FormaL | The Fall of the Dynasty | The Eavesdrop Podcast Ep. 39

[@HECZ]

EVERYONE, Please leave a like rating on this episode, the youtube algorithm has been super wack lately and it needs to be on the discover page. help us out. - H

[@AxelShifter]

Let's get a Optic Formal Jersey giveaway!! If not I'll pay for one just name a price🤙🏽

[@stevedrake777]

Good video bro been waiting for that for literally 16 months lol I would absolutely ❤️ a dynasty come together a review old standout moments and hear it form the player perspective. From picking up formal (why formal? Who else was on the short list...- nade leaving and karma joining (again why who was on the shortlist) all the way to losing AW and bo3 and winning IW etc just think it would be amazing.

[@AxelShifter]

@@stevedrake777 still remember the day my fav Halo player joined my fav org and changed cod forever.

[@therjscott]

Formal is the absolute greatest all around esports player thus far. The dude has every aspect needed to achieve greatness in this industry. Love that he’s FINALLY streaming consistently again (something we all wish Scump would do) and hope he someday puts a large focus on KZbin content as well. Solid Podcast Hecz, keep them coming. P.S. If you tapped the thumbs down, you’re a 🤡

[@AxelShifter]

@@therjscott seriously his grind streaming has been awesome lately.

[@bulletsz3738]

Formal is such a genuine guy. I love how he doesn't really talk bad about seth, crim and karma but just that the team as a whole didn't work anymore.

[@lukeryan463]

And now he's playing with seth lel

[@mitchconner2021]

Nothing last forever, you could say the same about the Halo Final Boss dynasty back in the day

[@errwhaaaaaa]

Well it came out a year or so ago that formal and crim don't like each other at all

[@gconning1974]

OmG... I waited the longest time for this... Much love to Formal , once your a part of the Green wall , your always part of the greenwall

[@mannyaguero2190]

Only if you perform...

[@TacoFalcon]

Manny Aguero Mixwell is heavily loved and they managed to win Eleauge season 2 but that’s it.

[@matts9856]

Gareth Conning even clayster?

[@brandonakers1577]

Mr. Ex-Popularity I’d say so but that’s just me

[@iLazer]

Even octane and methodz?? Lol

[@arminkarajkovic4355]

“I’m gonna help you win your gonna help me win we’re gonna help each other win”- FormaL

[@Poki329]

FormaL gospodin uvijek bio i ostao

[@spastikps4916]

"you're"

[@daleysmith5221]

@@spastikps4916 fuck up

[@CapShotz]

ok weve gotten all the dynasty members individually but... can we get one big one of them?

[@KingKIDYT]

That'll be tough...

[@CapShotz]

KingKID YT dude I know but that would probably break the internet if it went down.

[@WenAtkins]

Jacob CapShotz This would be so hard to accomplish but hecz if you read these comments, please consider asking all four of them. It would be the most interesting podcast & would break the internet.

[@PHANT0M3O2]

No

[@kingmaysb6332]

Good idea

[@mclovingtjuk8974]

What a genuine conversation, for the fact he’s done only a couple of podcasts, old head on young shoulders

[@TuNgo]

Chris Mclovingtjuk Formal just seems like a chill genuine dude overall. Much respect ✊🏼

[@Flyhr]

45:40 jeez how this parallels the current BO4 OpTic run is crazy. They won the first event in Vegas dominantly and then by the next event teams caught up and they pretty much stayed at the same level from the start ever since.

[@Apxthetic98]

That's Optic's thing. I was thinking the same thing but it's nothing new. Optic is the most talented that's why they hit the ground running on every cod but eventually they get outworked. Every.. time.

[@jaredatienza8664]

It was easy to see that happen. The first event is mostly about talent and optic won because of nasty plays. You can’t win tourneys down the road and champs simply off of gunskill.

[@aj2563]

Checking in years later and the CoD team hasn’t changed

[@Flyhr]

@@aj2563 It did happen again in Vanguard (won the first Major then never won again...) but to be fair they were the most dominant team until that Illey injury. Unfortunate.

[@zjord108]

Who remembers when Formal went to London and told H3CZ about Fake taxi 😂😂

[@alvaro1788]

Where can I see this?

[@Reaper_SZN]

ProphecyDino ^

[@darthdra133]

ProphecyDino its a couple years old haha

[@kylejacoby160]

Omfg yes 😂😂😂

[@cgl5639]

I literally watched that video the other day

[@chaboi4808]

Crazy how before this podcast it seemed that it was Formal’s fault and he wasn’t easy to play with. After listening to his side I can see why he felt joked. Team never practiced but hey, “you don’t hangout with us enough.” Glad he was able to speak his truth.

[@rburkyy2428]

And it makes sense that they won with raw talent because they would go to events and lose to teams that are no where near as talented but actually practiced before events. Like E6 at IW Anaheim.

[@sportsfan_91]

It seems as tho it may be on Seth. Spent alot of time with his GF at the time, god awful internet & gets lazy when he wins tourneys.

[@jayfree2867]

Yeah n guess who was saying it scump idiots deluded thinking he's the king still n so skillful him and crims ignorant loyalty cost them the dynasty

[@Nohinio]

For me it was Scump all the time, he just knows hes really good and gets lazy as hell but is still entitled to think that he is the best..

[@iKayorei]

I can't agree with you until I hear from his other teammates specially Seth. We need to hear all sides.

[@vredxiii92]

Letsss go Mathiassss, you sexy man !!

[@jakesimpkins3983]

ケールKale it let’s go mathiassss u sexy beast

[@arcadiagreen150]

@@jakesimpkins3983 good correction

[@okay5653]

Jake Simpkins this is incorrect it’s lets go mathiassss you sexy man. I remember it like it was yesterday. Retreat hardpoint vs stunner gaming

[@isaacmonson4403]

Jake Simpkins Naw he said man not beast

[@Se7enHillz]

@@jakesimpkins3983 well it isnt XD

[@outis142]

16:30 for sure talking about temp lol

[@SoulCaliburDeathCrie]

Lmao thats all i could think about, hes been so good this year unfortunately too

[@suwhup542]

I mean if the shoe fits man which it does lmao

[@blaqadam8710]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TacoFalcon]

Xaxc 301 faaaacts lmao

[@reneucardenasm]

Personally, I thought it was Parasite

[@amantubs]

Formal knows how to control his ego, thts why he is the goat

[@facemelter2277]

Formals the console FPS goat, only person to win mlg events in CoD and Halo I believe

[@j43linn]

FACE MELTER 💯💯

[@freazy3338]

@@facemelter2277 Shotzzy is bouta be the 2nd. He won the Halo world championship and he just turned 18 and will be competing next year

[@aquativity2907]

@@facemelter2277 literally in the podcast they said that Enable also won both

[@facemelter2277]

Aquativity yeah I ain’t got to that part yet. Enable goat confirmed

[@mattb6873]

I still need more on him and scump and why it's so deep. This was great though

[@Jerzeh]

It's none of our business, pretty clearly very personal to them.

[@cintijones]

scumps girl got the piper

[@Lawn-Stewards]

Seth’s internet during that time really killed the team..

[@jayfree2867]

@@Lawn-Stewards His ignorance n ego killed the team along with crim blindly sticking with him

[@jayfree2867]

@@Jerzeh dikhead the greenwall pays these guys we have every rite to know

[@carrotbailey]

FORMAL THE REALEST EVEN THO HIS HEART ONLY BEATS LIKE 20 TIMES PER MINUTE

[@WidgetWagyu47292]

Now we just need a 6050 with Maniac Formal Boze and Hecz that would go nutty

[@Liamd]

Formal didn’t live in the 6050 house

[@johnnymiller9510]

Liam yeah he did. Just not as long as the others

[@vodka4680]

Liam formal did live in there , not for super long though. him and nick were in the same room i remeber that lol

[@amarpower]

“I lost the big one shocker” tough scenes

[@AskieYT]

Is it really a HECZ video if he doesn't mention the fact that he hasn't played BO4 Multiplayer since the Beta?

[@Kikester]

BO4 isn’t a fun to play on the MP. All the fun is on blackout and league play tbh. It’s my least favorite cod to date and that’s never going to probably changed.

[@OGDannyD]

Or bring up battle royale being competitive lol

[@lComedianl]

EMB 59932 did you ever play IW? pubs were 10x worse & there was no blackout or league play to save you lmaoo. WWII was probably a close 2nd or 3rd but atleast ranked was really good. Comp wise I’d play all of em but I’m speaking otherwise.

[@stompingpeak2043]

@@lComedianl pubs in iw were not that bad. I thought the ttk and movement was 10x better than bo3. Bo3 just got popular because of bright colors. Go play both of them and the movement and gun play is just better in iw. Thats not saying bo3 is bad. Iw just got hate on launch and that hate continued eventhough 99% of the people hating never played the game in December. Once the update in December happend the game was 100% better than the launch experience.

[@Swagg]

about to keep some popcorn for this

[@Karibma]

I have more like than you in this reply and you have almost 2 million subscribers

[@aidenmazur6697]

Rygoa lmao you sure about that😂😂😂 clown

[@adamssddd2553]

Man formal such a good guy you gotta love him

[@awsomepats3702]

The Podcast we have been waiting for since episode 23 with Damon. Bless up H3CZ

[@coryfowler7059]

Karma is the most overrated cod player ever

[@Bmanzzz]

Cory Fowler your confused

[@zerocory6430]

@@coryfowler7059 he was a beast in bo3. He's known for clutching out. Hasn't been the same player since boots though.

[@vodka4680]

Cory Fowler nah man, he was amazing at bo2, ghosts, and bo3

[@FoxyGrandpa1]

If there’s ever a chance to do it, get all four of them together and call it “The Dynasty Podcast”. Do it similar to the 6050 Podcast. That would be dope to see.

[@cgl5639]

Not a chance

[@jashuajean-louis1634]

The eavesdrop everyone has been waiting for!

[@kpap3132]

Yo that HBR story had me ROLLINGGG lmao.

[@Garfungo]

Formal has been my favorite guest. He doesnt sugar coat anything and is one of my favorite players to EVER represent Optic. Will never forget those times.

[@badgermike1231]

Credits Dakotaz's for killing his desire to play Fortnight. Epic.

[@Wahdawi]

What did he do?

[@badgermike1231]

@@Wahdawi FormaL ran into Dakotaz in a random match and Dakotaz destroyed him while casually talking to his twitch followers. FormaL had his try hard pants on. Pretty funny story, I'm not sure of the time stamp though.

[@InBedardWeTrust]

24:33

[@InBedardWeTrust]

@siilky johnson Glad to help I love time stamp comments lol

[@kimberhutchison8192]

Thank you Formal for all the great memory you were apart of with the Greenwall. From a member of the greenwall I thank you.

[@cryptoupdates1904]

No wonder nameless is so salty towards optic lmaooo

[@mrdolphin355]

Man, I'm crying. I miss the old days and thanks for shedding light on the breakup of the dynasty Formal.

[@Gareun]

Imagine crying over this video..

[@mrdolphin355]

Haha enjoy your day/night mate. You seem a bit tense. 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Kbcyclone26]

Really wish he woulda touched apon his relationship with seth. Always wanted to know. But great podcast love everyone that you put out

[@henrylopez00hl]

obviously isnt good

[@lukeryan463]

@@henrylopez00hl they seem friendly now tho haha

[@liearthil2906]

Been waiting on this for a MINUTE. Let’s go HECZ

[@QK_Engineer]

FormaL: in 2009 I was 12. I am now 24 (in 2019) H3cz: yea 12 years

[@GregD87]

Qintz Orange County math

[@alfredoramirez8722]

thought the same thing lol

[@chippyburnett585]

I can finally say that this is the first eavesdrop podcast that I’ve listened to from start to finish with no breaks. Awesome to watch!

[@sergeprofile6420]

“3-0 in Miami that was embarassing” 😂😂😂

[@jgaribay6991]

1 hour and 16 min of pure gold. It’s always amazing to see the different perspectives from the teammates (former or current) on the complexities and struggles of a team. Formal is still a GOAT. And thank you H3CZ for making this podcast happen. If at all possible, it would be nice to see the Dynasty team podcast.

[@mehaileyb]

I wish the ads were more smoothly integrated , but it’s still my favorite podcast :)

[@hahnk1566]

Formal is a real one. He just super genuine and doesn’t BS anything.

[@davidgonzalezsrt4]

The Fallout and WW2 talk begins 54:00.

[@treywintzinger130]

David Gonzalez Real fans watch the whole thing

[@ben7867]

For being a very private and to himself person, Matt is a very good story teller and was super interesting to listen to!

[@truejordan180]

My favorite optic member ❤️ , miss watching bo3 scrims

[@acpulse]

Yeah, I remember those scrims. I remember Scump, "the captain", spouting BS excuses way back then. Haha.

[@boluke2340]

Cmon boyz lets get this man to 1 MILLION SUBS. He deserves it.

[@suwhup542]

Clicked off the teepee podcast to come watch this man lately I been binge watching all these podcasts

[@willisisawesome]

Great stuff! Love how we finally got this podcast. Well worth the wait. Formal is amazing... Can't believe hes so young I though he was playing Halo way before 2009.

[@invictadiverse3098]

lets go!!! ready for it to be on spotify so i can listen to it at work

[@JCRBEAST24]

Formal will forever be a big part of the green wall. One of the GOATS

[@Obbss]

"Screen shaking" it was mongraal 😂😂😂

[@oTraTz]

Tbh most chill guy I ever have listened to GOAT

[@Werbarca]

Very nice Podcast, Loved to hear him talk about that whole situation. However I would liked to hear about his friendship with Seth, because they were THAT DUO. They was such good friends and ended up hating each other.

[@DK-ng6nd]

Is there any hard evidence that they hated each other? Hard to believe given that they're such good friends now.

[@TheGuitarifier]

The way Matthias answered Hector's question at 1:05:30 is very telling of his character. Dude his super mature and level headed, I would love to have him on my team.

[@AbrianFPS]

CWL Seattle was the last event formal was on the team. I was at that event. Believe it was May or June of 2018

[@Hodgey10]

Dude I fucking love this guy. Formal been my favourite pro for so long now.. humble as they get.. kudos to Hecz for making this happen! Loved every minute. See you on the streams Matthias

[@connor_4616]

Can’t tell you how long I’ve been waiting for this, hoping you don’t beat around the bush! Appreciate you for getting him on Hecz, GREEN FAWKING WALL BABY!

[@-_-Code-_-]

I haven't thought about it in a longgg time but I love that they got into the nadeshot situation a bit, its really cool to hear one of the talent goats of cod talk about it. When nade became this meme and the cod scene was turning into a cesspool it was really frustrating, people blindly spew hate at him because they couldn't see the bigger picture. This was all starting around the time when clayster got the boot and i wasn't super into optic anymore, but i always rooted for them, except against denial that year lol. COD felt flat for a long time after that. Now looking back Nades story is truly intriguing, from struggle to success.. everything with losing his mom to committing to cod/youtube full time at a point where there was no proven formula for how to be a pro player AND a serious content creator, all the ups and downs with the roster dramas to him leaving and eventually stomping his way back with 100T and being pushed BACK OUT of the scene this time not by the community but by franchising. To where he is now just shredding life, i know people have their issues with him but in almost everything hes done hes paving new ground and mistakes are essential in learning how to make it work.

[@menacinggod4601]

16:45 he 1000% wants to say Donny here LMFAO

[@UndergroundKillerKlown]

Menacing God ikr I was thinking the exact same thing

[@mateoa7675]

TEMP THE GOAT

[@uhCaFah]

@@mateoa7675 Temp's ASS.

[@xpartyo_3077]

I didn't really understand the whole beef between this roster. So thank you for clearing it up! Its def a good thing you guys made the mature choice to split!

[@bxstxaal3432]

Im disgusting at both (blackout & multiplayer) FormaL 2019 ❤️

[@56LEVELZLIVE]

By far the best prodcast. 👍👍👍👍👍.Thanks for the video H3CZ.

[@EnvyNF]

I know they will never play together again but i still hope they will play together again

[@xpartyo_3077]

Watch his twitch streams. They play together all the time.

[@lmaopineapple125hi4]

The Seth /formal 10s was good !! You could feel the tension

[@EnvyNF]

xPartyO _ i mein on the same team in LAN tournaments

[@rorymclaughlin1609]

Lol, they playing together again..

[@GabrielSantos_28]

first time watching a full pod. love it. would love to see Maniac as a solo guest.

[@ghozt2224]

Finally the episode we been waiting for let’s gooooo

[@wauspy494]

The chills are already starting to come in.

[@giancarlo2008]

After watching this podcast, I honestly believe formal wants to come back.

[@FactioNNNN]

Hes mentioned he wants to team with Karma and Crim again. Doubt he would come back if Seth was still on the team though lol

[@fearz8245]

@@FactioNNNN why Do they have beef

[@KingKIDYT]

@@fearz8245 In game and maybe out of game issues

[@rocketbsc]

Fearless I think it’s because reportedly Seth would be the main guy giving excuses for losses and not doing much to try and get better. This is all just assumptions but that’s what I would say. You have crim and karma who both are diehard winners in different eras, and Seth is just the guy who’s so good he never tried to do anything different and just did his thing

[@TheOrac]

he never wanted to leave its just his teammates quit caring and stopped grinding but we all knew that already

[@ZBatt1]

Thank you for this, kept it real, genuine conversation.

[@ParadoxEP]

Scump and Formal 1 on 1 interview. would love to see them both do a Kobe/Shaq like interview

[@joshjoy5549]

Well worth the wait. Thank you Hecz

[@arcadiagreen150]

Crim has the hot and cold mentality. Scump hated WW2 and probably didn't upgrade his Internet as an excuse to not play it. Always felt like Damon and Formal were stuck in the middle because of their more timid demeanor

[@johnwayne7985]

Sean Cunningham except Scump did upgrade his internet his mom already said he had an $800 cable bill a month if that’s not trying to at least do something then I don’t know what is

[@arcadiagreen150]

@@johnwayne7985 so you mean to tell me that seth (a millionaire) had worse Internet than karma. Formal said he was 1 bar almost all season. Plus he couldn't have upgraded the Internet himself if he wasn't the name on the account or the spouse of the homeowner. Just sayin

[@KristenAbner]

Sean Cunningham yes, that’s what @johnwayne is saying. Seth was paying $600/month for a business line internet after not having success on his $200/month residential line internet. Where you live, does a person’s bank account dictate good or bad internet service?

[@arcadiagreen150]

@@KristenAbner no but it does dictate the speed

[@arcadiagreen150]

@@KristenAbner also keep in mind that it was only my speculation of the matter. And that Formal was indeed the person who stated a known fact that teams practices weren't a thing because of a few reasons including 1 bar Internet connection. By the time it was resolved it's possible that the damage had been done and that they team chemistry wouldn't recover. Some of us are only hard on the matter because we give a damn. The fall of the dynasty was hard to swallow and Formal didn't deserve to be a casualty to either crims hot cold mentality or any other number of excuses. However it is likely that some form of management should have fixed the issues soon or imposed fines to right the ship. People always listen when they are hit in the pocket. Just like TJ and Bruce showing up at their leisure. Most of us would love to be in their positions. And as hector has found out through his podcast, alot of guys regret their bottle service decisions. But try to remember what gave you the opportunity to afford it.

[@Bullet0448]

I just love formals vibe so much so peaceful

[@Ryomen35]

Formal is the most realest dude.💚⚪️

[@joshg4078]

Best one so far!!!! Been way overdue. We love you FormaL you are the goat

[@kingmisogyny1852]

15:22 Clearly sending shots at Temp.

[@calilifestyle4334]

King M and 100 thieves roster

[@CamMackay96]

@@calilifestyle4334 100T won back to back this year and everyone on that team had already won before the start of the year except maybe Fero? Tf you mean?

[@j43linn]

CaLi Lifestyle huh ?

[@jimmyjam1710]

Great job hecz you let this man talk. Finally

[@michaeltineo6540]

That crazy you podcast make year on my birthday I love this podcast keep going and don't stop

[@canteenpapi3040]

I think have my new favorite COD player. He really does have the best POV on Twitch. Thank you formal for an amazing set of year, will definitely be rooting for green wall but for Formal as well.

[@DanDway]

I'm 16 minutes in and this is already the best eavesdrop lol. This guy is the GOAT idc what anyone says.

[@jayrod6644]

WOW this was the most amazing podcast for gaming ever! Not only is Formal SUPER intelligent and has the best memory ever, but you guys shed a light into the internals of the gaming world. WISH the DINESTY would have staid together, but when you have the best in the world on the same team shit happens. I already respected Formal, but after today he may be my favorite gamer ever! A TRUE GAMER! Not looking to Clout and Fame! I get Faze making their money but GAMING is GAMING and that's what Optic is about! Love Optic! PLEASE KEEP GAMING!!

[@ryanhellockmusic]

I can finally say I HAVE NEVER CLICKED SO FAST IN MY LIFE.

[@gilbertguerrero-alvarez8107]

FormaL was such an incredible person to have in a team. It’s really sad seeing that they couldn’t work out their differences and make the team work. The OpTic Dynasty would have definitely dominated in BO4 and maybe future games. But I’m happy FormaL did the best move for himself.

[@Ryan-ci8sy]

This vid's about to be GOATED out

[@woolymantis4246]

Crazy to come back to this knowing that things will shortly come full circle. Optic always delivers. 🚀

[@friezasoicy8406]

Been waiting so long for this 😍

[@kodymcgregor]

46:25 I was watching live like 3 rows back. The entire arena deflated in 1 second you could hear a pin drop. Crushing.

[@scottstreet9327]

Never clicked a video so fast in my life!!!!

[@RyGuy1127]

I just knew someone would comment this😂😂

[@hans0to]

Formal was my favorite player (alongside Scump) in the old dynasty roster. When he said he’d come to Los Angeles next season made me stoked af. I’m definitely gonna go support the events in LA.

[@cgl5639]

Nobody: Formal: Let's go baby

[@justbasic479]

I had no idea that FormaL was as big of a streamer as he is and it’s awesome to see

[@YokerBoy]

We need Fear Moho on the podcast! Love this one btw

[@skyzurdcod952]

Loved seeing Formal on here!

[@TacoFalcon]

I was refreshing it at 6am with my breakfast waiting to start it..I ended up finishing it before it was even uploaded 😂 :(

[@westcoast7514]

Finally Been wandering when this dude would get on the podcast! Much love to formal 🔥

[@reka_depa4731]

To be totally honest, I really hated the fact that Formal left optic and couldn't live with that. But with that podcast I understand every side of his move. It's kind of strange that on the one hand I want him back but on the other hand I get why he wouldn't live through the same stuff again

[@zyhru]

René Kabbert-De Paola you’re fucking weird

[@alejo5507]

René Kabbert-De Paola lol u taking this shit too serious

[@miikala]

one of the best podcasts out right now

[@LMAAAAYOOO]

I'm logging into my burner accounts to like this video

[@dakotatolley7072]

I’ve watched this podcast 6 times all the way through and I love it

[@About36Greekss]

That AW team with nade formal crim scump was actually nasty . They were destroying everyone , if matt didn’t listen to the haters and try to change up his game they win that champs and prob keep going . But then the dynasty prob doesn’t happen

[@dibb28yt78]

I agree. Karma is the only one I see replacing Nade's shoes.

[@Sirkopitar]

Formal is so dope, great overall interview. Not easy to be the best, no matter what you do.

[@Gr00vy_POV]

Haven't even listened and dropping a like. Been waiting for this one almost as much as the one with Hitch. Let's gooooooooo!

[@OpTiC_DaD]

Been a fan of Formal since Reach, still enjoy watching the dude play

[@Hardcastlinho]

Who does your timestamps? Theyre always ass dude. ALWAYS. Otherwise boss podcast, content has always been A+ on the Eavesdrop

[@tombuckley7084]

they're always wrong lmao, not even by a few seconds, about 30 seconds+

[@Bruno-Rodrigues84]

@@tombuckley7084 they fine up to a point, ussually when hecz does the adds and they forget to put that part in, so then they go wrong by 5 minutes

[@xNuber]

We’ve all waited so long for this!

[@RuggerJug]

How many times has Hecz said "Haven't played multiplayer since the beta" in the past like week or two in vlogs or streams, I've heard im say it so much lately lmao. Great podcast btw

[@CDog1003]

That bit from FormaL explaining the HBR situation hit different. That's some Matt on Matt content.