Formbot Voron V0.2(r1) Kit | REALLY REALLY Detailed Review

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@BallisticTech 4 ай бұрын

Some addendum & notes: Heated Bed Change: A viewer has informed me their newer kit included a pre-wired/installed thermal fuse. This simplifies the heated bed build and requires one less wago/connector if you want to wire it similarly to how I did. That's a nice QoL improvement from Formbot and something I called out in the review. Error: I sped up the footage of the heated bed heating and placed a timer on it in Post. As such the time shown is wrong. The actual heated bed time to 105 C is about 8min

@XeonXR6 4 ай бұрын

I just bought a Formbot kit a few days ago (shame I didn't see your video first). Thanks for helping me mentally prepare for all the minor challenges.

@3DPrintSOS 10 ай бұрын

We build space shuttles with gardening tools! - love it. Great in-depth review! :)

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

Thank ya sir!

@FuttFel 9 ай бұрын

About the Kirigami bed issues. You can find remixed parts online that have the extra clearance needed. Tommy Vercetti on Printables has several versions depending on the thickness of the bed frame. I printed these out after having the same issues as you and these fit perfectly.

@BallisticTech 9 ай бұрын

Yes I've added them to my GitHub documentation

@dazuio7175 10 ай бұрын

We build space shuttles with gardening tools 😂

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Do you have a Formbot kit are you considering picking one up?

@dazuio7175 10 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTech Hi! I bought a V0 formbot kit as well. I also watched your recorded streams too, they were really helpful. I experienced the same "struggles" regarding documentation. I'm now waiting for the Trident kit (also from formbot). Let's see how it goes

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

@@dazuio7175 Oh awesome. I'm glad the streams helped out. I will be building the LDO V0 S1 kit next. But I REALLY want to build a Trident soon as well. Will you do a build log? If so definitely let me know! Happy Building!

@dazuio7175 10 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTech I'm not really planing on doing a video vlog. I don't have the right equipment for that. It's awesome that you posted this guide, I'll bet it will help many people.

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

@@dazuio7175 a lot of ppl do written build logs with pics. Either on forums.vorondesign.com, teamfdm.com or on places like ModtBots discord server. Obviously no pressure but maybe something to consider. Good way to get help and help others as well

@stalkercvc9908 9 ай бұрын

That's a well done kit ! Can I ask what's the maximum acceleration u got on this build ?

@Andre_M_3D 10 ай бұрын

Hey. I just landed on your channel. It is a well-done video. And I agree. The BTT pi or cb1 are easier to set up than a rasberry pi. I am considering building a V0.2 at one point. I think it is a good option for a first build. That or something like a Rook. I just wish the information was not so spread out for these voron kits. It seems like every company has their own twist on it, and they want you to follow the main voron build guide but then switch over to another few docs and then go back and forth. So I can see it being confusing for some. I remember seeing Fedor bring that up and a few other creators like Nero, etc. Just subbed, so hopefully, we will see more videos soon. Cheers

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! V0.2 is a good option for a first build. Some finnicky bits as you saw in Fedors videos. The Voron Discord has help channels for the different printers and it's pretty helpful. 100% agree the documentation can be frustrating. The Voron manual is pretty good but assumes a stock build. Then every kit manufacturer is trying to differentiate and keep up with the most common mods. Many of the mods having limited or not docs. And then the manufacturer likely has some weird specific stuff. Not sure what the community can do to help with this tbh. Happy building and printing once you pick a kit. Either way you go it should be fun and a good learning experience.

@Butcho-qo8po Ай бұрын

Curious as to what your retraction settings are for the formbot V6 hotend? I'm getting some fierce stringing with it.

@rickyyym 4 ай бұрын

Was going to buy the siboor kit but might get this one since it’s $100 cheaper

@MrMBonin 6 ай бұрын

Did you get a nevermore Filter? Thanks for the detailed review!

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes I put in a Nevermore V6 and a few other mods not shown in the review. Maybe I should do an update/overview video...?

@levin55555 4 ай бұрын

I started building my Formbot kit today. Your Githup repo will definitely be very helpful. thanks for the videos about it

@nils7116 9 ай бұрын

Cool review. Build my V0 formbot kit a month a go and your streams helped a lot. Running flaw less even after roughly 100 hours of use.

@joehimes9898 6 ай бұрын

We build space shuttles with gardening tools

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting!

@ChromakeyDreamcoat 4 ай бұрын

Your documentation on this kit was invaluable! Thank you.

@toddzino58 6 ай бұрын

Believe it or not, for the V0, the Bambu X1C hotend is fantastic. Works really well in the V0. Modbot uses one also in his V0.2 kit. Great flow rate and super cheap.

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

I've seen some folks noting that they've had success with that hotend. Seems like a good inexpensive option for DIY printers

@FuttFel 9 ай бұрын

I bought this kit during their black Friday sale and the kit went together really well. The Kirigami bed was a bit thicker for me as well, so I had to re-print two parts with slightly looser tolerances and then it went together nicely. The documentation was spotty in some parts, but with the help of the Voron Discord, everything is up and running. Oh and I used your printer.cfg file to speed up the process, thanks! Since finishing the build I've done pressure advance and today I did input shaping, now the printer has finally become what I wanted. It prints fast while retaining quality and it stays within the limitations of the stock cooling.

@BallisticTech 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting! Saw some of your comments in the V0 questions discord channel. Glad to hear your build went together pretty well and the config helped. If I can help with anything else lmk. Cheers and happy printing!

@blu3_enjoy 10 ай бұрын

I love the idea of a smaller printer for fast prototype. I have this kit now... Scared to start building,it will be a real time warp. Lol

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

It's takes a lot of time and going slow is really beneficial. But it's really really worth it once you get printing. Then it's a massive platform for mods and improvements!

@livingroomworkbench 10 ай бұрын

I'm low-key thinking of getting a second one........ :D Really nice review!

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

Haha they're so awesome and fun to build. Perhaps you'll find a good Black Friday Deal? Thanks for watching and for all the help! Your streams were super helpful

@rp101aquatics6 6 ай бұрын

I have no experience building my own printer and yet I ordered this kit. Would you say I need to buy wire strippers and crimpers? Id like to save money if I don't need it. I know you mentioned most of the cables are pre-crimped and terminated?

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

Without any modding or having anything go wrong I think it's possible to built the entire printer without having to crimp anything but I'm not sure about stripping wires If you follow how I did the heated bed for instance it requires cutting/stripping and using wagos to allow pulling the bed out. But you could technically build the bed without doing this. At the very least you can probably get quite far into building the printer before needing to do so. And evaluate if you think it would be worth it. Borrowing strippers/crimpers from a friend or going to a maker space to use some are always an option. They're highly recommended by the voron team as maintenance, upgrades/mods and subsequent builds will likely require them. Fans for instance aren't exactly a consumable with these printers but often go out on them. Buying a replacement likely won't be a 1:1 swap in.

@rp101aquatics6 6 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTech Got it that makes sense, I may have a stripping tool laying around somewhere but I was looking at the recommended crimping tools and saw that they were around 40 dollars which seemed a little steep to me haha. Are the wagos the intended method of wiring the bed? it seems odd that they wouldn't be included in the kit if that was the case. None the less which type of wago do I need to purchase?

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

@@rp101aquatics6 That's a bit of a weird thing with Voron Kits and DIY Printer Kits in general. There's the Voron "Spec". What their BoM says and what's in the manual. Then there's what the kit includes. Kirigami is a super popular mod so many kits have started including them to different degrees. Formbot only includes the frame. Other kits include the wagos, LEDs, etc... Then there's what an individual builder decides to build. That's based on experience, available tools/materials and really just preference a lot of time. 10 Builders with the same kit you're probably gonna see 5-10 small variations in the bed wiring. That's compounded a bit because Formbot has no "Spec" or instructions for this kit. Voron Spec is the multiple extrusion bed. No connectors for the wiring. They just pass everything straight thru to the . Technically Formbot's "Spec" based on what they give you is Kirigami Frame + pass thru wiring.

@rp101aquatics6 6 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTech Is there a good/safe way to wire the bed with out wagos? I'm leaning towards getting them anyways at this point but I'd have to watch a few build guides and see how the kit is put together for the most part

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

@@rp101aquatics6 Newer kits have the thermistor integrated so that removes the need for one connection. Besides that you can choose to just leave the bed tethered. Or use any connections rated for the Wattage. I believe it's 24V and 60W so a 3-4 Amps of current. Inline JSTs, microfit, car style inline spade connectors. I initially used an extra spade connector but then changed to using an extra wago. I show the whole build process in my streams. I have a lot of resources on my Github repo for the printer including links to wago connectors

@Aaronification100 8 ай бұрын

This is a really comprehensive review! Very enjoyable to watch! Top notch quality that is usually just provided by larger channels. Keep it up!

@BallisticTech 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting. I definitely put a lot of time into this so it's great to hear ppl enjoy it or find it helpful. If you have any questions lmk! Cheers

@nesy. 5 ай бұрын

Nice Review!

@BallisticTech 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting!

@Munichation 8 ай бұрын

Nice review. This was exactly what I was looking for, thank you so much.

@BallisticTech 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting. Definitely check out the GitHub if you decide to pick up the kit. I've tried to address a lot of the issues I had and general lack of docs for the kit in there!

@RixTrix 6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for taking the time to create documentation for the build process. This stuff is going to be invaluabe as this kit will be my first ever printer build. Got into the hobby back in November when I got my Sovol SV06. Really looking forward to receiving my kit in the next week or so, and your vids/repo are an invaluable resource! Thanks for helping a newbie like me, your detail oriented breakdowns are sooooo appreciated!!!

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

You're def welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting. I actually just added some new info to the GitHub. If you have any specific questions that aren't anywhere in this video, the streams or GitHub lmk!

@RixTrix 6 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTechThanks for that! That's really encouraging. If I end up stumped somewhere and get lost, I'll reach out - but I think just following your process and manual referencing throughout the build should bail me out most of the way, if not all of it!

@RixTrix 6 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTechI finished the build a few days ago, and after running Ellis's test_speed macro, I panicked about the Z stepper results (which i think was likely due to my klipper config setup) and tore down the entire build thinking my bed was constrained or some other mechanical issue was at play. Printer is back up and running, and I'm going to get printing a nevermore and will install a Klipper expander. Your vids were super helpful and gave me a lot of confidence along the way. Some things I had worth noting (maybe?): 1. Heated bed came with integrated fuse. So that made the wiring easy for the bed considering I wasn't using Neopixels but did use Wago's. 2. Fuse also gave me trouble with Z height. For now I've just accepted the lost Z height with some minor filing. Absolutely love this machine! I'm not sure if I would go with another Formbot kit again, but money is the most important factor for me right now. So perhaps my hopeful future Trident build will end up being a Formbot kit - the downsides are pretty much worth it considering the price.

@belenhedderich3330 10 ай бұрын

Jason thank you very much for your series. I totally agree that the fans are crap and the Kirigami bed is out of specs. Even with that I was able to follow yout path with upgrades and ended up having a very functional printer. I just replaced the hotend/extruder with a sherpa mini and dragonburner much better than stock one IMHO

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and Commenting! There's SOOOO many great mods for the V0. I wanted to build it pretty close to stock for the review. Now I'm trying to figure out what to do next.

@dazuio7175 10 ай бұрын

True, I also replaced the fans, I ordered them before the kit arrived. Didn't even bother to try them out. I'm also using the sherpa mini together with the dragon burner mod.

@jimmy2drinks 9 ай бұрын

Cheers Brian, 1st project of the new year is booked in :)

@BallisticTech 9 ай бұрын

That's awesome. Happy building! It's a great little printer and really fulfilling project. I hope the review, streams and github help with the build process.

@michaelhaas9053 6 ай бұрын

Amazing video. Tons of great information and great presentation!

@BallisticTech 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting Michael. Formbot has made a few changes to this kit since the review The heated bed now includes an integrated thermal fuse which makes the wiring a little more simple

@michaelhaas9053 6 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTechGood to know - I just ordered my kit! Time to start printing :)

@randomname6724 5 ай бұрын

Does the kirigami bed have 3d printed parts or not?

@BallisticTech 5 ай бұрын

The Kirigami bed frame is a solid piece of sheet metal that is bent into the form shown in the video. There are 3d printed pieces to attach certain parts and accessories to it

@ldomotorsjason3488 10 ай бұрын

Nice video, Formbot is good guy, and good to go.

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching Jason! LDO V0.2 S1 kit is next. I can't wait to see the differences and special touches that LDO adds! The Picobilical seems great to get some extra ports on the SKR Pico. And the Revo Voron will be great too!

@happy_mfg.7348 10 ай бұрын

yo! i just scored one of these on 11.11, pretty impressed for the price! gonna make a switchthread out of it! great vid!

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

I hadn't even heard of the switchthread yet lol. Thanks for giving me another awesome think I want to build lol But seriously thanks for watching

@psmithrpm 10 ай бұрын

Nice and detailed job. Thank you doing such a great job!

@BallisticTech 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting. I put a lot of time into the video and github so it's great to hear ppl find it helpful.

@BobCollins42 8 ай бұрын

Where did you buy your Formbot V0.2 kit? I see that Fabreeko sells the much more expensive LDO kit.

@BallisticTech 8 ай бұрын

As noted around @4:30 this kit was provided by Formbot for the purpose of reviewing. The LDO kit is available from Fabreeko, MatterHackers, West3D and others. It's generally considered one of the best kit on the market. It has quite a few value adds not available with lower end kit. Voron Revo with 2 nozzles, Picobilical, 100W Heated Bed, 200W PSU, metal nut bars, Kirigami wiring kit (led, wagos, thermistor pcb), what's considered by many as the highest quality motors and extrusion. So it's a matter of balancing the value adds vs what someone wants from a kit and their final build. To some spending money on a Voron Revo and Picobilical doesn't make sense if they're going to end up using a self-sourced hotend and go with CAN.

@BobCollins42 8 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTech I don't find Formbot on the Fabreeko website. I had gotten the impression that LDO had the most admired Voron kits. At over $600 for the V0, they sure are priced as being special. I am very glad to have found your videos and positive experience with Formbot kit as well as their much better price. Thanks again for your very helpful videos!

@BallisticTech 8 ай бұрын

@@BobCollins42 Fabreeko doesn't sell Formbot. Just LDO and some of their own components. I bought replacement fans and grease from Frabreeko Formbot is only available via their own site and AliExpress. There are links in the description of the video. I will be building an LDO V0 kit on stream soon if you want to see the differences.

@BobCollins42 8 ай бұрын

@@BallisticTechI am watching your video again, and I understand now and how I got confused. A related question: Do you know how the LDO kit is so different as to command an almost $300 higher price? I look forward to your LDO build videos. Thanks!

@BallisticTech 8 ай бұрын

@@BobCollins42 it includes a Revo Voron Edition with 2 nozzles. ~$150+ value compared to $20-65 options in the Formbot kit. 200w PSU compared to 150w. That's to power the custom 100w bed heater in the LDO kit. Formbot kit is only 65w (which is min spec) Picobilical in the LDO kit is like an enhanced V0 Umbilical. It has an extra MCU connected via USB and frees up some I/O on the mainboard LDO extrusions and motors are considered the best by many. The rails may or may not be nicer. I know they include 1 genuine Hywin rail for the X axis. Pretty sure they include genuine Bondtech BMG internals and better fans than the Formbot kit does stock. Their Kirigami Bed is more to spec than the Formbot one. And they include things like the Kirigami neopixel LED, wagos, and a thermistor PCB. Probably some other things. I'll soon find out I guess. But the thing ppl mention the most is their customer service and connections to the community and Voron team. Their documentation is also considered the best and frequently updated. That does take some budget to do. So some specific better/different value adds. Some sentimental factors and brand appreciation. Jason the head of LDO is genuinely very nice. Whether the value is worth it for an individual is kinda up to them. You may not want to spend the extra if you don't need the Picobilical, Revo, Bondtech internals, etc...