Fortnite is RUINING iPads!

[@Harry101UK]

My mum set a 20 minute limit on my KZbin app so I couldn't watch this whole video. Sorry lads.

[@ThatOneGuyThatsHere]

Rip their watch time...

[@vaderciya]

people who claim they can't watch longer videos are just lying to themselves and the rest of us. An hour is a good length video, 4 hours is long.

[@Ematt0614]

@@vaderciya an hour of uno is perfect!

[@Alex-ik8pr]

@@Ematt0614 it was such a great waste of my time :) haha

[@Batnano]

slow people not getting the joke

[@gregorywhatley9659]

I agree with trott here about time limiting for children. Children don't and struggle to learn self control but also agree with smith that it is the TV of today I don't think there's anything wrong with impulse control. If you're aware of it enough to realise you can use that to help with the impulses you struggle with, then why not? Because once you're used to being limited, you can remove it and then you'll probably have more self control

[@KappaDoge]

tbh i think it has the opposite effect. by having the time limit then removing, that wouldn't help self control, because once its removed the user has no feeling to stop when there isnt a little timer box telling them. people who wont use a timer have the ability to stop event when they Dont have to. people wh used timers will just be conditioned to use until they hit a timer.

[@brooza664]

It is the TV of today, and when I was a kid I want allowed to sit watching TV 24/7. There were more natural restrictions such as multiple pistols sharing one screen, physical location of screen etc. Nowadays everyone has their own screen wherever they go. Some kids are constantly staring at it even when walking down the street or at school.

[@RealDids]

Limiting how much kids can play on a console or a phone has been a thing in most households for several decades. There's nothing new (or wrong) about it, it's a perfectly valid way of making sure your kids do their homework etc. and slowly understand the value/importance of things in life.

[@ringreenwood]

The video game rule when I was kid was 'one hour on; half hour off.' After an hour, I'd pause my game, and go off for half an hour to read or play outside with my brother or do something creative (write, paint, etc.). Then it was back to Halo. No problem, and it got me to do other things.

[@P_80_]

Coming from a position of being a parent to two kids & listening to the lads, trott’s logic on the topic of smart devices & kids was spot on.

[@MozilloGames]

Chris Trott's comments about the effect on mentality with social media is very correct. The twitter mobile app's refresh is literally like pulling down on a slot machine. All those apps that have the pull down refresh is to emulate that gambling slot machine. ALSO, how come Alex Smith knows so many children so well? Should we be concerned?

[@MrThis0therguy]

This was awesome!!! Love these long deeper discussions you guys have during gameplay! Reminds me of Trials and Worms from back in the day!

[@Tardytime]

I’ll take anything long and deep that the boiks can give me...

[@CaptainWumbo]

It's amazing to me Smith doesn't see the utility of literally "a timer." It is completely flexible how you decide to use it and what you use it for. The ability to precisely allocate your time is very obviously useful, and as Trott is getting at, there'a a threshold beyond which you've lost track of time doing something with extremely diminishing returns. It's not a self control thing, you just get focused on what you're doing because it is captivating enough you aren't watching the clock. If you're actively checking the time every few minutes you probably are doing something you actively dislike, like listening to a crappy lecture or working a boring job.

[@EddThe19th]

Right so the thing I'd say here is that it's not that he doesn't understand the benefit, saying that is a horrible misunderstanding. The whole point of what his saying is you shouldn't need those things, you should as a functional human being be able too use your own determination and self control to easily do it, without having to lazily hand off to technology to do it with minimum mental effort from you. It's a comnonish stand point from those with pyscopathic tendencies, or other self empowered and self improvement driven mentalities, its very much one of those works for some not others way of seeing things, people have such varied ways of doing things and ways they are happy to apply themselves that it's definitely not universally right, and for many having technology do it for them is a good minimum stress easy way to time manage and free up mental vigor for doing the things they want, and generally will have a more constructive better time if it that way. However those of the self improvement driven mentalities will likely see it as a lesser or even weak decision or mentality, and well I wouldn't say they're wrong about that.

[@boringNW]

"is you shouldn't need those things" But that's casting a pretty wide blanket over every single person. Not everyone is Smith, and I imagine there are things Smith does that someone else would say they don't need.

[@ToxicDemonBunny]

I can relate to Smith in this, because I usually have the opposite problem. I can never get into anything, or do anything for more than a few minutes at a time. Like, when I want to watch a movie, I have to watch it in small 10 minute chunks, else I get insanely bored. Anyway, let's just say, self control is the least of my problems.

[@lightandtheshinigami]

I agree with trott, my brothers (twins) are 14 and they wake up an hour before school to play fortnite and then play fortnite for hours after school. They are in a TERRIBLE mood all the time. I think limiting kids with certain things is a good thing. Cause hours of fortnite frustration makes teenagers even meaner

[@casualgamerguy]

Impulse control is something people are better or worse at, i don't see how it would be inherently wrong to use apps to remind or try to break bad habits of time management. And on the point of kids i think parent's really should keep an eye on how much time their child spends on ipads and stuff. And to keep updated on how they use it as well. Are they just downloading crap apps and not doing anything productive or creative or are they actually building things, accomplishing tasks or doing anything productive? Sure, sitting and just doing brainless stuff is fine for a while but when they spend their whole day on it, i think a parent should step in and talk to them.

[@TheAussieLeo]

Cannot agree more! Smith should adopt a 10 year old for a week and he might gain a lot of knowledge and appreciation about dictator-like control vs parental steering.

[@casualgamerguy]

I wouldn't go that far, i think he has a point too. The mindset that games are just straight up bad are too common and parents not letting their kids play with friends because they don't understand them is also bad. It's all about spending time with your child and understanding their needs, not imposing what you personally think is right. Everyone is different so whats right changes from person to person!

[@TheAussieLeo]

Validly put sir.

[@PopeMical]

I actually like imposing self timers on app and things. It's not like I'm setting a hard limit because I can't stop myself, but it's a soft limit to help me keep track of time and focus without constantly checking the clock.

[@danielgilbert7728]

I completely see the point of app lock out times or reminders of how long you've being using an app because personally I have lost entire days glued to my phone and laptop and achieving nothing productive. I feel like time reminders basically allow you to make the conscious decision to continue using it by ignoring the reminder or do something else rather than completely losing track of time and realising that you've done nothing all day which can make you feel pretty shitty

[@AndrewGilbert-iz1zz]

When I was a youngster, I spent days to break the passcodes my parents put on my ipod and tv. I think Smith is right when you need something other then just your will to break away from the device, your losing that learning there, and just letting your phone or your reminder automate you. Rather than just straight up time restrictions you should teach children to moderate, and I love the irony in this since you boilks play video games for a living

[@sketchesofpayne]

How do you magically learn and teach 'moderation' without any kind of enforcement method? You just 'decide' to use moderation and then it's done? You just 'tell' your kids to use moderation and they do?

[@jackreid6412]

When I was a kid I wasn't allowed to play specific games, and always had to get off my game at specific times. Just to stop me constantly playing them all day

[@sglyph]

I actually find that I have the opposite problem with people using phones in my house. For example, I'll go downstairs and I'll find my parents both being on their phones, whilst having the television on.

[@NootNoot.]

same lol

[@chrism45]

Well that means the TV is boring.

[@E2O10]

Yeah, i work at a theatre and we sometimes have kids' shows on weekends etc. Just the weekend before last we had a show and a woman came out in the middle of the show with her child (i'm guessing about 3-5 years old) and they came down to the foyer to wait until the show ended (the woman's husband and other child were still watching) and for the next hour and 10 minutes the kid proceeded to run around the foyer screaming, climbing into places he shouldn't have. All the while the "mom" was just sitting on a bench with her phone an inch from her face and every few minutes she would just yell at the child to stop without even looking away from her phone.. And it was clear that this is a common occurence in their household. (i literally almost punched the kid just to make him cry so the mom would pay more attention to her own child - of course i didn't). Parents are worse than children imo, since parents are usually adults that should have better things to do in their life other than constantly being on a device. Sorry, rant over xD

[@livid_spider]

I think tv and Netflix are just like white noise to make people feel like there’s stuff going on around there house

[@E2O10]

Theman, agreed, like the radio was/is for the generation of our grandparents.

[@benjo562]

Smith - "I'm concerned about the idea of controlling the access kids have to something." Kids are dumb. They need controls.

[@baxterclagmoar9333]

I was literally just watching a hat films golf it video from a year ago and then this popped up! What are the bloody chances!?

[@baxterclagmoar9333]

You guys even said in that previous video how golf with friends is way better! I'd have to agree

[@loyaldrone7365]

Good thing I don't have a problem with spending too much time on apps I just need one more yogscast video and maybe also I need to rewatch hatfilms uno and while I'm at it rewatch uno the movie

[@awesomeaartvark]

Eh, I'm not sure I can add a lot to the conversation, considering I'm not a parent, but I would imagine limiting the time some kids spend on an app would be a way to teach self-control. I was good at listening to directions as a kid, but I definitely didn't have any self-control. Still don't really, lol, so I could see how app limitations, mixed with a few conversations about why spending time on a screen all day isn't healthy, could have been helpful. But I do think it does work best with something to "replace" the screen, or you know, something to do instead, like eating at the dinner table, or going to an event, or drawing or something. Otherwise just saying "hey stop being on the computer, now find something else to do" might not be terribly effective. But whatdo I know, lol

[@purplepenguin1614]

AwesomeAartvark I agree with this, I think limiting something with time, especially like a specific app or playing games on the computer isn't a bad idea as long as there's support with another option. like, when I was younger I was conditioned by my parents and given time limits and when to come off of things, but I normally rebelled as I had nothing else to do, so I'd come off of whatever I was doing and do nothing but kinda phase out a bit or sleep. so obviously it annoyed me and I didn't like it, but looking back as an adult and understanding things a bit more I can kind of understand why it happened, it just wasn't done in the right way (at least so I believe)

[@awesomeaartvark]

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking! I had some time limits as a kid as well, but they became pretty lenient over time, and I think it was mainly because I didn't have, and wasn't given, a whole lot to do. I think being encouraged to move onto another activity would have helped embed the idea that being on the computer wasn't the only way to be entertained and it also would have helped me get used to like, leaving the computer without feeling bored or upset. By the time I actually tried on my own to use those website limit extensions on Chrome in order to manage my time and study for classes, it was a bit too late, I hadn't built up that self-control, so it didn't really work. Having some more guidance with the time management aspect definitely would have helped a bit

[@RufusOmega]

Imposing time limits on a child isn't teaching them self-control, it's applying external control over them. Learning self-control would imply that the child has some choice in the matter, and is learning to make the correct decision on their own behalf. Having an app shut off after a given amount of time doesn't teach them any kind of discipline; they aren't choosing to stop playing and do something else, they are just unable to continue whether they want to or not.

[@awesomeaartvark]

RufusOmega I agree that only placing limits isn't teaching self-control, but I do think some limits have to be set at some point along with some encouragement or discussion about what is a healthy amount of screen time is. I had some limits, but they didn't stay terrible strict over time, so I ended up just kinda doing whatever. While I did and still do have other things I enjoy doing, I never really learned the self-control part very well, mainly because I was just kinda allowed to do whatever and I do think having some limitations with a bit of a push towards other, more social activities, would have been helpful to me personally. But I know it's different for everyone, and I'm also not a parent, so I don't really know lol. What do you think would help teach a child self-control?

[@RufusOmega]

AwesomeAartvark Having soft limits, i.e. an acceptable amount of time for doing something, is fine, but hard limits that physically remove a person's ability to do something really don't accomplish much as they don't teach responsibility or consequences. I think the best thing to do is give a child an amount of time that they are allowed to play a game, and then punish them for going over that time (within reason, of course). That way they are made to understand that it was their own actions that caused them to not be allowed to play games the next day because they didn't respect the limits placed on them.

[@sweatilaa5325]

Funny how Smith is so against teaching time management. For me, apps and such limiting time on other apps and such are not about controlling myself, a kid, or someone else but rather doing better time management since it is pretty easy to sink in an hours too many into a game or similar. Nothing wrong with a reminder, or being locked out of social media if you feel that you are a bit too addicted to it. There is always something that needs to be done around the house.

[@Fredy_The_Yeti]

I don't think that today's technology is comparable to the use of TVs back in the day. With a phone, you always have it on you and it contains things personal to yourself, TV did not have the attachment to people like cell phones do today.

[@xenophyte]

if it means getting you lads to a mil, i don't mind that cheeky fortnite in the title :]

[@OWChronicles]

Well yeah but nobody goes "Oh they clickbaited me, I'll subscribe!"

[@NotHarpoGroucho]

It's not even clickbait tho, they actually talk about abortnite

[@Alex-ik8pr]

I almost didn't click on it because of Fortnite in the title, if they said it was golf I'd be straight on here

[@1234mattp]

Fuck off

[@naqi_292]

Smith causing beef and Ross just sat in the middle of it is my favourite thing 😂😂

[@CntrazZombie4]

I read this on an article somewhere, and I'm not an authority, but that article said that the reason electronic devices negatively effect eyesight is that our eyes are staring at a flat surface that doesn't change distances for extended periods of time making our eyes lazier and overtime losing focus. It's not just phones/monitors/TVs/tablets that do this, books can also have the same effect but to a slightly lesser degree because of the angles the pages sit at as we hold them. Typically the middle of the book is further away from the edges you hold so your eyes do adjust to the minor changes in distance, but if you read enough for long enough at the same angle your eyes will degrade overtime.

[@RufusOmega]

There's no tangible evidence that looking at a screen for long periods of time has any long-term negative effect on your eyesight, it's just an old wives tale.

[@1818joe]

Did i get my hat :)

[@Xanthanarium]

I honestly find it crazy that you guys have made nigh daily videos for years but still learn things about each other all the time. Like how Trott has a Reddit problem while Smiffy doesn't.

[@giausername]

Growing up I watched youtube videos of games I couldn't afford, now that I'm older I still do that and also now have the games I once could not afford. I'm still in high school and sometimes I'd wish to spend less time on screens but I would not like to feel like I am being forced to stop doing what I have been doing but rather figure it out on my own though I am a teen and it's probably the classic "the more you try to stop me from doing this, the more I'll try to do it" type thing

[@PJBxx]

It's adorable that you think limiting screen time is only a thing now because we have more screens. I knew plenty of people who were limited to a certain amount of TV a day as a kid, this shit is not new.

[@JohnJohnson-jh5ih]

Read Matthew Walker’s ‘Why We Sleep’, or simply the chapter on the use of blue LEDs in tech, it gives one good example of potentially negative effects of long term app usage late on in the day

[@deathpyre]

Smith doesnt really understand that its very common for parents to limit and diversify kid's time. Even when it was just TV parents DID limit time, and they tell you when to go to bed. Its nothing new helping your kid to gorow up right. Either way, people using apps to limit themselves isnt some crazy thing, its dealing with an addiction you wouldnt think a plan or rehab is crazy

[@imjust_a]

Smith, I actually found myself thinking I was spending my entire day working on art commissions, only to realize that only 2 out of the 5 hours that passed was spent working. The rest of it was spent on KZbin, Twitter, etc. Yes, setting locks on things does accept you have an inability to manage time, but that's why assistance is needed to correct that problem. I downloaded a plugin for Chrome which actually will lock me out of blacklisted websites (that I set up) once my allotted time is up. It also functions as a reminder, like Ross and Trott argued for, by telling me I've spent x-amount of time avoiding my responsibilities, and reminding me to get back to it. It's bypassable, yes, but it's the reminder that really helps me stay on track. I will admit that it doesn't work for everyone, though! You *do* need to have a certain level of restraint to not bypass it, and to instead actually continue working.

[@RufusOmega]

Maybe you should learn some discipline instead of relying on a program to make the point moot by taking the choice away from you.

[@imjust_a]

How does one learn discipline without a helping hand? That's like saying a child will naturally learn discipline without any sort of correction from a parental figure. Not to mention, you're saying I'm taking away the choice to spend me time elsewhere, when in reality that's not the case. I allot myself 45 minutes per-week-day for leisure from 12 PM - 11 PM. Some days, yes, I use that up, however there are other days in which I will have 5-10 minutes remaining. In the former situation, yes, it's simply taking a choice away (although, truthfully I could just use a different browser to bypass it), however the latter situation shows restraint: I had more time I could've spent watching youtube, browsing twitter, reddit, etc, but I restrained myself from doing so and kept focusing on my work.

[@sketchesofpayne]

RufusOmega Yeah, let me just sit here and learn some fucking discipline. Where the fuck do you think that comes from? The CHOICE is to use an aid to help manage one's time. The SELF DISCIPLINE is choosing to use such an aid. You don't become a paragon of self-control just by willing it to be so.

[@Inceyb]

I imagine that this argument of limiting things for kids is fairly biased towards however you were brought up yourself. My parents never limited my free time and I agree with Smith. I had friends who's parents limited these things and tried to get them to take up "healthier" hobbies. It just breeds resentment and leads to feasting on said forbidden activity when they got older. Same thing for alcohol when we were adolescents, my friends whose parents were open about letting them try it and understood it was par for the course at that age never had any problems. But the ones who were extremely policed often as an act of rebellion drank way too much whenever they could.

[@michaelmagliaro3463]

Thanks I thought I was the only one

[@sketchesofpayne]

Your parents probably never limited you because you showed you could handle it. Some of these other parents have probably seen their kid do nothing but one activity for a week straight and decided their kid wasn't capable of self-discipline in regards to such activities.

[@simmerke1111]

I don't think an arbitrary time limit should be in place for kids. If your kid sits infront of the TV every day, perhaps there's a lack of other things to do. I was fortunate enough to have a garden, a quite street with other kids around. But if you raise a child in a city or a apartment, make sure there is something else before limiting them. What do you expect a child to do, play monopoly with himself?

[@simmerke1111]

To be fair, Lego is very expensive. But yeah, could be an alternative.

[@sketchesofpayne]

Simon More expensive than an iPad?

[@samc3926]

I love this so much. unedited like the good ol days. even tho content is still unreal

[@tinglydingle]

The problem with kids is that they are awful at time management. Adults are pretty bad, but I went to work the other day and came back to find that my girlfriend's kid literally hadn't moved from in front of the xbox since I'd left at 8AM, nine hours earlier. Then he asked when lunch would be ready. I was the same when I was a kid, I'd play Runescape for hours and hours without realising, so I get it, games are absorbing, but just like cocaine, adults should teach kids to game in moderation.

[@hal40k]

But is technologically enforcing a timer *teaching* them?

[@boyo971]

appreciate craig's editing but i'd like to see more videos like this xx

[@lukemoppy]

I'm not bored of Fortnite, I never liked it to begin with.

[@Baleur]

Yeah i just cant get into that game-mindset of being able to build stairs and walls in 0.2 seconds. I just dont like that kinda shit, i want stuff to take time to build. Am i weird?

[@34thedoctor]

I have a niece who is around and she is constantly glued to a tablet they give her. I noticed as soon as they started using that to get her to calm down she played with toys less and interacted with things less. I imagine that over time a child would only play with phones and tablets. The internet is great but you need to be well rounded as an individual and go outside and stuff. A timer or app that turns off certain apps over time will allow a child to get used to doing other things.

[@34thedoctor]

*around 2

[@awesomeaartvark]

Also, the layout looks very nice! I wouldn't have known it was "live" if you guys hadn't said anything! Glad you decided to still make a video for today, and a podcasty one at that, you're too kind, haha

[@Moogulz]

I feel like this is a similar discussion to when ever I would watch an E-Sport game and my dad wouldn't understand why it was entertaining to me, but then he would go watch some football (American). They're both the same thing, both live streams, both have "professional" players, both are games, both have commentators, and both have viewers. Same thing, just different games.

[@ButzPunk]

I can see where it's coming from, but Smith's argument against time-limiting apps is flawed. The fact that it's possible for parents to misuse time limits on apps is not a valid argument against the existence of such a system. The same line of reasoning is how we get the very draconian regulations which Smith hates: "X exists (e.g. porn, violent videogames, etc.), X is bad for kids, kids could get access to X, therefore we should ban X." There's an established link between "screen time" and sleep disturbance/disorder, both as a result of kids staying up too late on social media, and pathology of the circadian cycle due to exposure to bright screens at night (among other factors). These sleep problems are known to have knock-on effects in other areas of life (e.g. poor performance at school due to fatigue), and serious health implications (e.g. development of metabolic disorders-obesity, diabetes, etc.-and cardiovascular pathology). In the case of children and adolescents, these issues are particularly problematic, as they can cause (or exacerbate) developmental problems (both physiological and psychiatric). Kids also aren't well-equipped to self-regulate, as their prefrontal cortices are not yet fully developed (and won't be until their mid-to-late 20s), negatively affecting inhibitory control. One of the duties of parents (and other adult carers/guardians) is to help children regulate their behaviours, because they don't yet have the ability to do so themselves. In my opinion, this should certainly include limiting "screen time" where necessary. (Though, of course, this regulation shouldn't be excessively strict, as that can lead to reduced social competence, and decreased happiness, potentially continuing well into adulthood.) And yes, I'm aware that I've taken Smith's opinions way too seriously and put way too much effort into this comment, but I hope someone at least finds it mildly interesting. EDIT: Also, all the things about "screen time" apply just as much to TV as they do to tablets, PCs, etc. I don't know where Smith is getting the idea that people ever thought kids spending hours watching TV is fine.

[@Jkobe2345]

Yeah I think he was just thinking too much about his specific childhood experiences and not seeing it from any other point of view. I don't know why he couldn't but oh well.

[@SweetSoundP0N3]

These deep conversations are completely unlike any other gaming KZbinr or streamer that I've seen. I'm glad I've stayed with you guys these last 5 years. Gonna try and get me a hat soon so I can show y'all my appreciation.

[@sketchesofpayne]

I mean, the topics are deep but the Hat Lads aren't informed enough about the subject matter to have a conversation of any real substance about them. They just go off of basic intuition and half-remembered facts and reddit posts they saw that one time.

[@SuperiorConcept]

Keep it up guys. Love these podcast style gameplays

[@SteelZombie505]

Is my hat still there?

[@johnroyal4520]

Why not just tell your kid to stop. If they don't then they lose the privilege of using that device. Also allows for a proper conversion such as simply saying "come off when you've finished that game." Instead of just having it auto shut off. I remember from when I was younger that's what would happen or my parents would say " can you come off when you can save please"

[@uncletomcobley6950]

John royal discipline is a dirty word for 99% or the rejects with kids these days.

[@RufusOmega]

srk.ares That says more about your lack of respect for your parents than anything else.

[@RufusOmega]

srk.ares It doesn't matter what you thought of the rules; those were the rules set by your parent, in your best interests. The fact that you repeatedly broke those rules, knowing full well that you were doing wrong, only says to me that you didn't respect the parent, or, at the very least, that parent's authority.

[@lewis6590]

Smith's contradicting his own point. If it's good to use technology that makes us better at something, why is it wrong to use it to make us better at impulse control?

[@Red-gb9ty]

Smith generalizing everything by using one example. Love it.

[@boringNW]

"But my one friends mom once...."

[@TheAussieLeo]

My friends mom once crashed her car into her own fence, does that mean that all moms crash their cars into fences all the time?

[@MrSupful]

I just started using a time tracking app last week. It's been beneficial so far, seeing an aggregate of time that I've spent on KZbin and Reddit verses things I need to do/should do, and it's been motivating me to spend more time doing the productive things so I feel less like scum.

[@TheDexecutioner]

Growing up I would always be given a time limit and if I wasn’t off the PlayStation they’d just pull the plug and I’d lose all my progress. 16 years later I still binge games for long periods of time but the idea of losing progress/restarting something causes a sort of panic in me. It isn’t a phobia and it isn’t quite disgust but yeah, even watching the same film twice in a row makes me uncomfortable because of this weird reaction to losing progress.

[@themig292003]

17:44 True, We had this thing called parenting and raising a child. Rather than just having a child.

[@EmmanuelFast]

I love the subtle "every hole is a goal" at 17:30

[@brandonmatthews9420]

The difference between TV and iPads is its really easy for parents to see what content is being viewed on a TV, a kid can take an iPad into their room and watch whatever they want and play games until as late as they want. Having software limits its an easy way to make sure they aren't being irresponsible until they can learn to control their usage themselves.

[@Phagocytosis]

8:56 Smith failing to learn the effects of gravity... :D

[@nobodyshekatonchires]

Kids are allowed to like fortnite and I'm okay with that. It's just when they start getting serious about it like it's their lifeline is when they ruin the game

[@AhkoRC]

But that's not really different from the kids over years ago, hoping to sink their lives away into a minecraft server, keeping up on WoW or grinding on Runescape. It's the same problem with a different coat of paint.

[@nobodyshekatonchires]

@@AhkoRC that is exactly true, it just gets spread more with social media and gets worse until the point of nobody playing it and a new item comes along

[@MelodicOak]

As someone who grew up with an hour of game-time a day, I completely agree with Smith on his argument against this being a thing children need to be put through. If you really want to have an impact on how your children are spending their time, maybe get involved in their interests and genuinely care about them, rather than putting an arbitrary time-lock on their devices or apps. (Also, and this is coming from a longtime fan of Hatfilms, is anyone concerned about the fact that the only people getting their comments liked by Hat Films are those that have "Joined" the channel? What about your viewers that have been here from the beginning? Or have donated thousands of dollars to you during your Twitch streams? Or how about liking comments based on their validity, or the inherent value of their content?)

[@sqweeps6360]

I really enjoy these conversations. They’re polarizing enough for me to form opinions but not to the point where I’m raging.

[@sqweeps6360]

Also don’t upgrade your iPhone X to iOS 12

[@gavindanaher5430]

I like how when Smith disagrees with something he listens to the point and then allows himself to agree if the point is valid its a good quality some ppl stubbornnn

[@chrismacinnes4761]

I love the discussions in recent videos boiks

[@johnchataway9831]

I agree with Trott, we have way less time than we think and anything that can help us minimise pointless activities (time sinks) I'm all for. How many people actually feel good after realising they've spent 30 minutes trawling through facebook feeds when they could have been playing a game or something. Scary thing is how easy it is to do.

[@johnchataway9831]

Also, I've been working with children for 8 years and they definitely need assistance regulating their time on activities to increase overall development.

[@DrKawayro]

I'm loving the new content lately; being able to focus on what you bois want rather than winning against youtube's algorithm is a wise decision!

[@dermonater1]

Obviously one of these main reason Fortnite is so popular is because it was free. However this has happened before for instance with Rocket League. I played SARPBC since 2008 and knew the game was amazing yet it had no backing, yet after releasing pretty much the exact same game on next gen for free, it blew up and now look at it. Fortnite took the same route and allows people to play their game for free, making money only from people who choose to buy cosmetics. They also continue to improve the game constantly and listen to their players when fixing the game. I think they put gaming developers to shame

[@Ethan-tn4jc]

I think the biggest issue with parents restricting the time their kids spend playing video games, for example, it robs the child of learning moderation for themselves (as smiffy breifly suggested). A major consequence of this is that when the child gets more freedom they don't know how to limit themselves; this becomes a problem when that freedom doesn't come until that child grows into an adult and moves out and becomes responsible for themselves.

[@lavamonsta86]

Smith is so angry AND wrong that it made me angry

[@gregorywhatley9659]

Golf with your friends is a fantastic game You guys should try out the "shapes random each" setting, with jumps, and collision enabled, it could add even more humour to the video It's my favourite setting to play with my friends

[@liammylchreest3506]

Gregory Whatley they’ve done that in a previous video

[@thedragonflytapes5727]

They've played a lot of golf with your friends over the past 2 years so they've tried pretty much everything

[@gregorywhatley9659]

True, but like you've said, it was ages ago. Could be fun to see it again

[@sirBrouwer]

how do you play a game with a tv series?

[@SetToThrill-STT]

Ill never get bored of you three

[@LoG_Online]

man this video was awesome felt like the podcasts you used to do

[@liamhudderrr2501]

For me personally I've had an ongoing struggle between my parents and I with video games. I've gotten quite a high rank on csgo, and I like to play on discord with my friends in tournaments etc. However, I'm 16 and my parents don't let me play during weekdays and only allow it on weekends for 2-4 hours on friday and 2-4 on sunday. I dont like playing that long but I need to catch up on practice to stay consistent in games. (Also they basically allow any amount of tv/youtube but have this random hate for video games even though its more social) it sucks but if anything its taught me that when I have kids I'll need to listen to their needs and find a way to compromise rather than having spiratic, unexplainable rules

[@eirikurhafr]

Me and my brothers were only allowed to play video-games on Fridays while we were young and now we are all working in game development. Funny how things turn out

[@samcavanagh7993]

I wish smith would realize that TV is different than social media

[@danielfeagin3846]

I love our regular visits from Libertarian Smith, love them all to bits

[@justariddle8255]

You say this and it is midnight and I am “doing” my “homework”

[@nikeeweston]

Oh godddddddddddd smith is like my brother, you just can’t win. I used to play my PS1 and when 2 came out then 3 I would play until my mum was home then she would want the tv so then it was off. I had my PlayStations in lounge when I was young then my 3 and 4 went in my room. Now I have my own place and 4 is in my room with a huge tv. Kids do grow up quicker... life is faster. And yes trott too much social media makes me depressed. So on holiday I don’t even look, it’s wonderful.

[@Fff99901]

Which schools has Smith been sneaking into that have scrapped homework??? Pretty sure that's not the case in the majority of schools in Britain.

[@chrism45]

It might be Nordic countries for now. I'm not sure most kids do homework still, I never did. Systematic tests might work better.

[@nobodyshekatonchires]

I'd love to go wherever Smith is talking about, mine believe it's rlly important

[@sirBrouwer]

i did have homework but i mostly had it all done before going home from school so that could be the case. It also gave me the benefit of having a teacher there if i didn't understand something or was looking at it in a wrong light.

[@nobodyshekatonchires]

@@sirBrouwer in your case, homework isn't bad. It's okay if it's for extra help tbh. But there are some teachers who just don't help with it, and don't have real reason for it.

[@E2O10]

Well, the reasoning behind homework was to get kids interested in different subjects. Since most kids think of going to school as a chore and sitting in class as torture, therefore it's beneficial for them to do homework assignments where they figure things out themselves and do their own research instead of memorizing all books ever made - it might make them more interested in certain subjects. Learning shouldn't be viewed as a chore.

[@freyaandthefairys]

When I was growing up my friends mum would come in and turn his computer off when she thought we had been using it for too long, this was usually after 45 mins and 90% of the time we had just been sitting staring at the screen waiting for sims to load. On the other hand my mum was like Smith, and never really limited anything (mostly cause she was a push over though). At my job I see so many kids in for a meal with family, glued to their screens and I feel like it is a parents job to teach them that it’s bad manners and they should be present at the table. But saying this it is the parents job to include them and speak to them and encourage conversation to make the child feel like they are listened to. And usually parents and adults are worse for being on their phones and never fully present. On the whole I feel like we should be limiting our use of portable tech like phones and iPads because 70% of the things I use it for is to waist time and kill boredom or to avoid speaking to people in real life, and I can bet that everyone does the same even if we don’t want to admit it. Soz spiel over x

[@ruthlessroguegaming9495]

I liked this, it's like Hat Chat where everyone's favorite Hats talk about the problems of today.

[@saladdodger4722]

I don't like playing Fortnite but I completely see the appeal, I hate all the cringey shit that is associated with it though like people doing the dances and teachers and TV personalities grasping at anything Fortnite to seem 'cool'.

[@Happynuke]

3:48 6 years later and Smiffy's actually been playing Fortnite, presumably with a gun to his head.

[@gregorywhatley9659]

The best Battle Royal game is TABG (totally accurate battlegrounds) because it's fun, there's actually a skill curve for using its glitchyness to your advantage, the games are short enough you can play it for just 10 mins or for as long as you like, and the game's so damn goofy it's impossible to not have fun on it even if you're losing every game. *Especially* if you're playing with friends. It's just a shame the game's no where near as active anymore

[@canyoncabrera5215]

Smith’s argument about Trott using the lockout feature is like telling an alcoholic not to use an AA meeting to get sober

[@jamespark3510]

sTILL waiting for the fishing trip with sips my dudes LOL i neeeeeeeedddd itttttt haha, we would fund it come on! I need that sweet sweet vlog to watch over and over

[@MrEphiras]

Love this :) can you do more podcasty things i can listen to whilst I work

[@richyjjsmith]

If it could make your children end up different to smith, then it's probably the right choice for a parent to take.

[@mitchellcrispi3472]

Oh dear god. Smith at 11:45 doing the same stroke up that hill and missing every time made me want to drink boiling water.

[@elizanix]

I feel like locking my phone, or whatnot would work well for me for a day or two. I have times where I'm checking facebook/twitter on my phone, sitting in front of my computer that has facebook/twitter open. Its awful, and when I catch myself doing it I walk away from both; but it still happens all the time

[@rhysbraxton-jones1549]

i have a family friend who is going into year 7 now so hes about 11- 12 and hes is pretty concertised this is due to having friends who are older than him and an older brother, he knows quite a bit more than i would have but i guess that's the generation now

[@rob9961]

I love this format, lads

[@robbiemarlow5376]

I actually love these vids when u just chat

[@xtrasquish]

My parents used to cut off the internet every night at 10pm so we would go to bed. All that would happen is we would play single player games instead and then the internet company thought our connection was fucked so they reduced our speed...

[@KingBling37]

Listening to Smith argue about limiting online time and setting reminders for about 20 minutes is so enjoyable...

[@samuelehret-pickettfrankli6193]

I knew where the game chap and Bertie comment was going. I literally was looking into it again the other day as I'd forgot what had happened to them

[@OceanNoodles_]

I really enjoyed this video. It's like the GTA playlist videos which are essentially just podcasts with some gameplay for visual stimulation.

[@gregorywhatley9659]

Can we rename the episode "Trott and Smith argue"

[@vagueorigin7320]

Smith's Hair line ruins the video also

[@NotHarpoGroucho]

Whilst Ross occasionally says a couple words about the game

[@SeriousKarol]

except smith had no arguments, just "i don't think...".

[@sketchesofpayne]

SeriousKarol Smith thinks everyone should live by his personal paradigm and doesn't agree with anything that falls outside of it. He also needs to learn that he is just as emotionally driven as everyone else and isn't the bastion of rationality he thinks he is.

[@gregorywhatley9659]

sketchesofpayne That's fair enough, but at the same time, I think Smith likes a good argument and always likes to play devil's advocate too And he definitely did bring up a few good points, but yeah he can be pretty headstrong

[@JoeSmith-pp6uy]

I loved trials

[@unorthodoxbox]

I agree with Trott but I also think it has to do with the state some apps are designed these days to keep you on them. I recall my friends younger brother (he was five at the time and this was 2013) played a game on his mothers iPad and he was very invested in it so much so he unknowingly charged his mothers account over £100 in ingame cash. Now I can imagine if they'd had the timer feature in newer iPads she'd put it on because she saw how much he played it and how she wanted him to do more than just sit there.

[@sketchesofpayne]

So true. A lot of mobile apps and games are downright predatory to their userbase.

[@FiaraGC]

I feel like Trott using a timer of some sort for technology use, and Smiths argument of it being impulse control is off. In our minds, some of us may not have much impulse control. I have quite a bit of issues with that, specifically with buying chocolate or things that have Nightmare Before Christmas on them. I don't think there's anything wrong with having something to help you with things like that. If I had the money I would probably hire someone to zap me with some electricity to keep me from grabbing another cigarette or buying things I don't need. Trott's just using a tool that's given to him to help monitor his life, or for time management.

[@sketchesofpayne]

The free will aspect is CHOOSING to use an aid to help you to do or not do the things you want. Apparently Smith thinks that the mere act of using such an aid is a failure in self control.

[@slackerja-hat2935]

Blackout sounds better for streams than vids

[@tommarshall7016]

While in high school, a lot of homework was just useless. But homework for math/ logic based subjects, such as maths, computing and physics, was really helpful as it was much involved that just reading something. I think homework just needs changing to be more interactive for the students. My sister, who is currently in high school ,has to watch videos and make notes on math topics like pythag, which in my opinion is stupid as this should lie to the teachers to teach this.

[@RufusOmega]

I feel that you would have benefited if your school had put more emphasis on teaching English.

[@tommarshall7016]

@@RufusOmega you say that, but my school was crap at teaching english, especially as it was just analysing Shakespeare or peoms. But nice job on your funny little comment. 10/10

[@sketchesofpayne]

Tom Marshall No, seriously dude. Proofread your shit. If that doesn't help then it's time for some remedial lessons.

[@shmanielshmlane2359]

I do miss these kinds of free wheelin and dealin vids

[@ethanhess8230]

You know it’s probably also targeted at people who can’t just automatically tell whenever they have been doing something for a specific amount of time

[@sketchesofpayne]

Well Smith seems to think everyone should just choose to naturally have a good internal sense of time and innate self control. Using something to help you with that obviously means you are failing at self control, going by his logic.

[@fsfaith]

Technology isn't making you unhealthy. Society is. You don't have to care what everyone else in the world thinks about you. But everyone is still compelled to tell the world almost everything about their lives. People need to be taught that you should care about how you feel about yourself and how you can be productive in life. Not how people think about you and what you can do to make people like you more.

[@fsfaith]

Damn. Glad to you're still here with us. Hope you've learnt your lesson though lol. I agree addiction is also an issue and companies making games that are specifically targeting that part of the human psyche.

[@RufusOmega]

srk.ares That wasn't the technology, that was your own lack of restraint. If you don't have the sense to get up and move about every few hours then that's on you. Surely you had to pee at some point? That's a perfect opportunity to have a couple of minutes walking around right there.