Former President Thabo Mbeki maintains his stance on HIV/AIDS

"When people say to me HIV causes AIDS, I say one virus causes a syndrome. You can't say one virus causes all of these illnesses. What you can say is that this virus impacts negatively on the immune system." - Former president Thabo Mbeki.
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[@tetyanaphikolomzi6886]

I hope our people will start to understand that media does not praise good leaders

[@quasar960]

Good leaders??? Show me a good leader and I’ll praise show me a man who isn’t out for their own agaenda that also isn’t talking coneomtely out of his ass like this guy is

[@user-ok7nw3hd4k]

Media is entirely owned by corrupt Big Tech and the psychopaths that rule this planet.

[@SDF-nm7sv]

Miles ahead of his time and the unfortunate part is he had to deal with these hordes of lamaqaba asemzantsi

[@mantepalegodi4351]

Can the former president leave medical explanations to the medical professionals 😢

[@taniaherbst9783]

He is 100 percent correct, this man is so underrated and I am sorry that he was pushed out of government, we were robbed of a brilliant leader

[@mpucukonxumalo7802]

Robbed of a moron. Sandbox take on health science. We are in the dark today because of him, a rotten top cop was being defended by him against , MaNtombela Msimang…….I am so surprised he gets so much audience when he utters nothingness and he gets applauded.

[@lindsnde6185]

The constitution doesn't allow a Third term as president

[@bonganiking3214]

@@lindsnde6185 which constitution stipulates that?

[@stlouisix3]

It doesn't even exist. I wish he'd stood up more strongly and said it in the 80s or 1990s before the life expectancy of South Afca was lessened by 1 year over 30 years, whilst other countries increased their life expectancies by over 20 years over the same time period because they weren't taking harmful meds like ARVTs.

[@nataliashevchenko9684]

@@stlouisix3 They say it appeared in Africa in the 30s. BUT! There are graphs of death rates around the world from 1950s from UN. In African countries death rate was dropping all the way till late 80s or early 90s! Only when they came to save you the death rate rose extremely! They said take pills, that were toxic and expensive, instead of improving quality of food, water and sanitation. One does not need to be a doctor or a scientist to understand that THEY ARE LYING!

[@IanVie]

Former president Mbeki wouldn't have locked us up during COVID-19, leadership

[@kagisomanota8762]

You are more understandable now the then. Maybe it's because our minds are sober and we think objectively now. Apologies Mr President... 🙏🙏

[@othomile]

Wow.. Our African leaders are getting stronger

[@docdynamix]

You fool

[@docdynamix]

@@MALIKUSMAN-ln1jz your a liar

[@sydneymachaba3534]

The biggest problem is always been poverty and malnutrition.

[@stlouisix3]

Mostly from the government making people poorer and from poisoning everyone through the water supply etc.

[@thandekagumede2173]

Those are the questions that we still don’t have answers to. Or at least those who have answers are being silenced by big tech! Viva our President! Zizi!!🎉 the thinker🎉. We see you ❤

[@petertheron1256]

This man's chain of thinking😍😣❤️...I was too young to understand him when he was still our president 😔

[@tise-zn]

What are you understanding now? Because you will have to ask yourself why were so many people even the rich who were eating healthy were dying and then almost stopped after ARVs.

[@gsmbonane4742]

You not the only one…

[@kevinsekete1765]

@@tise-zn like ur name,u don't know.

[@neomalapane983]

🙄 I don't know who's more stupid ..Mbeki for the nonsense he spoke or you for actually praising mediocrity.....

[@petertheron1256]

@@neomalapane983 You're failing to understand the logic employed and what financial implications did the introduction of ARVs have on the economy of S.A and Africa as a whole. To this day we're still funding a HIV/AIDS programme which we do not understand. A typical and recent example: COVID. South Africa bought millions of "vaccines" which have not been used to this day. What Mbeki is saying is: we should've been given more time to understand the virus and it's effect, and then find a solution to the challenge from within S.A, and not have all ARVs produced and patented by Western countries. If you do not understand that, then you've got a serious problem👍👌

[@tokollodamons985]

I was saying this in defence of Thabo to every media manipulated politic aloof of those times, and only now, only now they understand, too late is too late

[@keabetsweadimang1714]

Mmm the last statement hits home👌👌🔥🔥

[@thulanivelem4507]

Mbeki refused the issue of ARVs as it was he blvd uts just a scam to make profit. He wanted to read and get better understanding of this. The explanation of medical terms he made are correct, and this is an information that we were not given unless you read it urself. If they say AIDS is a Syndrome (TB, Menangitis etc...) why not use same treatment measures used for someone with that specific disease that forms part of syndrome other than buying ARVs. Some African countries managed to control HIV without ARVs but discipline ( safe sex etc..). Bcz of Mbeki was against those who wanted to make profits, they took him out.......Thts as far I am concerned.

[@mpucukonxumalo7802]

Should have studied electricity supply shortage properly.

[@adamcassimjee532]

True. Also, the Earth is flat.

[@thembelaiiv9694]

while he was busy trying to get the logic if it people were dying andiyaz ndxaki yalotata

[@rozana645]

Hey Mr Mbeki, where did the health expects got it wrong, thank you for the explanation, we could have listened to you years back, we are really not good listeners

[@elsadupreez4324]

Where did the get it wrong with covid jabs . Follow the money

[@thabomashiane8265]

Ppl rely on mainstream media for information... All this was deliberate. Big pharma is always looking for new markets.

[@angelogelderbloem7872]

South Africa owe Pres Mbeki an apology this man has been a leader amongst leaders, I have supported him since and I support him still his a thinker and that’s what’s lacking now thinkers

[@MrJoseph1211]

Because Mbeki decided to turn AIDS into an ideological issue, he caused over 300 000 deaths. Those of us in health care saw people dying every week, people wasting away, leaving their children orphans, those children starving, looking after their younger brothers and sisters, we went to funerals every week, while our government denied them life saving medication, proven to save lives, while people in other African countries and all over the world were able to take that medication, and suddenly they saw life expectancy going up. In South Africa our life expectancy went from 64 in 1994 to 55 in 2005 and after ARVs were introduced, rose back up to 64. Mbeki's intellectual arrogance killed. And it killed poor people the most. Do you know I met with Minister Aaron Motsoaledi in his office in 2011, and he said when he took over from Tshabalala-Msimang, he found a report in the drawer of his desk, describing the shocking rate of maternal deaths, caused by AIDS. She knew, and she did nothing about it.

[@oralminyi9826]

It is often said that people DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW until they KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE. And when you played around with verbal jargon when people were dying, you did not seem to care, Mr President.

[@tumimontsho]

Kante whats wrong with Ntate Mbeki?

[@nickkormakov2304]

is he still alive?

[@yoliswa5390]

Nutrition is important, but more importantly is to be faithful to your partners, u can't have a one night stand get pregnant and don't no who the father is

[@stlouisix3]

You're ignorant of morality☦✝☦ and of science. Stop taking poison.

[@YurumeinHerballyLiving]

And stop creating viruses in labs

[@sharingfamspace3156]

Sadly you not the Doctor but I understand your views.the great Mbeki🇿🇦

[@sihlemondi6363]

You don't need to be a Dr to have a brain that can question things that don't make sense.

[@elsadupreez4324]

@@sihlemondi6363 drs don’t question. They follow orders from pharmaceutical companies. And their regulating bodies. Otherwise they won’t get paid

[@njabumalinga4385]

Will really miss your intelligence mr president,when yu were reluctant of zuma becoming the next president sasicabanga ukt uzonda thina mazulu kant wawaz ukt akayona a right candidate for the high office

[@khanyijojo7021]

Woow 👌 Thabo ✊✊🥰

[@lesegomabiletsa6458]

Zuma was for imperials. All the superpowers wanted Mbeki out, so they elevated Zuma

[@roystonh5638]

Same questions peter deusberg and kary mullis were asking that were never answered.

[@aphiweM96]

Viva Mr President ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

[@manyananihlwatika726]

The only best president we had in this so called democracy

[@papapegna7775]

A great 🦁 of Africa.

[@bonganinene4074]

You were a and still is great man, Mr Thabo mbeki, I totally misunderstood the concept at first, but now. Mr heart is painful cos even now there's no answer to all south African and there would be no one taking tablet eternally plus they hiding this information to people

[@Dibaba3172]

I'm not following, is he saying ARV's are not effective on helping a weak immune system?

[@cekisoodwa7102]

Thabo Mbeki leadership 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@mekswelltimothymalaza9546]

U are making sense Mr President because the Doctors will tell u big words and they make u more sick than before.

[@nkosikhonsgumedr-de4mv]

Only president that makes sense

[@UserDontiAS]

He is true leader indeed, he use to care about our people. People seem to misunderstood 😩 back then he was just speaking truth to the power and power didn't like it. We hear it now hopefully soon they will make something about it

[@vitumbikomakuwa10]

The only President we had in this country post Mandela

[@fananelsonmbambo9040]

Keep on dreaming on day light, we want to get rid of ANC EFF and DA criminals, you busy with your tribalism of praising tribalist criminals who assassinated Chris Hani, go to bed if you want to dream

[@musamanqele6575]

Who's "We", don't involve me in ur narrow minded statement 🤡💩

[@nalikamvamusic3392]

Wow you are making sense actually President

[@qhubokuhlenkiwane7172]

I see a lot of comments saying Mbeki doesn't know what he's saying and yet if you look at the definition of a syndrome - a cluster of symptoms indicative of a condition with no clear or direct cause - then it follows that HIV cannot be the cause of AIDS directly because then AIDS would be a disease as opposed to a syndrome. The virus indeed merely weakens the immune system. Additionally, it is also true that nutrition plays a huge role in immunity as the body needs nutrients to form antibodies etc. Also at one point Zimbabwe and Botswana had the highest HIV and AIDS rate in the world. Neither country bought and distributed ARVs nearly as widely as South Africa did, yet both countries have relinquished the title to South Africa for the highest number of infections, a title earned after the mass purchase of ARVs by the government; this is a possible indication that the role of ARVs has been overemphasised or inflated. If you look into western pharmaceuticals, particularly the USA and their interactions with Africa, you may begin to understand the former president's skepticism. Even though I may not wholly agree with his conclusions, I think it's a mistake to dismiss him as someone who doesn't know what he's talking about; the man is far from stupid.

[@elsadupreez4324]

Absolutely correct. Go and read the book’the real dr fauci’ by r Kennedy.

[@bensonlokrik1835]

Stop this you indoctrination.. thousands and thousands of medics Don't agree with these fake hypothesis

[@brinnd330]

It’s one thing to be skeptical of pharmaceutical companies motivated by profit. It’s another thing entirely to ignore two decades of evidence from independent researchers showing without a doubt that ARVs are life saving.

[@catherina6739]

@@brinnd330 so people destroying themselves with destructive lifestyles and people who are malnourished must have a small little nano thingy making them sick magically ..................................... the little thingy that has never been taken from a living body and shown to be. You are such a brilliant imaginer. aaaaaaaaaaaaawe should build a shrine for you.

[@pressbutton5101]

he keep saying they weren't medical doctors, though they kept reading and reading yet still took kak measures..so none of them thought it was good idea to get experts, like scientists? or they didn't want to because they wanted to too and expertsvwere costy

[@nwabisam8145]

The only person who will save SA again is Mr. Thabo Mbeki, can this man be a president again

[@nick8841]

A syndrome is a collection of symptoms and signs that occur together and characterize a particular condition. In the case of HIV/AIDS, the virus (HIV) attacks the immune system, specifically targeting CD4 cells, which are crucial for the body's defense against infections. As the immune system becomes progressively weaker due to HIV infection, various symptoms and complications can arise, such as opportunistic infections and certain cancers. These symptoms collectively define the syndrome known as AIDS (Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome). So, the virus (HIV) leads to the syndrome (AIDS) by weakening the immune system and causing a range of associated symptoms and conditions.

[@nandivanqa-mgijima646]

Many lives were lost while you were and still looking for answers to your questions...

[@motupamakgai3659]

Many lives are still being lost today. The pharmaceuticals are just trynna make money intentionally out of it, by the way thier intention was vele to destroy the Black communities

[@stlouisix3]

I hope one of those lives was someone close to you, who took the ARVTs and other medications you promote🤣😂😄

[@heleennel9903]

And where did you study medicine ? Bra Aids is stage 4 of HIV infection..

[@tshep0]

He still doesn't explain the reason for delaying the roll out of ARV's, because like nutrition, education, condomising, ARV's also played a pivotal role takling the communicable illness. Some may say it placed a huge role... whether or not it made someone out there rich. Now we as south Africans should come out with cheaper ways in eradicating the illness. As it sits it's an us problem for now

[@tshep0]

But outsider of the HIV sagga, mbeki was still a good president, in comparison to his successors

[@stlouisix3]

@@tshep0 ARVs are harmful too. I hope you've taken 6 corona-virus vaccines and also take multiple flu vaccines annually.

[@Essellel]

Watch Robert F Kennedy’s new movie or read his book published a few months back. You will find what he says about the AIDS virus very interesting and it may help you understand Mbeki’s stance on AZT’s back when he was president a bit.. and how MSM did not expose all the information even back then…. Pharma was buying the narrative….

[@akhonagala4581]

Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki

[@papapegna7775]

Thanks Président

[@cphmdakhane0163]

Thanks Former u thinking let's come up with a plan

[@thestream1]

Watch a documentary called "House of Numbers" here on KZbin... he is even featured in it.

[@dimam4466]

Leave them Mr President, they don't want to be saved.

[@manthodiramokgatla9939]

Now we are awake Mr president.

[@sanaeivstation9982]

unfortunately we always wake up late

[@docdynamix]

@@sanaeivstation9982 you and him are still both sleeping

[@TheZuluman7]

He is a great thinker .Respect !

[@hugo_kruger]

Mbeki is correct,

[@jongindlebe5176]

But untreated HIV causes opportunistic infections (hence the syndrome) and even AIDS if its stage 4 or something of that effect...im sorry I dont agree with this logic im glad TAC won the case against the government otherwise many people would still die unnecessarily from HIV with ART. I still respect uZizi though.

[@achisare]

The only thing that is killing people is ignorant. The scripture said be careful because many of you have entertained the angels unknowingly. First understand the definition of HIV in full then understand again the definition of AIDS in full..... that's where the solution is

[@Sobchak2]

Yes, a virus can cause a syndrome, and that can and does kill people. Ignoring this is criminal.

[@lizomakalima7839]

The point is not abt the definition Zizi bt is rather about you delaying the ARVs

[@stlouisix3]

The ARVS were and are harmful both economically and physiologically.

[@payntngthatownred9141]

I think Mr Mbeki is persisting with his intellectual arrogance. That debate is closed man. Pull another one. If HIV were a medical condition that merely led to a compromised immune system, 'opportunistic' diseases would have been relatively easy to treat and contain. Besides, a 'disease of poverty' wouldn't have affected the rich. I'm not a medical doctor but I reckon there's a whole world of difference between a syndrome and malnutrition. The irony of it is that, some of us were actually poisoned by the Mbeki regime. Please, don't come with diversions here. Mbongeni Khumalo

[@papapegna7775]

My Brother, Hé did not Say HIV is a médical condition. But HIV may weaken thé immune système and cause malnutrition. Malnutrition causes AIDS

[@xabisompushe9100]

How's magic johnson??

[@xabisompushe9100]

Lol he's also not a medical doctor, and I'm sure he understands that there's a difference between a syndrome and malnutrition. Maybe that's why he NEVER said there's no difference between the 2. I'm wondering if some of y'all actually listened to him, coz it almost seems like y'all also have some kinda syndrome

[@jmwindu]

​@@xabisompushe9100living his best life by taking the most advanced arvs that science can create. Exactly what mbheki said wouldn't help

[@klausrojas952]

I don't understand So does HIV or AIDS exist or not?

[@nthabix]

It does

[@jmwindu]

He claimed that hiv did not cause aids and that arvs are not an effective treatment. Arvs are an effective treatment so much so that they can now be prescribed as a preventative measure with >99% chance of not getting infected. It is one of the most impressive discoveries in the western world

[@christophergulubane4075]

End result, more deaths from HIV whilst you lecture on a subject you've just told us you are not qualified in. Remember "There's no crisis in Zimbabwe." Clap hands for him? African leaders 😫😫

[@cphmdakhane0163]

Did He say African

[@givenbongz7057]

Best president ever

[@sishomaphisa6358]

😭

[@tibbar1000]

Had Mbeke not acted so decisively and with such great wisdom, thousands of pregnant women in South Africa would have been subjected to AZT poisoning after a positive HIV antibody test despite being asymptomatic.

[@brinnd330]

I think you mean that because he did not act decisively, thousands of babies became infected with HIV when that transmission could have been prevented with AZT or nevirapine. Almost 350,000 people died because this man blocked access to life saving medications.

[@tibbar1000]

@@brinnd330 no I meant exactly what I said. You are welcome to believe any propaganda you feel like swallowing but here are the facts. The only way way to tell if someone had been exposed to HIV at that time was through an antibody test. There are at least 70 conditions that give a false positive response. Pregnancy is one of them. Tuberculosis is another. Both of these conditions are common across the African continent , not just South Africa. Fact number two; the drug that the international community was so anxious to shove down the throats of pregnant African women was AZT. AZT is so toxic that the FDA denied its use to terminally I’ll cancer patients. Yet it was okay to give to pregnant women based on faulty tests? The next time you feel like putting words in my mouth you might want to make sure you k is more about the subject than I do.

[@brinnd330]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@tibbar1000the standard of care by the year 2000 was nevirapine, which is given in a single dose to both the mother and child and this was part of TAC’s lawsuit against Mbeki’s government. AZT was developed as a cancer drug but did not work for cancer. So yeah, it was never approved as a cancer drug. It does, however, treat HIV and is still in use to this day. The original doses it was used in turned out to be too high which caused the toxic side effects. This is not unique to AZT; lots of things can cause side effects in very high doses. No medical intervention is ever going to be 100% safe so you have to way the risks and benefits. On one hand, you have some risk of toxicity to the mother and child. On the other, you have a 30% chance of transmitting to your baby a virus that causes AIDS, which is 99% fatal. So close to a 1 in 3 chance of watching your baby suffer horribly bc you can’t get access to ARVs for them.

[@nthabix]

​@@brinnd330thank you

[@Thatsong-fr9nq]

​@@brinnd330 read other views. You are relying on one source. Asymptomic people are not sick,why treat them?

[@mkhuselimazungula6345]

😅Jesus. Thabo Mbeki got so many people killed. Holy hell. And he still had the audacity to say this.

[@somekindofdog1140]

I have no words. How does this man lead a country? Does he understand what scientists are? Experts? Do you ask the watermelon seller on your street to fix your car brakes? The baker will install electrical wires in your home?

[@Mozambique2407]

Answer me some questions will you ....? * How antibody is a test for virus ? * If HIV infect and replicate in body which cell diagnose has found hiv other then blood ? Atleast if its there then they should be in any cell replicating if yes where is the research documents ? * P24 protien is antigen for virus why it drops after 2-3 months infection ? It should increase isn't it ... * Why no standardisation of test ? * How long will it take to develop AIDS ? Where is the documents ? * CD4 and t -cell increase after infection and drops when infection is gone so how it shows that HIV is there alcohol also decreases it 😅😅😅😅. * RT PCR test is searching for HIV virus doesn't authorised by any body ... you can listen to Dr Mullis on this ,why ? Beacuse he got noble prize for inventing the same test 😅😅😅😅. When Test are so inaccurate how you know that there is virus in body ? Now comes to AIDS (specifically Acquired Immuno Deficiency sendrome ) Reasons : Malnutrition, Drugs use , Radiation and Chemotherapy ... Well AZT or Zivoduine is a drug invented for cancer treatment chemotherapy 😅😅😅 Well go for AZT is going for AIDS 100% . HIV is not a disease but AIDs is .. HIV test are not accurate but AZT causes AIDS is . I hope it will answer your ignorance ...... What is going on is because of HIV no body is treating any treatable diseases ..... Only people benefitting are big pharma and so called HIV research organisation 😅😅😅😅 (why so called because if you do not believe in HIV/AIDS your reasearch funding will be cut short to zero..... There were many great minds who advocated that a virus whome we can not even diagnose how it is responsible for AIDS ....because we know AIDS .... but not virus ... we can deal AIDS but don't know about virus .....😅😅😅

[@sefutho]

African what 🤔?

[@slizzardshroomer9666]

Lol, are the science deniers in the comments. Pure narcissism.

[@amandastander.7635]

Our country needs a president with a doctor's diploma, not with a garden complex. 🫡🤣🤣😂😂 Thabo Mbeki: for South Africa president! 🫡♥👍

[@stevenberryhill9209]

Courage

[@jmourinio8512]

People were dying under his rule wether u argue or not you ddnt provide people with ARV u and yr health minister.zuma came and made them available. So stop explaining because daughters & sons were left fatherless and motherless. Your explanation doesn’t make sense what dd u do about the syndrome u keep mentioning.

[@Belinda.]

Maby we could have this man as our president. If he was our president during covid he would have taught us to boost our immune system

[@kgotsothapelo2830]

His speech is so loud and clear but the Europeans will be unpleasant because ARVs business will fall. Remember Africa is the biggest market of ARVs

[@dawoudal-arabiybik3747]

That si true

[@brinnd330]

Look at the life expectancy charts for African countries before and after the introduction of ARVs and get back to me

[@amahlegwanana96]

Thabo i used to love you, but aii uzikhuphile kum. I mean there are people who are experts on that field, ARVs played and still do play a huge role in keeping people alive. So sir i am against your stance of delaying ARVs, you may sit down tata and allow fresh minds to lead. Anyway God revealed you by making you to mistakenly say the acronym(AIDS) stands for "African...", and I was like yeah. Discussing what you got less knowledge of is problematic

[@yournightmare4987]

A syndrome is a group of symptoms which consistently occur together, or a condition characterized by a set of associated symptoms But i get his point and so Human immune virus does not exist? Mr "Among other things" 🤣🤣🤣

[@cphmdakhane0163]

Thanks to the profits.....let's stop this

[@mutshidzirambau4285]

This is a lawyer answer. The fact that people were dying should've taken precedence. It's absolute nonsense what he is saying, people died

[@elsadupreez4324]

Not nonsense

[@sibabaloruka4576]

Zirambau you still need to be woke you still close minded

[@mutshidzirambau4285]

@@sibabaloruka4576 yes

[@mpumelelomaquntulu7393]

Same sort of question they are no now busy with in as far as the covid 19 is concerned

[@docdynamix]

This old man has lost his mind a long time ago .

[@vaderntingashe9019]

👋

[@kelumo7981]

When did Mbeki "acquired" his medical degree?or physiology or biology....he's trying to be a smart ass...creating his entire argument based on the definition 😏

[@lwandlezondi9658]

Luckily for him,He was addressing Unisa students ,they clapped and rejoices.He will never spew such rubbish at Wits students, even UJ students would at least tell him He does sound ignorant.

[@IanVie]

I totally agree with you, he is talking shit

[@mawandla4222]

Lol you people are funny, I did my Political Studies at Wits, The guy may not be our favorite but he's making a lot of sense. You will not even get a chance to act stupid around this guy. If you can check the whole clip some lady tried that with him wohluleka.

[@lwandlezondi9658]

@@mawandla4222 ,Political studies,not surprised,remember Political studies whether at UJ,Unisa or Wits is the same,qualifies one to be interviewed by ENCa on ANC conferences,not to comment on microbiology subjects.Mbeki s should have stayed in his lane, maybe you too Comrade.lol

[@lwandlezondi9658]

@@IanVie ,not He is misinformed and ignorant on the issue He is discussing but He is not talking what you say He is talking,you are though.

[@sihlemondi6363]

Lwandle Zondi you need to offer an alternative view with regards toward he saying don't bash him for sake off it. Give us your qualified analysis.

[@christinevandermerwe5660]

I'm SICK of seeing this man's face. He is a has been trying to win favour!!!!

[@cebobiyela]

You an economist and not a medical doctor. You should not have entered the debate. What was required of you was to roll out anti retroviral medication for the masses. In this regard you failed dismally. You should have let doctors debate this. Hubris was your weakness.

[@sihlemondi6363]

He was an avid reader so he can understand most subjects presented to him. Our grannies were not medical doctors but they were to make some home made remedies to cure grand kids..

[@stlouisix3]

@@sihlemondi6363 exactly, only people who respect God can have wisdom☦✝☦

[@bonganimabena8919]

Thabo Mbeki you are the last person to criticise the government. You failed to bring ARV s in time where lives could have been saved. You opted for beetroot and garlic. You were told SA will need power supply. You refused to build more power stations in you presidency. Keep quite

[@mawandla4222]

The first ARV rollout was done by his administration, uthetha ngantoni Son?

[@bonganimabena8919]

@@mawandla4222 check your history. He was forced to do ARV after hundreds of people dying.

[@jacksonbonginkosikhohli7085]

@@bonganimabena8919 Make your research. Pls in west don't have HIV why when they get you will find that some have been cured. How did they get cured. Why companies that are producing ARVs are from West. Why in those companies there are ANC politicians who have small shares. And remember most of them they never bought those share were given for free. HIV was medical wopon that was aimed to depopulise blacks. But now is used as business. Ask yourself why America is so keen on funding NGOs. Remember in politics there is nothing for free. I used to work in those NGOs and I spoke to some of the doctors and they do agree with Mr Mbeki. The cure is there but they don't want to release it. Thabo Mbeki is correct if they can weeken the virus that means they can kill it or destroy it on the body and the person get cured. Ask yourself about ibolar and covid 19. Bill gate is not a medical doctor but people do listen to him when is making estimations about coming deases as he did about covid 19 in 2015 in the technology conference because he has money to fund top people in world to back him. At my home we had 2 people who got covid 19 first wave and third wave but we stayed with them they never quarantine and we never affected. They never went to hospital. We told them to the normal life as usual, they must take it as normal flue. My sister who got third wave is diabetes and she is using daily injections. So all and I want to say curing mind first while you busy fighting the virus in body is the best. But once the mind dies it will be easy for the body to die.

[@musamanqele6575]

@@bonganimabena8919 this guy was stubborn as a donkey. He had to be forcefully removed from office for Jacob Zuma to roll out ARVs. His just a devil this penis 👿😈👿🤡💩

[@stlouisix3]

It's non-existent -imaginary! You're a complete socialist and I prefer Mbeki over socialists like yourself.

[@muhammedk470]

His technically correct

[@DoRo_Lungani]

lol Manss doubling down

[@dzanakamfuphi3000]

😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 he must go get some tea and a nap..... he really doesn't know what is he talking about.........#old man

[@amanixxx0795]

Why are using laughing emojis? Are you really laughing

[@musamanqele6575]

His just spewing nonsense, people died because of this guy ignorance 💩🤡😈

[@taiwoidogbe436]

Thank you drewi1 for the herbal medicine you send to me I am totally cure from cancer ♋️

[@docdynamix]

you are talking rubbish

[@David-210]

You don't even know how to spell a sentence correctly, but you found the cure for cancer, or "cure from cancer" as you call it... You forgot to leave you're phone number so others can order it too, maybe even put the number in you're YT name, others do it too.

[@thulanipatrick515]

Mbeki you the first hate Mr Zuma for nothing

[@oralminyi9826]

A virus does cause a syndrome.

[@Moyopheus]

He still doesn't understand.. . Shameful. Get a biology degree Thabo.

[@amanixxx0795]

Nc nc nc. You think education is everything!!! I pray you wake up one day. Peace

[@truth-Hurts375]

Bla bla bla....enough talking.

[@arvinbhana]

No fool like an old fool

[@thulanipatrick515]

Wena mbeki awubancedanga abantu ngama arvs wekelela south African ebhubha ukhona why mbeki why

[@stlouisix3]

I hope many of them were your family irrational members

[@payntngthatownred9141]

I think Mr Mbeki is persisting with his baseless intellectual arrogance. That debate is closed man. Pull another one. If HIV were a medical condition that merely led to a compromised immune system, 'opportunistic' disease would have been relatively easy to treat and contain. Besides, a 'disease of poverty' wouldn't have affected the rich. I'm not a medical doctor but I reckon there's a whole world of difference between a syndrome and malnutrition. The irony of it is that, some of us were actually poisoned by the Mbeki regime. Please, don't come with diversions here.

[@stlouisix3]

The meds were poisonous

[@stlouisix3]

How were you poisoned🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😄😄😂🤣🤣😄

[@payntngthatownred9141]

I think Mr Mbeki is persistenting with the sliding baseless intellectual arrogance. That debate is closed man. Pull another one. If HIV were a medical condition that merely led to a compromised immune system, 'opportunistic' diseases would have been relatively easy to treat and contain. Besides, a 'disease of poverty' wouldn't have affected the rich. I'm not a medical doctor but I reckon there's a whole world of difference between a syndrome and malnutrition. The irony is that, some of us were actually poisoned bypass by the Mbeki regime. Please, don't come with diversions here. Mbongeni Khumalo

[@theshadysunshine]

Comprehension is lost on you.

[@jmwindu]

​@@theshadysunshinebut not as lost as Mbheki is in this video 😂

[@tmash509]

Let him go say that bollocks in front of medical students, he wouldn't finish the speech. he's talking pure rubbish

[@mvuyisimbanjwa4907]

This guy still has the audacity to open the old wounds that he and his government caused, what was he doing to mitigate the rapid rate at which people were dying then? Cause the state was not even giving such food to the people but only rhetorics just not to give the money to the department to roll out services to those affected and are on the data base at least as a start to encourage people to test and be registered even if it meant in numbers not their names.

[@sihlemondi6363]

You well you need go back and read the 3 00 page document prepared by his government as intervention for the disease, people were killed by medication then because it was too toxic for the body.

[@thabzmad7265]

You still missed the point, he is not denying the existence of the condition, he is merely stating his then government's planned approach to the treatment, an alternative for poor people, which was to encourage them to live healthy lifestyles and in supplementing their immune systems with known and commonly available immune system boosting foods. He thinking was way ahead his time, look how the majority of people were invested in alternative treatments and body armor from alternative supplements during covid19 to see why they choose that route, HIV treatment wasn't cheap back then!

[@musamanqele6575]

@@thabzmad7265 😈😡🤡🤡🤡💩💩💩

[@thabzmad7265]

@@musamanqele6575 same to you brother!

[@stlouisix3]

You're a socialist

[@tonigyn390]

Still pushing thru out the MASS MEDIA, congrats!