson Cooper that found his own path to wealth.

[@maryroberts9315]

The city in Alabama is usually pronounced “mo-BEEL”. You pick really interesting people! I highly recommend Newport, RI for a vacation. Amazing Gilded Age mansions and plenty of other American history. Excellent beaches, as well.

[@jeanetteshawredden5643]

English is not his primary language. How many foreign languages do YOU speak!!!

[@gwenjones667]

Greed gets them every time

[@grapeshot]

She shopped them into poverty.

[@ForgottenLives]

Indeed!

[@wowso4]

Well she deserved it they owned slaves!

[@susandemetry7158]

Alva was certainly not the only Van Der Bilt that spent money with abandon. She brought them into social prominence virtually singlehandedly.

[@janejones7638]

I appreciate you speaking about her suffragette work. She lived quite a life, some good and some bad. Wow, I didn't know that France didn't allow women to vote until after WWII.

[@cocoaorange1]

Nor did I.

[@maryfitzgerald4812]

Australia and NZ gave women the vote in the 1890s and 1901.

[@dannybeun948]

Shop till you drop…

[@gregoryholstein4224]

Thank you for these videos, I just discovered you yesterday & have been binge watching, you are a very well spoken young man & I appreciate all your research. Subbed immediately. Cheers.

[@jennygirl225]

I can only imagine how painful it must have been for those "New Money" folks back then. How did they bare the shame and not to mention the struggle🤢🤮:)

[@MsShabriaGxo]

Another interesting video, thank you for sharing ❤️

[@katielancaster6376]

That's fab that suffragettes escorted her, great story

[@leanneblake4248]

Women were given the vote in New Zealand 1894-6? Australia was 1904. I beleive it was Finland ?? who was the 1st Country. As always Thankyou.

[@Pierre_en_CI]

I never miss Forgotten Live video, also never miss Unfortunate Ends all very good.

[@Elje41]

Very educational Thank you

[@bintadembele6047]

Don’t know how accurate the portrait in thumbnail is, but she’s giving major Karen vibes imho

[@777Iwish]

thankyou for your research

[@weilandiv8310]

"I would wait on the hot sidewalk all afternoon, just to get a glimpse of Consuelo, departing their mansion in her open carriage" -- O Henry.

[@karenjarrett8904]

Very interesting. Thank you.

[@denenehumphrey-smith320]

As an Alabama resident, I can't let you get away with the mispronunciation of the name of the city of Mobile, Alabama. The correct pronunciation of the city is mo-BEEL. The emphasis is on the second syllable.

[@ladyk3196]

I don't understand by listening to the story how did Alva ruined or help ruined the Vanderbilt's money??👀 Sounds like her in-laws was the one who ruined the families money, by being jealous and envy of Alva and her husband. Just because they had the money to do things the entire family shouldn't of felt obligated to spend the fortune just to satisfy their needs or have a high social status. From the looks of it, from listening about other socialites she seem like one of the ones who did manage to evolve herself even after her 2nd husband passed away, she didn't have to continue living in political lifestyle she could of moved on, but that shows growth when you don't self center yourself like other socialites that became lonely in life or broke for rest of their lives.

[@RachelMbuki]

Anderson Cooper is doing a great job carrying on the Vanderbilt name so not all was lost 🧡🧡

[@janetcw9808]

Great work and Very interesting comments below 👍🏻

[@avivatal614]

Important to add that the suffragette movement agreed to put their active struggle on hold for the duration of the 1st world war. This was the reason the vote was granted to them after the war ended in 1918.

[@maryfitzgerald4812]

But some countries had suffrage up to 25 years before then. Eg NZ and Australia

[@kathrynwaters7705]

Awesome story well done!

[@lynnelashua3817]

A Well Behaved Woman gives a very different view of Alva. It was a great read…faction

[@ellaeadig263]

I don't know if we can blame her for the family's demise based only the fact her in laws wanted fancy houses like her - having said that, she obviously was not a very nice person, especially to her daughter.

[@dominick8847]

This shows how issues are intertwined. There is no clear cut team of angels and evil. There are just people playing different roles.

[@franklee538]

Oohh so “The Gulded Age” on HBO is partly based on this story. Nice

[@hkbabel]

Thank you very much!

[@PeterCombs]

Alva didn't wreck the Vanderbilts, they wrecked themselves one by one by doing nothing and living off Grandad's trust. A typical pattern for many if not most "old money" clans. Rags to Riches to Rags in a couple generations.

[@pamelahicks517]

They were new money, not old money. I think income tax had a lot to do with both new and old money family wealth declining. Old money were people that had families that were very wealthy for many, many generations. British wealth is a good example of old money. I don't think there's any really old money left unless you're the top ruling royalty of a country like Great Britain. Lesser people with royal titles often give up their family estates to be run by the government for tourist attractions. Some have their home open to paying tourists while still living in a small part of the mansion so they afford to keep the house and grounds up and still live there.

[@knowitall3503]

Check out Reggie Vanderbilt - he did absolutely nothing but gamble and spend around 10 million over 20 years with nothing to show for it. Inheritance stiflels ambition.

[@AaronSmith-kr5yf]

I find it interesting how almost none of the mansions people like Alva built in New York survived. Most were knocked down before they were even 50 years old. That lifestyle of living in one of those houses fell way out of favor, nobody wanted to have an army of 30 servants to run a house like that. Nor could they afford it by the time the depression came around and bankrupted a lot of these people's vast fortunes.

[@LeTrashPanda]

The wars also put a dent in their fortunes.

[@wildcolonialman]

Fabulous. Thank you.

[@jewisley]

I enjoyed this very much.

[@sharondegracia]

I would like you to do a video on K’tut Tantri who helped Indonesia gain its freedom

[@mathieuleader8601]

Anderson Cooper is a Vanderbilt apparently

[@russbear31]

His mother was Gloria Vanderbilt.

[@alisturkericmacnanty159]

Not only interesting, but what a great Lady!

[@almaknack9543]

Enjoyed that, thank you - do those buildings still exist today in Manhattan?

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks! The first house I mentioned not anymore! Many of the Manhattan manions were knocked down but the mansions in the countryside like Newport are still there!

[@vianeyboruel504]

O wow , super cute, amazing voice and accent...and super into history 😍

[@here_we_go_again2571]

Alva didn't do it ("ruin the family") by herself all of the third and fourth generation Vanderbilts spent money like water. And yes, Alva was not a very good mother. Not that keeping her daughter occupied and pushing her to learn languages, etc. was bad. Forcing her to marry a man who didn't love her and whom she did not love was a horrible thing to do! (Sadly, arranged marriages are not uncommon, even today in much of the world)

[@sandyschneider5175]

It’s pronounced Mobile, Mo-bile, bile rhymes with meal, emphasis on the second syllable. Great video!

[@cadillacdeville5828]

I love your channel

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks!!

[@patricialong5767]

Money cannot buy happiness, aye?

[@littlemissliv100]

Great video, but Mobile is pronounced mo-beal in this part of the country.

[@467-k1m]

What was NOT mentioned was the fact that the signing ladies of that declaration had to give up ONE THING. Black women were not able to vote until much later on.

[@alicianelson1252]

This woman was a true freedom fighter way ahead of her time

[@natalieb.1254]

Isn't there a penitentiary named after the Vanderbilts in Tennessee?

[@garrethgoodworth2494]

I prefer the Purple Polo, but Faded Ivy works as well. Love ye olde cases re: aristocracy. Always Brilliant.

[@karlakirkpatrick2214]

I had a book of Chinese saying's and I wished that I had never lost it it was in a red cover it had saying's from everyone most was from Confucius.