Foucault/Deleuze: what happened?

[@弋洋孙]

I am just reading the fold and the last chapter of foucault recently and see this video. The way deleuze revisits foucault and this whole idea of the inside vs. the outside and the folds are just astonishing and genius. I have felt an urgency that the american academic circle, which has been adversely or even toxicly influenced by early foucault, should revitalize late deleuze.

[@deleuzephilosophy]

True, making subjectivation the "differential" of power and knowledge is quite genius, especially with such rigour. But I don't know if young Foucault was toxic, so much as provocative and still in search. We can only dream of what he may have said about these intensive relations between visibilities and utterances. Perhaps he was the object of hasty interpretations that had a scientific or scientistic form, rather than a properly metaphysical one. Deleuze and Guattari develop this opposition at length in "What is philosophy?", incidentally--it could be related. You're totally right that late Deleuze needs to be revitalised.

[@弋洋孙]

Oh great, I did not read what is philosophy yet, that may be my next step. You are totally correct about the interpretation stuff, and i believe my biased understanding toward foucault is largely due to the bad impressions of english-speaking sociologists, who are always trying to make foucault realistic, scientific and appropriable, which did not always seem justifiable. I am a first year anthropology undergraduate, the reason i choose this as my major is that anthropology is totally philosophy-based (i mean modern anthropology) and qualitative. The prevailing quantitative methodologies and the scientific tendencies in social sciences are largely overrated. Virtually every subject except continental philosophy and anthropology, are already dominated by numbers.@@deleuzephilosophy

[@VioletDeliriums]

Please explain this "toxicity." How did you come to this understanding of American use of Foucault? Can you provide some examples and reasoning? Who are the specific people in this vast undifferentiated corps of people you refer to as the "American academic circle?" What exactly are the ideas that you for some reason do not like? Why is it a binary one or the other for you? (Why not both?)

[@2Luke100]

2:45 Fanged Noumena stealthily edited into the picture

[@uteligger857]

i didn’t even notice lmao

[@kylerodd2342]

Fantastic video, as always. I love every single video you’ve done. Very inspiring as well. Keep it up.

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thanks a ton Kyle, will do!

[@jonasdornelles7094]

Your channel and content is always the best. Thanks for sharing your researches and putting all this information together!

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Hey Jonas, long time no see! Thanks mate, it's my pleasure. I appreciate your watching this content!

[@ottolehto]

Well-made and informative video! Congratulations. Currently reading Difference and Repetition and Discipline and Punish and fascinated by the unities and differences.

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thanks a lot, glad you liked it! These two must be quite interesting to read in tandem, it could provide some insight as to what Deleuze felt when reading Foucault (or reversely)

[@sirilandgren]

Your way of reading makes the meaning clear and give the material a human warmth. Rare and valuable qualities!

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thank you very much, that is a very kind thing to say! I really appreciate it :)

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

one of the best videos i have seen. anyway, regarding the quotes in it, can you provide me the full bibliography? loved it.

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thank you, appreciate it! So the quote by Dosse are from his 2010 [2007] book called "Intersecting lives" (Columbia University Press, I think it's the only edition). The quotes by Michel Foucault are from "The will to knowledge" (1978 [1976]) by Random House (First American Edition), the other quotes are from the standard editions of "Desert Islands" and "Two Regimes of Madness" by Deleuze. Hope this helps!

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

@@deleuzephilosophy Terrific! i'll look forward to reading what I haven't already, and make sure to share the video with everybody I know. Keep up the great work!

[@deleuzephilosophy]

@@francescocerasuolo4064 That'd be fantastic, thanks a lot!

[@Misko.filipovic]

Awesome video from an underrated channel,could you maybe make a video about the rivalry of Baudrillard against both Foucalt and Deleuze?

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! Baudrillard is not on the planning for the immediate future but thank you for the request, it is duly noted!

[@ryderhobbs2529]

Incredible video!! Thank you so much

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thank you, really glad you liked it!

[@0104Ruben]

This was great. Thank you

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@hristo_kostov.darthmrr]

Both were human treasures ❤

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Very true

[@Knight766]

Hardly. Foucault was a confirmed paedophile. Look it up

[@addammadd]

Michel Foucault has been credibly alleged to be a child rapist and is on record supporting legislation enabling pedophilia. We are lucky to have foucault’s theories, but as a human, he was not a treasure.

[@gilsimhon9251]

briliant images like easter eggs - the 2 thinkers from theoreticalpuppets and the bacon work thanks for all the great uploads and this gem especially

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thank you for watching, appreciate the kind word!

[@gilsimhon9251]

@deleuzephilosophy I've watched the entire difference and repetition series, loved it, view changed was in a bad place, will watch again thanks for this amazing channel

[@deleuzephilosophy]

@@gilsimhon9251 You're welcome, thanks for all the watching mate!

[@douglaspackard3515]

Incredible video, thank you

[@deleuzephilosophy]

You're welcome, thanks for watching!

[@lochinunnerbux6144]

Great video!

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thanks a lot mate, glad you liked it!

[@DeadEndFrog]

can you make a video on french petitions against age of consent laws? It might be related to this issue on a deeper level

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Actually I was thinking about making a video on Jordan Peterson's ridiculous slander of Foucault, which is disappointing coming from a guy who says he supports truth and integrity. So maybe I'll mention this petition as well.

[@DeadEndFrog]

@@deleuzephilosophy Great!

[@questioningheart]

Thank you... this was really exceptional video

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thanks for watching, glad you liked this video!

[@IZMR-n4o]

great video, thank you! both Deleuze and Foucault are amazing thinkers.

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Totally agree, they are indeed!

[@redstatesaint]

Hi. Great video. As to your speculation on why Foucault stopped speaking with Deleuze: it does make sense. And perhaps if they'd spoken with each other directly, things might've been better between them while Foucault was still alive. Just wanted to clarify something: Deleuze's way out of Focault's paradox is basically to embrace the virtual, right? Because I always thought that while Focault did explore the "virtual" in a certain sense (thru genealogy and all) he could never really bring the concept to its full libertarian potential.

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Very interesting point, I think Foucault develops a concept called "hétérotopie" (sort of against "utopias"), which involves virtuality in a sense similar to Deleuze. I'm not familiar enough with his works to tell you more about it unfortunately.

[@julesborrel]

amazing video

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Thanks a lot!

[@michaellaviolette8468]

I keep noticing on job applications when asked if someone wants to go to college... the three choices being yes, maybe, and never. It is an odd/suspected programmed choice. Good advice includes "never say never". I have noticed once I started "thinking before I speak" and began to avoid use of the word "never" that people who say it often end up returning to the thing they mean to avoid. What I came to understand is that it (the word never) blinds someone to the thing to which it refers in its use. Mark 11:24 in the Bible helps in a similar way... instead of quitting, just cut down.

[@wonnewils1631]

Can you post a bibliography?

[@wonnewils1631]

great video

[@inlieuofsense9521]

Maybe ive never actually read foucault without a little deleuze in my ear. I thought the concrete development of subjectivation was allready just foucualt - especially considering his writing on the constitution of gay communities in california

[@inlieuofsense9521]

tho of course he want talking about folding

[@vitorboldrini6337]

2:45 Something weird about the book he’s reading 🤔

[@Nijith45]

Super vidéo, avec une interprétation que je ne connaissais pas 🥳

[@deleuzephilosophy]

Merci beaucoup, content que la vidéo te plaise :)

[@auashe]

GOOD SHIT

[@magrayfayaz1478]

Great

[@georgesquemener2483]

It seems to me that the work of and with Pierre Bourdieu at college de france could have influenced Michel Foucault in his "impasse" about knowledge and power. That's just a personal view and sentiment that I couldn't prove but it seems logical to me

[@TatoDobbien]

amo a este gil delulu

[@icarus3452]

2:44 lol

[@CarnaubaWax_88]

These guys pushed human progress back centuries and no one noticed…

[@colintmcneill]

care to elaborate?

[@Zarqaa_]

Queer Theory owes them a lot and that’s a problem

[@Thereallenin76]

Deleuze probably found out about Foucault's predilection for young boys.

[@ChannelSettingsTvcode]

There is no evidence of that.

[@justinmcclure6767]

@@ChannelSettingsTvcode did he not sign a petition to change the age of consent to 12?

[@teddyandrose]

there is indeed no evidence for that and we must not forget it was not Foucault but Deleuze who was one of the academics that signed Gabriel Matzneff's petition on legal age for consent. Matzneff was sexually abusing minors at that time.