Former pilot: In-flight explosion likely caused Philly crash

Aviation attorney and former pilot Arthur Rosenberg joins 'Fox News Live' to analyze the Philadelphia medical plane crash and what may have gone wrong. #FoxNews
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[@GailWard-b3w]

Being an Air Traffic Controller is one of the most nerve racking jobs anyone can ever have

[@cherieree]

It is, and my friend is one and literally a couple weeks before all this, she seemed more stressed with all the DEI BS. Which I found very interesting that Trump immediately called them out, makes me wonder what’s really going on in those towers.

[@WyattRyeSway]

It is certainly a job I could never do.

[@promethiac2641]

"A thing happens.. we overreact.. and it is always a win for us somehow"

[@PuddleHopper211]

​@@cherieree Probably orgies.

[@recoilrob324]

I went to A&P school with a recently fired ATC man (Regan fired them all when they went on strike) and he said getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to him. He'd been having multiple health issues that all went away after losing his job. That kind of stress is not good for you...and being understaffed makes a difficult job even worse.

[@mariekritzinger1643]

My daughter had a back sugery 15 years ago in a well equipped private hospital. An oxygen cylinder exploded near her and it was just a miracle from God that she was not killed or seriously injured.

[@nealdaleyjr7625]

I call bs...

[@HailMary888]

Remember, that's how they killed the shark in JAWS.

[@Hellooooooo989]

Yup. Too dangerous for the general public and are not medically necessary most of the time. Shouldn’t be allowed on med transport period. Or anywhere except ICU.

[@johnkomosa9508]

Was that b4 or after she lit the cigarette. CBET.

[@ilovecanines]

@@Hellooooooo989 Oxygen tanks??? You can't be serious. Lots of people are on home oxygen therapy.

[@dillonshrop4563]

Please do NOT refer to this guy on future occasions. He has NO idea what he is talking about.

[@captainwho1]

No forward movement? That violates the law of physics....conservation of momentum and inertia. He means no forward acceleration I think? He also said eleven hundred thousand feet per minute descent. That's 1.1million feet per minute...WOW!

[@MR-xc3sw]

Agreed

[@andrewdanas]

I’m glad someone said it. His credentials might need to be verified.

[@JohnTole-g7m]

and you do?

[@deanpd3402]

​@@JohnTole-g7mwell you sure don't. You picked up on nothing.

[@rossi5839]

The engines were reported to be screaming at full throttle at impact. People heard the engines before the explosion and on the video you can hear the acceleration

[@RazortechAirguns]

Exactly. This 'expert' is not and the plane never 'stopped'. My guess, the pilot hit the cloud, lost spatial and corked the plane over into the ground.

[@garycastronova7939]

One engine looked to be on fire. There was definitely fire, whether from the engine or medical equipment exploded.

[@RazortechAirguns]

@@garycastronova7939 I'm not sure if I see fire, trick of the light maybe. But the plane may have begun to separate where the rear engines caught fire. You could still hear those engines running.

[@mikechar17]

@@garycastronova7939 landing gear lights

[@ilovecanines]

@@RazortechAirguns I'm not a pilot, but my parents both were, and I don't understand how loss of spacial orientation can occur with what should have been instrument-rated pilots.

[@frankthompson9216]

A video posted last night, you couldn't see the crash, but you could hear at least one engine under power before the explosion

[@RAYTHEONGAMING]

It full power at that. Source: Former Learjet mechanic

[@newstatusvideo8236]

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[@UniqueMonique999]

You must mean opinions

[@joecritch143]

It looked more like the landing lights breaking out of the cloud deck than an explosion.

[@garybeck-t3v]

That's exactly what the light was. There was NO explosion. This guy is an idiot.

[@robertslugg8361]

Landing lights are on the deployed gear which should have been stowed at that point (both altitude and speed).

[@richardlauder9711]

Yes I agree! And the reflection through the cloud makes it look like an explosion, but it wasn’t an explosion

[@lasubannarajput6747]

Trump and Bezos discussed Qardun Token at the inaguration party

[@jamesjamesnet]

Prayers for the families 🙏🏿,,

[@nickyb7266]

How can they say there was nothing wrong with the plane? It’s way too early to speculate that!

[@LizDarrow-Bellingham]

zip it nicky

[@nickyb7266]

@ zip it? Who the F%@k are you? Do you find something offensive about my opinion?? Take a hike!

[@nickyb7266]

@ looser!

[@mahbriggs]

​@@LizDarrow-Bellingham Having a bad day Lizzy?

[@FlipDahlenburg]

@@mahbriggs It's her time of the month, I'm afraid.

[@panchitox8875]

Oxygen is "not explosive", as it's "not flammable". It ALLOWS other materials to "oxidize" or "burn".

[@Mcgregor854]

O2 tank is under pressure and will explode. Because of this, it is required to be inspected, usually annually. Get the inspection documentation from the Mexican officials which will show, hopefully, the inspection cycle for the tank.

[@Rachel-k6s7d]

​@Mcgregor854And proper storage.

[@JamesCook-u9h]

Correct but they hold plenty of pressure to damage the jet extensively

[@JamesMasel]

That's exactly what I was thinking, Oxygen by itself does not burn it is though a very good catalyst so if there was something flammable it made it burn very quickly

[@jamesgoodman9259]

Watching a door cam view of the aircraft you could see it burst into flames and drop like a rock. Something caused the aircraft to burst into flames and to head straight for the ground.

[@donrobinson8340]

On that vid, I see the halo of the landing lights illuminating the cloud base and then the aircraft came into view, intact, in a power-on decent left wing low attitude into the ground. I don't really see an in-flight fire of any kind in that vid clip.

[@petergab734]

This guy is an ambulance chaser!!! He is the reason we all pay extra for insurance. Totally clueless. Fox, interview a real pilot like Juan Browne in the Blancolirio

[@bobroberts2371]

Juan Browne went over nixing the explosion / fire before crash theory. The light was from the aircraft nav / landing lights.

[@michellebecker1140]

Yes 🙌

[@viperq]

He's too good for Fox.

[@Desivlogs-y7c]

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[@chubbie933]

More TDS.

[@Jeff-sp7bg]

TDS is real folks

[@AlbertHess-xy7ky]

@@chubbie933 More. Trump can Do no wrong Syndrome. Trump is a waffling fool, has no idea of what to do. A weak puke.

[@GaryMCurran]

It is doubtful that the engines stopped on the LearJet. ADS-B radar data, which uses inputs from the plane's avionics systems indicated that the aircraft was over 200 knots most of the time. Furthermore, with an overcast ceiling of between 400 and 600 feet no one could have seen the airplane 'stop in mid air.' It climbed to about 1,600' or so, and then at some point, nosed over. It was travelling at over 11,000' per minute on it's final radar data. If the ceiling was overcast to 600', it would have been only seen for three or four seconds max. This is proven in the door cam video were we seen the aircraft appear out of the clouds and impact the ground within a few seconds. Also, audio for that video appears to indicate that the engines were both developing full power. So, anyone would be hard pressed to convince me that the engines had failed on the aircraft. One of the most plausible things I have heard so far is 'spatial disorientation' where the pilot, once entering the clouds loses his reference to the ground. Having experienced this personally, I know how important it is to get on the instruments. But, I even have issues with this. Both pilots would need to have this happen to them at the same time, and that is unlikely. What I would believe more would be a catastrophic avionics failure. I don't know if '-UCI' had analog gauges or EFIS gauges, but a failure of a specific electrical buss or multiple busses might have caused the Attitude Indicators to trip offline, and in the clouds, that's the absolute worst place for it to happen. Was there an explosion on the aircraft? We don't know. Tower cleared them to take off on runway 24 and then turn right to a heading of 290, or a 50º turn. Radar data indicated they began the turn as they were climbing, but didn't get very far into the turn and then the aircraft started back to the left and started descending. We don't know the details, we may never know the details.

[@curtischilders3024]

It's obvious that the plane was on fire prior to impact. What was the source of the fire? Engine exceeded fan surge margin from ingesting rain is the most likely explanation.

[@johnsmith-po1uo]

@@GaryMCurran , hummm. You may have something there. I was on short final one day in a LR 35 that had a lightning strike previously. All at once almost all the red and yellow panel lights lit up. My co-captain picked up the checklist, but didn’t know even where to start. He looked at me and said “just land, we’ll figure it out on the ground.” We did. Years later I ran across another crew flying it, and they asked me if we ever had electrical problems. So maybe, black cockpit could certainly been an issue.

[@Colorado_Ronin]

@@curtischilders3024obvious? I haven’t seen anything that indicates it was on fire

[@lootiecruss]

Sounds very plausible, thank you.

[@E1VM]

Lol, so you're saying the pilots didn't realize the nose was vertically pointing at the ground?

[@larryclarke2119]

This accident has all the earmarks of spatial disorientation.

[@jamesgoodman9259]

No, the video I saw showed the aircraft burst into flames at altitude.

[@larryclarke2119]

@@jamesgoodman9259 James, I believe you were seeing the aircraft’s landing lights.

[@tuck6464]

They weren't in the air long enough to become disoriented .

[@tuck6464]

@@jamesgoodman9259 Post a link to that video. What you saw, is, a bunch of recordings from cheap/ mediocre cell phone, dash cam, door bell camera's, incapable of capturing accurate/quality, high speed (280-300 mph) image's .

[@calebisrael7165]

​@tuck6464 I agree, plus there was a radio transmission from the aircraft after takeoff that was normal. No sign of an upset. I think an o2 cylinder was damaged, and destroyed the aircraft from within.

[@CITIZENSDOGE]

If there was an oxygen leak which led to an explosion that would make perfect sense because I worked on Air ambulances. Nurses would complain all the time that the oxygen bottles were leaking and they were right most of the time.

[@ohwell2790]

Oxygen would not start a fire. Oxygen would support a fire that was already going. It would take a spark of some kind. I will wait until the NTSB brings out the report with the facts.

[@Johnfisher12345]

I honestly don’t understand where you fools come up with this pure nonsense.

[@CITIZENSDOGE]

@ FAA safety training is where we come up with this pure nonsense. lol. 😂

[@bcask61]

No sign of explosion on board.

[@lilblackduc7312]

Don't feed the trolls = "Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience". -Mark Twain

[@jerseyjim9092]

You can clearly hear that at least one engine was operating at near full speed when it hit the ground.

[@mrf246]

Yup, I agree. Heard it on a video.

[@Chuck44442]

I thought I heard that. Actually I didn't know.

[@Dan-q6v1v]

Drone strike?

[@joesmith4443]

Egg prices are soaring and now Planes are exploding from the sky. FDJT 🇺🇸

[@coollady2179]

@@joesmith4443I knew some idiot would blame Trump for this Lear jet explosion. And egg prices went up because Biden forced farms to slaughter 100 million chickens last year. FJB

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[@rogerherbert1662]

I believe the plane was flown in to the ground with full take off power still applied. The flying pilot was spatially disoriented either due to a sudden or creeping instrumentation malfunction and there could have even been a medical issue with the pilot. There was no explosion. If you plot the ADS-B data the plane was on a smooth continuous curve to the left of the runway heading at speeds well above the stall speed for that aircraft.

[@thomasaustin6360]

The video I saw shows the helicopter accelerating directly into the plane. Prayers for all the families. The best hope here is to confirm it was an accident that had no ulterior motives. That it was an unpreventable accidental tragedy..

[@FranFrench-y1s]

That video was taken off line quickly.

[@weing]

Did either of these experts actually watch these videos? You can clearly hear at least one if not, both engines are running prior to impact.

[@lenaadams786]

😂... because an on fire projectile doesn't make noise. But you, you can say both engines are functioning through the explosion in the air and at the impact. 😂 👌

[@promethiac2641]

This is called a 24 hour news cycle.. meaning any "OMG can you believe it" will be met with a yes, why not? Bad things happen every millisecond.. such is life.

[@bigscores7237]

@@lenaadams786 The high-pitch whine of a small turbine in unmistakable with aerodynamic noise. At least one engine was clearly operational, probably at close to takeoff power.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

It sounded like a plane trying to take off . Like in the 70s when travel was often done in a DC 10.

[@christopherscarpino8994]

As this was a medical flight, I said from the beginning that this might have been an oxygen tank (for patients) which fell over and hit/broke off the regulator, or perhaps an oxygen tank that was not properly prepared for high altitude flight. Remember, there was a witness who reported finding an oxygen tank. It's not a stall, as the plane was going too fast.

[@flutetubamorg]

That sucker didn't fall to the ground it rocketed to the ground. It's certainly possible there was some explosion like an O2 bottle that wrecked the elevator controls, but I really think that at least one engine was full throttle.

[@danechristmas6570]

Thete were oxygen canisters found a quarter mile away from the wreckage...

[@Dan-q6v1v]

What ignited the Ox in the cabin?

[@harveydilworth7140]

Ladies and gentlemen we have homegrown terrorists who know how to bring planes down and do all sorts of things this is going to continue to happen

[@ellierivera5519]

@@Dan-q6v1v Some experts. Said that model aircraft. Has fuel bladders. In the front. If anything from the engine malfunction… would have created the problem! The other is the oxygen tanks?.. the Black box.. well tell…sad day.

[@vxy357]

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!! 🔥 IWAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING!

[@rcampbell4967]

This guy should spend 10 minutes with blancolerio before going on tv to be interviewed.

[@MR-xc3sw]

@@rcampbell4967 agreed.

[@MrSanford65]

If these accidents were nothing but slight simple mistake then we should be having plane crashes all the time

[@CometFire23]

We do, look up the Aviation Safety Network. It tracks all aircraft accidents and incidents. A majority of them just don’t get reported by mainstream news. Pilots go through a lot of training to prevent making these mistakes, but with the thousands of flights every single day, you’re gonna hear about these simple yet fatal mistakes happening from time to time

[@navysealf1]

Excellent Point!!!!!!!

[@FlipDahlenburg]

Enough with responding to every specific question with "Yeah, so...".

[@BrothersInBirdland]

What that even a plane? I don’t even know what’s real nowadays.

[@wikolib6821]

Agree with the explosion angle. There was an oxygen fire on an ambulance in Honolulu in 2022 that killed the patient and severely injured the paramedic.

[@iamthundermug]

I just read about it. Yes there was an o2 leak. However they were unable to determine what the ignition source was and they were unable to determine a fuel source. O2 does not burn, it merely makes things burn faster.

[@bigscores7237]

A fire aft wouldn't immediately incapacitate the crew. And it strongly appears they were in a high-G attempted pullout all the way to the ground, suggesting they were fighting with the controls until impact.

[@GTMemes2]

Errrr this isnt ever comparable to that Hawaii incident even if... (Pardon the pun..Ex..plane how an oxygen tank would cause a Lear jet to crash at full throttle like a missle? Unlike the Hawaii episode yer jabbering about

[@MarcPagan]

From a former CRJ pilot - I disagree that it was an explosion. Due to low ceilings, the "fire" was possibly aircraft lights. Plus, their gentle left after take off is dispositive to an emergency, or loss of control. Making a left turn, yet told right, is an indication of spatial disorientation. They were in the soup/IMC - rather than turn right on course to 290 after take off from RW 24, they started a left turn. RIP.

[@wikolib6821]

@@GTMemes2 Not making a direct comparison between the ambulance fire and the airplane crash. I was just making a point that medical oxygen can cause a fire and an explosion. Also, a portable O2 bottle can become a missile if the neck break off. I've actually seen that. Not saying that's what happened. Keep working on your spelling, grammar and punctuation.

[@PatitpabanSardar]

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[@MR-xc3sw]

Stay focused. We are talking about a plane crash ok. Dint let your illness interfere with the subject at hand.

[@billybupkis3688]

According to the best source on the net, Juan Browne/Blancolireo, there was no on board fire. Looks like a blazing plane to me, but it's just the landing lights coming through the muck, ceiling was 400-600 AGL. Going to be a tough one to figure out, not much left.

[@jettjacobs33]

Best post crash analysis channel out there by far. Main stream media has absolutely no clue what they’re talking about and are capitalizing on the deaths of innocent people.

[@R50_J0]

Agree, looks just like the visual effect of landing lights breaking out of the cloud ceiling. But I can also understand how it might look like fire to a casual observer unfamiliar with the effect.

[@bradfordbrucker]

Seems to me, when it started nosing down, from a few of the videos, it started to screech, as if it was going as fast as it can (911 they revved the engines to max before they hit). Also it started to spin or tumble as if the wings had come off, then the explosion occurred. It looked like a missile not a plane. Hopefully they will investigate histories of everyone on board.

[@tommloye4626]

Plus cheap, fixed lens doorbell cameras.

[@flutetubamorg]

It wouldn't have landing lights on after takeoff.

[@CometFire23]

This guy has no idea what he’s talking about! “The plane nearly stopped and nosed over.” There is no data or footage that says anything like this. He’s seriously watching the video of it coming down head-on and thinks that when it crosses left-to-right that it’s stopping??! And to say he “saw an explosion” in the footage as well?! So the lights of the plane coming out of 400 ft. overcast is obviously an explosion apparently smh. Ridiculous. Why are they interviewing this guy?!

[@craft-o-matic399]

I agree! I have seen no footage of anything even remotely resembling an explosion on board this aircraft. My opinion, is a sabotage of this aircraft by remote control, possibly inducing spatial disorientation in one or both pilots.

[@ohwell2790]

They use this guy all the time. Speculation does no one any good.

[@bigscores7237]

Yeah, I believe it never went below about 210kts indicated airspeed.

[@TangoSierra01]

The pilot got into the low clouds and became disoriented and/or lost situational awareness and was unable to regain control before flying into the ground. Those Learjets are high performance aircraft and at low altitude there is no time for recovery. That plane was only around 1200 feet high and traveling at 250 knots, or approx. 400 feet per second.

[@aircampilot8025]

well said fake news

[@MR-xc3sw]

Pretty much every jet has oxygen on board. Not just medical craft.

[@KM-zu9we]

Why is a Mexican plane that’s maintained by Mexico operating with this kind of regularity in the US without following the US maintenance standards?

[@stephanstory9905]

Exactly my thoughts !

[@aafjeyakubu5124]

Did you know US-registered aircraft operate regularly in other countries without adhering rigidly to each country's maintenance standards? An operator adheres to the standards held by the authority which holds their operating certificate.

[@morrismonet3554]

Ask Biden.

[@1ambrose100]

No ice. Could be fuel related issues. Mechanical failure and/or poor maintenance issues. Remember the TWA 800 747 out of New York in 1996 that exploded (fuel tank and exposed wiring design).

[@KM-zu9we]

@@aafjeyakubu5124 I do, and OUR standards are higher than theirs. This is the 2nd crash from this Mexican run company with this type of plane. The other was in Mexico.

[@KevinLee-hu1lj]

I thought the footage made it look as if it the Lear Jet had bright flash of light coming from within as it plunged down . My 1st thought was "Oh sh***t that was an internal explosion!"

[@venusdistorted5170]

That's my thought. It looked like it was on fire. The fact that it just basically stopped and fell to the Earth at 11,000 feet per minute. I don't by the spatial disorientation. Less than a minute after takeoff? There's also a co-pilot so did he get it at the same time? I still something exploded.

[@Musicchick60]

@@venusdistorted5170 oxygen canister.

[@MR-xc3sw]

@@KevinLee-hu1lj if that was the case parts of the plane would have landed outside the crash zone. So far no parts of the plane have been found outside the crash zone .

[@MR-xc3sw]

@@venusdistorted5170 it didn't " fall" out of the sky. It shot into the ground like a rocket. The huge hole in the concrete is the evidence, well that and available air data. Other videos have the air data for your review. This video offers no actual factual information.

[@kennethbyington516]

​@@MR-xc3sw It could have exploded or engulfed in flames inside. Doesn't mean it would come apart. The pilots getting thrown forward or hunched over from dieing would push the controls forward. Then u nose dive

[@davidbrown8517]

I believe it was a faulty oxygen tank that exploded on the plane.

[@invinoveritas6859]

Exploding cell phones in the engine compartment maybe!??😳🛩️

[@chrisgage894]

Completely wrong. Loss of control due to spatial disorientation classic high speed spiral, not an explosion.

[@Jordan-4-Him-NM]

Seeing the fire ball coming down, I believe there was an explosion inside the plane and that all on board were killed before they hit the ground. Such a tragic event.

[@kennethbyington516]

Well, if they died suddenly from a fire or explosion and it threw them forward in the cockpit from the force. Then they would push the controls forward making a sudden nose dive.

[@kartikakatty6964]

Not a credible expert, the video evidence shows the engines were working at impact, you can hear it for yourself.

[@davidhess6593]

I think that it may have collided with a "drone".

[@MR-xc3sw]

@@davidhess6593 that is a very real possibility. If it went through the windshield especially.

[@Ea2ky90]

How did the atc do a bad job with the Washington crash? He told the helicopter pilot about the plane coming in TWICE and both times the helicopter pilot acknowledged seeing the plane and asked for "visual separation" which gave them full responsibility of maintaining a visual and avoiding the other aircraft. That was 100% the pilots fault

[@thamesmud]

He did not notify the RJ crew of the Heli traffic even when a conflict was showing on his radar. Heli should have been diverted left or held up to ensure separation.

[@promethiac2641]

My heart goes out to these very specific families.. that we are all watching.. get spammed and made a spectacle of.. for the kiddo's.

[@jamesa5720]

It was in the clouds at 1600 feet, so no one would have seen an in-air explosion.

[@GranFinale]

The black hawk was in a visual training excercise, not using instruments. It made a bee line into the airplane. Air Traffic control can't prevent that. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@doveheneagle5898]

Was a woman "chief-pilotting" the hawk? Just wondering because the LIE that a woman can do all (what) a man can do easily & accurately well, is causing much damage, but it's being swept under the carpet. Many top tasks or jobs that only men should do because they're naturally physically, & mentally built for them, are under threat because political correctness & diversity allows women to be included, consequently, standards & quality are sadly compromised & diluted....because these positions are not women's natural habitats. The military, the air force, the army, the POTUS, or any security roles, are NOT & SHOULD NOT be for women. They'll slow down the army/train. Look at some of them on KZbin flaunting, & sexualising their body parts in lipstick & in butt-tight uniforms, in suggestive & sensual poses....so disgraceful & unprofessional & a sign of weakness & corruption to that country.

[@tonyclifton8102]

I thought this video was about the Learjet crash

[@GranFinale]

@@tonyclifton8102 Watch the entire video.

[@nickyb7266]

@@GranFinale would it not be the ATC to DIRECT air traffic?? 100 % it’s there job!

[@robertslugg8361]

@@nickyb7266 Heli pilot did not follow mandated instructions (altitude) and did not correctly identify the plane they were supposed to avoid. It was also a disaster waiting to happen.

[@Gibbs2Go]

Why WOULD the jet company say something was wrong with the plane? Company: “uh, yeah there’s something off with the plane, probably shouldn’t fly it..”

[@derek04151]

Another report states contact with terrain but spatial disorientation is the evolving theory. There was no explosion, it's the landing lights you see in the video.

[@Brian-cr6rb]

Through the clouds, I saw landing lights, not fire. On the same door camera video also heard one if not both engines running at high throttle. This is not going to be a quick investigation. I hope the cause is determined in spite of little to no evidence that survived the impact site. Prayers to all.

[@philspd473]

I'm thinking the plane was in full throttle accent and possibly a hydraulic line blew and the flaps dropped... Not sure we will ever know.

[@dougjohnson4702]

Dan Gyer could figure it out

[@philspd473]

@@dougjohnson4702 now there seems to be some agreement as to the yaw damper system...

[@praisingirl]

Another expert said that both engines had to be at full speed going down

[@paulprigge1209]

Blancolirio explains what the light was on his KZbin. probably does the best job of explaining these accidents what they’re looking for etc. no nonsense

[@mikechar17]

the engines are screaming. I could see a couple scenarios. A rogue person got in the cockpit. They had a bird strike over the marsh, through the window. A pilot who wanted to go, if the plane isnt turned over to 90 degrees its almost aimed at the road. its takes one last dramatic turn down. Those are the crazy scenarios. Or they got lost in the clouds and he stopped going on his heading for no reason and turned the complete opposite direction and did a nose dive into the ground perfectly in the middle of busy road.

[@dew9103]

@@mikechar17imo the last one is the most likely, not the first nor the last time somatogravic illusion strikes in a acceleration + climbing scenario into imc

[@mikechar17]

@ no recording hardware on the aircraft. I get the confusion that could happen that night but the no check in, at a time when by the data there was no reason for that. In a minute I dont think im going to that as my default cause. Hypothetically he should have ended up to the right. Not one radio call.

[@dew9103]

@@mikechar17 there’s definitely at least one radio call, the one replying to tower’s message to contact departure

[@Darryl6636]

Usually when there’s an inflight explosion the aircraft breaks up that aircraft went straight into the ground like a spear

[@DoctorRickOD]

"compressed air can be extremely flammable"... Fox News you need to take this guy's name out of your Roladex.

[@PBVader]

Medical grade O2 is nothing like compressed air. You can thank your teacher for that not so smart remark. Research O2 and oil, or O2 and iron.

[@pmpwiz]

@@PBVader Your reading comprehension needs to be upgraded.

[@PBVader]

@@pmpwiz OH, I read just fine.

[@BadMonkeyTouring]

I was a Flight Paramedic for about 2 years, operating out of South Florida. The owner was always pushing the crew to push the limits. I remember one Captain was flying the same day he learned that his mother had died. He shouldn't have been in the plane because he wasn't in his right mind. He busted a cleared altitude by several thousand feet, getting himself and the co-pilot violated. I did all my flight training and flew private jets out of South Florida for several years and it is rife with operators that test the limits of the regulations.

[@PennyMeeker-j8m]

I believe it did explode before heading to the ground, it looked like it did with a flash in the sky. Seemed on fire too. May God be with those who have lost loved ones and those injured and passed on the ground. Prayers for all. Peace!

[@johnsmith-po1uo]

Landing lights glaring off the clouds.

[@joesmith4443]

Ikr Planes are exploding in the sky, Egg prices are soaring all under a False prophet President Diaper Don FDJT 🇺🇸 🙏🏻

[@earljohnson2676]

Yea good point I saw that and before it hit the ground the sky lit up orange . This has to be one of worst things I ever seen and a lot of people are going to struggle with PTSD the human brain isn’t made for this type of horrors etc

[@Johnfisher12345]

It didn’t explode in the air. You people are CLUELESS.

[@JetDriver77]

There was no inflight explosion. This aircraft was in the air for less than a minute and you can see it intact and not on fire coming out of the cloud deck with its landing light on. This was either spatial disorientation (it was foggy/raining that night) or I'm afraid to say; suicide. Though "Spatial D" is highly more likely, suicide has been a factor in some other aviation accidents.

[@user-pm5jh8vj2x]

This guy does not know what he’s talking about. It’s much more likely the crew suffered spatial disorientation. The ceiling was 400’ AGL, so in a Lear 55 they were off the runway only a few seconds before going IMC. For a fact based analysis watch the Blancolirio video. Juan has all the ADSB data and looks at the crash without resorting to pure conjecture.

[@watchgoose]

Juan is a good man but was not thinking about O2 bottles and may not have seen the one I did laying on the ground.

[@-Primer-]

@@watchgoose No. Oxygen tanks don't just magically start fires or explode. And even if one tank was leaking, causing an oxygen rich environment, there won't be a massive fire.

[@ohwell2790]

Yep, Juan is my go to source for everything aviation.

[@Dan-q6v1v]

Apparently, visuals now show the jet on fire 🔥 before impacting the ground.

[@danechristmas6570]

That angle of decent was pretty steep, and the huge explosion on impact... Unreal!

[@kevinedwards7206]

the problem is oxygen by itself is not flammable; otherwise our atmosphere would burn.. it makes a great accelerant.. anything catches fire though.. . it does burn EXCESSIVELY.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

The tanks have concentrated oxygen. Our air has other things as well.

[@vxy357]

TRUE DAT!!!

[@mahbriggs]

It could very likely cause a flash fire if it was at a high enough concentration! Best bet is to be patient and let the crash investigators do their job.

[@markbilsborough4150]

Once O2 levels reach 23.5% consentration, it becomes explosive. One spark is all that is needed.

[@kristinesmart582]

@@RepentfollowJesus Our atmosphere is over 70% nitrogen I do believe which is not flammable.

[@WT-Sherman]

Nobody else sees an inflight explosion on the Philly crash. The light coming off the jet while still airborne were the landing lights . This was either a mechanical failure, or pilot disorientation.

[@nolanmailhos1470]

Oxygen!! Medical oxygen.

[@88KeysIdaho]

Don't all planes have oxygen to compensate for the thinning air outside as the plane climbs?

[@robertslugg8361]

@@88KeysIdaho Most planes will bleed compressed air off the fans to pressurize the cabin to about 3-6000 ft elevation. larger and commercial airliners will also have a separate small turbine engine in the tail area (APC) to provide electrical/compressed air to the cabin. If this fails, then most all jets will have at least supplemental oxygen for the pilots and passengers in order to get the plane to a lower elevation that is again safe. Sometimes a plane will undergoe an explosive decompression at a high altitude which incapacitates the crew. If the plane is on autopilot it will fly until the fuel runs out, like payne Stewarts did a couple of decades ago. When, not if, I win Powerball at least one of my pilots will always be on oxygen, just sayin.

[@88KeysIdaho]

@@robertslugg8361 Thanks for the info. I didn't think Oxygen on a plane was all that out of the norm.

[@Cheva-Pate]

Oxygen cylinder doesn’t usually “explode” in a fire a cylinder with oxygen can burst when pressure rises, but oxygen is an oxidizer and doesn’t burn by itself, you need a material that is flammable in combination with oxygen to start a fire!

[@superomegaprimemk2]

The Washingtron crash, I would say the Helicopper pilot was clearly in the wrong and some people are saying the wrong height for what they were meant to be doing and they are also saying the crew lost sight of the plane, likely mistaking it for another plane. The Philly crash, something happened onboard the plane, to cause it to nose dive like a brick into the ground killing everyone onboard as it appeared to be extremely rapid and not sprialling out of control!

[@breakinghues2751]

Arthur Rosenberg has got to be the worst person you could’ve brought on as an expert.

[@Dr-Jamie]

No, regarding the Philadelphia crash, with all due respect, Mr Rosenberg is wrong! When the full report is out, this will be proven totally wrong. Firstly, from the publicly accessible ADSB data, the ground speed was in excess of 200 kts, and around 250kts at impact with a descent rate of 7,000-11,000 ft/min! Secondly, one can see the aircraft intact as it curves directly downwards to the ground -- an explosion would have resulted in multiple parts of the aircraft's fuselage and wings falling to the ground and not a smooth but steep curve as we see in the video footage. Thirdly, an explosion would have created a larger debris field as was seen, even if the aircraft was not relatively that high. This looks very much like spatial disorientation or a flight control failure (for example asymmetry of control surface like flaps, as they are retracted at that stage of flight, which would cause a left roll, when they were supposed to complete a 50º right turn from ~240º to 290º). There is clearly a spiral dive which did not result in breakup of the aircraft. The spiral dive and curved track towards the ground suggests wings and fuselage were intact and following a predictable curved trajectory as opposed to a more chaotic one seen with fragments of an aircraft subsequent to an in-flight explosion (which clearly did not happen here).Not diminishing his experience as a pilot, I believe Mr Rosenberg latched on to Juan Brown's comment about oxygen tanks exacerbating the blaze and built a totally unpersuasive argument around that which doesn't fit the visual evidence and scenario presented here.

[@Dr-Jamie]

Also, the flare of the light which may be misconstrued as "fire", is actually a result of the Tindall effect (scattering of light, due to defraction by water droplets) through the cloud -- the cloud base was around 400ft at the time.

[@Adwerks396]

What is science or scientists doing on the Fox channel? 🤔

[@robertalan4717]

Oxygen does not burn. It supports combustion but oxygen itself is not flammable. The tanks are filled to 2000 psi. The biggest danger is a valve being broken off in witch case the bottle becomes a rocket.

[@SuEnRoD]

I said this last night. The plane was obviously on fire before it crashed.

[@bcask61]

No it wasn’t.

[@sherlockhomo-ph4su]

So was Trump's presidency

[@evie-wu5qd]

@@sherlockhomo-ph4su you took the vaccine didn’t you 😅😅😅😅 how do you feel that Biden pardon Fauci?

[@dennishungerford4146]

Night flying drones over Philly? Seen lately by star gazers? May have been cause !

[@SuEnRoD]

@@bcask61 Go watch the video.

[@HailMary888]

So true, some other analyst said it wasn't on fire in the air, but I heard a witness immediately after the crash say cars were on fire before the plane hit the ground.

[@marmaly]

There was data registered all the way to the ground. Landing lights were visible. No sign of fire. Guy doesn't know.

[@alfredovalles4100]

The plane was in pieces as it came down

[@kmcd5021]

Has any of these people that are saying this man doesn't know what he's talking about watched the video and questioned why the plane fell to earth as a fireball.

[@Musicchick60]

Footage shows fire, then a “boom” [oxygen canister explosion].

[@kmcd5021]

@Musicchick60 That's what I thought it may have been from the beginning, an oxygen tank explosion. Why else was the plane a fireball as it fell. At least some type of explosion.

[@dew9103]

Looks like just landing lights to me? I don’t see any explosion in flight, and if you’re talking about the one when the plane hit the ground, plenty of crashes have it like the 2017 lear jet crash at teterboro or the atlas air crash at houston

[@kmcd5021]

@@dew9103 The plane is obviously on fire falling from the sky. You can see the flame from the body of the plane in some videos. Something ignited that flame.

[@dew9103]

@@kmcd5021 it was not and the reason I’m kinda sure on this is that even though the video of the ring camera with a guy is not that clear, there are others which the one I’m citing is the one in livenow from fox’s video, looks to be white landing lights until the plane hits the ground

[@AllenPortman]

Being a retired firefighter (captain) I too believe it was a catastrophic explosion that occurred! Coupled with it being topped off with fuel and medical and flight oxygen and with no time to even declare an emergency it then dive bombed the ground!!!

[@1mnstrbassplyer]

Nope, not an inflight fire. Also the planes engines were at full throttle in the dive as just before impact, the jet was traveling at 11,008 ft per sec dive speed. Juan Browns Blancolirio channel has the best evidence based explanation so far. The plane did not just stop in flight. The landing lights are what you see in the video, not fire...Go watch Juan Brown..

[@sharoncutrun129]

Why does a major airport in the United States, doing depending on VFR flights after dark. This is looks like a systemic failure by the air traffic controllers, because they were under staffed. This obviously needs to change sooner rather then latter. Let us not forget to pray for all the families who have lost family members and friends of this horrible accident.

[@floodx4947]

ATC informed the helicopter TWICE that there was a plane in front of them. TWICE the helicopter acknowledged they had the plane in sight, and requested 'visual separation' ... which simply meant that they would avoid it. This guy is a MORON if he believes ATC was responsible for the DC crash.

[@Zapattack321]

The ATC tower was understaffed as one of the controllers was allowed to leave early, when that individual should have been there; ATC will have some culpability in this when it’s all said and done.

[@bcask61]

The helo saw an aircraft near them but not the one atc was warning about.

[@floodx4947]

@@Zapattack321 What would the tower have done differently if they were fully staffed? Warned them THREE times there was a plane in their path? If you have not heard it, go listen to the tower recording. The warned them the first time when they were probably 2-3 miles out. PAT25 (the helo) acknowledged the plane, and requested "visual separation". That literally means " I see it. I will fly around it". The tower AGAIN warned them roughly 10-15 seconds before the collision, and EVEN told them to "go behind". They literally TOLD them where to fly. And the last transmission from the chopper was once again "Request Visual Separation", for the SECOND time. This accident is 100% the fault of helicopter pilots.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

The plane was 150 feet above the helicopters' height. How also could they not see a huge plane right in front of them??

[@floodx4947]

@@RepentfollowJesus There was another plane about a half mile behind the one they hit. The assumption is that they were looking at (fixated on) that plane.

[@rustyupton168]

Spatial disorentiontation. The landing lights were still on. No explosion

[@CarlyJohnson55]

So heartbreaking 💔

[@davidwilliams4498]

Agree 1 of oxygen bottles was leaking

[@reedsilvesan2197]

I think that an oxygen cylinder somehow got loose, ruptured the valve and ignited the fire.

[@JohhnMontgomery]

ypu ever tried to bust a valve off of a tank like that? its not something done easily i can tell you that.

[@reedsilvesan2197]

@JohhnMontgomery Theycan be broken much easier than you think. Aircraft sometimes lurch violently from air currents. The Aircraft was burning as it decended

[@rogerdavenport9618]

As soon as I heard it was a med flight, and oxygen cylinders on board, that's what I said Friday.

[@johnmeyer7679]

This “expert” is a fool. Closest he’s ever been to a cockpit is coach seating. Please evaluate your pundits

[@57Jimmy]

Three letters explain everything… F. O. X.

[@SandNSurf]

It did not explode in the air. It exploded on impact. The lights seen in the air are the lights from the plane, not an explosion. The experts have all weighed in on this.

[@JohhnMontgomery]

it was on fire coming down fam. at least thats what one of the videos showed

[@doveheneagle5898]

Well, it appeared to be on fire before the explosion on impact, on the ground? God knows exactly what happened & if there's more to it.

[@cd50]

@@JohhnMontgomery no fire. lights from the plane

[@s.m.shields5681]

As a former pilot I have never seen a plane who just took off , only got to 1500 ft and then out of nowhere nose dived at a rapid decent. If you do the pysics on this the plane had to be doing over a 1000 ft per minute to nose dive this hard? Only a few things could cause this. Internal explosion which blew the forward movement of the plane basicly lost all control and gravity took over. This is not an American plane, rather registered in Mexico which means it was maintained in Mexico. It will be interested to see how fast the Mexican president gets the maintenance records to NTSB. Many questions. No time for conspiracy theories.

[@FactsInAFlash2024]

Ummm, try 11,000' per minute. Radar indicated they remained at a steady 200 knots. The overcast ceiling was about 400'-600' so the rapid decent began at 1600' which only took a matter of split seconds, about 5-6, to clear the cloud we see in the ring doorbell footage and it's another 3-4 seconds till impact. You can hear at minimum an engine in full force so I'm going to assume that engine failure isn't going to be a contributing factor. They were in mid-execution of a 50° turn while continuing to climb. I believe spatial disorientation is the culprit. Although it's unlikely both pilots experienced spatial disorientation at the same exact moment I believe all it took was for the 1 pilot to experience it for a split second. They had absolutely no ceiling to attempt any kind of correction even if the aircraft didn't experience a stall of any kind. I'd say from the start of the catastrophe to impact was roughly 10 seconds or so give or take.

[@s.m.shields5681]

@@FactsInAFlash2024 Not nearly enough ceiling for the aircraft to fall that fast as the structural capacity of the jet would have separated long before it hit the ground.

[@bethgrimes7293]

What a tragegy & mess!! Sad sad!!

[@robertslugg8361]

This pundit certainly did not let facts interfere with his analysis.

[@timothypropst238]

The Philly crash looks like a classic case of spatial disorientation.

[@joesmith4443]

Yep and Egg prices are skyrocketing thanks President Diaper Don for lying it will solved on a Day One 🤥

[@derek04151]

That's the evolving theory.

[@Sergei__v]

@@joesmith4443what a silly statement. Now show us where Trump said anything like this. TDS much?

[@joesmith4443]

@@Sergei__v On day one, President Diaper Don promised to tackle inflation-his one big mandate. Instead, egg prices are still soaring, and now we’re dealing with planes falling out of the sky. How’s the weather in Moscow Sergei?

[@johnw6908]

@@joesmith4443 Go back to felching Hunter…

[@niraku321]

How are oxygen tanks flamable?

[@sarlineh]

Where do you get these “experts”??? Guy has no clue. Blancolirio or bust!!!

[@diegojines-us9pc]

hey we need air time. get the janitor, hes been on a plane and get him a tie.

[@geezer652]

Juan is an active airline pilot, if he's on a trip he wouldn't be available. In a day or two when he is back on the ground he will brief us all on the Philly and DC incidents. So chill-out and wait for our expert. To hell with Fox and all the other bubble-heads.

[@johntalbert8227]

@@geezer652 He put out a video several hours ago.

[@chilifinger]

Ceiling 400 feet. Immediate loss of orientation in clouds after take-off. The Learjet 55 is a beast to fly. Plane was intact, engines at full power when it hit the ground. Common pilot error, but avoidable.

[@bcask61]

I don’t see flames when the plane is comi g down I see landing lights, no sign of flame. The data does not show a stall at any point. The plane was well above stall speed throughout the duration of the flight. This guy is giving out bad info.

[@jordanhenshaw]

Flight profile is a classic stall. Cog too far aft may have contributed.

[@bigscores7237]

@@jordanhenshaw Yeah, in a fully loaded 747-400. Not a chance in a Lear 55. Even if there was a catastrophic load shift, you have strong laminar flow for days. That plane would have shot up another 1,000 feet in the air if there was any input close to stalling a Lear 55 wing at 210kts airspeed imo. You also would have necessarily seen a dramatic groundspeed drop prior to commencement of the dive.

[@josephpa05]

landing lights?? it looked like a missile . I have no idea what video you saw

[@sonofhibbs4425]

It looks like fire to me. It’s not just a light, it’s rolling light of different tones, at different heights at times, like in fire. It was foggy, but I don’t think that would account for making landing lights look like fire.

[@bcask61]

@@josephpa05flames are orange. All I see is white light. Landing/ navigation lights moving very fast obviously.

[@YallDotBiz]

Dude, look at all the videos. The plane is intact and not on fire. Looks like spatial disorientated in IMC. There were five controllers, two were local. Do you have to take a loyalty pledge to work for Fox?

[@colewarweg8594]

The light on the video that people think is fire is the plane’s landing light

[@bethgrimes7293]

Horribly sad!!!😢

[@jjsz422]

This guy immediately blames ATC for the Midair. Says he thinks the guy did a terrible job. Spoken like a true expert who's never been in that job, has no idea of air traffic procedures, and has probably never set foot inside of an air traffic facility. The controller called the traffic to the H60. The H60 said they had the CRJ in sight and requested visual separation, which the controller approved. This is standard procedure and is used thousands of times a day across the country. Moments before impact, the controller once again asks the H60 if they had the CRJ in sight and then tells the H60 to pass behind the CRJ. H60 should have been at or below 200' and closer to the eastern shoreline of the Potomac. Collision took place at around 325' and closer to the middle of the river. So, the H60 was 125' too high and northwest of course. They climbed at the last second and ATC RADAR doesn't update that fast so the controller thought they were at 200'. But yeah, let's blame the controller, who by the way is probably having nightmares and sleepless nights, unable to leave his house, falling into a state of depression over something that he was trained to do and performed thousands of times before uneventfully.

[@tylerd55555]

Arthur your analysis is excellent. You are a top notch investigator attorney and pilot.

[@jacobdudzik2260]

DRONE Collision???

[@AWSmith1955]

No explosion until it hit the ground. There is yet another doorbell video where you see lights on all corners of the plane as it accelerates into the ground.

[@akshonclip]

ADSB data says otherwise. This guy is talking out of his arse

[@retrosonghits]

I concur with what Arthur has said. It makes sense. I had the same thought with some mishap with oxygen tanks being a factor, although I did not know about the jet fuel bladders also being a factor. Just from the naked eye and had I not known this was a Medical transport aircraft, I just saw a huge explosion I likened to a mini atomic bomb going off. It all is so very sad for all aboard and very sad for those killed and hurt on the ground. I hope when the NTSB does their full investigation that changes be made to this never happening again.

[@Johnfisher12345]

This guy is CLUELESS. There was no in-flight explosion whatsoever. This was almost certainly a loss of control due to spatial disorientation. Smarten up!

[@tanana2070]

Were you there? The plane was on fire on the way down. You can clearly see it, like a comet or missile. It makes sense that an oxygen tank exploded, causing the literal drop from the sky.

[@sonofhibbs4425]

@@tanana2070 definitely looked to be on fire. It wasn’t just landing lights.

[@Johnfisher12345]

@tanana2070 🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@Johnfisher12345]

@sonofhibbs4425 It wasn’t on fire. I love how everyone is watching a bunch of grainy low res video of a fast moving plane in fog and thinking they’re seeing fire somehow. You people are IDIOTS.

[@damstr8345]

B.s. everyone saw an explosion mid air.. we will never know the truth as long as people post their opinions.

[@edhawkins1]

No fire. Look again. Lights from plane. Other angles don’t show fire. Both engines running.

[@JohnathanFireeater]

Is it any surprise Fox got something wrong again? I should say most likely got it wrong - odds favor no fire.

[@arus2980]

Oh I didn't know know you had an eagle eye

[@stevemachemer5763]

You could CLEARLY see the plane on fire coming down in one of the recordings they have. Also, there was an explosion in the sky right before the plane hit the ground.