Chipper Jones on Braves offseason, Soto vs. Ohtani, Barry Bonds | Foul Territory

[@culturalhouse2643]

Chipper talking real. Generational is Ohtani. Soto is an elite hitter and that’s about it. Soto is not generational. Thank you chip for talking real.

[@JacquelineLynch-p2l]

Ohtani is once in forever..

[@Mamss_]

Soto is a objectively a better hitter statistically. And he hasn’t even reached his prime yet

[@ZZSmithReal]

Major portion of copium. Lol

[@advmuse]

Soto is a generational “hitter” ohtani is a generational player “ but take Soto all day long

[@superfactorial5717]

ok we dont have to downplay Soto like that to prop up Shohei the thing i hate the most in these Soto contract discussions is when they downplay Soto and just straight up lying. I think everyone understands and agrees that this is an overpay, a massive one even you can argue, but you gotta do what you gotta do if you really want to land the top free agent in the market. Shohei is Shohei. Possibly the greatest player we will ever see, and possibly on of the greatest contract ever if we are being honest. But that doesn't mean Soto is somehow an average player just because he got paid bigtime. I always facepalm whenever i see people commenting like "yeah Soto is just a good hitter, he cant even defend well". People love to oversimplify things man

[@TheGoldenGreek21]

Switch hitter, hard worker, high IQ, laid back, fully honest - Chipper is the best. Needs to be a full-time broadcaster!

[@SayerofThings]

Chipper never went more than 13 abs without a hit. Amazing

[@bayoustate9481]

Unbelievable! Everybody has many bad days at work. He rarely did

[@VGMobster]

The legend Chipper Jones! One of my all time favs in #bravescountry

[@A1Frizz]

I moved from LA to Atlanta in 99, so glad I got to watch Chipper play. My favorite Brave player.

[@PhilPhan]

Chipper speaking the truth

[@Jeschitown]

One of my all time favorite players... Chipper!!

[@bayoustate9481]

Same here brother. Maddux was the professor on the mound, and Chipper was in the batter's box. Baseball is in his DNA. And he should've won a gold glove. So many great memories watching him on the ball field

[@prestonc113]

@@bayoustate9481how did he hit win a gold glove cheez many good 3bs at the time

[@caseyfenscke5895]

So mad I missed this live. Chipper in the man. I completely agree with chip

[@jerrelleverett1284]

as a braves fan, i love chipper!

[@rockyhamilton1023]

Grew up a Braves fan and die hard to this very day. Chipper was our Ronald Acuña Jr growing up. I only wish he would get more involved with the Braves organization like be a hitting coach but I understand the man just wants to be Dad these days.

[@markbailly8627]

Always loved Chipper as a player.

[@EngineeredTheMind]

I love how active Chipper is on twitter and opinionated. Amazing growing up watching him play

[@daitran5745]

soto ..there will alway be someone to replace soto production or even better than soto production..but shohei..it be hard for a long long long time for anyone can replace shohei production....elite bat and elite pitching..there has not been any to match shohei..that what generational play meant..ask yourself this question..who in the MLB doing what shohei is doing? Who in the MLB doing what soto is doing? I can name many player doing what soto is doing..but i can't name one player doing what shohei is doing in the MLB..enough say

[@davidgoodman4208]

Juan Soto has the 3rd best career on base percentage out of anybody whose played since WWII. (Behind Ted Williams and Barry Bonds). Getting on-base is just extremely valuable. And again, he's the 3rd best guy at doing it over the last 75 years

[@ScottyBraun-FoulTerritory]

Chipper! Good stuff from him on Alex A.

[@joeyp3855]

I am from Jacksonville and want to give Chipper a shout out.

[@S408J]

Chiiippahhhhhh Chippahh Jonessssssss my personal favorite ATF, right there!!!!😊

[@mikechan2942]

jones would have owned soto with his stats if playing in the same era

[@qull3840]

Even if you don't factor in this 50-50 season, by being an elite (top 5) pitcher and hitter alone already made Ohtani generational. Last time we saw this caliber of player was Babe Ruth, and that's almost 100 years ago. If one century isn't a generation, then what is.

[@boomshakalaka8567]

This is something people ignore. Ohtani finished 4th in Cy Young voting in 2022 and had he done that in the NL this year he would've beat out Chris Sale for the Cy Young.

[@HaiderAli-mk9ps]

The 🐐

[@gabrielv.2647]

Finally a real one! Speaking facts! Generation talent. yeah generational alright, first 26 year old player who hasn't hit his prime yet and is already in decline in every other tool other then hitting or hitting for power, he is generational alright, most players are in decline past 30' mid 30's not mid 20's like Soto. Crazy and scary.

[@LL-tc1re]

If this is true, then I wonder if his age (that ppl talk about) could be older than he says and therefore explain any decline in stats. Time will tell.

[@gabrielv.2647]

@LL-tc1re according to baseball America, and most MLB sovouts/scouting reports, Soto avg speed, avg glove, avg range, avg arm, elite hitter, elite power bat, elite eye at the plate, elite discipline, can work the counts, give him that. Give me Tucker or a Othani, or an Acuna, or a Judge or a Betts over Soto. All those I just mentioned are way better players both defensivly and offensively then Soto Othani he can pitch thoough so he is in his own category, for 800 million dollars? No thank you. Give me 800 million and I'm spreading it around, that's like 3-4 all star for that price. I wouldn't have given Soto no more then 550-maybe 600. No thank you

[@melvinhidalgo1]

You say Soto is declining? 🤣🤣

[@gabrielv.2647]

@melvinhidalgo1 since you have no clue offensivy no, everything else yes. Us to be a 5 tool player. Had a cannon for an arm, was faster, great glove, had range. Not anymore. That's what the numbers show, you just look at his offensive numbers lol. I look at the whole body of work. You gotta play the field not just hit. He is only 26 hasn't entered his prime yet and is declining. Look at his defensive stats all of em not just cherry pick to make your point. Not counting 2023 and 2024 because those where bounce back defense, especially the 2024 season. But it's Yankee stadium, less room to cover ground, make throws to each bag and etc especially in right field with that short porch.

[@LL-tc1re]

@@gabrielv.2647 Agreed, those other players you named are better. I suspect Soto wasn’t giving it his all on his defense and running as to avoid injury on contract year or he wouldnt have gotten such a great contract. A few balls I thought he should have made a play, or closer to it, in the world series, but it’s just me giving benefit of the doubt. Don’t remember him trying many diving catch or sliding catch, but didn’t watch a lot of his games. I do remember his forearm was bothering him for a bit, and he may have also slid into the left field wall chasing a ball whoch may have scared him. Now that he has a guaranteed long term contract, let’s see if he improves and gives 100% effort on everything. An article out there during his pre-MLB career did mention from his previous coach that he had other players have more tools than Soto, but Soto’s hitting was better, so maybe he is “just” an elite hitter.

[@gabriele9455]

One of the best switch-hitting Utilityman!

[@thegoldengatesound]

as a fan, chipper’s so damn good and fun to watch. as a Phillies fan, I hate him!

[@annunakian8054]

Fun fact: Chipper & Degrom were both born in DeLand FL.

[@TheSonofabiscuit]

Riley Green, Ryan Mountcastle, Vaughn Grissom, and Zach Eflin went to the same high school in Oviedo, Florida. 25 minutes south of Deland. Francisco Lindor grew up and played in the Apopka area, maybe 35 minutes from Deland lol

[@annunakian8054]

@TheSonofabiscuit CA was heavily represented in the 24 WS. Must be something to do with the nice weather year-round.

[@TheSonofabiscuit]

@annunakian8054 it definitely helps, ha. I forgot to mention Lake Mary, Fl is basically in the middle of Deland and Oviedo. They just won the Little League World Series lol

[@kyleOWillFixIt]

So was I.

[@jbjab99]

Chipper is correct. Soto is good but very overhyped. The Mets are dumb signing him for 15 years. They will get 6 good years if lucky. Boras robbed another team.

[@mikechan2942]

soto is just a great hitter hitting the jackpot at the right time when cohen has too much money to throw

[@BillWhitlingham]

It's nice to see the Mets real owner on the pod

[@ScottyBraun-FoulTerritory]

lol

[@bostrickland05-hu4xl]

I like to see a 3 way player in mlb pitch hit catch

[@johndeltoro9849]

Soto just went for the highest bidder. Ohtani was looking for a team to win and he won on the first year without even pitching. Ohtani sign on 700 but most of that is deffered money so its acrually lees than 500 on today money. So Ohtani is 265 millions cheaper than Soto which is outrageous.

[@marcosc7375]

Soto is a great hitter. Best hitter in years. That being said…as far as what he was going to be played he go the perfect storm right behind him to get him the best deal. He had judge hitting after him where he saw many pitches to hit. Or else with any other hitter in 2024, Soto would not have had those numbers. But again Soto took advantage of the situation.

[@brdnl3]

He really is just today’s version of Edgar Martinez .. he really should just be DH , his defense is average at best .. I love it when a player plays his whole career with a single team, we need more loyalty from player and management side

[@trenitty81]

I said this and was told I was crazy. I said the Yankees shouldn’t have offered more than $600 million and that’s being generous

[@362chop]

Chipper speaks the truth. Generational Soto, NOT.

[@thetruth8988]

Telling a first ballot HOF player that he is wrong on anything related to hitting is outrageous

[@Guajiro-b2k]

Their first 6 years at the plate have been nearly identical. Soto has a few more hits and RBIs. Ohtani has a few more HRs. They're definitely not separated by "lightyears" at the plate, if they're separated at all.

[@Dacaolition]

RBIs are a pretty pointless number to reference and compare, Ohtani spent 6 years on a team that was never above .500, Soto bounced around playoff contending teams for most of his career thus far.

[@Guajiro-b2k]

@@Dacaolition *Half of his career. The Nats were absolute trash for 3 of those years. As bad as the Angels or worse. Point is the difference is exaggerated as far as hitting goes. They're both mid 280 hitters that are on track to otherwise have, apropos, 'round about Chipper Jones numbers if not a bit more.

[@ineffable1152]

Generational is the word here. Yeah sotto can hit but ohtani does too. Oh wait he had pitching as well and hes good at it. So you will understand it now right? If you dont then idk. Lol😂

[@mirikaku5811]

Pretty much the same..😂 Ohtani is a 2-way player who are filling the stats criteria of a specialist players on their exclusive terms! If world really was fair they would have to convert what is elite based on 2-way player ability. THAT is how light years a head Ohtani is and a unicorn. 🦄

[@Guajiro-b2k]

@@ineffable1152 It's funny because it's always the laugher that doesn't get it. You don't understand at all. The comments that Chipper made were about hitting specifically.

[@CHOCOLEETANG08]

Even he is young than ohatani i will choose ohtani ohtani than soto. Lets see if he can pass the ohtani 50/50 in his career entire career 15 years in mets Or win Ws

[@MulliganWallen]

1 question who is frenchy

[@dylantran2591]

There's only one Ohtani and he's generational/lifetime type. Soto is not consistent enough to be generational plus he walks too much. If he's generational, then just offensively.

[@melvinhidalgo1]

Juan Soto Not Consistent? 🤣🤣

[@dylantran2591]

Had an off year last season. He sucked in SD

[@tarasitismindaugas4561]

@@dylantran2591that’s because he didn’t get along with Machado.

[@robertlulek1634]

I agree with what you say. But I do not agree that he even is a generational hitter. He's a very good hitter. Back in the day with players like Bernie Williams, who had very high batting average seasons, Dave Winfield. Derek Jeter even has a lifetime 314 batting average. Juan Soto has only hit 300 twice in his LIFE. He has it over 40 home runs just once. This year with the Mets expect about 278 to 285 with 29 to 34 home runs that's it. That's the kind of player he is he's not hitting at Yankee Stadium anymore.

[@bostrickland05-hu4xl]

Chipper can DH for Braves

[@DallasTechie]

Debating Ohtani vs Soto smh. No contest. One is a multi-talented player that does everything at an elite level and the other does one thing well.

[@jamesgomez753]

How the hell did Kratz hang on to the ball?

[@Mamss_]

It’s not about who signed first it’s that Soto signed 4 years younger and hasn’t had injury history.

[@boomshakalaka8567]

That's not really why. It's that Ohtani capped his salary. He didn't try to get as much as he could. If he wanted to maximize his salary, he wouldn't have said HELL NO to NYC and just used them as leverage to drive up the price.

[@pochen23]

Chipper low key looks like Matt Damon.

[@anthonybrown3606]

I’m so tired of people shitting on the best hitter in the game because he got paid more than any of us ever will. Including all these guys sitting on the pod wishing they could be nearly as good as Soto.

[@dutchessantana6958]

That’s like wilt chamberlain n Russel winning n breaking all the stats 😂😂😂😂 with no competition all around

[@bostrickland05-hu4xl]

Atlanta Braves need a 2 way player I think 🤔

[@blairmcbride5437]

In no way is a career .288 hitter a generational hitter.

[@RichBizaillion]

really! The juicer!!!!

[@LaNeta-juey]

Soto won the lottery, to be honest he is not worth not much. Ohtani is a great batter and pitcher, 2 for the price of 1. Dodgers got a great deal.

[@davidtrujillo1648]

💯 Juan Soto is not that special especially when you put his defense in to the mix.

[@Joe-j1f]

Just so you guys understand, Soto has a better career batting average on base percentage and OPS than Ohtani! Ohtani only had 100 RBIs in his career one time outside of last year so now twice in his career, he’s only had 100 RBIs or more! Soto is 26 just it hasn’t played baseball being 26. He’s not even in his prime yet. He’s only gonna get better… When Ohtani was 26 he hit 254!

[@ralphgarcia913]

Soto is an excellent player but no way he's going to hit .344 lifetime or hit 400 a season like Ted Williams

[@NGLaw56]

Pitchers weren’t throwing 99+ to Ted Williams. That’s why Bonds had the best control of the strike zone and had a lifetime BA of .298

[@rayonensb]

@@NGLaw56not all pitchers throws 100 lol

[@NGLaw56]

@ just look at avg pitch speeds annually. On avg, pitchers throw much harder today. There’s way more talent today than ever before.

[@tarasitismindaugas4561]

You guys don’t know the real value of Soto! He is clearly better than Ohtani.

[@rayonensb]

@@tarasitismindaugas4561 hell no 😂 he might be a better patient hitter tho

[@robertlulek1634]

Soto is a great hitter and that's it. He is not a five tool player. He has some audacity to get more money than OHTANI. He has only hit 40 home runs plus once in his career. I guarantee you, he will not hit 40 home runs at city field! He made the biggest mistake of his life! He's only batted 300 twice in his career as well. Mike Tyson reached his peak at age 19 to 22 so is 26 going on 27. He's not gonna have any more of an upside he is what he is and he's not worth that kind of money.

[@dan_c_418]

On Dodgers foo!💙❗️❗️❗️

[@JDH727]

I’d put Ken Griffey Jr at the top

[@johnnyhernandez3703]

But everything was cheaper back in chipper jones time

[@Nomowu]

if Soto is so good, teams are going to start walking him. Instead he is getting the walk on his own. he isn’t fast, so it doesn’t impact as much being on the base. It’s like Shaq putting himself on the free throw. Walk is great but for that amount of money, he should be the one swinging the bat.

[@boomshakalaka8567]

Ohtani's not generational either. Nobody in any generation has seen a player like this and will never see a player like this again. He's in his own category.

[@gvblack5303]

Said that about Babe Ruth

[@Kingflowh]

Have Chipper seen the stats Soto has before reaching after 26. Man is top 5 in almost all categories when it comes to hitting. That's what makes him generational. Also is a sign of how available he always is, while many other players get hurt which hurts their career stats.

[@mirikaku5811]

Have YOU seen the stats of Mike Trout in the same equivalent time? Sotos 36 WAR against Mikes 64 WAR. MIKE BLOWS PAST SOTO IN ALL STATS. We won’t even mention the defense… Mike Trout is still an active player!! Cabrera, Pujols, A-Rod, Bonds…god, the list goes on and on of guys who hit better for their first six years of their career. How do you know, Soto won’t get hurt in next two years like Mike?? Still Soto has way long to go before he reaches Mike Trouts numbers in same 19 - 26 years old span, even if he played to 30.

[@JacquelineLynch-p2l]

Atlanta isnt a major market? give me a break.

[@boomshakalaka8567]

If Atlanta is a major market then what is NYC and LA? They're not in the same tier.

[@JacquelineLynch-p2l]

@@boomshakalaka8567 Atl is one of the Major US cities and distribution hubs.. Definitely one of the next biggest in MLB behind Chicago.. definitely not as far as the "entertainment" industries that mainly run out of NYC & LA but it is one of the Larger Markets.

[@freshoffthelot5047]

Fire AJ

[@samvalle6187]

He's a better hitter than the chipped tooth could ever dream of being!!!

[@BillWhitlingham]

Found the guy that knows zero about baseball. He's the best switch hitter of all-time. Soto isn't even better than that one guy that came into the league at about the same time and that dude has blown out both acls

[@prestonc113]

@@BillWhitlinghamthrowing the generational thing way to much

[@bullsnyyfan4442]

Few guys can control an at-bat like Soto. Soto’s hitting skills are elite and when your career draws comparisons to Ted Williams, you are a generational talent

[@rayonensb]

Nah he's a great hitter no dought but that's about it

[@tpak819]

Was Tony Gwynn a generational talent? Pujols? A-Rod? Judge? Point being ...the word generational is replacing "great". Soto is great ...he is no way generational. He may not even be the best hitter in his "generation"

[@slundgr]

Soto is no Williams. You can look it up. Williams lost five prime years to military service during WWII and Korea.

[@mirikaku5811]

@@tpak819don’t forget Mike Trout!! Their first 6 years Soto has 36WAR to Mike Trouts 64WAR and all the offensive stats, Mike blows past Soto!! (We don’t even want to go Defensive stats😂) Mike May been injured lately, he is still an active player.

[@mikechan2942]

why is he only hitting 0.28 if he is that elite?

[@沈吉南-j6e]

請不要拿索托跟大谷比較因為他還沒有那麼值大多數美國以外國家的人會為了大谷去看MLB比賽如此而已

[@kevinbennett244]

Ohtani and Soto both started playing in 2018... Ohtani's career fgWAR (including pitching) = 40.3 Soto's career fgWAR (including poor defense and base running) = 36.3 Is Ohtani the more generationally gifted player? Absolutely, but he's only pitched more than 52 innings 3 times in 7 seasons and he's 3 years older. In terms of accumulative value over there playing careers, they're actually very close.

[@jeremiahraggie464]

Don't you have a hooters to visit?

[@mmichael1221]

First Smoltz now Chipper can we get one guy who isn’t a generational Mets hater to give their take on this signing

[@tootspogsforever5590]

Coz Soto is really overrated?!!😀😃

[@advmuse]

Fun fact Soto is a better hitter in his first 7 seasons than jones first 7 seasons 💀

[@roberturibe3150]

The steroids were the distinguisher

[@josephariola8583]

Good hitter, crap fielder. Happy the Yankees didn’t spend a ridiculous amount of money to get him. The Mets will eventually pay a heavy price of mediocrity for years because of this deal. They have already forfeited their first round 2025 pick because of exceeding the second tier of the salary cap.

[@SJ25PB]

Larry is a generational hater here. Soto has played 5 games as a 26 year old thanks to the Yankees making the WS. He has 934 hits, 201 HR and 769 walks with less K's than walks. 300th all-time in BB before playing as a 26 year old and had a COVID shortened season. Both Soto and Ohtani came in the league the same year and Soto has a higher BA, OBP and OPS. Ohtani is a better overall player but not hitter when one guy was has better numbers 19 years old to 25 and the other 23 to 30. Then Soto has kept his numbers in the playoffs with a.927 OPS and Ohtani hasn't in his lone playoff run with a .767 OPS

[@safinhussain6665]

The 2 hank Aaron awards speak otherwise

[@SJ25PB]

@@safinhussain6665 Christian Yelich has two of those and he's doesn't even have a lifetime .850 OPS. Same with Jose Bautista who is also a sub .250 lifetime hitter.

[@safinhussain6665]

@@SJ25PB shohei ohtani as a hitter speaking only as a hitter is thousand times better we haven’t even seen his full potential in hitting because all these seasons he was doing double duty except 2019

[@boomshakalaka8567]

Yeah, let's ignore the fact that Ohtani spent half his time with the Angels injured or rehabbing from injury. Compare their last 4 seasons. I'll wait.

[@SJ25PB]

@@boomshakalaka8567 All these excuses for Ohtani when Soto just turned 26. In the last 4 years Ontani has a slightly higher OPS while Soto was stuck half the time in SD pitchers park and once again playing at a young age.

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

The usual downplaying of Latino players. Remember when Arod wasn't worth 250mil?

[@LL-tc1re]

He didn’t mean it in a bad way. Just meaning Soto is a really great hitter and will be in HoF one day if he keeps it up, but we have and will see some other really great hitters in our lifetime (generation). We just won’t see another Ohtani or Bonds again. Chipper was a great hitter and HoF, but also not generational.

[@BillWhitlingham]

Cry

[@boomshakalaka8567]

Wild take considering most of MLB is Latino

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

@boomshakalaka8567 and they constantly get downplayed

[@dutchessantana6958]

Ted Williams played baseball in the early 1900 is that even real stats 😂😂😂😂 they had plumbers n school teachers pitching in baseball let’s be for real nobody ever threw 100 or 105 by those times I could never put a player as the best hitter with no footage no competition I seen the old school people stats they out of this world 😂😂😂😂 will never happen in today pitching is way better this ain’t basketball

[@ZZSmithReal]

Chipper is just mad the Mets are going to start crushing the Braves. Cope.

[@elogotya9237]

soto is a more clutch hitter then ohtani, ohtani is the goat though, alot like comparing lebron and jordan, lebron is the goat but jordan is a better scorer and more clutch

[@Dacaolition]

Weird take, Ohtani with RISP is historically one of the best sluggers of all time, something like .590 SLG

[@tootspogsforever5590]

"LeBron is the goat"??? Are you mental?!!😀😃😄

[@elogotya9237]

where was ohtani in the world series vegas?

[@Mamss_]

Soto is objectively a better hitter than Ohtani.

[@safinhussain6665]

Ohtani is thousand times better hitter ohtani has 2 hank Aaron awards Soto has none ohtani has 6-6 game 50-50 season Soto nothing

[@VirgilFisher-y8q]

No He's not, Ohtani just proved what He's capable of just sticking to hitting, the only thing Soto has on Ohtani is He's a few years younger.

[@belikearu]

'Objectively better hitter than Ohtani' 😅 By now, It's on the board what a pure hitter Ohtani can literally do and you have the audacity to using the word 'objectively' 😅 Higher average, ops, rbis, slugging and hr not to mention one of the most terrifying hitter with risp 😅 Literally more WAR than Soto as a DH 😅 lol